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Please suggest some foreign coaches because I'm fed up with misbah as he is a defensive guy

1. Mike Hesson
2. Gary Kirsten
3. Andy Flower
4. Duncan Fletcher
5. Shane Bond (bowling coach)

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Other than Duncan Flecher who hasnt been much recent success rest are good names. Maybe add Travis Baylis to the list.
 
Andy Flower. He’s the guy who revolutionized England’s setup with DATA!
 
How shameless is this misbah as cricket comitte head he axed mickey Arthur and himself became coach and chief selector.


This guy told bowlers in England test to bowl line and length and he tells Batsman to play defensive if anyone gets out playing a shot he gets angry and starts yelling at them like he did with sharjeel is Islamabad united once told him why you played slog sweep.
 
A complete lack of identity on the team. Nothing to write about.

Can’t bat
Can’t bowl
Can’t field
 
Head Coach - Andy Flower
Bowling Coach - Shoaib Akhtar
Batting Coach - Shahid Afridi

And a personal fielding coach for Haidar Ali.

Team mentor - Sir Viv.
 
Bring in whoever you want. It won’t make any difference.
 
We've seen what misbah can do not only as a coach, but as a selector as well.

Basically, he needs to be completely removed from the setup for any future success.
 
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Head Coach: Andy Flower
Bowling Coach: Ian Pont
Batting Coach: Younis Khan
Chief Selector: Mohammad Wasim

Data Analyst: Freddie Wilde / Nathan Leamon / Patrick Noone

This is a professional setup.
 
U19 and Shaheens:
Head Coach: Gio Collussi / Gary Palmer
Bowling Coach: Shoaib Akhtar
 
Thunderbolt14 said:
Head Coach: Andy Flower
Bowling Coach: Ian Pont
Batting Coach: Younis Khan
Chief Selector: Mohammad Wasim

Data Analyst: Freddie Wilde / Nathan Leamon / Patrick Noone

This is a professional setup.
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Decent one, will probably bring in a foreign batting coach for now as well while Younus can work for one of the regions in the mean time. Who is gonna set it up though? :ssmith
 
Doesn't need to be a foreign coach, just needs to be someone with experience. I've always thought we've never really groomed home coaches properly. Usually in Pakistan, Pakistan coaches are just ex-players who were good. I don't think we care how good an actual coach they are, just how good a player they were. A home coach is going to have a massive advantage communicating with the team and using Pakistani domestic cricket circuit, which are challenges a foreign coach is going to face and has in the past.

I will take any experienced coach. Gary Kirsten stands out as he's had success with both outside and inside Asia. But I don't see him joining us. Only reason Mickey joined us really because he was out of favour after previous coaching stints.

I wouldn't mind a coach who has shown good success at domestic level for years/decades with no international coaching experience yet. But he'd have to have experience on asian pitches, so would probably have to be an Asian coach.
 
gazza619 said:
Disaster in making. Afridi & Akhtar should be kept away.
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Agree. Neither one has shown the slightest ability to plan, think logically or manage professional relationships in a positive & consistent manner... So that's a no from me too.

Not sure Andy Flower would suit Pakistan. He's a good coach though.

Head Coach: A. Flower or J. Gillespie


Assistant coaches
Bowling: Yasir Arafat. He seems a talented coach. The "legends only" approach doesn't always work. He's got 800 FC wickets & played with FC/Franchise teams in every continent you could think of.
Be worth seeing what he could do with the short format power-hitting too, given his recent courses.

The rest should really be up to the head coach to choose. They'll have guys they trust or who they know could make the most of an opportunity. My only reservation on YK continuing as batting coach is what does he know about T20 power hitting?
 
wrongun said:
Agree. Neither one has shown the slightest ability to plan, think logically or manage professional relationships in a positive & consistent manner... So that's a no from me too.

Not sure Andy Flower would suit Pakistan. He's a good coach though.

Head Coach: A. Flower or J. Gillespie


Assistant coaches
Bowling: Yasir Arafat. He seems a talented coach. The "legends only" approach doesn't always work. He's got 800 FC wickets & played with FC/Franchise teams in every continent you could think of.
Be worth seeing what he could do with the short format power-hitting too, given his recent courses.

