Who wins a 5-match T20I series between Pakistan and India right now?

[Shoaib88]

You should thank Misbah for making you bumping threads and you can boast.

Absolute pathetic team selection. Misbah thanks for this embarrassment

seriously dont understand why so many people here hated micky arthur so much, he turned things around for use so quickly and drastically. He actually made pakistan a extremely competitive side in white ball cricket. Now I have to agree with Mamoon, we deserve this humiliation.

 

[Hyperion66]

We would probably field our C team and still win comfortably.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Only Babar and Aamir can make it into Indian T20 side.

Babbar may be yes.

But Aamir? Will he replace Bumrah or Shami?

 

[DRsohail]

Babbar may be yes.

But Aamir? Will he replace Bumrah or Shami?

Shami is not playing t20 and he is mot that great in t20, anyways he can be played if even both play.

 

[Nov15]

Pakistan will win 5-0

 

[Mesozoic]

Babbar may be yes.

But Aamir? Will he replace Bumrah or Shami?

Shami doesn't play T20 for India.

Amir and Bhuvi are at the same level so he may find a place.

 

[Hyperion66]

Shami is not playing t20 and he is mot that great in t20, anyways he can be played if even both play.

Shami is an out and out wicket taker and even more aggressive than Bumrah, he may go for runs sometime but we have Bhuvi and Bumrah to balance it out.

 

[Mamoon]

3-0 lead over a strong New Zealand in New Zealand in a 5 match series.

India is the real number 1 T20I side in the world, and only England perhaps can beat them over a 5 match series.

Pakistan will be smashed. We will be lucky to even win 1 match.

 

[KingKhan12]

3-0 lead over a strong New Zealand in New Zealand in a 5 match series.

India is the real number 1 T20I side in the world, and only England perhaps can beat them over a 5 match series.

Pakistan will be smashed. We will be lucky to even win 1 match.

Why you so obsessed with Pakistan being number 1. Give it a break. Every comment of yours is just all about negativity. If you hate Pakistan so much then don't talk about them. Move out of Pakistan and live your life with the likes of Tarak Fateh and Adnan Sami.
By keep repeating same thing it won't change the fact which is Pakistan are number 1 in T20s in the rankings and they beat India and won the Champions Trophy which according to you is a fluke just like Pakistan beating the so called best ODI team England in the World Cup and Champions Trophy.

 

[Mesozoic]

3-0 lead over a strong New Zealand in New Zealand in a 5 match series.

India is the real number 1 T20I side in the world, and only England perhaps can beat them over a 5 match series.

Pakistan will be smashed. We will be lucky to even win 1 match.

Come on man. New Zealand is not that good a T20 team to be honest. If I'm not wrong, Pakistan won their last series here too.

England and West Indies at full strength are still much better than us. We don't have proper hitters down the order and now lack a genuine spinner as well. Jadeja won't work for long.

 

[Kingpin786]

Come on man. New Zealand is not that good a T20 team to be honest. If I'm not wrong, Pakistan won their last series here too.

England and West Indies at full strength are still much better than us. We don't have proper hitters down the order and now lack a genuine spinner as well. Jadeja won't work for long.

the nz team is missing boult and ferguson pakistan defeated nz with boult and ferguson

 

[jnaveen1980]

the nz team is missing boult and ferguson pakistan defeated nz with boult and ferguson

India defeated NZ with Thakur and Dubey

 

[Rana]

India defeated NZ with Thakur and Dubey

India is a good team. These guys are good players to represent India

 

[The lone Ranger]

the nz team is missing boult and ferguson pakistan defeated nz with boult and ferguson

but were whitewashed in the odis. India defeated them by 4-1 with boult and ferguson in the team.

 

[Mesozoic]

the nz team is missing boult and ferguson pakistan defeated nz with boult and ferguson

Don't think Ferguson was playing that series.

 

[Rana]

Don't think Ferguson was playing that series.

Furguson banging it in short is asking for trouble on those Micky mouse boundaries. Boult is a seriously good bowler

 

[Mamoon]

Pakistan vs India T20 series would be a repeat telecast of the Asia Cup humiliation.

One-off fluke wins can happen, but for Pakistan to compete with India over a series, India will have to rest 4-5 main players for Pakistan to push them.

As we saw in the Asia Cup, even a Kohli-less India is far too strong for Pakistan as long as the other main players are playing.

 

[Ozeirk]

In subcontinent pitches India may have an advantage however outside of Asian it's anyone's game. As a matter of fact Pakistan will be a difficult opponent for India on English type pitches where the Indian spinners might not be as effective. Also, Shaheen and Amir will keep India at bay as I don't believe Indian batters on those pitches will be able to dominate them. Pakistan historically does well against India in bilateral series. Even if Pakistan is to lose the first game I expect to learn very quickly from their defeat.

I expect Pakistan to raise their game against India.

