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Who will retire with a higher Test batting average - Virat Kohli or Babar Azam?
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You are failling to answer simple questions.
Some people are limited in knowledge, understanding and some are just not willing to understand.
You are from the lucky ones who have all thèse things in you.
Again, from jan 2015 to Dec 2019 (your dates), give me 5 great Kohli innings on rank turners.
You are bringing the Sa home séries for Babar for the past 2 years. How does it compare to 9.20 over three tests of peak Kohli in 2017?
What about Kohli's ability to play soin with an average of 14 in Bangladesh ?
You are just jealous that Babar has à better test average than Kohli.
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Please repeat after me: Ashwin & Jadeja are the greatest spinners in history for averaging 22 & 21 on flat wickets with no spin on offer.
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I'm a big critic of Kohli, but this isn't a comparison.
A lot of Babar's runs have come on absolute roads in the UAE and Pakistan or against really ordinary opposition.
A lot of Babar's runs have come on absolute roads in the UAE and Pakistan or against really ordinary opposition.
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I believe the next championship cycle will determine babar ceiling as a test batsman, where he has to play in SA and Australia.
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Yeah, tbf I think he's still unproven as a world class Test batsmen in this format as he hasn't had a big moment/series away from home against the top teams to put him in that bracket.
Scoring roads on roads or against weak opposition is one thing, to be world class you've got to be able to do it away from home against the best. Tbf to Babar he hasn't had many opportunities to prove himself. Unlike Kohli who plays against the top teams away from home regularly.
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BABAR AZAM IN SENA COUNTRIES
Span Mat Inns NO Runs HS Avg BF SR 100s 50s
in Australia 2016-2019 5 10 0 278 104 27.8 462 60.17 1 1
in England 2018-2020 4 6 2 263 69 65.75 491 53.56 0 3
in New Zealand 2016-2016 2 4 1 142 90* 47.33 308 46.1 0 1
in South Africa 2018-2019 3 6 0 221 72 36.83 279 79.21 0 2
VIRAT KOHLI IN SENA COUNTRIES
Span Mat Inns NO Runs HS Avg BF SR 100s 50s
in Australia 2011-2020 13 25 0 1352 169 54.08 2544 53.14 6 4
in England 2014-2022 16 31 0 1033 149 33.32 2002 51.59 2 5
in New Zealand 2014-2020 4 8 1 252 105* 36 438 57.53 1 1
in South Africa 2013-2022 7 14 0 719 153 51.35 1433 50.17 2 3
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Babar will end up with the better avg if his career doesn't nosedive like kohlis has over the last 3 years. Sad thing is Babar is extremely consistent and always seems to get starts but loses concentration and can't score big most of the time
Even many consistent players avg 4-5 points lower than their peak averages.
Kohli averaged 54 once and his career nosedived so he is at 49.
Babar will have to be around 54-55 at peak to end above Kohli's avg.
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It will be surprising and shocking if Babar does not end up with 50+ career average. Players normally have around of half of their games in home country.
If I have to bet then chance are high that Babar will have higher career average. Babar reminds me of Mahela. Mahela averaged 49.8 and he had a harder surface to bat at home. Babar should surpass Mahela and finish with 50+ average.
If 1-10 wickets are averaging near 40 then top order batsmen by default will average 50+. Very high chance for ending with 50+ average.
If I have to bet then chance are high that Babar will have higher career average. Babar reminds me of Mahela. Mahela averaged 49.8 and he had a harder surface to bat at home. Babar should surpass Mahela and finish with 50+ average.
If 1-10 wickets are averaging near 40 then top order batsmen by default will average 50+. Very high chance for ending with 50+ average.
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This is why comparing players at their peaks with players who are at their lows don't make sense. I know for a fact so many guys made fun of root for long time saying he doesn't belong to Fab 4. I knew he would turn it around. That is exactly what happened. Right now he has 13 man of the match awards, 5 man of the series awards. That is a staggering number for a batsman. Usually bowlers/all rounders pick up these awards. In the last 3 years alone 4 MOM awards. All of them came in winning causes not drawn Tests. That is how your legacy is measured. How much you helped your side win a match. Right now Babar sits with one man of the match award in a drawn Test, 0 man of the series awards. This is supposed to be his peak.
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Hope PCB starts producing bowler friendly pitches at home, to hell with Brand Babar and making flat pitches for him to look good.
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Babar will finish with the bigger avg, who cares if it's soft runs on flat Pakistani Phattas that never helps the team win....
Hey atleast he will finish with a higher avg than Kohli and I guess that is all that matters at the end of the day...
Hey atleast he will finish with a higher avg than Kohli and I guess that is all that matters at the end of the day...
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if you keep Mayank Agarwal exclusively for all the home matches he might end up with 70 Test average lol
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Babar has such an influence on the majority of Pak fans, that they will accept losing as long as Babar scores soft runs.
Why are people here so dismissive of Babar? Yes he has scored a lot of soft runs but he can only play against what is offered to him. Eventually he will be touring SENA more and find himself in tougher situations. We will get to know where he stands. Currently he is a class batsman and my prediction is he will end up as Pakistani great batsman not at fab 4 level though.
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Babar azam is a softie he failed to score in second inning where it matter most
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Babar atm is a Samaraweera level batsman in Tests a guy who is a master of scoring on roads but lacks loads of impactful match definining series defining knocks despite his impressive average.
England series 4th innings both times he got out cheaply when a sizeable contribution could've won us either Test.
Babar also needs to get way more 100s out of Asia. One hundred outside Asia isn't good enough. Until Babar improves that he can't be classed as a great Test batsman.
He also has a conversion rate issue.
England series 4th innings both times he got out cheaply when a sizeable contribution could've won us either Test.
