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If Wood doesn't play it will be easier at the MCG. But Woakes can still move.
It comes down to what they do with the pitch. Typically final will have a flat pitch. Let us see.
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Who will win the final of the ICC T20 World Cup 2022 between Pakistan and England?
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If Wood doesn't play it will be easier at the MCG. But Woakes can still move.
It comes down to what they do with the pitch. Typically final will have a flat pitch. Let us see.
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Why? So we get an easy win? We will beat England even if they had Archer, Bairstow, Wood, Roy, Topley and any of their first team players available.
I know this Pakistan side and I know this Pakistan momentum. We are not losing on Sunday or Monday
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Pakistan are very difficult to stop once they get on a roll. We witnessed this in the Champions Trophy as well.
Shadab is my man of the tournament and if he steps up in the final, Pakistan will win. His bowling, his batting, his fielding and his overall attitude is everything that represents this modern Pakistan team.
Shadab is my man of the tournament and if he steps up in the final, Pakistan will win. His bowling, his batting, his fielding and his overall attitude is everything that represents this modern Pakistan team.
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Umm yeah? I'd rather have us going out there with the highest probability of winning, rather than anything less than that.
I echo your sentiments. Pakistan, once they have come back from this kind of adversity, are simply a team of demons. But you still don't know what a guy like Wood, who is the fastest bowler in the tournament, can do on a swinging, bouncy MCG wicket.
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If Pakistan lose, I will be upset. It will be the first Pakistani defeat since the Mohali semifinal in 2011 that will make me feel that way.
I have a bad feeling that it could be anticlimactic like the 1999 final, and I suppose if Pakistan are to lose, Pakistani fans would prefer a thrashing rather than a heartbreaking, close shave which would create a lot of what if moments.
I have a bad feeling that it could be anticlimactic like the 1999 final, and I suppose if Pakistan are to lose, Pakistani fans would prefer a thrashing rather than a heartbreaking, close shave which would create a lot of what if moments.
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We could be massively trolled by the rain. Melbourne will be bruising through some heavy thunderstorms.
We could have a shortened match which could play into England's hands with Buttler and Hales possibly going hell for leather.
England definitely are stronger. I'd say they were the stronger side in 92 as well. England will always find a way to choke in a big knockout game or in a final.
There are so many occasions from where England lost an ICC final from wining position this time it will be same. From my memory England bottled 92 WC, 04 CT, 16 T20 WC nearly bottled the 19 WC as well & they only won because of brain fade from Dharmasena.
It's not easy to defeat Pakistan in a knockout game when they're in groove, unless you're Australia.
There are so many occasions from where England lost an ICC final from wining position this time it will be same. From my memory England bottled 92 WC, 04 CT, 16 T20 WC nearly bottled the 19 WC as well & they only won because of brain fade from Dharmasena.
It's not easy to defeat Pakistan in a knockout game when they're in groove, unless you're Australia.
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I wish and support Pakistan to win this game...
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We have not chased a big total in whole of the tournament. Our strength has been bowling out opposition at low totals and chasing it. Two time we defended total was 160 and 180 and both times we made the other team pay for it. Now, what is our strategy bat first or bowl first. I have a feeling we might be better off defending a total than give england a chance to post a big total.
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Legendary .... really.
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Our brain fade against Australia is a piece of art.
It happens to them in football as well
Euro final at home v Italy despite scoring in 2nd minute.
No it is actually the 1979 world cup final where actual choke feast start,
Chasing 286 in 60 overs ( big total those days)
Boycott & Capt brearely did put 100 run partnership but with such a low run rate that middle & late order batsmen collapsed spectacularly due to Required RR pressure.
Then our Mike Gatting was single handedly winning the 1987 world cup final ( they should have won) but brainfade reverse sweep at critical stage changed the course of game, Allan Lamb could not finish the game & lost by narrowest 7 runs
Coming to 1992, Allan lamb & neil fairbrother put them in decent position but skill of Wasim was too much ( ironically the person who clean bowled Allan lamb in 87 final & 92 final ) themselves captained their sides in 99 world cup final ( wasim and steve waugh)
Worst bottle job was champions trophy 2004 final where Windies were reduced to 147/8 & still West indies chased 215 odd. 2013 ct final was worst
130 they could not chase in 20 overs.