The rest should really be up to the head coach to choose. They'll have guys they trust or who they know could make the most of an opportunity. My only reservation on YK continuing as batting coach is what does he know about T20 power hitting?
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Younis Khan never should have been made batting coach. Virtually no experience. Couldn't work out how to successfully bat in LOI as a player. And worst of all, problems with his behaviour both around the squad and off the pitch and in the media. Makes me feel a little sick he's coach tbh. Was a great test player no doubt, but there is literally nothing going for him for batting coach in limited overs. Really just seems a case of hiring your friends.
 
I would like to see Stephen Fleming as coach. I know its unlikely he will leave his cushy, high-paying IPL job, or that the PCB will bother asking him but he could be a good choice as coach.
 
Any foreign coach. Most of our ex cricketers are brainless individuals.

Ideally Andy Flower. Can't believe we picked Misbah over AF!:jordan
 
Andy Flower would be a brilliant appointment. But a new coalition isn't taking this set of players to the top of the rankings in tests and ODIs.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
I would like to see Stephen Fleming as coach. I know its unlikely he will leave his cushy, high-paying IPL job, or that the PCB will bother asking him but he could be a good choice as coach.
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Someone suggested Jason Gillespie. I think he would be great and this is someone who I recon we can sign under Wasim Khan’s tenure.
 
Bring Mickey Arthur back
Arthur and M.Wasim would be ideal together
They both back young players
 
Pakistan does not need any coaches, they're all Bradman's and Viv Richards and Wasim and Waqar and what not already.
 
Is Trevor Bayliss available? Let's get him, World Cup winning coach and led the transformation of England to WC flops to WC champs.
 
ahmadharis1 said:
Is Trevor Bayliss available? Let's get him, World Cup winning coach and led the transformation of England to WC flops to WC champs.
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England had the players in the system to be able to transform. All they needed was a change in approach, and they hit the ground running and posted 400+ in their first series after the World Cup.

What do we have? Nothing. Just a collection of mentally weak, mediocre cricketers hyped to the moon by desperate fans.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
I would like to see Stephen Fleming as coach. I know its unlikely he will leave his cushy, high-paying IPL job, or that the PCB will bother asking him but he could be a good choice as coach.
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Fleming is a great coach and it is not surprising because he was also a great captain. If India decides to take the foreign route after Shastri, Fleming is likely to be at the top of BCCI’s list.

He will never accept an offer from PCB because IPL is better and because there is a possibility that he might coach India in the future.
 
People assume coaches can work miracles straight away. It doesn't work like that.

It takes years for players to develop and come through the system.
 
I really like Stephen Fleming. I also fear India will nab him.

I also admire jason gillespie a lot. He's been excellent in all his coaching jobs so far.
 
Rana said:
Someone suggested Jason Gillespie. I think he would be great and this is someone who I recon we can sign under Wasim Khan’s tenure.
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I don't know about Gillespie. I think we could do better.
 
Mamoon said:
Fleming is a great coach and it is not surprising because he was also a great captain. If India decides to take the foreign route after Shastri, Fleming is likely to be at the top of BCCI’s list.

He will never accept an offer from PCB because IPL is better and because there is a possibility that he might coach India in the future.
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I was always impressed by his captaincy. The New Zealand under him was a mediocre side but they always punched above their weight.

Obviously it won't happen but it would be great if it ever did. Also, I'm not sure if India will hire him. India seems to be pursuing a policy of grooming their own coaches. And I think the next head-coach of India will be an Indian too. I could be wrong but makes sense for India to give this job to an Indian coach. It fits in with their broader plan of making the Indian cricket system on-par with that of England, Australia.
 
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RedwoodOriginal said:
I don't know about Gillespie. I think we could do better.
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Gillespie has been rated pretty highly in county cricket. Did a great job with Yorkshire and now doing decently with sussex. Yorkshire got promoted from 2nd div to first one and I guess in the third year under him they won the country championship and another one the next year. If I am not wrong he had a huge role in Liam Plunkett's resurgence in Eng setup, developed the game of Archer, Ollie Robinson and recently Reece Topeley further since joining Sussex in 2018 along with quite a few other development success stories.
 
