Who will win the Premier League encounter at Old Trafford between Manchester United and Arsenal on 12th May 2024?

[Amjid Javed]

The problem you have now is that the logic and excuses you used to degrade and pummel Pakistan cricket achievements day in and day out, is the same logic and set of excuses you are now using to propel Arteta and Arsenal into some super stardom sphere. Not happening on this watch, which is why no one is paying much attention to you. Plus you have gone as far as ridiculing the Champions League tournament.

100% spot on - he makes up ridiculous logic as he goes along and applies it how he sees fits, then contradicts himself when applying same logic to a different team or individual.

For example Arteta is messiah, he has a statue in his game which he worships every day.

But the the PL is a poor league according to him.

A manager like Alonso needs to prove himself in a better league, he has to prove himself in CL.

Yet the CL and europa league don't matter when it comes to Arteta.

Then the icing on cake I put him on spot in regards to spurs and united games and he showed no faith. Then calls me saying I was wrong for saying it was tough to win both games. Different reasons given but essentially they same predicted outcome.

The gut just shoots himself in the foot again and again. It's actually hilarious

 

[Mamoon]

The fact you showed no confidence in Arsenal winning vs spurs & United and then chose to call out others.

Then again you don't learn your lesson and choose to call others ignorant.

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I will keep using this as evidence as your nothing more then a click bait merchant

Keep up with your fake cheerleading

The difference between you and me is that you are so confident in your ignorant and in your toxic agenda that you don't give people a chance.

For example, lets take Havertz. You have been critical of the signing since day one, you wrote him before giving him a chance and you spread vitriol 24/7. The end result was that you got owned and he proved you wrong.

On the other hand, I expected him to come good because he is a quality player and Arteta is a quality manager and it could work. However, I was open to the possibility that it might not. Transfers fail all the time, it is not the end of the world. Sometimes, it the wrong player at the wrong time or the right player at the wrong time.

But this a lesson for you. Don't be so confident in your ignorance and in your agendas that you put yourself in a position where you get called out for your nonsense.

Same goes with Arteta as well. You have been calling him a clueless fraud for years and have completely shut down the idea that Arsenal can win the PL under him. Eventually, when Arsenal do get over the line under him, be it this season or the next or at any point in the future, you will end up embarrassing yourself just like you embarrassed yourself over Havertz.

In fact, you have already embarrassed yourself over Arteta because you wanted him sacked in 2020 & 2021 because you claimed that Arsenal would never fight for the title under him, so he has already proved you wrong and you don't have the chops to admit it.

As far as beating both United and Spurs away are concerned, you have to understand that Arsenal were favorites for both games but you couldn't rule out dropped points either and it had nothing to do with the history this and that rubbish that you were harping about.

History has zero relevance in the present context when the set of players involved are not the same. What Arsenal have done at Old Trafford over the last 20-30 years has nothing to do with the current crop of players. If Arsenal were to drop points at both clubs, it would be because Spurs are a decent team and United have done well at home vs the top 6.

 

[Mamoon]

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4 trophyless seasons in a row is clubs best period in 20 years? Someone needs a slap of reality and needs to stop talking nonsense.

I have educated you on this a plethora of times but it appears that you cannot retain anything that you were taught.

Winning domestic cups when you are not competing for the title means absolutely nothing to the big clubs. The domestic cups is a cherry on top. Nothing more than that. The success or failure of a season for a big club is not determined by how they perform in domestic cups.

Arsenal won 4 FA Cups between 2014 and 2020 but the last two seasons have been much better than any of those FA Cup winning seasons because Arsenal have fought for the title in these two seasons and have looked the part and looked like a proper, big team for the first time since 2004-2005.

When Wenger won 3 FA Cups in his last 4 seasons, Arsenal fans, including yourself, still wanted him gone. Why? Simply because winning FA Cups but not fighting for the league title was just not good enough for a club like Arsenal. Your past negates your own argument because if winning trophies was all that you cared about and fighting for the title didn't mean anything to you, you would have been in the Wenger In camp in the 2014-2018 period but you were not.

Winning domestic cups but not fighting for the title shows a lack of direction and progression. It shows that the club has stumbled on winning a trophy based on winning a few knockout games but they are not going anywhere as a club.

Take United's example. They won the League Cup last season and are in the FA Cup final this season as well, but the club is going nowhere and Ten Hag will probably get sacked even if they win the FA Cup Final. However, if Ten Hag won nothing this season or the previous one but fought for the title, he would still be in the job and the fans would want him backed in the market so that he can take the team up a notch and win the league.