 

[Mamoon]

In subcontinent pitches India may have an advantage however outside of Asian it's anyone's game. As a matter of fact Pakistan will be a difficult opponent for India on English type pitches where the Indian spinners might not be as effective. Also, Shaheen and Amir will keep India at bay as I don't believe Indian batters on those pitches will be able to dominate them. Pakistan historically does well against India in bilateral series. Even if Pakistan is to lose the first game I expect to learn very quickly from their defeat.

I expect Pakistan to raise their game against India.

Historically Pakistan have done well in bilateral series because the gap between the sides was not that big.

The only reason Pakistan still enjoys head to head superiority in ODIs and Tests is because we have only played 1 ODI series in the last decade and zero Tests.

As far as T20Is are concerned, we have only beaten India once in 13 years and counting.

In England conditions, the same set of players have been thrashed twice by India. We trashed them in the Champions Trophy final, but if we were to play India in 10 ODIs in England, India would surely win 7-8.

They are a vastly superior side in all formats in all conditions.

 

[IMMY69]

This one would be slightly difficult to call. India could end up wining a couple of games as the shorter format tends to help the weaker teams. Still over a 5 match series, Pakistan should come out on top.

 

[silentkiller187]

This one would be slightly difficult to call. India could end up wining a couple of games as the shorter format tends to help the weaker teams. Still over a 5 match series, Pakistan should come out on top.

haha brilliant, all this negativity you would think we were 10th in the ranking.

 

[Ozeirk]

Historically Pakistan have done well in bilateral series because the gap between the sides was not that big.

The only reason Pakistan still enjoys head to head superiority in ODIs and Tests is because we have only played 1 ODI series in the last decade and zero Tests.

As far as T20Is are concerned, we have only beaten India once in 13 years and counting.

In England conditions, the same set of players have been thrashed twice by India. We trashed them in the Champions Trophy final, but if we were to play India in 10 ODIs in England, India would surely win 7-8.

They are a vastly superior side in all formats in all conditions.

What was the outcome of that one bilateral series that Pakistan played against India at their home?
Indian team on paper was a much superior team and we didn't have Amir and Asif playing that series.

Whoever has followed India Pakistan cricket over the years knows Pakistan has always come out as a better team whenever they played against India in bilateral or trilateral series. We all hear that India was a horrible team in 90s but we tend to forget they had players like Tendulkar, Srinath and Dravid who would do well against teams other than Pakistan. Pakistan would always raise their game against India when they played even if they were going through a slump and use that as an opportunity to come out of it.

I think the dynamics really change between India and Pakistan once they start playing each other regularly. Pakistan loses many matches due to small mistakes at the end of the day. They drop catches, batsmen get out playing stupid shots. If we can counter those small issues Pakistan can be a tough opponent. We saw in the world Cup how a team who lost 11 matches in a row picked up their game when the world Cup started.

 

[Titan24]

As far as T20Is are concerned, we have only beaten India once in 13 years and counting.

Only 8 T20 have been played in those 13 years in which one was a tie (Decided on bolwers hitting the stumps) and one was one by Pakistan. Last 3 were played between 2014-2016 and Pak was struggling big time in white ball cricket and Pak became a better T20 side post 2016 when they achieved the no 1 ranking.

Overall there is no doubt that India is a better team across the formats at the moment but I think looking at the T20s from the past isnt the best criteria to judge when there hasnt been a match in last 4 years in which Pak was doing well in the format.

 

[Mesozoic]

Pakistan will easily clean sweep India 5-0. Is that even a question ? They are number 1 for a reason and we are no.5. Except Kohli, no Indian player will get into the Pak 11. We can only fluke a win if Imad, Shadab, Rizwan, Iftikhar, Hasnain and Ahsan Ali collectively have a total meltdown. Humiliation awaits India in the Asia cup T20.

 

[Mamoon]

What was the outcome of that one bilateral series that Pakistan played against India at their home?
Indian team on paper was a much superior team and we didn't have Amir and Asif playing that series.

Whoever has followed India Pakistan cricket over the years knows Pakistan has always come out as a better team whenever they played against India in bilateral or trilateral series. We all hear that India was a horrible team in 90s but we tend to forget they had players like Tendulkar, Srinath and Dravid who would do well against teams other than Pakistan. Pakistan would always raise their game against India when they played even if they were going through a slump and use that as an opportunity to come out of it.

I think the dynamics really change between India and Pakistan once they start playing each other regularly. Pakistan loses many matches due to small mistakes at the end of the day. They drop catches, batsmen get out playing stupid shots. If we can counter those small issues Pakistan can be a tough opponent. We saw in the world Cup how a team who lost 11 matches in a row picked up their game when the world Cup started.

Pakistan and England caught India at the right time in 2012-2013. We beat them in India in ODIs while England capitalized and beat them in Tests.

2012-13 was the worst period for Indian cricket in the last decade. Players like Tendulkar, Sehwag, Gambhir, Yuvraj, Zaheer etc. were over the hill, and their young players except Kohli (who was yet to hit his peak) were not ready. Basically, India were reliant on two players at that time - Dhoni and Kohli.