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I would try to get Tom Moody as Head Coach, and Allan Donald or Shane Bond as Bowling coach.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
I don't know about Gillespie. I think we could do better.
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He's basically relevant as a talented young coach who would be looking for an international opportunity at the highest levels.

I don't think Fleming or Bayliss are probable given the pay grade & cushy life they could enjoy elsewhere.
 
I would be willing to engage Gillespie as a bowling coach (the other option being Ian Pont). As far as head coach goes, we need someone who believes in data (not that Gillespie doesn’t, but I would prefer someone like Andy Flower) and also has an eye for batting, since that’s the real place our team lacks.
 
The opening post has listed people that mostly would have no interest in working for the PCB.

Flower might be interested at some point in the future, but others have IPL etc contracts and wouldn't want to lose those deals.
 
Rana said:
A complete lack of identity on the team. Nothing to write about.

Can’t bat
Can’t bowl
Can’t field
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As a coach do you feel you can teach our lads the tips and tricks on becoming better cricketers?
 
Shazzam said:
As a coach do you feel you can teach our lads the tips and tricks on becoming better cricketers?
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Are you asking me or in general?

I think that is the job of a coach otherwise they should not have one if all that matters is squad selection and final XI selection. The purpose of hiring a coach is to keep the side organised and prepared for all kinds of tests.

England were severely lacking as a white ball team, they desperately needed the guidance from which they can utilise their current resources and become that world beater white ball team. They therefore identified a coach (Trevor Bayliss) who they thought would be the man who will teach those players on how to approach this game with the mentality required to be competitive with teams like South Africa, India, New Zealand and Australia.

In the past we have had coaches like Bob Woolmer who have been able to identify the key things that a player requires to perform at the best of their ability.
 
Andy Flower. Might too intense for this lot though, watch The Edge to see what I'm talking about.
 
Stephen Fleming's stint with CSK has gone a bit stale, I won't be shocked if he is interested to challenge himself in international cricket. Maybe Hafeez's recent intriguing golf sessions with him could help convince. The PCB will definitely need to pay top dollar, which would be the obvious sticking point.
 
By the time Misbah retire some of these coaches may not be around to choose. Misbah will not going anywhere in next 2-3 years unless miracle happen.
 
Last Monetarist said:
Stephen Fleming's stint with CSK has gone a bit stale, I won't be shocked if he is interested to challenge himself in international cricket. Maybe Hafeez's recent intriguing golf sessions with him could help convince. The PCB will definitely need to pay top dollar, which would be the obvious sticking point.
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Top dollar for what man? Winning titles for CSK? Lol
 
Ricky Ponting for Batting (he has great insights)
Mohammed Asif for Bowling
Gibbs for fielding

Head Coach: Ponting

Need a dietician so that players have six packs, Tony Horton for strength and conditioning training.
 
Rana said:
Top dollar for what man? Winning titles for CSK? Lol
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Fleming clearly is a process-oriented coach and won't be short of offers. It's not just what he has done in franchise cricket though, but also how he built NZ cricket from the floor after the debacles with Ken Rutherford and Lee Germon in the mid-nineties. If the PCB want to attract someone of his calibre, they'll need to pay market rates and not what they paid Arthur (who was desperate for a job after getting booted out by CA).
 
Ashraful_Rox said:
Ricky Ponting for Batting (he has great insights)
Mohammed Asif for Bowling
Gibbs for fielding

Head Coach: Ponting

Need a dietician so that players have six packs, Tony Horton for strength and conditioning training.
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Ponting has no interest in leaving his media role with Channel 7, and has been on record as stating that international coaching outside of the general mentorship roles with the Australian team are off the table as long as he is a commentator.
 
