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Who should replace Usman Khan Shinwari in Pakistan's ODI and T20I squads?

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It was really unfortunate for Usman Shinwari to get injured again especially when he looked in good rythm. Hopefully he can recover soon.

Meanwhile who you guys think can replace him in the ODI squad of Pakistan and who do you think suitable in T20s?

Few guys which can be acceptable options for ODIs or can be tested in WI T20s are (Some pretty controversial names are here so apologies):

1) Mir Hamza. The guy has been brought up through proper system and has been playing for Pakistan A team for some time now. He is still 25 so good age for a fast bowler. He has good repeatable action and can seam and swing the ball from good length and can generate decent pace. He didnt play much in PSL but the way he bowled against Sangakara and beating his bat on an occasion or two shows a caliber of a bowler. He is already part of the test squad.

2) Amir Yamin even just as a bowler is a good contender. He can swing the new ball both ways and I think his pace has improved a bit recently. Yes he is not the best overs bowler but when you have Amir and Hassan to do the job he can finish his quota earlier.
His power hitting is one of the best in the current lot which is an addition. He is also a good fielder.

3) Sohail Khan. We all now what he is capable of with the new ball and is going as leading wicket taker in QEA trophy and is a handy lower order hitter. He can reverse swing the old ball and is very good at the death overs as well. Yes he does lack a bit on the fielding side.

4) Sadaf Hussain. The guy is at his peak as a fast bowler as he is 27 which is considered the peak age when the the bowler knows his game and his body. Guy definitely knows how to take wickets and with his height and swing he can definitely add another dimension to our bowling attack. I am not sure about how fit he is and how good a fielder he is.

5) Ahmed Bashir. Guy is young and talented and if he is that pacy and nippy many posters here make him out to be than he can definitely add that pace factor in our team.

6) Mohammad Asif. Yes some people might not like his name when we have a lot of other options but the guy still is a beast and he still plays with the minds of the batsmen as he has control over everything he wants to do. He doesnt have much to offer with the bat but he is an ok catcher in the field.

7) Umar Gul. He looks in good rhythm and is hitting good lengths. He is a good fielder and a good lower order hitter. If he is completely fit then he can definitely be a handful.

8) Ehsan Adil. I always find him capable of delivering some match winning spells. Many people wont agree but the way he generates bounce and seams the ball both ways if he is taken under the shadow of Arthur and Azhar with caiptaincy of Sarfaraz many people might be surprised what this guy can achieve.

Many more are there, these are just to name a few. Shaheen Shah and other few young bowlers like him were not considered by me above as I believe they should play some more matches including PSL to get promoted to national team but, you guys can name anyone you believe is good enough.
 
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Similar, I think Aamir Yamin, Shaheen Shah Afridi, as well as Yasir Jan could be good options. Honestly, Mohammad Asif is 35 now, he doesn't have much longevity left to survive till 2019 world cup, plus we have too many seniors in the team. So definitely not a long term option. Same goes for Sohail, as he's 33 now, and even Hasan Ali is able to hit a few powerful shots as a lower order batsman. PCB needs to invest in younger bowlers so they can prove themselves to be assets to the team and allow their careers to blossom.
 
Similar, I think Aamir Yamin, Shaheen Shah Afridi, as well as Yasir Jan could be good options. Honestly, Mohammad Asif is 35 now, he doesn't have much longevity left to survive till 2019 world cup, plus we have too many seniors in the team. So definitely not a long term option. Same goes for Sohail, as he's 33 now, and even Hasan Ali is able to hit a few powerful shots as a lower order batsman. PCB needs to invest in younger bowlers so they can prove themselves to be assets to the team and allow their careers to blossom.

Yasir Jan hasnt played any first class cricket yet and his use can only be if ICC alters the rule of telling the umpire which arm a bowler is going to bowl with.

Asif or Sohail, I have considered both for just the world cup 2019 and I guess both can easily last by then.
 
Sadaf and Ehtesham in odis. I know one is not liked by majority here due to his pace and the other hasn't played highest level domestic cricket but I think these 2 will do good.
 
Hopefully a pacer under 23 who can hit the deck. Preferably a right arm seamer. Should complete our attack nicely.
 
Isn’t NZ tour in Jan? That is two months away.

In this time we will see some of the young ones play in BPL, Shaheen Afridi is soembody to watch out for. BPL and then PSL will tell us where he stands....

We have to wait, there is no need to name anybody yet. I want to see a fast bowler, not a medium pacer or 35+ bowlers, let’s not bring back Misbah’s Era :acp:
 
In my opinion, Ehsan Adil. Apart from Hasan we dont have any other right arm pacer in squad. He has the right attributes and under Mickey Arthur and especially Azhar Mehmood I can see see him delivering to his maximum potential.