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When England played Pakistan at the MCG in the 1992 World Cup final it was only the teams’ fourth encounter in nearly five years. When the same teams meet at the same venue on Sunday with the T20 World Cup on the line it will be their ninth game in a shade over seven weeks.
It may be true that cricketers, unlike footballers for much of that sport’s history, have always been familiar with the key players of other major nations at World Cups, but this is something else. As Alex Hales put it, “both teams know each other like the back of our hands”.
Last week Shan Masood spoke of spending time during England’s seven-game T20 series in Pakistan in September with his future Yorkshire teammates Harry Brook, Dawid Malan and Adil Rashid. “I think that’s the beauty of the game,” he says. “It connects people, it connects everyone.”
This stage is set for an unusually friendly final. “There’s a lot of camaraderie, and a lot of respect between the coaching staffs as well,” says Matthew Mott, the England coach. “We’re known to each other pretty well. It’s not going to take anything away from on the field – both teams are going to go out there determined to do their best and win that World Cup final – but definitely the two teams mix very well.”
In all of this somehow Shaheen Afridi manages to be both Pakistan’s best-known threat and their secret weapon. The 22-year-old sustained a knee ligament injury in July that ruled him out of England’s 4-3 series victory in his homeland in September – he spent much of that time receiving specialist care in London – and he bowled only two overs when the teams met for a warm-up game in Brisbane on the eve of the tournament. He has not exactly hidden from the English of late – six months ago he was playing in the County Championship for Middlesex – but only one player who will be involved on Sunday faced him during that spell, and that was his compatriot Mohammad Rizwan.
Even now it takes him two hours to warm up for each game. But Shaheen’s participation in the World Cup was never in doubt. “Shaheen is Pakistan’s best bowler and if he has to play on one leg, he can play on one leg,” Masood told the Guardian. “And if he had one leg, Pakistan would still prefer him over anyone because he is one of the best bowlers in the world.”
He felt his way back into action across the opening two games of the World Cup, where his eight overs brought no wickets and cost 7.9 runs apiece – Pakistan lost them both – but has gathered momentum along with his side, taking 10 wickets across the next four games, while leaking just 5.27 runs an over, and he approaches the final close to his irresistible best.
Encouragingly, he is not alone in that. Like in 2019, when they thrashed Australia at Edgbaston in the 50-over tournament, England go into a World Cup final with confidence freshly inflated. And this time, after the stunning mauling of India in Adelaide on Thursday, they were actually allowed to enjoy it.
As England celebrated in Birmingham in 2019 their Australian coach, Trevor Bayliss, produced the mood-killing interjection that “that’s why Australians think the English can’t win anything – you’re celebrating winning the semi, real winners win the final”. This year a different Australian coach allowed the players to revel in the occasion.
“I never try and rein it in after a win like that,” Mott said. “I think you’ve got to enjoy that. That’s why you play the game, and you can enjoy it in its own sort of compartment and then move on. I think we did that pretty well. It was a good dressing room to hang out in, there were some nice scenes, guys sitting around and talking and chatting and reflecting on the game that we’ve all been pursuing for a while. There was a realisation we’ve still got unfinished business. We haven’t just come here to make the final, we’ve come here to win it, and I got a clear feeling that everyone was motivated to do that last night.”
These are circumstances Mott knows particularly well. Across 20- and 50-over formats he has already won three World Cups and this could be his second of the year, joining the one he led Australia’s women to in April. “I think in many ways the final is one to be enjoyed,” he said. “Sometimes you get more nervous in semi-finals, trying to get there, and the final is almost an opportunity to go out, have fun and may the best team win. You have to let the players enjoy it. Sometimes if you build it up too much, that fear of failure comes in.”
One of the most impressive things about the semi-final result was the number of injured players who were not required to achieve it, such as Jonny Bairstow, Jofra Archer, Reece Topley and the two most recent dropouts, Dawid Malan and Mark Wood. Malan and Wood will be assessed before the final but neither looks likely to be fit.