Head Coach: Paddy Upton/Steve Rhodes/Simon Katich
Batting Coach: Michael Di Venuto/Grant Elliott/Greg Blewett
Bowling Coach: Heath Streak/Kyle Mills/Ben Hilfenhaus
Fielding Coach: Paul Nixon/Chris Hartley/Graham Manou/Darren Berry
Spin Coach: Paul Wiseman/Paul Harris/Saqlain/Mushtaq
 
In my opinion the current coaching staff will do a good job for the test team. Open to discussing specialists for the T20 and ODI teams.
 
The question is rather: which highly qualified foreign coach is willing to work with the PCB?

I think that list would be more relevant.
 
I hate to break it to you, but coaching in cricket is far more basic than any major sport in the world. As someone who has interviewed more than 30 Coaches, I would say that only a handful have impressed me.
 
unemployedgm said:
I hate to break it to you, but coaching in cricket is far more basic than any major sport in the world. As someone who has interviewed more than 30 Coaches, I would say that only a handful have impressed me.
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So it's the same as appointing Mohsin Khan? Just clapping and cheering the boys up while having a cup of tea?
 
There are reports that PCB looking into 2 names for coach Gary Kirsten and Andy flower with Kirsten as favorite.

Who would be better im confused? I think Andy maybe
 
I will have Mickey back please.
Do we remember in CT first after India game he came out to face the music and took the heat for the players. Everything else stayed in the camp.

Today misbah sends out 2 kids to front up.

Unforgivable
 
Abdullah said:
I will have Mickey back please.
Do we remember in CT first after India game he came out to face the music and took the heat for the players. Everything else stayed in the camp.

Today misbah sends out 2 kids to front up.

Unforgivable
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And when Pakistan win he is the first to give interview
 
Whatever people say , I was happy with Mickey and felt like we were on a journey with him. We were not going to turn into world beaters I'm 1 or 2 years
I trusted the process, and he was unlocking a lot of potential in this squad, and gave structure after misyou.
 
I would hire an Australian coach who makes it clear from day one that he won’t put up with mediocre performers - and make them sweat themselves hard in practice and working on fitness. These batsmen should be made to bat in the nets for 5 hours a day , 5-6 days a week if they have to , until they get the forward defensive technique right.

Practice , practice and practice - that’s the only way to perfect.

How can you be so crap day after day after day, and take no pride in representing your national team? It’s beyond me.
 
Andy Flower would be my pick, but I really don’t see top foreign coaches being attracted to the Pakistan job.
 
Abdullah said:
Whatever people say , I was happy with Mickey and felt like we were on a journey with him. We were not going to turn into world beaters I'm 1 or 2 years
I trusted the process, and he was unlocking a lot of potential in this squad, and gave structure after misyou.
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Agree. He had a poor record in some areas but good achievements in others. I too felt that he was let go too soon. Feels even worse that he was pushed out to accomodate Misbah.
 
Abdullah said:
Whatever people say , I was happy with Mickey and felt like we were on a journey with him. We were not going to turn into world beaters I'm 1 or 2 years
I trusted the process, and he was unlocking a lot of potential in this squad, and gave structure after misyou.
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Mickey had intensity and was incredibly articulate in explaining his coaching method. That intensity won us an ICC trophy.
 
b.lesner said:
There are reports that PCB looking into 2 names for coach Gary Kirsten and Andy flower with Kirsten as favorite.

Who would be better im confused? I think Andy maybe
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Both are solid names. I also think Andy has much broader experience at different positions but, at this point of time I would take anyone of them as both have experience and have proven themselves at international stage.
 
Titan24 said:
Both are solid names. I also think Andy has much broader experience at different positions but, at this point of time I would take anyone of them as both have experience and have proven themselves at international stage.
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Forget international experience I want a coach who at least has domestic experience. :danish
 
Titan24 said:
Both are solid names. I also think Andy has much broader experience at different positions but, at this point of time I would take anyone of them as both have experience and have proven themselves at international stage.
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Andy must have got quite a bit of insight about the PCB and Pak ckt from his brother
 
I really can see future :yk

3 of my mentioned coaches were approached and 2 of them rejected Mike heysson because he wanted to coach india and now Gary Kirsten and Andy flower said he will think.