When Pakistan beat them in the ODI series, we had a relatively settled side. Nasir Jamshed was in his purple patch and he had formed a good opening combination with Hafeez. In the bowling we had the likes of Junaid in his purple patch and Irfan who was also in his prime, and not to forget Ajmal who was at the peak of his chucking.

In the ODI series that we beat India, they were opening with a washed up Sehwag and Gambhir and a washed up Yuvraj in the middle-order. There was no Dhawan and Rohit was still batting in the middle-order and looked like a player with a bleak future.

In the bowling department, the likes of Shami and Bhuvneshwar were making their debuts and Dinda was one of their main bowlers.

Pakistan have done better than India in bilateral cricket historically, but that was a different Pakistan. We still had plenty of top players like Wasim, Saeed Anwar, Inzamam, Mohammad Yousuf, Afridi (far better than Shadab), Akhtar, Waqar, Saqlain etc. All of these players would walk into the current Pakistan team with their eyes closed.

Today, the gap between Pakistan and India is the widest in history. Apart from Babar Azam and maybe Shaheen, we don’t have a single player who would get into the Indian team in any format. India is simply a far better side and Pakistan cannot beat them over the series.

The dynamics between Pakistan and India will not change by regular cricket but will change if Pakistan closes the gap with India. In the 2017-2018 period, these two sides played 4 ODIs and 3 of them were one-sided victories for India.

They are just too far ahead of us at the moment.

 

[Mamoon]

Only 8 T20 have been played in those 13 years in which one was a tie (Decided on bolwers hitting the stumps) and one was one by Pakistan. Last 3 were played between 2014-2016 and Pak was struggling big time in white ball cricket and Pak became a better T20 side post 2016 when they achieved the no 1 ranking.

Overall there is no doubt that India is a better team across the formats at the moment but I think looking at the T20s from the past isnt the best criteria to judge when there hasnt been a match in last 4 years in which Pak was doing well in the format.

I agree, but a simple comparison between the two sides in terms of personnel clearly indicates that India is comfortably better. Apart from Babar and perhaps Shaheen, no Pakistani player gets into the Indian side in any format. We can say that Imad is the best T20 spinner, but there is virtually no chance of India preferring him to someone like Jadeja, who is easily a better all-round cricketer.

 

[KingKhan12]

Pakistan will easily clean sweep India 5-0. Is that even a question ? They are number 1 for a reason and we are no.5. Except Kohli, no Indian player will get into the Pak 11. We can only fluke a win if Imad, Shadab, Rizwan, Iftikhar, Hasnain and Ahsan Ali collectively have a total meltdown. Humiliation awaits India in the Asia cup T20.

Don't know why you need to get all sarcastic when has anyone said no Indian player can't get into Pakistan side. We all know Indian team is a superior to Pakistan. Its Mamoons trolling and repeating same comment for the past 2 years we are responding.
Pakistan has worked hard over the years and won series after series which included beating Mamoons England boys and are rightly made it to the number 1 ranked team in T20s. They are on a blip for past year now and need to rebuild and get the winning formula back.
But to say Pakistan fluked it to getting to number 1 ranked position and fluked it to win the Champions Trophy is just sour grapes.

We won series against India in past with bowlers like Rana Naveed and batsmen like Nasir Jamshed getting player of the series in the past so don't go by big player names.

Check bilateral series history.
In ODIs Pakistan has won 11 and India just 5.
T20 only 1 series played and eas drawn.
Test series 4-4.

Yes India has been beating Pakistan consistently over the years now in one off games in tournaments and are a better side and most likely would beat Pakistan in a bilateral series too but record says it all when last ODI series was played we had likes of Nasir Jamshed, Younis, Misbah, Junaid, Irfan vs likes of Gambir, Sehwag, Kohli, Rohit, Dhoni, Ashwin. On paper India was much better and just coming of winning the world cup but still Pakistan managed to win the series.

 

[Mamoon]

Some people still have the gall to think that Pakistan can beat India when Sri Lanka embarrassed us 3-0 at home. Yes of course, we were without the services of Hall of Famers like Hafeez and Malik.

When it comes to being delusional, we are easily ranked number 1 in the world.

 

[silentkiller187]

Some people still have the gall to think that Pakistan can beat India when Sri Lanka embarrassed us 3-0 at home. Yes of course, we were without the services of Hall of Famers like Hafeez and Malik.

When it comes to being delusional, we are easily ranked number 1 in the world.

When it comes to T20 we are also ranked number 1 in the world, so id take both tittles.

 

[Mahee]

Pakistan would win it 4-1 ...if luck favours, it could be 5-0 too

 

[KingKhan12]

Pakistan and England caught India at the right time in 2012-2013. We beat them in India in ODIs while England capitalized and beat them in Tests.

2012-13 was the worst period for Indian cricket in the last decade. Players like Tendulkar, Sehwag, Gambhir, Yuvraj, Zaheer etc. were over the hill, and their young players except Kohli (who was yet to hit his peak) were not ready. Basically, India were reliant on two players at that time - Dhoni and Kohli.