People mentioning Shaheen Afridi, Sameen Gul or even Yasir Jan its just absurd considering others have been toiling in domestic circuit for years while they have played less than one season of first class cricket.
 
In my opinion, Ehsan Adil. Apart from Hasan we dont have any other right arm pacer in squad. He has the right attributes and under Mickey Arthur and especially Azhar Mehmood I can see see him delivering to his maximum potential.

People mentioning Shaheen Afridi, Sameen Gul or even Yasir Jan its just absurd considering others have been toiling in domestic circuit for years while they have played less than one season of first class cricket.
I think MA will be forced to sit out Imad for Fahim in NZ. So the pace attack would be Hasan, Amir, Junaid, and Fahim along with spin from Shadab. That's still not a bad attack especially in conditions like NZ. Hopefully the PSL will give us an answer for the 2nd backup bowler ( Raees being first ). The reason people are saying SSA is because he is 6ft 6, can swing the ball, and bowls at least 80mph. That's not a terrible option to have especially in NZ where even a little bit of pace and bounce can trouble the batsman. So I would say regardless of how he performs in PSL and BPL, make him tour NZ. Even if he doesn't play, at least he will get to work with Azhar and develop in time for the next WC. We can't have another giant bowler go to waste and make his debut at the end of his career like Irfan.
 
I can accept anyone in ODI squad other than Wahab as he has been given a long run to prive himself in ODIs but its not the format suited to him.

Ehsan Adil is a great choice if we want someone who can create some bounce, generate some pace (has gone up in the year or two) and seam the ball.

It will add variety to the attack as we have bowlers who are almost of sane height including Shinwari who got injured and also he is a right armer. He isnt too shabby with the bat and in the feild as well.
 
I think MA will be forced to sit out Imad for Fahim in NZ. So the pace attack would be Hasan, Amir, Junaid, and Fahim along with spin from Shadab. That's still not a bad attack especially in conditions like NZ. Hopefully the PSL will give us an answer for the 2nd backup bowler ( Raees being first ). The reason people are saying SSA is because he is 6ft 6, can swing the ball, and bowls at least 80mph. That's not a terrible option to have especially in NZ where even a little bit of pace and bounce can trouble the batsman. So I would say regardless of how he performs in PSL and BPL, make him tour NZ. Even if he doesn't play, at least he will get to work with Azhar and develop in time for the next WC. We can't have another giant bowler go to waste and make his debut at the end of his career like Irfan.

Even Ehsan is around 6ft4 6ft6. I would like to give Shaheen a comparatively easier series so he can up his confidence like Zimbabwe next year, by then he would have been seen in PSL as well.
 
I'm sorry replace? The man has only one ODi two his name and a couple of t20, if I'm not wrong you don't replace players who has only played one game because they are already a replacement for someone else (in this case M Amir), we are complaining as if we have lost some ATG, he hasn't even played 10 games yet for Godsakes, and you have to wait atleast 10-15 games before passing a judgement on someone.

What if he was found out to be a spray gun against the top sides then what?
 
This domestic season has been a disaster because of pitches, can't judge the fast bowlers taking wickets in quaid trophy.

We may have to wait till PSL to find 1-2 limited overs fast bowlers. Sohail Khan won't be selected because of his age, Mir Hamza is a test bowler and Sadaf is no where international selection.

If Shaheen Shah plays and leaves a big impression in PSL, he may take Usman's place.
 
I'm sorry replace? The man has only one ODi two his name and a couple of t20, if I'm not wrong you don't replace players who has only played one game because they are already a replacement for someone else (in this case M Amir), we are complaining as if we have lost some ATG, he hasn't even played 10 games yet for Godsakes, and you have to wait atleast 10-15 games before passing a judgement on someone.

What if he was found out to be a spray gun against the top sides then what?

I was talking about squad of 15 here not the playing 11. If a guy is not available surely one needs to select somebody in his place to complete the squad.
 
This domestic season has been a disaster because of pitches, can't judge the fast bowlers taking wickets in quaid trophy.

We may have to wait till PSL to find 1-2 limited overs fast bowlers. Sohail Khan won't be selected because of his age, Mir Hamza is a test bowler and Sadaf is no where international selection.

If Shaheen Shah plays and leaves a big impression in PSL, he may take Usman's place.

But before Shaheen Shah plays PSL we have two series, one is the T20 series this month against WI and then NZ ODI and T20 Series in Jan.
 