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It may be true that cricketers, unlike footballers for much of that sport’s history, have always been familiar with the key players of other major nations at World Cups, but this is something else. As Alex Hales put it, “both teams know each other like the back of our hands”.
Last week Shan Masood spoke of spending time during England’s seven-game T20 series in Pakistan in September with his future Yorkshire teammates Harry Brook, Dawid Malan and Adil Rashid. “I think that’s the beauty of the game,” he says. “It connects people, it connects everyone.”
This stage is set for an unusually friendly final. “There’s a lot of camaraderie, and a lot of respect between the coaching staffs as well,” says Matthew Mott, the England coach. “We’re known to each other pretty well. It’s not going to take anything away from on the field – both teams are going to go out there determined to do their best and win that World Cup final – but definitely the two teams mix very well.”
In all of this somehow Shaheen Afridi manages to be both Pakistan’s best-known threat and their secret weapon. The 22-year-old sustained a knee ligament injury in July that ruled him out of England’s 4-3 series victory in his homeland in September – he spent much of that time receiving specialist care in London – and he bowled only two overs when the teams met for a warm-up game in Brisbane on the eve of the tournament. He has not exactly hidden from the English of late – six months ago he was playing in the County Championship for Middlesex – but only one player who will be involved on Sunday faced him during that spell, and that was his compatriot Mohammad Rizwan.
Even now it takes him two hours to warm up for each game. But Shaheen’s participation in the World Cup was never in doubt. “Shaheen is Pakistan’s best bowler and if he has to play on one leg, he can play on one leg,” Masood told the Guardian. “And if he had one leg, Pakistan would still prefer him over anyone because he is one of the best bowlers in the world.”
He felt his way back into action across the opening two games of the World Cup, where his eight overs brought no wickets and cost 7.9 runs apiece – Pakistan lost them both – but has gathered momentum along with his side, taking 10 wickets across the next four games, while leaking just 5.27 runs an over, and he approaches the final close to his irresistible best.
Encouragingly, he is not alone in that. Like in 2019, when they thrashed Australia at Edgbaston in the 50-over tournament, England go into a World Cup final with confidence freshly inflated. And this time, after the stunning mauling of India in Adelaide on Thursday, they were actually allowed to enjoy it.
As England celebrated in Birmingham in 2019 their Australian coach, Trevor Bayliss, produced the mood-killing interjection that “that’s why Australians think the English can’t win anything – you’re celebrating winning the semi, real winners win the final”. This year a different Australian coach allowed the players to revel in the occasion.
“I never try and rein it in after a win like that,” Mott said. “I think you’ve got to enjoy that. That’s why you play the game, and you can enjoy it in its own sort of compartment and then move on. I think we did that pretty well. It was a good dressing room to hang out in, there were some nice scenes, guys sitting around and talking and chatting and reflecting on the game that we’ve all been pursuing for a while. There was a realisation we’ve still got unfinished business. We haven’t just come here to make the final, we’ve come here to win it, and I got a clear feeling that everyone was motivated to do that last night.”
These are circumstances Mott knows particularly well. Across 20- and 50-over formats he has already won three World Cups and this could be his second of the year, joining the one he led Australia’s women to in April. “I think in many ways the final is one to be enjoyed,” he said. “Sometimes you get more nervous in semi-finals, trying to get there, and the final is almost an opportunity to go out, have fun and may the best team win. You have to let the players enjoy it. Sometimes if you build it up too much, that fear of failure comes in.”
One of the most impressive things about the semi-final result was the number of injured players who were not required to achieve it, such as Jonny Bairstow, Jofra Archer, Reece Topley and the two most recent dropouts, Dawid Malan and Mark Wood. Malan and Wood will be assessed before the final but neither looks likely to be fit.
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Can’t call it.
Going to be a close one.
Going to be a close one.
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2004 was indeed a horrible choke. After achieving a huge upset against Australia in the semifinal and Pakistan losing to West Indies, it seemed inevitable that England would win the final. A total collapse once the West Indies tail starting playing their shots.