When Pakistan beat them in the ODI series, we had a relatively settled side. Nasir Jamshed was in his purple patch and he had formed a good opening combination with Hafeez. In the bowling we had the likes of Junaid in his purple patch and Irfan who was also in his prime, and not to forget Ajmal who was at the peak of his chucking.

In the ODI series that we beat India, they were opening with a washed up Sehwag and Gambhir and a washed up Yuvraj in the middle-order. There was no Dhawan and Rohit was still batting in the middle-order and looked like a player with a bleak future.

In the bowling department, the likes of Shami and Bhuvneshwar were making their debuts and Dinda was one of their main bowlers.

Pakistan have done better than India in bilateral cricket historically, but that was a different Pakistan. We still had plenty of top players like Wasim, Saeed Anwar, Inzamam, Mohammad Yousuf, Afridi (far better than Shadab), Akhtar, Waqar, Saqlain etc. All of these players would walk into the current Pakistan team with their eyes closed.

Today, the gap between Pakistan and India is the widest in history. Apart from Babar Azam and maybe Shaheen, we don’t have a single player who would get into the Indian team in any format. India is simply a far better side and Pakistan cannot beat them over the series.

The dynamics between Pakistan and India will not change by regular cricket but will change if Pakistan closes the gap with India. In the 2017-2018 period, these two sides played 4 ODIs and 3 of them were one-sided victories for India.

They are just too far ahead of us at the moment.

Love your excuses to defend the Indian team and downplay Pakistans win in India.
We can say same thing India are lucky over the past years they caught us with us having washed up players and players not ready lol. But we not like you Mamoon that make excuses and have sour grapes.

 

[KingKhan12]

Some people still have the gall to think that Pakistan can beat India when Sri Lanka embarrassed us 3-0 at home. Yes of course, we were without the services of Hall of Famers like Hafeez and Malik.

When it comes to being delusional, we are easily ranked number 1 in the world.

When Pakistan were winning series over series you was saying they lucky teams are not taking T20s seriously and Pakistan fluking wins. So Pakistan loses to Sri Lanka and its end of the world and Mamoon who has been getting hurt and waited 2 years or so for Pakistan to lose badly in T20s so he can come out trolling.
We all know Sri Lanka won 3 nil thanks to Misbahs stupid experiments. But now we beat Bangladesh but oh they didn't have Bradman Mushfiqur and Sobers Shakib.

 

[Mamoon]

Love your excuses to defend the Indian team and downplay Pakistans win in India.
We can say same thing India are lucky over the past years they caught us with us having washed up players and players not ready lol. But we not like you Mamoon that make excuses and have sour grapes.

These are not excuses. Pakistan’s bad patch is never-ending.

India’s bad patch only lasted for a few months in 2012-13, and then they recovered in time for the Champions Trophy and went all the way. Since June 2013, they have consistently been among the elite sides in the world in all formats, and the best Test team in the world for about 3-4 years now.

When Pakistan won the Champions Trophy and then whitewashed Sri Lanka, our delusional fans starting doing bhangra over how this is the start of a new golden era of Pakistan cricket, and how we have got rid of the washed up Misbah tuk tuk era players and replaced them with the likes of Babar, Fakhar, Shadab, Hasan, Faheem etc. Apart from Babar, none of them have gone onto prove themselves as top players.

The arrogance among our fans during the 2017-18 period was hysterical, but then the Asia Cup happened in Sept 2018 when a Kohli-less India embarrassed in the UAE.

Had the Asia Cup and 2019 World Cup match not happened, our resident delusional folks would still be hanging onto the Champions Trophy Final and claiming that our so-called new age PSL superstars would smash India.

 

[Yati]

Who cares they won't get to play a series anyway. stop thinking about hypothetical games. worry about the teams they will actually play against.

 

[Ahson8]

India would wipe this team, however our 2018 side would have put up a good fight

 

[Nikhil_cric]

The shorter the format, the better Pakistan performs. Pakistan are a dangerous t 20 side especially in tournaments. All they need is one knock by the likes of fakhar or Babar or sharjeel to knock one paced teams like India out and even spinners like shadab will look like world beaters. India can't overcome such teams who play with such jazba and aggression.

Us Indians should thank our lucky stars that 5 overs a side cricket has not become a reality yet . Otherwise we'd get pounded every match we play against Pakistan . Long live tests and ODIs!

 

[KingKhan12]

These are not excuses. Pakistan’s bad patch is never-ending.

India’s bad patch only lasted for a few months in 2012-13, and then they recovered in time for the Champions Trophy and went all the way. Since June 2013, they have consistently been among the elite sides in the world in all formats, and the best Test team in the world for about 3-4 years now.

When Pakistan won the Champions Trophy and then whitewashed Sri Lanka, our delusional fans starting doing bhangra over how this is the start of a new golden era of Pakistan cricket, and how we have got rid of the washed up Misbah tuk tuk era players and replaced them with the likes of Babar, Fakhar, Shadab, Hasan, Faheem etc. Apart from Babar, none of them have gone onto prove themselves as top players.

The arrogance among our fans during the 2017-18 period was hysterical, but then the Asia Cup happened in Sept 2018 when a Kohli-less India embarrassed in the UAE.