What would you choose?

A. Finishing second, fighting for the league, missing out on winning the league by a couple of points and not winning a trophy

OR

B. Finishing third/fourth/fifth, not fighting for the title or putting up a limp fight for a brief period, finishing 15-20 points behind the league winners and winning an FA/League Cup.

If you would choose B, there is something seriously wrong with you and you know nothing about football but we know that already.

 

[Mamoon]

The problem you have now is that the logic and excuses you used to degrade and pummel Pakistan cricket achievements day in and day out, is the same logic and set of excuses you are now using to propel Arteta and Arsenal into some super stardom sphere. Not happening on this watch, which is why no one is paying much attention to you.

There are no parallels between Pakistan cricket and Arsenal. Pakistan cricket lacks direction and progress, everything about Pakistan cricket is random which means the rare success a flash in the pan.

On the contrary, Arsenal under Arteta has been an outcome of a well thought, well planned project. Piece by piece, window by window, Arsenal have improved and assembled a squad that is now very close to becoming the best team in the country. When you look at how Arsenal played on both sides of the pitch in 2019 and the players that they had to how they play now and they players that they have, you cant help but admire the work Arteta has done unless you know nothing about football or are driving an agenda against him because he has already proved you wrong and done more than you expected him to do.

Plus you have gone as far as ridiculing the Champions League tournament.

I don't ridicule the UCL. I said that I would prefer winning the league over winning the UCL. To win the first division league, you have to be the best team in the country. You have to show consistency and accumulate more points than others over the course of the entire season. You cannot get away with a poor season but win 2-3 knockouts like you can in the UCL.

To win the UCL, you don't necessarily have to be the best team in your country or even the best team in Europe. For example, Chelsea winning the UCL in 2012 when they finished 6th and 25 pts behind the champions in their own league made a mockery of the UCL and exposed the flaws of knockout tournaments and how it fails to filter out poorly performing teams.

If Arsenal do not win, then it is an embarrassment, I mean winning the most number of games in a season (club record) yet not winning the title despite other teams regressing!

Finishing second while fighting for the title and going toe to toe with the champions is never embarrassing. Not to mention that Arsenal are up against FFP cheats who have spent more than Arsenal in the last 5 years even though Arsenal were rock bottom and City were already champions then.

Embarrassment is being Chelsea and United who are trailing Arsenal in spite of outspending them by a significant margin.

Embarrassment is being Liverpool and having your title challenge wilt away like a rose.

If we talk about you, embarrassment is claiming that Arsenal's title challenge would end on May 12 because United won't make it easy for Arsenal, then claiming that United deliberately under-performed because they don't want to give City advantage, to now laughably claiming that Spurs will throw the match vs City and if they do end up nicking something out of the game, which is unlikely but not impossible, you will claim that Arsenal fluked.

Anyway, you have been reduced to relying on Arsenal's arch rivals, Spurs, to do you a favour, tomorrow. This is the epitome of desperation, which is why there is a difference between a genuine fan and a genuine supporter, neither applies to you as you are an Arteta FanBoi.

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You don't understand how the league format works. Clueless as usual.

Let me educate you - in the league format, you are always relying on other results. If City beat Spurs today, it will yield the same number of points for City as one of their other 26 wins. Arsenal are not relying on Spurs to do them a favor.

It is about finishing with the highest points tally after 38 games, and Spurs getting points of City will be as much of a favor to Arsenal as all the other teams that have taken points of City earlier in the season, including Spurs who drew 3-3 at Etihad in December.

Spurs and others have not done Arsenal any favors by taking points of City. Just like Aston Villa, Fulham, West Ham and a host of other teams did not do a favor to City by taking points off.

 

[Mamoon]

There are no parallels between Pakistan cricket and Arsenal. Pakistan cricket lacks direction and progress, everything about Pakistan cricket is random which means the rare success a flash in the pan.

On the contrary, Arsenal under Arteta has been an outcome of a well thought, well planned project. Piece by piece, window by window, Arsenal have improved and assembled a squad that is now very close to becoming the best team in the country. When you look at how Arsenal played on both sides of the pitch in 2019 and the players that they had to how they play now and they players that they have, you cant help but admire the work Arteta has done unless you know nothing about football or are driving an agenda against him because he has already proved you wrong and done more than you expected him to do.