Babar also needs to get way more 100s out of Asia. One hundred outside Asia isn't good enough. Until Babar improves that he can't be classed as a great Test batsman.
He also has a conversion rate issue.
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surely the home captain and coach have some say on the type of pitches prepared for home tests, if not the full command. ramiz said that he told babar this is not working and they need to change things, and he said that while talking about the pitches, what does he mean by it?
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Babar Azam will end up with an average of 37.
Virat Kohli will end up with an average of 42.
The law of averages indicate neither will end up retiring with 50+, unless they get dropped at this moment and never play again.
Virat Kohli will end up with an average of 42.
The law of averages indicate neither will end up retiring with 50+, unless they get dropped at this moment and never play again.
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Virat's average will be one that Babar will do well to follow for his own improvement.
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Samaraweera is an underrated test batsman. He has scored back to back centuries in South Africa against likes of Steyn, Morkel and Philander. Babar's stats are inflated due to flat roads in Pakistan.
Indian pitches nowadays are very difficult for batters. Babar would have averaged 41-42 if he had regularly played in India like Kohli, Rahane and Pujara did.
People need to stop comparing the two. Babar isn’t in his league. Let’s just be honest and be done with it.
A higher average even if gets there, Babar will never have the same batsmanship.
Babar needs to resign, take stock, work on his game and get some belief in him.
Oh yea and learn to play the sweep
Oh yea and read the googly
Oh yea and learn to play on bouncy pitches
A higher average even if gets there, Babar will never have the same batsmanship.
Babar needs to resign, take stock, work on his game and get some belief in him.
Oh yea and learn to play the sweep
Oh yea and read the googly
Oh yea and learn to play on bouncy pitches
Test cricket is not only about talent it tests your patience too ..If it is test of talent and intent then Virat is there at the top but he lacks patience which is very much required at this stage of his career ..He will be still good in T20 and odis but unless he gets one more purple patch he will be an average test batsman ...India played in bowler friendly conditions for almost three years too contributed to his steep decline..
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Agreed, it won't be long until Babar's cheerleaders will start chest thumping "Babar has higher average than Kohli because he's a superior test match batsman".
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Babar plays less test matches than kohli in a year.
Kohli s team play 3 to 5 match series regularly where as Babar mostly gets 2 - 3 test series
Kohli s team play in SENA conditions more often which helps where as Babar plays once every few years.
The sheer number of matches and opportunities that Kolhi gets should put him well in front but in fact its pretty even.
The only way this will be settled is when both careers are over and we can compare number of matches , conditions , bowling attacks etc. to determine who was better.
kolhi is also roughly 5 years older than Babar so he s been around longer
Babar has currently played just 47 Tests where as kohli has played a colossal 108 Tests.
Babar has been exceptional so far but their respective careers are at different peaks.
Kohli s team play 3 to 5 match series regularly where as Babar mostly gets 2 - 3 test series
Kohli s team play in SENA conditions more often which helps where as Babar plays once every few years.
The sheer number of matches and opportunities that Kolhi gets should put him well in front but in fact its pretty even.
The only way this will be settled is when both careers are over and we can compare number of matches , conditions , bowling attacks etc. to determine who was better.
kolhi is also roughly 5 years older than Babar so he s been around longer
Babar has currently played just 47 Tests where as kohli has played a colossal 108 Tests.
Babar has been exceptional so far but their respective careers are at different peaks.
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Babar should end with higher average.
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Had to consider the fact that babar plays on roads whereas kohli mostly on rank turners.
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Harbhajan Singh on his YT channel:
“Virat Kohli has established himself as a great, while Babar Azam still has a lot to do. He will reach there someday, as he is a wonderful player. He is very good in Test cricket, but maybe T20 doesn’t suit him a lot,"
Shoaib Akhtar speaking in response to Harbhajan "Virat Kohli is the greatest, and Babar Azam is in the process of becoming the greatest batsman ever. He is striving to improve in T20s. People criticize him without valid reasons."
“Virat Kohli has established himself as a great, while Babar Azam still has a lot to do. He will reach there someday, as he is a wonderful player. He is very good in Test cricket, but maybe T20 doesn’t suit him a lot,"
Shoaib Akhtar speaking in response to Harbhajan "Virat Kohli is the greatest, and Babar Azam is in the process of becoming the greatest batsman ever. He is striving to improve in T20s. People criticize him without valid reasons."
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Babar is a ZERO T20 player regardless of his stats
He doesn’t play the game the way it should be played
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Babar but Kohli will be a better player.
Just like Dravid is better than Younis Khan and Inzamam.
Just like Dravid is better than Younis Khan and Inzamam.
Miadad is better than Dravid.
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Both of them at same level for me.
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Babar will end up as the player with a higher average but Kohli is arguably the more impactful and superior test batter.
Similarly, Tendulkar has a higher average than Kohli but he is an inferior and less impactful player than Babar and Kohli in Tests!
Similarly, Tendulkar has a higher average than Kohli but he is an inferior and less impactful player than Babar and Kohli in Tests!
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It’s going to be a fight till the end it seems. Babar isn’t making the long strides for now but you never know. Two triple centuries on flat Pakistani pitches and he will average 55
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The way babar is going down hill in red ball cricket i dont think he would be able to catchup VK anytime soon
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Babar now averages 44.52
In test cricket
Kohli is at 49.16
In test cricket
Kohli is at 49.16
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Babar...... can't match the calibre of Kohli even in Dreams
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That’s a bit too much.
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Didn't know Kohli averages so low. Thought he would be averaging around 54.
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He was , few years back.
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Ian Bell territory
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Kohli will retire with a higher average.
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There is no point of comparing these averages. Even if Babar had averaged 50, he can't be rated as good as Kohli because Kohli has played much more tougher series away from home and in tougher conditions than what Babar has got, either home or away.