Champions Trophy 2013 is a harsh call. That English side with a top four of Cook, Bell, Trott and Root was ideal for a low scoring 50 over game.
The conditions were bowling-friendly in that tournament and England’s orthodox top-order handled the conditions well.
However, the odds were firmly against England when the match was reduced to a T20 game due to rain.
Chasing 130 in a T20 in difficult batting conditions can be tricky even today for specialist T20 players, and it certainly changed the odds of that match. It was a tough ask for that top-order especially in those conditions.
I do believe England would have won if it was a 50 over game.
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I think it will be an anti climax. Whoever wins, will completely demolish the other side. It wont be like the 2019 ODI final.
Definitely if it was 45-50 over match England would have won ( but luck stars did not shine )
But Pakistan’s defeat against West indies in 2004 SF left a very sour taste in mouth, pak took them very lightly.
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If Pak bat first
England will win by 7 wickets
If Eng bat first
England 52 runs victory
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England will win by 7 wickets
If Eng bat first
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Stats between England and Pakistan is interesting in the last 3 years
England's batting is at its best against Pakistan bowling more than any other side
Pakistan's bowling is at its worst against England more than any other side
England's batting is at its best against Pakistan bowling more than any other side
Pakistan's bowling is at its worst against England more than any other side
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In a knockout game, all stats are kind of irrelevant. Even an associate can pull off a win if it is a knockout (UAE beating Zimbabwe or Netherlands beating South Africa).
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Pakistan will win. The final act of qudrat ka nizam. I have become almost a believer.
You cannot handle defeat. Everyone knows that. Hence, the coping mechanism of constantly lowering your expectations to avoid disappointment
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England are simply too powerful
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I mean this won't decide the outcome. But it is quiet a coincidence.
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Brian Lara:
Ahead of the match, Lara and Sachin was both asked to make their prediction for the final in Melbourne. Lara picked Pakistan, while Sachin backed England owing to the ground dimensions of the MCG.
“I think Pakistan has the better team in terms of individual players. England has played very well structured cricket but I would like to see the trophy stay in Asia"
Sachin Tendulkar:
“I think looking at the ground dimensions, it's got to be England. I differ a little bit. yes, the momentum is with Pakistan. they are kind of peaking at the right time but maybe England might get them to play square of the wicket where in Melbourne, the boundaries are longer. The straighter boundaries are short. Each ground's dimension is different. In Adelaide you have short square boundaries and reasonably longer straight boundaries. So I have this feeling that upfront the new ball they will get to swing and later on, they will go short of length forcing them to play square of the ground"
https://www.hindustantimes.com/cric...rld-cup-final-prediction-101668241379884.html
Ahead of the match, Lara and Sachin was both asked to make their prediction for the final in Melbourne. Lara picked Pakistan, while Sachin backed England owing to the ground dimensions of the MCG.
“I think Pakistan has the better team in terms of individual players. England has played very well structured cricket but I would like to see the trophy stay in Asia"
Sachin Tendulkar:
“I think looking at the ground dimensions, it's got to be England. I differ a little bit. yes, the momentum is with Pakistan. they are kind of peaking at the right time but maybe England might get them to play square of the wicket where in Melbourne, the boundaries are longer. The straighter boundaries are short. Each ground's dimension is different. In Adelaide you have short square boundaries and reasonably longer straight boundaries. So I have this feeling that upfront the new ball they will get to swing and later on, they will go short of length forcing them to play square of the ground"
https://www.hindustantimes.com/cric...rld-cup-final-prediction-101668241379884.html
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You cannot handle defeat. Everyone knows that. Hence, the coping mechanism of constantly lowering your expectations to avoid disappointment
Maybe it started that way, but I genuinely don’t care anymore.
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As per reports, it is raining cats and dogs in Melbourne right now and I don’t think it is going to stop for the next 2-3 days. Grim situation.
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Saj spoke on BBC World Service about the upcoming game:
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Yes legendary. We are the only team to hold both world cups at the same time.
This England team is a legendary white ball team. Get over it.
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