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Who will replace Yasir Shah in Tests for Pakistan?

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If Yasir Shah gets handed a one year ban or more, you will replace him in tests?
 
No leggie in pakistan ready for test cricket. Zafar gohar will have to step up now. Though not sure we should play 2 left arm spinners. I think for away tours imad can be included to strengthen batting plus 3 pace bowlers
 
aliasad1998 said:
No leggie in pakistan ready for test cricket. Zafar gohar will have to step up now. Though not sure we should play 2 left arm spinners. I think for away tours imad can be included to strengthen batting plus 3 pace bowlers
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Imad in tests. Will be like half a spinner. And plus I don't think he can bear the workload of a front line spinner. Add to that Wahab and Amir is a good tail. No need to add to batting
 
So now we will be looking for Usama Mir, Gohar and Asghar. [MENTION=138980]TalentSpotterPk[/MENTION] we have a good pool of spinners, i hope PCB know this.
 
#GreenRoars said:
So now we will be looking for Usama Mir, Gohar and Asghar. [MENTION=138980]TalentSpotterPk[/MENTION] we have a good pool of spinners, i hope PCB know this.
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Young spinner debuting in England? Knowing Misbah how likely is it?
 
Zafar Gohar should be given lots of games in New Zealand tour. Only then he should be picked for English tour based on performance in international cricket
 
Zafar. Lol. He's not even ready for ODIs yet as he gives a boundary ball every over. Plus he's not a leggie, but should play in LOIs to develop.

Shahzaib, Karamat are leggies but not sure how mature are they.
 
Hawkeye said:
Zafar. Lol. He's not even ready for ODIs yet as he gives a boundary ball every over. Plus he's not a leggie, but should play in LOIs to develop.

Shahzaib, Karamat are leggies but not sure how mature are they.
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Yasir shah had supreme control on his line & length in tests.
 
From what I saw in the UAE,Zafar hasn't kicked on from the U19 and is at least 2 years away from being ready for test cricket. Asgar has potential but needs to develop more variety in terms of where he delivers on the crease, atm his too wide.
 
Yatoo said:
All too young. :sanga
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There is a very good offspinner from Dera Ghazi Khan named Mohammad Asif.

But he is 32.

Last year he was the best spinner of QEA trophy silver and gold league with 33 wickets in 13 innings. Where he took 3 fourfers, 1 fivefer and 1 tenfer at an average of 24 and at a remarkable strike rate of 36.

He plays for Multan.

The spinner of gold and silver league was not drafted in any regional team by PCB this year which is failure of selectors otherwise he would have out bowled and our performed Mohammad Asghar and Sohaib Khan this season and would have been in test contention incase Yasir gets suspended.

This year this is the spinners performance :

1. Zulfiqar Babar 7 matches 30 wickets

2. Mohammad Asghar 8 matches 26 wickets

3. Abdur Rehman 7 matches 22 wickets

4. Sohaib Khan 7 matches 21 wickets

5. Zafar Gohar 5 matches 19 wickets.

6. Nasir Awais 3 matches 15 wickets.


Zulfiqar Babar and Abdul Rehman are 37 and 36 years old officially. Actually the are both 40 and sorry it's apparent.

Sohaib Khan is 26 but has played just 9 Fc games for Karachi team. No departmental cricket yet and he is left arm orthpdox.

Nasir Awais is 32 and has played 45 Fc games where he averages 31 with the ball with strike rate of 64 so not impressive.

There are 2 other left-armer. Mohammad Irfan SSGC and Kashif Bhatti of SBP. Both have good records but nothing to show off this season and personally I don't rate both of them.


So in terms of talent , skillet , ability and performance the best two are :

1. Zafar Gohar , almost 21

13 matches 56 wickets at an Ave of 23 and SR of 47 with 2 fivefers and 1 tenfer

2. Mohammad Asghar , 20 years old

10matches 41 wickets at an average of 25 and SR of 52 with 3 fivefers and 1 tenfer.