Had the Asia Cup and 2019 World Cup match not happened, our resident delusional folks would still be hanging onto the Champions Trophy Final and claiming that our so-called new age PSL superstars would smash India.

I still remember this forum when Pakistan won the Champions Trophy and hardly anyone over hyped things like you make it out. Some fans went other the top with celebrations as all the talk before by some Indians calling Pakistan as beta. So the fans gave it back to them after that win but no one over hyped like you make it out to be. And you was the most upset as since then its only you that has mentioned about the Champions trophy over and over again since and can't get over it as your so hurt by it.

 

[silentkiller187]

Certain posters have been spouting the same rubbish since 2012, waiting for pakistan to fail just so they can say i told you so. Every time Pakistan lose all i hear is they deserved it they are rubbish bla bla, every time they win all i hear is fluke this and fluke that and the opposition were not good for whatever reason. Ive never seen someone so hurt by anything Pakistan do, don't take it personally guys, if you don't want to support Pakistan don't support them, go and support India, if Pakistan's bad patch is never ending then it actually means we are over-achieving by being so competitive in test and odi and being number 1 in t20, it doesn't add up?

 

[IAJ]

Let’s put it this way: It’s sort of OK the teams are not playing eachother regurlarly

 

[KingKhan12]

Certain posters have been spouting the same rubbish since 2012, waiting for pakistan to fail just so they can say i told you so. Every time Pakistan lose all i hear is they deserved it they are rubbish bla bla, every time they win all i hear is fluke this and fluke that and the opposition were not good for whatever reason. Ive never seen someone so hurt by anything Pakistan do, don't take it personally guys, if you don't want to support Pakistan don't support them, go and support India, if Pakistan's bad patch is never ending then it actually means we are over-achieving by being so competitive in test and odi and being number 1 in t20, it doesn't add up?

Well said. In our bad patch winning the Champions Trophy, getting to number 1 ranking in T20s and being competitive in Tests like going to England and drawing series. Before haters start talking about the Australia series we have always got a hammering their even when we was in our better patch with world class players.

 

[Mesozoic]

We won series against India in past with bowlers like Rana Naveed and batsmen like Nasir Jamshed getting player of the series in the past so don't go by big player names.

Check bilateral series history.
In ODIs Pakistan has won 11 and India just 5.
T20 only 1 series played and eas drawn.
Test series 4-4.

Yes India has been beating Pakistan consistently over the years now in one off games in tournaments and are a better side and most likely would beat Pakistan in a bilateral series too but record says it all when last ODI series was played we had likes of Nasir Jamshed, Younis, Misbah, Junaid, Irfan vs likes of Gambir, Sehwag, Kohli, Rohit, Dhoni, Ashwin. On paper India was much better and just coming of winning the world cup but still Pakistan managed to win the series.

India won an ODI Tri series in Austraia beating them in a best of 3 finals back in 2008. That Australian team were the world champions and had Ponting, Gilchrist, Hayden, Symonds, Hussey, Clarke, Lee, Johnson etc and we had the likes of Piyush Chawla, Uthappa, Sreesanth, Praveen Kumar etc. I hope you got the point i am trying to make here.

There will be times when top teams get filled with over the hill players , who are way past their primes. These teams can even lose to half decent teams and Pakistan was a one of the better odi teams during 2012-13. They had won the Asia cup that year and would go on to win the odi series in SAF. They possessed a world class bowling attack in peak Gul, Junaid, Irfan and two potent spin bowlers in Ajmal and Hafeez. Batting as well was pretty strong with Jamshed and Hafeez being in the form of their lives and a middle order of Younis, Misbah, Umar Akmal etc. OTOH India were playing with atleast 4 washed up players and a couple of debutants. As Mamoon said , Pak and Eng toured India at the exact right time and both left with memorable series wins.

Using that as a reference and saying that Pak would compete against India even now in bilaterals is quite dumb. Right now, we do not have any washed up players and the team is pretty much at their peak. Pak will find it tough to even compete unless we have a collective meltdown of sorts like the CT final .

 

[sweep_shot]

I think if both sides play 5-match T20I series now, India should win 3-2 (or even 4-1). It also depends on where the game takes place.

 

[Rudi hater]

India is ranked number 2 right below Pakistan in T20 rankings. But we know rankings don’t always tell the complete story. The story has been pretty much the same in recent years. You’d have to give the edge to Pakistan’s bowling, and India clearly takes the edge with their batting. That makes the contest really compelling at the moment. I can see either side taking the series. What would be your prediction if both sides were to compete in a 5 match T20 series right now?

I guess the answer is if they play we will find out.

 

[Sunny_majoka]

Some people still have the gall to think that Pakistan can beat India when Sri Lanka embarrassed us 3-0 at home. Yes of course, we were without the services of Hall of Famers like Hafeez and Malik.

When it comes to being delusional, we are easily ranked number 1 in the world.

It hurts when you use "us" or "we" for Pak team.
On topic.
Any team can hit bad patch and that was Pakistan's bad patch they were in rebuilding process, but now again they are back on track.