I think John Buchanan needs to come out of old age to coach Pakistan :inzi

In seriousness i think Pakistan need to find Australian international cricketer with level 4 coaching because he will bring Australian fighting spirit into the team.

Is any Australian in early 2000s level 4?
Micheal Bevan or Damien martin?
 
b.lesner said:
I really can see future :yk

3 of my mentioned coaches were approached and 2 of them rejected Mike heysson because he wanted to coach india and now Gary Kirsten and Andy flower said he will think.

I think John Buchanan needs to come out of old age to coach Pakistan :inzi

In seriousness i think Pakistan need to find Australian international cricketer with level 4 coaching because he will bring Australian fighting spirit into the team.

Is any Australian in early 2000s level 4?
Micheal Bevan or Damien martin?
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Is it confirmed that Gary Kirsten has rejected the offer?
 
You almost need a no nonsense old school football manager in charge of the Pakistan cricket team who is aggressive and can put some fear into mediocre performers to make them sweat - maybe Roy Keane ?
 
Thunderbolt14 said:
Head Coach: Andy Flower
Bowling Coach: Ian Pont
Batting Coach: Younis Khan
Chief Selector: Mohammad Wasim

Data Analyst: Freddie Wilde / Nathan Leamon / Patrick Noone

This is a professional setup.
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Ian Pont mostly specializes in T20 from what I know. We should look for a better bowling coach, but if he's experienced, he should come right in.
 
Head Coach: Andy Flower
Bowling Coach: Wasim Khan / Shabby
Fielding Coach: Steve Rixon
Chief Selector: Muhammad Wasim / Inzi
 
Ideal Pakistan Managment System:
Cricket Director: Trevor Bayliss / Andrew Strauss
Head Coach: Ravi Shastri / Chris Sherwood
Assistant Coach: Muhammad Wasim
Bowling Consultant: Trent Woodhill / Wasim Akram
Batting Consultant: Inzi
Fielding Coach: Steve Rixon
Chief Selector: Inzi with a performance team, international option; Andy Flower


Galatico level - just a dream, and im sure one of the names is going to trigger a lot of people :yk
 
Mamoon said:
England had the players in the system to be able to transform. All they needed was a change in approach, and they hit the ground running and posted 400+ in their first series after the World Cup.

What do we have? Nothing. Just a collection of mentally weak, mediocre cricketers hyped to the moon by desperate fans.
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I don't know man when will people understand that the coach is the least of Pakistan's problems. When you have players that have skill levels lesser than the domestic sides of NZ/SA, not even a world class coach can change fortunes. On the flipside, if you have a GOAT team like the Australia of late 90's and 2000s, then even a complete nobody like John Buchanan will look like a champion.

I don't know what this obsession with a foreign coach is. He would come in, take his paycheck and leave Pakistan in the same spot when he came in.
 
They need to change the entire coaching staff.

A head coach is a good start but not enough to create serious change.

It's also time for them to invest in the world's finest data analysts/video coaches. Not just fillers, but actual "cream of the crop" professionals with extensive experience in this side of cricket.
 
We are all dreamers; This is not going to happen as we know PCB

I even highly doubt Andy Flower will come after all the feedback Steve Rixon (not paying him on time) and what PCB did with CT winning coach MA .. Accept it or not , whether it is Fluke or not, Mickey at least have something to show on his resume., and team did not do this bad (it was Inzi's idea to rest key players in Australia and England series and we went on to lose those 8-10 ODIs straight)

PCB deserve services of Misbahs, Waqars, Inti., Iqbal Qasims, Saleem Jaffers, Mohsin Khans, Aquib Javeds, Mushy, etc...
All will come get their paycheck and when sacked find some other roles within PCB

Best thing to do is STOP watching corrupt individuals (not talking about players, but the setup which bring them back and back again) BOYCOTT PCT completely, only then these individuals will learn their lessons. I wasted lot of my time, money to just watch these corrupt individuals show HOW CORRUPT THEY ARE
 
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