Pakistan's best left arm spinner in test cricket Iqbal Qasim rates Asghar higher than Zafar but Zafar's record I slightly better.


Pakistan will probably Go with Zafar Gohar.
 
He will not be missed till Feb 2017 as pak have away tours of Aussie and English summer. If yasir gets 2 or 4 years ban. PCB has one year to prepare a frontline spinner for the UAE tests if they are intelligent enough. Mushtaq has lots of Job to do or nothing based on yasir's ban and the choice of players.
 
TalentSpotterPk said:
There is a very good offspinner from Dera Ghazi Khan named Mohammad Asif.

But he is 32.

Last year he was the best spinner of QEA trophy silver and gold league with 33 wickets in 13 innings. Where he took 3 fourfers, 1 fivefer and 1 tenfer at an average of 24 and at a remarkable strike rate of 36.

He plays for Multan.

The spinner of gold and silver league was not drafted in any regional team by PCB this year which is failure of selectors otherwise he would have out bowled and our performed Mohammad Asghar and Sohaib Khan this season and would have been in test contention incase Yasir gets suspended.

This year this is the spinners performance :

1. Zulfiqar Babar 7 matches 30 wickets

2. Mohammad Asghar 8 matches 26 wickets

3. Abdur Rehman 7 matches 22 wickets

4. Sohaib Khan 7 matches 21 wickets

5. Zafar Gohar 5 matches 19 wickets.

6. Nasir Awais 3 matches 15 wickets.


Zulfiqar Babar and Abdul Rehman are 37 and 36 years old officially. Actually the are both 40 and sorry it's apparent.

Sohaib Khan is 26 but has played just 9 Fc games for Karachi team. No departmental cricket yet and he is left arm orthpdox.

Nasir Awais is 32 and has played 45 Fc games where he averages 31 with the ball with strike rate of 64 so not impressive.

There are 2 other left-armer. Mohammad Irfan SSGC and Kashif Bhatti of SBP. Both have good records but nothing to show off this season and personally I don't rate both of them.


So in terms of talent , skillet , ability and performance the best two are :

1. Zafar Gohar , almost 21

13 matches 56 wickets at an Ave of 23 and SR of 47 with 2 fivefers and 1 tenfer

2. Mohammad Asghar , 20 years old

10matches 41 wickets at an average of 25 and SR of 52 with 3 fivefers and 1 tenfer.


Pakistan's best left arm spinner in test cricket Iqbal Qasim rates Asghar higher than Zafar but Zafar's record I slightly better.


Pakistan will probably Go with Zafar Gohar.
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Is Zafar a one format bowler (Tests) or can do well in T-20s and ODIs as well?
 
Since Zulfiqar Babar is the highest wicket taker in QEA at the moment only he will go to England. Or may be he and Imad Wasim.

But in my view it would be a huge mistake taking zulfiqar babar. Because his fitness is very very poor and in international cricket in last 1 year we have seen that with kookaburra ball he has lost the bite , zip and turn in his ball (due to ageing effects of fingers and back) and he has played a supporting role for Yasir.

But unfortunately as he had out bowled all spinners in QEA uptil now so he will be going to England.

I agree with posters that Pakistan won't risk giving Zafar or Asghar test debut in england.
 
TalentSpotterPk said:
There is a very good offspinner from Dera Ghazi Khan named Mohammad Asif.

But he is 32.

Last year he was the best spinner of QEA trophy silver and gold league with 33 wickets in 13 innings. Where he took 3 fourfers, 1 fivefer and 1 tenfer at an average of 24 and at a remarkable strike rate of 36.

He plays for Multan.

The spinner of gold and silver league was not drafted in any regional team by PCB this year which is failure of selectors otherwise he would have out bowled and our performed Mohammad Asghar and Sohaib Khan this season and would have been in test contention incase Yasir gets suspended.