 

[Mamoon]

It hurts when you use "us" or "we" for Pak team.
On topic.
Any team can hit bad patch and that was Pakistan's bad patch they were in rebuilding process, but now again they are back on track.

Pakistan is not on track. We are still an awful side. We heard this “back on track” nonsense after the Champions Trophy as well.

 

[Rana]

Pakistan is not on track. We are still an awful side. We heard this “back on track” nonsense after the Champions Trophy as well.

I mean what would you like them to do? When they do win its a fluke so what exactly do they do to stay n track?

 

[Mamoon]

I still remember this forum when Pakistan won the Champions Trophy and hardly anyone over hyped things like you make it out. Some fans went other the top with celebrations as all the talk before by some Indians calling Pakistan as beta. So the fans gave it back to them after that win but no one over hyped like you make it out to be. And you was the most upset as since then its only you that has mentioned about the Champions trophy over and over again since and can't get over it as your so hurt by it.

No, our fans did go overboard during the 2017-18 period and thought they were the best in the world because of the Champions Trophy fluke.

People brushed aside the New Zealand whitewash in Jan 2018 as a one-off and blamed our lack of preparation rather than our lack of quality.

Our fans were also expecting Pakistan to win the Asia Cup and thought they would easily brush India aside especially without Kohli.

We kept hearing the nonsense that the Champions Trophy final was a turning point and the so-called PSL superstars like Fakhar, Shadab, Hasan etc. will not fear ne underwhelmed against and dominate them.

All of those delusions came crashing down when not only India but also Bangladesh humiliated us in the Asia Cup, and our fans came crashing down to earth.

 

[Rana]

TBF it could be that India would win 5-0 or 4-1. Pakistan will lose confidence if they lose the 1st T20 and will lose the remaining 4.

In a 5 match series, Pakistan will only put all of their efforts and resources to stun India in the first of the 5 games.You can bet your house that India will come back hard in the next game and continue the assault in the remainder. Also our fans and Media will put insurmountable pressure on our players during this rough period.

 

[Mamoon]

I mean what would you like them to do? When they do win its a fluke so what exactly do they do to stay n track?

Beat top sides with consistency. After winning the Champions Trophy, winning in New Zealand and beating India in the Asia Cup would have proved our ascendency and showed that we are on the right track.

However, we followed the Champions Trophy by getting whitewashed in New Zealand and then got humiliated by India in the Asia Cup.

It proved that we were not on the right track.

 

[Test lover]

4-1 to India

 

[Test lover]

Anyone know format of this year Asia cup T20??

 

[Rana]

No, our fans did go overboard during the 2017-18 period and thought they were the best in the world because of the Champions Trophy fluke.

People brushed aside the New Zealand whitewash in Jan 2018 as a one-off and blamed our lack of preparation rather than our lack of quality.

Our fans were also expecting Pakistan to win the Asia Cup and thought they would easily brush India aside especially without Kohli.

We kept hearing the nonsense that the Champions Trophy final was a turning point and the so-called PSL superstars like Fakhar, Shadab, Hasan etc. will not fear ne underwhelmed against and dominate them.

All of those delusions came crashing down when not only India but also Bangladesh humiliated us in the Asia Cup, and our fans came crashing down to earth.

But then Pakistan comprehensively beat England, New Zealand and South Africa in the World cup. They should have actually beaten Australia also. These are teams that are known to have our number during the 4 year period after the world cup. But the 1 game in the 4 years where they need to turn up, they did try and lost on the world stage. Pakistan have beaten the monster England world champions side twice in ICC tournaments in England between 2017 and 2019

Once a fluke, twice? I think not. Why do New Zealand always choke against Pakistan during the ICC tournaments? Why does South Africa always seem to be the stepping stone for Pakistan to surge forth with a renewed confidence? These are traditions, not flukes as you would describe them.

 

[KingKhan12]

No, our fans did go overboard during the 2017-18 period and thought they were the best in the world because of the Champions Trophy fluke.

People brushed aside the New Zealand whitewash in Jan 2018 as a one-off and blamed our lack of preparation rather than our lack of quality.

Our fans were also expecting Pakistan to win the Asia Cup and thought they would easily brush India aside especially without Kohli.

We kept hearing the nonsense that the Champions Trophy final was a turning point and the so-called PSL superstars like Fakhar, Shadab, Hasan etc. will not fear ne underwhelmed against and dominate them.

All of those delusions came crashing down when not only India but also Bangladesh humiliated us in the Asia Cup, and our fans came crashing down to earth.

Lol stop fooling yourself. No one said Pakistan are the best in the World. Just because it hurt you to see Pakistan beat India and win the Champions Trophy which proved you wrong you still hurt and bring it up every time.
No one was expecting this or that it's just in your imaginary brain that comes up with all this that Pakistani fans thought this or that.

And yes some did go over board but that was just with celebrations not about we are the best team in the world. And those celebrations were rightly overboard by some after you and some of your Indians were hyping and saying Pakistan will get thrashed and all that Baap-Beta crap. Just because Pakistan won you couldn't digest Pakistani fans celebrating and till today that Pakistan win hurts you deeply. Get over it now please we in 2020.