You already have 5 fast bowlers for the WI and NZ limited overs tours, Amir, Hassan, Rauman, Junaid and Faheem.

Shinwari was an addition to the pace attack and most likely a replacement for Junaid if he had continued to perform consistently. Now Junaid will retain his place till we discover new limited overs fast bowlers in PSL.

I think Amir, Hassan, Shinwari and Rauman would have been an awesome 4 fast bowlers attack with support from Fahim, not to be.

I think the worry should be the test fast bowlers. In Limited overs, Amir and Hassan are brilliant with support from Rauman, Junaid and now emerging Faheem. In tests, I can only think of Abbas who is a certainty right now. Hassan is yet to prove himself and Hamza is untested. Amir should be rightly dropped from tests for sometime till he finds his mojo. Less said about wahab, the better.

With this domestic season, we can't rely on stats to pick 1-2 new test fast bowlers. Hope selectors are able to identify few test-level fast bowlers as we have a busy 2018 in tests and our test fast bowling strength really worries me.
 
who ever does well in the PSL


heard plenty about Ahmed Bashir

Personally I have high hopes for Amad Butt


Was a fan of Ehsan but doesnt seem to have the desire
 
[MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION] what are ur options..mine are shahin shah after watching him in psl etc..sadaf hussain.ahmad bashir and sameen gul.ehsan adil..
 
Pakistan should consider Shaheen Shah.

He’ll be at the U-19 WC in January
Technically Shinwari was Amir’s replacement so Aamir will come back as a straight swap
 
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sameen gul who is very talented but i think they will select sohail khan or wahab
 
Pakistan should consider Shaheen Shah.

Too soon for my liking. He should play some cricket first to get to know his body and his game. PSL will be a good platform for him to come into limited overs side, Shouldn't come near to tests for atleast 2 to 3 years as his body is still developing.

Sameen Gul is another exceptional talent and he has played some cricket as well he is also just 19 so PSL will be a big platform for him as well.
 
He’ll be at the U-19 WC in January
Technically Shinwari wasn’t Amir’s replacement so Aamir will come back as a straight swap

Yes we dont have issues in selecting the 11, my point of asking was about the 15 members squad in which Shinwari was present in both the T20s and ODIs.
 
who ever does well in the PSL


heard plenty about Ahmed Bashir

Personally I have high hopes for Amad Butt


Was a fan of Ehsan but doesnt seem to have the desire

Yes Amad has the potential to be a match winner if he remains working hard. He didnt create the impact the way player of his caliber should have created in PSL. This is going to be an important PSL season for him.

Coming to Ehsan, I guess the guy has all the traits to be a successful international bowler however, he needed to work on his reverse swing and fitness which hopefully he would have improved by now. The desire you are talking about will develop in the current team environment. Playing under the captaincy of Sarfaraz and coaching of Micky and Azhar is gonna do him a world of good.
 
Yes we dont have issues in selecting the 11, my point of asking was about the 15 members squad in which Shinwari was present in both the T20s and ODIs.

Yes but Amir wasn’t in the ODI squad either due to injury so he comes back in. In T20’s I guess they could go with Sohail Khan for the time being.
 
Do not think it will be an issue...it's a straight swap..Amir in Shinwari out..
The only problem we have in our squad is adjusting Azhar Ali and Saad Ali in one team..
 
[MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION] what are ur options..mine are shahin shah after watching him in psl etc..sadaf hussain.ahmad bashir and sameen gul.ehsan adil..

Should be some one younger and preferably right arm. Hasan bowls as 1st change, so should Fahim, hence the replacement should be better user of new ball, may be Sameen Gul.
 
Should be some one younger and preferably right arm. Hasan bowls as 1st change, so should Fahim, hence the replacement should be better user of new ball, may be Sameen Gul.

u are talking in an ideal world ...but what will be realistically.i did mentioned above name due to possible picks of pcb and our cs..
 
Should be some one younger and preferably right arm. Hasan bowls as 1st change, so should Fahim, hence the replacement should be better user of new ball, may be Sameen Gul.

by inzi and micky it will be from above and if u rule out micky say then it will definitely be sohail khan,Gul or Cheema...
 
It was really unfortunate for Usman Shinwari to get injured again especially when he looked in good rythm. Hopefully he can recover soon.

Meanwhile who you guys think can replace him in the ODI squad of Pakistan and who do you think suitable in T20s?

Few guys which can be acceptable options for ODIs or can be tested in WI T20s are (Some pretty controversial names are here so apologies):

1) Mir Hamza. The guy has been brought up through proper system and has been playing for Pakistan A team for some time now. He is still 25 so good age for a fast bowler. He has good repeatable action and can seam and swing the ball from good length and can generate decent pace. He didnt play much in PSL but the way he bowled against Sangakara and beating his bat on an occasion or two shows a caliber of a bowler. He is already part of the test squad.