I don't ridicule the UCL. I said that I would prefer winning the league over winning the UCL. To win the first division league, you have to be the best team in the country. You have to show consistency and accumulate more points than others over the course of the entire season. You cannot get away with a poor season but win 2-3 knockouts like you can in the UCL.

To win the UCL, you don't necessarily have to be the best team in your country or even the best team in Europe. For example, Chelsea winning the UCL in 2012 when they finished 6th and 25 pts behind the champions in their own league made a mockery of the UCL and exposed the flaws of knockout tournaments and how it fails to filter out poorly performing teams.

Finishing second while fighting for the title and going toe to toe with the champions is never embarrassing. Not to mention that Arsenal are up against FFP cheats who have spent more than Arsenal in the last 5 years even though Arsenal were rock bottom and City were already champions then.

Embarrassment is being Chelsea and United who are trailing Arsenal in spite of outspending them by a significant margin.

Embarrassment is being Liverpool and having your title challenge wilt away like a rose.

If we talk about you, embarrassment is claiming that Arsenal's title challenge would end on May 12 because United won't make it easy for Arsenal, then claiming that United deliberately under-performed because they don't want to give City advantage, to now laughably claiming that Spurs will throw the match vs City and if they do end up nicking something out of the game, which is unlikely but not impossible, you will claim that Arsenal fluked.

You don't understand how the league format works. Clueless as usual.

Let me educate you - in the league format, you are always relying on other results. If City beat Spurs today, it will yield the same number of points for City as one of their other 26 wins. Arsenal are not relying on Spurs to do them a favor.

It is about finishing with the highest points tally after 38 games, and Spurs getting points of City will be as much of a favor to Arsenal as all the other teams that have taken points of City earlier in the season, including Spurs who drew 3-3 at Etihad in December.

Spurs and others have not done Arsenal any favors by taking points of City. Just like Aston Villa, Fulham, West Ham and a host of other teams did not do a favor to City by taking points off.

by taking points off Arsenal*

 

[Technics 1210]

There are no parallels between Pakistan cricket and Arsenal. Pakistan cricket lacks direction and progress, everything about Pakistan cricket is random which means the rare success a flash in the pan.

You are right, there are no parallels between Arsenal and Pakistan, but there is shed loads of hypocrisy and contraditions from you.

If only there was integrity and belief behind your flowery prose then you wouldn't be in this mess.

Of course why should you bother anyway, you never believed Arsenal would beat Man U.

As I said major problem for you now, your logic busted, and the sad thing is that IF Arsenal win the title, then you will be celebrating on your own.

 

[Mamoon]

You will learn next week when Spurs underperform vs City, to deny Arsenal any chance.

Thank you for once again proving that you have no clue about football, but to be fair, we have interacted on a multitude of topics and you don’t have a clue about anything.

Spurs showed 100% commitment and effort today. It was one of their better performances in recent times, but City’s superior quality shone through.

As I educated you the other day, there is a difference between fan mentality and motivations and that of the players and managers.

All the silly narratives that Spurs will roll over for City to hurt Arsenal proved to be a joke.

 

[Technics 1210]

Thank you for once again proving that you have no clue about football, but to be fair, we have interacted on a multitude of topics and you don’t have a clue about anything.

Spurs showed 100% commitment and effort today. It was one of their better performances in recent times, but City’s superior quality shone through.

As I educated you the other day, there is a difference between fan mentality and motivations and that of the players and managers.

All the silly narratives that Spurs will roll over for City to hurt Arsenal proved to be a joke.

I hope you have made contingency plans. Your celebrations and essays may have to be put on hold for another season.

Laughing at Spurs showed 100% commitment today. You must have been watching a different match.

 

[Kroll]

Hard luck Gooner fans, now you know what it feels like us Liverpool fans. Don't be too hard on yourselves, its normal when you're up against a Pep team. Take solace from the fact its still not all over.

#TiTlEsInThEbAg

 

[Mamoon]

I hope you have made contingency plans. Your celebrations and essays may have to be put on hold for another season.

Laughing at Spurs showed 100% commitment today. You must have been watching a different match.

We were either watching different matches or you were watching the match with your eyes closed.

Ange and the players left everything on the pitch today and you have to respect their efforts considering the fact that almost 90% of the Spurs fans in attendance were rooting for City, but this was expected from their fans.

No wonder Ange lost it at the Spurs fans sitting behind him and his post match comments said it all.