 

[Hyperion66]

This Indian team is one of the most consistent teams, all format combined, in the history of this game, I don't need to look at stats and spreadsheets to share this fact. Only thing missing is silverwares, which will eventually come I believe. On the other hand I will refrain from commenting on the sorry state of current Pak team, I don't wanna hurt feelings today, the less said about them the better, there is no comparison whatsoever, the gap is just humongous.

 

[KingKhan12]

India won an ODI Tri series in Austraia beating them in a best of 3 finals back in 2008. That Australian team were the world champions and had Ponting, Gilchrist, Hayden, Symonds, Hussey, Clarke, Lee, Johnson etc and we had the likes of Piyush Chawla, Uthappa, Sreesanth, Praveen Kumar etc. I hope you got the point i am trying to make here.

There will be times when top teams get filled with over the hill players , who are way past their primes. These teams can even lose to half decent teams and Pakistan was a one of the better odi teams during 2012-13. They had won the Asia cup that year and would go on to win the odi series in SAF. They possessed a world class bowling attack in peak Gul, Junaid, Irfan and two potent spin bowlers in Ajmal and Hafeez. Batting as well was pretty strong with Jamshed and Hafeez being in the form of their lives and a middle order of Younis, Misbah, Umar Akmal etc. OTOH India were playing with atleast 4 washed up players and a couple of debutants. As Mamoon said , Pak and Eng toured India at the exact right time and both left with memorable series wins.

Using that as a reference and saying that Pak would compete against India even now in bilaterals is quite dumb. Right now, we do not have any washed up players and the team is pretty much at their peak. Pak will find it tough to even compete unless we have a collective meltdown of sorts like the CT final .

I'm not using that as a reference that Pakistan would compete. And I agree India is a better team overall then Pakistan right now but to say Pakistan can't even compete is quite dumb.

And regarding that series you think a middle order of Misbah, Younis who was a very poor ODI batsmen in his career and Umar Akmal were even close to Yuvraj who just hit a 70 ball 30 and the Indian team were world champions.
[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] mentioned Gambhir was over the hill and you agree. Same Gambhir who was named in the ICC ODI team of the year in 2012 so their goes his usual lies. Dhoni wasn't washed up was still at his peak, their was Ashwin, Raina, Sehwag who just a year before was one of the top batsmen in ODIS with over 50 average and 100+ strike rate.

And Pakistan with World Class bowling attack. Irfan was just starting up his career and a no body. Junaid wasn't nothing and it was only Ajmal that was a decent bowler.

 

[Mamoon]

But then Pakistan comprehensively beat England, New Zealand and South Africa in the World cup. They should have actually beaten Australia also. These are teams that are known to have our number during the 4 year period after the world cup. But the 1 game in the 4 years where they need to turn up, they did try and lost on the world stage. Pakistan have beaten the monster England world champions side twice in ICC tournaments in England between 2017 and 2019

Once a fluke, twice? I think not. Why do New Zealand always choke against Pakistan during the ICC tournaments? Why does South Africa always seem to be the stepping stone for Pakistan to surge forth with a renewed confidence? These are traditions, not flukes as you would describe them.

How many matches did England win against Pakistan prior to the World Cup? New Zealand won 6 out of 8 ODIs (1 N/R) before the World Cup.

Those were one-off games. England and New Zealand ultimately showed their superior quality by winning the World Cup and qualifying for the final respectively.

Pakistan is not a big match team and they do not turn up when it matters. If they did, they wouldn’t have folded like a garden chair against West Indies in the World Cup opener, which nuked our NRR and ultimately cost us a place in the semi-final.

We also lost must-win matches against India and Australia.

I don’t care about one-wins against superior sides in tournaments, especially when we rarely go on to win the tournament anyway.

I will consider Pakistan on the right-track when we can consistently beat teams like England, India, Australia etc. in bilateral cricket, which will propel us into the top 3 rankings in Tests and ODIs.

Pakistan is a mid-table team that loses the vast majority of its series against the top sides. That is not good enough for me.

I don’t care about cornered tigers nonsense. I care about consistency. I want Pakistan to play like India, England, Australia etc.

 

[Dingolfy]

India would wipe this team, however our 2018 side would have put up a good fight

Its T20.Anyone can beat anybody in this format as luck plays a lot in this. One hack can get lucky for one over and change the course of the match itself. That is exactly why Windies is a force to reckon in this.
Even Bangladesh beat this Indian team in T20 in India. I think Pakistan can beat India if they chase against us.

 

[KingKhan12]

And our batting was nothing in limited overs. Jamshed had a purple patch for a year, Hafeez was always inconsistent, middle order was very weak with no power hitters. Younis, Misbah, Umar, i think Azhar ali played a game too lol. Compare that to the Indian team who was much superior in the batting department with Gambir in top form and one of best batsmen in ODIs, Sehwag, Kohli, Dhoni, Raina who was more explosive then any Pakistan batsmen that series, but Pakistan still beat them in ODIs and tied the T20s.