This year this is the spinners performance :

1. Zulfiqar Babar 7 matches 30 wickets

2. Mohammad Asghar 8 matches 26 wickets

3. Abdur Rehman 7 matches 22 wickets

4. Sohaib Khan 7 matches 21 wickets

5. Zafar Gohar 5 matches 19 wickets.

6. Nasir Awais 3 matches 15 wickets.


Zulfiqar Babar and Abdul Rehman are 37 and 36 years old officially. Actually the are both 40 and sorry it's apparent.

Sohaib Khan is 26 but has played just 9 Fc games for Karachi team. No departmental cricket yet and he is left arm orthpdox.

Nasir Awais is 32 and has played 45 Fc games where he averages 31 with the ball with strike rate of 64 so not impressive.

There are 2 other left-armer. Mohammad Irfan SSGC and Kashif Bhatti of SBP. Both have good records but nothing to show off this season and personally I don't rate both of them.


So in terms of talent , skillet , ability and performance the best two are :

1. Zafar Gohar , almost 21

13 matches 56 wickets at an Ave of 23 and SR of 47 with 2 fivefers and 1 tenfer

2. Mohammad Asghar , 20 years old

10matches 41 wickets at an average of 25 and SR of 52 with 3 fivefers and 1 tenfer.


Pakistan's best left arm spinner in test cricket Iqbal Qasim rates Asghar higher than Zafar but Zafar's record I slightly better.


Pakistan will probably Go with Zafar Gohar.
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Need a right arm spinner. Zafar would have replaced Babar and support yasir. But now they need a replacement for yasir shah which is not easy.
 
ask_analyse_act said:
Need a right arm spinner. Zafar would have replaced Babar and support yasir. But now they need a replacement for yasir shah which is not easy.
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Things could have been totally different if Mohammad Asif had played for any department or region this season. Since it is not the case so we dot have any quality right arm spinner. Neither offie or leggie.

Usama Mir is a great talent and has got great skills as a leggie. Can bowl all variations. Spins it appreciably. Is tall has great action. Rate him very highly. But he needs atleast 1 or 2 years to develop. May be 3 years. Also his Fc stats are very poor.

So the best spinners choice are Zafar and Asghar.

Don't see Asif playing or getting selected when he hasn't played domestic cricket for an year. Still wish and pray that he plays for Multan team in coming List A tournament and catches the eye of selectors.
 
#GreenRoars said:
So now we will be looking for Usama Mir, Gohar and Asghar. [MENTION=138980]TalentSpotterPk[/MENTION] we have a good pool of spinners, i hope PCB know this.
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Yes brother you are right.

But they are too young and inexperienced at even domestic level. So I doubt pcb will give any of them debut in england.

So it will be Zulfiqar Babar only or Zulfiqar Babar and Imad Wasim for England Test tour.
 
TalentSpotterPk said:
Yes brother you are right.

But they are too young and inexperienced at even domestic level. So I doubt pcb will give any of them debut in england.

So it will be Zulfiqar Babar only or Zulfiqar Babar and Imad Wasim for England Test tour.
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Imad isn't a bad choice, can be handy all rounder. But Zulfi :facepalm:
 
Will probably be Zafar Gohar. But I won't mind Imad Wasim at all. He can bat well too and tbh overseas a spinner isn't expected to do that much. At least Imad will be able to contribute with the bat. Him coming at 8 will strengthen our tail.

Although knowing PCB, there's a higher chance of Zulfiqar Babar than Imad.
 
:facepalm: Can't believe we're having this conversation. :facepalm:

Please not Chacha Zulfi. I'd even take Imad over him, every day of the week.
 
Abdullah719 said:
:facepalm: Can't believe we're having this conversation. :facepalm:

Please not Chacha Zulfi. I'd even take Imad over him, every day of the week.
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Majority doesn't want him here including me. Unfortunately he is the highest wicket taker amongst spinners this season.
 
Bilal Asif... He should be our option to replace Yasir for the time being... Zafar must concentrate on ODIs for the time being to gain some international exposure before shifting him to Tests...
 