2) Amir Yamin even just as a bowler is a good contender. He can swing the new ball both ways and I think his pace has improved a bit recently. Yes he is not the best overs bowler but when you have Amir and Hassan to do the job he can finish his quota earlier.
His power hitting is one of the best in the current lot which is an addition. He is also a good fielder.

3) Sohail Khan. We all now what he is capable of with the new ball and is going as leading wicket taker in QEA trophy and is a handy lower order hitter. He can reverse swing the old ball and is very good at the death overs as well. Yes he does lack a bit on the fielding side.

4) Sadaf Hussain. The guy is at his peak as a fast bowler as he is 27 which is considered the peak age when the the bowler knows his game and his body. Guy definitely knows how to take wickets and with his height and swing he can definitely add another dimension to our bowling attack. I am not sure about how fit he is and how good a fielder he is.

5) Ahmed Bashir. Guy is young and talented and if he is that pacy and nippy many posters here make him out to be than he can definitely add that pace factor in our team.

6) Mohammad Asif. Yes some people might not like his name when we have a lot of other options but the guy still is a beast and he still plays with the minds of the batsmen as he has control over everything he wants to do. He doesnt have much to offer with the bat but he is an ok catcher in the field.

7) Umar Gul. He looks in good rhythm and is hitting good lengths. He is a good fielder and a good lower order hitter. If he is completely fit then he can definitely be a handful.

8) Ehsan Adil. I always find him capable of delivering some match winning spells. Many people wont agree but the way he generates bounce and seams the ball both ways if he is taken under the shadow of Arthur and Azhar with caiptaincy of Sarfaraz many people might be surprised what this guy can achieve.

Many more are there, these are just to name a few. Shaheen Shah and other few young bowlers like him were not considered by me above as I believe they should play some more matches including PSL to get promoted to national team but, you guys can name anyone you believe is good enough.

Awful list barring Sadaf. Gul is a joke, Asif I would back for a Test return but not ODIs, Hamza is a very good FC/Test prospect but has poor LOI numbers.

Sadaf has the best LA list numbers in recent history.
 
by inzi and micky it will be from above and if u rule out micky say then it will definitely be sohail khan,Gul or Cheema...

Sohail Khan could have been ideal pacer, since he can bat as well; but he is almost 40 now; should look beyond him. Actually, this year FC stats are so much bowling dominant that it's difficult to name pacers - almost everyone in concern is in the range of ATG stats. Even Anwar Ali has 6/40 yesterday ..... and he indeed can bat a bit, and fit - fields well.
 
Sohail Khan could have been ideal pacer, since he can bat as well; but he is almost 40 now; should look beyond him. Actually, this year FC stats are so much bowling dominant that it's difficult to name pacers - almost everyone in concern is in the range of ATG stats. Even Anwar Ali has 6/40 yesterday ..... and he indeed can bat a bit, and fit - fields well.

anwar has not been the same fielder for quite a while.....i hope against hope that ahmad bashir.sameen gul or ammd but gets their chance.will not mind sadaf hussain at all though he is not suited for odi.
 
7) Umar Gul. He looks in good rhythm and is hitting good lengths. He is a good fielder and a good lower order hitter. If he is completely fit then he can definitely be a handful.

Has a terrible dive and has dropped simple catches. Was never a good fielder and was almost Sohail Tanvir level bad. Plus age has caught up with him as he no longer has much pace and we all saw him in the England tour. I haven't followed domestic cricket much after that so could someone tell me what he's done.
 
Don't need a replacement in ODIs.

We have 4 pacers anyway + Faheem. So our lineup will bowling lineup will be Amir, Junaid, Faheem, Hasan and Imad/Shadab. With Rumman as backup pacer and Imad/Shadab as backup spinner.

For T20Is, it's Amir, Hasan, Rumman and Faheem. For backup pacer, let's see who performs well in National T20 Cup first.
 
He’ll be at the U-19 WC in January
Technically Shinwari was Amir’s replacement so Aamir will come back as a straight swap
But you'd think we would take the extra fast bowler to NZ, considering the location and duration of the series.
 
But you'd think we would take the extra fast bowler to NZ, considering the location and duration of the series.

Fair enough I suppose; in that case I’d go with Yamin who could cover for Fahim as well, just incase he gets injured.


More than an extra fast bowler, I do hope they take a reserve WK. Since Sarfraz is captain he could potentially be suspended due to poor over rate too
 
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