By the way no one expected such a question... Ideally this question should have been asked after 5 years at least... Its shocking/sad...
 
TalentSpotterPk said:
Things could have been totally different if Mohammad Asif had played for any department or region this season. Since it is not the case so we dot have any quality right arm spinner. Neither offie or leggie.

Usama Mir is a great talent and has got great skills as a leggie. Can bowl all variations. Spins it appreciably. Is tall has great action. Rate him very highly. But he needs atleast 1 or 2 years to develop. May be 3 years. Also his Fc stats are very poor.

So the best spinners choice are Zafar and Asghar.

Don't see Asif playing or getting selected when he hasn't played domestic cricket for an year. Still wish and pray that he plays for Multan team in coming List A tournament and catches the eye of selectors.
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People here in pp jump into the bandwagon as X is best spinner Y is better than X just with stats playing for dept. and regional teams. It is obvious that PCT batsmen are poor in technique and skill, so it should also be considered these dept bowlers are bowling to school boys of AUS, IND and SA or even less.
 
We are finished as a Test team now. Already minnow level in Limited Overs.

Pakistan cricket is finished.
 
ask_analyse_act said:
Spinners do the bulk of overs and also the 90 overs can be completed in the time frame. And seamers need rest time to get charged up for second new ball. Bowling a seamer with an old ball in UAE is like cannon fodder.
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we arent playing in uae in 2016 much. 2 matches only.
 
JibranAnsari said:
you will be saying the same when you are 55.
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Yes, if the same is happening after 30 years. Players using drugs, getting caught chucking, getting involved in match-fixing etc. There is no solution to the problems of Pakistan cricket, we are one pathetic and uncivilized nation.
 
[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] is really disappointed and frustrated today.

But rightly So.
 
TalentSpotterPk said:
[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] is really disappointed and frustrated today.

But rightly So.
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The only solution is to educate the players at grass-root level. Otherwise, these things will continue to happen. As mentioned in the other thread, lack of education and awareness is the biggest issue in this country.
 
Was just reading comments on BBC twitter on Yasir Shah. The English are ****** at Pakistani cricket. Life will be tough for Amir in England. The Barmy Army drunkards are going to be shouting all kind of non sense
 
I think in England we should play 3 Seamers (Amir, Wahab, Junaid/Asif/I Khan) with Imad wasim

Imad is not a great test spinner but he would strengthen batting and keep one end economical
 
Mamoon said:
Another lifeline for the javelin thrower, aka Ajmal?
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Even if he gets a series he would be dreadful and get dropped straight away

We are not playing too much in UAE in next year and a half. Only against WI in UAE against whom A young spinner making debut would be Ideal and even Baba jee will be a handful
 
Pakcricket89 said:
I think in England we should play 3 Seamers (Amir, Wahab, Junaid/Asif/I Khan) with Imad wasim

Imad is not a great test spinner but he would strengthen batting and keep one end economical
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If Azhar opens with Hafeez with Asad at 3, Sirfaraz at 6/7 , Imad at 6/7 & one more spinner (zafar)., then I believe it will strengthen both batting (wahab & amir as tail) and bowling. (5 bowling options)
 
Yatoo said:
If Azhar opens with Hafeez with Asad at 3, Sirfaraz at 6/7 , Imad at 6/7 & one more spinner (zafar)., then I believe it will strengthen both batting (wahab & amir as tail) and bowling. (5 bowling options)
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Imad at 6/7 would weaken batting

We got to play Imad at 8 and Zafar should rather make debut against Windies in UAE
 
Yasir was a rubbish ODI/T20 bowler anyways. And our next tests are overseas where spin won't be a major factor.
 
arch93 said:
Imad's stats are pretty good in UK; he has been playing there for the past five years. I think we should try him along with Zafar Gohar. Here's posting an abstract from Instonians website;
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Agree

Imad might not be a long term option but in England he can give much needed cushion in the late order and can be acceptable with ball

Zafar can wait till October in UAE where debut against WI should be relatively easier
 
Mamoon said:
The only solution is to educate the players at grass-root level. Otherwise, these things will continue to happen. As mentioned in the other thread, lack of education and awareness is the biggest issue in this country.
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Brother Cricket is a sports and it's a secondary thing for a country. First the systems need to be overhauled than with the wind the cricket board will be overhauled aswell. When the basic education system in a country is so so poor than how do we expect a competent cricket board and cricket associations and regions educating players about doping and fixing etc. Episodes of Asif and Shoaib happened 8 years ago and now we have lost Raza Hassan and Yasir Shah because we just could not remodel our system as per needs. Where there is no appropriate primary education for children there how you can expect sports education for players ?

In Human development we are at 147 number in world and regressing rater than improving. Whereas Australia is a 2. New Zealand is at 9 and UK is at 12. Look at New Zealand Sports flourishing for a country which is so small and has lesser population. Look at Australian sports flourishing.

We have talent. But we don't have systems. Be it be cricket or anything else.

Unless we overhaul the systems we will continue to a ashame ourselves with all these negative and embarrassing news.
 
Bullet Drive said:
Imad, Zafar, Shahzaib & Usama Mir are the best spinners in PAKISTAN.
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Bullet Drive said:
Yasir was a rubbish ODI/T20 bowler anyways. And our next tests are overseas where spin won't be a major factor.
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I like your optimism but get real bro Yasir was no 3 test bowler in the world and These guys might have potential but it wont be easy to replace yasir he was a class leggie
 
Mamoon said:
We are finished as a Test team now. Already minnow level in Limited Overs.

Pakistan cricket is finished.
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Huge loss, he would have been absolutely key in Pakistan tour of Australia and England to an extent. I don't know much about the replacements, I hope someone can replace him otherwise we'll fail to bowl teams out. Aamir coming into the team even more important now but sad how life works; Aamir in but Yasir out. Apparently he can be banned for up to 4 years, such a shame I don't think Yasir is going to get away with this.
 
TalentSpotterPk said:
Brother Cricket is a sports and it's a secondary thing for a country. First the systems need to be overhauled than with the wind the cricket board will be overhauled aswell. When the basic education system in a country is so so poor than how do we expect a competent cricket board and cricket associations and regions educating players about doping and fixing etc. Episodes of Asif and Shoaib happened 8 years ago and now we have lost Raza Hassan and Yasir Shah because we just could not remodel our system as per needs. Where there is no appropriate primary education for children there how you can expect sports education for players ?

In Human development we are at 147 number in world and regressing rater than improving. Whereas Australia is a 2. New Zealand is at 9 and UK is at 12. Look at New Zealand Sports flourishing for a country which is so small and has lesser population. Look at Australian sports flourishing.

We have talent. But we don't have systems. Be it be cricket or anything else.

Unless we overhaul the systems we will continue to a ashame ourselves with all these negative and embarrassing news.
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Yes, nothing more to add here. Eventually, the state of PCB and Pakistan cricket is just a reflection of the country: a complete and utter joke.
 
Mamoon said:
Yes, nothing more to add here. Eventually, the state of PCB and Pakistan cricket is just a reflection of the country: a complete and utter joke.
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But if you look at positive side we have people such as yourself, and others who are well educated in PAK :)

iA we will come good.
 
Yatoo said:
If Yasir Shah gets handed a one year ban or more, you will replace him in tests?
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There was this guy in last under19 world cup not sure of his name though, I think karamat Ali, he was probably the best leggie on show in that world cup .. what happened to him. I mean he had a lot of guile and mystery in his bowling . He cd spin his Goggly miles. I think he needs to be blooded if he's still around .. mind you haven't heard of him at all ever since and I think he was good batter as well

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Bullet Drive said:
Yasir was a rubbish ODI/T20 bowler anyways. And our next tests are overseas where spin won't be a major factor.
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In Australia he would have been absolutely key given the bounce the pitches have. And pitches in general here in our country are dependent on the weather and the new drainage systems allow for spin friendly conditions, having said that wear and tear as Tests progress aid the spinners on the last few days and especially at the Oval. Agree that it's not a big loss in ODI/T20
 
shaz619 said:
Huge loss, he would have been absolutely key in Pakistan tour of Australia and England to an extent. I don't know much about the replacements, I hope someone can replace him otherwise we'll fail to bowl teams out. Aamir coming into the team even more important now but sad how life works; Aamir in but Yasir out. Apparently he can be banned for up to 4 years, such a shame I don't think Yasir is going to get away with this.
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4 year ban will be the end of his career IMO, Yasir will be 30 next year.
 
shaz619 said:
In Australia he would have been absolutely key given the bounce the pitches have. And pitches in general here in our country are dependent on the weather and the new drainage systems allow for spin friendly conditions, having said that wear and tear as Tests progress aid the spinners on the last few days and especially at the Oval. Agree that it's not a big loss in ODI/T20
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On those wearing and tearing pitches, Shahzaib, Imad & Zafar will be superb. You saw how good Zafar was vs England in ODI.

Its not that big a loss provided they pick Shahzaib Ahmed Khan(who I think is just as good, if not better)
 
Mamoon said:
The only solution is to educate the players at grass-root level. Otherwise, these things will continue to happen. As mentioned in the other thread, lack of education and awareness is the biggest issue in this country.
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Nah...the only way is exemplary punishments in full view of the public. It will accelerate grass roots education.
 
Mamoon said:
4 year ban will be the end of his career IMO, Yasir will be 30 next year.
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Spinners tend to be active into their late 30's so there is still hope that he may be able to resume his career and be just as succesful iA
 
WC-Passion said:
We're screwed if Imad or Zafar don't come good imo.
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It's unfair just throwing them at the deep end just like that but they'll have to stand up. They need to be in the playing XI in all forms asap, unfortunately we don't have any Tests before the tour of England [MENTION=56866]Bullet Drive[/MENTION]
 
Bullet Drive said:
On those wearing and tearing pitches, Shahzaib, Imad & Zafar will be superb. You saw how good Zafar was vs England in ODI.

Its not that big a loss provided they pick Shahzaib Ahmed Khan(who I think is just as good, if not better)
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Pardon me I dont rate Shahzaib that much he needs to work a lot on his stock leg-spin which doesnt turn much. Yes he has a good google but a leggie without a killer stock ball can not be brilliant

IMO Yasir resembled Warne and Shahzaib resembles Mushi in terms of type of Legspin

Zafar has potential to be a test bowler, and he should have played this season ahead of babar
 
shaz619 said:
It's unfair just throwing them at the deep end just like that but they'll have to stand up. They need to be in the playing XI in all forms asap, unfortunately we don't have any Tests before the tour of England [MENTION=56866]Bullet Drive[/MENTION]
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In England we can play Imad as a MAke shift arrangement and Against WI Zafar can make his debut

Imad at no. 8 with 3 seamers is the way to go in England
 
shaz619 said:
Spinners tend to be active into their late 30's so there is still hope that he may be able to resume his career and be just as succesful iA
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Yes but if some of the young spinners like Imad, Usama, Zafar etc. do well in his absence, he might not get another opportunity.
 
Mamoon said:
Yes but if some of the young spinners like Imad, Usama, Zafar etc. do well in his absence, he might not get another opportunity.
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That's true but hopefully he'll get the same fallen hero/saviour treatment that Aamir did (am sure Yasir will to) and that would make his return imminent
 
shaz619 said:
That's true but hopefully he'll get the same fallen hero/saviour treatment that Aamir did (am sure Yasir will to) and that would make his return imminent
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In Amir, PCB saw a 10 year career in spite of losing 5 years. As we have seen, they are quite unkind to players who lack that utility, the likes of Ajmal, Butt, Asif, Kaneria etc. have not been given the Amir treatment. Let's see what they make of a 33 year old Yasir hoping to return to international cricket having not played for 4 yrs.
 
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