 

[KingKhan12]

How many matches did England win against Pakistan prior to the World Cup? New Zealand won 6 out of 8 ODIs (1 N/R) before the World Cup.

Those were one-off games. England and New Zealand ultimately showed their superior quality by winning the World Cup and qualifying for the final respectively.

Pakistan is not a big match team and they do not turn up when it matters. If they did, they wouldn’t have folded like a garden chair against West Indies in the World Cup opener, which nuked our NRR and ultimately cost us a place in the semi-final.

We also lost must-win matches against India and Australia.

I don’t care about one-wins against superior sides in tournaments, especially when we rarely go on to win the tournament anyway.

I will consider Pakistan on the right-track when we can consistently beat teams like England, India, Australia etc. in bilateral cricket, which will propel us into the top 3 rankings in Tests and ODIs.

Pakistan is a mid-table team that loses the vast majority of its series against the top sides. That is not good enough for me.

I don’t care about cornered tigers nonsense. I care about consistency. I want Pakistan to play like India, England, Australia etc.

By your logic then India beating Pakistan in World Cups is also one of then as they a one of match. You make no sense you keep changing your statements to suit your agenda against Pakistan. Keep it going

 

[Mamoon]

I'm not using that as a reference that Pakistan would compete. And I agree India is a better team overall then Pakistan right now but to say Pakistan can't even compete is quite dumb.

And regarding that series you think a middle order of Misbah, Younis who was a very poor ODI batsmen in his career and Umar Akmal were even close to Yuvraj who just hit a 70 ball 30 and the Indian team were world champions.
[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] mentioned Gambhir was over the hill and you agree. Same Gambhir who was named in the ICC ODI team of the year in 2012 so their goes his usual lies. Dhoni wasn't washed up was still at his peak, their was Ashwin, Raina, Sehwag who just a year before was one of the top batsmen in ODIS with over 50 average and 100+ strike rate.

And Pakistan with World Class bowling attack. Irfan was just starting up his career and a no body. Junaid wasn't nothing and it was only Ajmal that was a decent bowler.

Gambhir averaged 15 in his last two series against Pakistan and England and he was never picked again. He was a walking wicket and could no longer compete with the likes of Rohit and Dhawan for the opening slot.

His peak was 2008-2011. He was one of the best openers in the world in all formats.

 

[Mamoon]

By your logic then India beating Pakistan in World Cups is also one of then as they a one of match. You make no sense you keep changing your statements to suit your agenda against Pakistan. Keep it going

What has been India’s average ranking in ODIs and Tests in the last 15 years, and what has been Pakistan’s?

India’s average ranking: 1/2/3

Pakistan’s average ranking: 5/6/7

What agenda? Do I need to have an agenda to prove that India is a top team and Pakistan is a mediocre team?

 

[Rana]

How many matches did England win against Pakistan prior to the World Cup? New Zealand won 6 out of 8 ODIs (1 N/R) before the World Cup.

Those were one-off games. England and New Zealand ultimately showed their superior quality by winning the World Cup and qualifying for the final respectively.

Pakistan is not a big match team and they do not turn up when it matters. If they did, they wouldn’t have folded like a garden chair against West Indies in the World Cup opener, which nuked our NRR and ultimately cost us a place in the semi-final.

We also lost must-win matches against India and Australia.

I don’t care about one-wins against superior sides in tournaments, especially when we rarely go on to win the tournament anyway.

I will consider Pakistan on the right-track when we can consistently beat teams like England, India, Australia etc. in bilateral cricket, which will propel us into the top 3 rankings in Tests and ODIs.

Pakistan is a mid-table team that loses the vast majority of its series against the top sides. That is not good enough for me.

I don’t care about cornered tigers nonsense. I care about consistency. I want Pakistan to play like India, England, Australia etc.

If you want them to play like these three teams then expect them to play as much cricket as they do and in conditions that suit them like it does for them. Pakistan play 1/4 of the amount of matches played by India and 1/3rd of the amount played by English/Australian and South African cricketers. They have just started to play back at home and it is highly unlikely that they would be toured regularly by the best teams for atleast another 5 years. Pakistan's series against these top teams are as rare as they come. They are poor at acclimatising themselves against these teams as they would tour for 6 weeks in 4 years. They dont face these gun players in the IPL every year. They dont get the chance to develop their own gun players due to this exclusion.

So give it an equal and fair ground before you start insulting a side. Pakistan are allowed to be insulted and heavily criticised if the playing fields are equal which they are not.

 

[KingKhan12]

How many matches did England win against Pakistan prior to the World Cup? New Zealand won 6 out of 8 ODIs (1 N/R) before the World Cup.

Those were one-off games. England and New Zealand ultimately showed their superior quality by winning the World Cup and qualifying for the final respectively.

Pakistan is not a big match team and they do not turn up when it matters. If they did, they wouldn’t have folded like a garden chair against West Indies in the World Cup opener, which nuked our NRR and ultimately cost us a place in the semi-final.

We also lost must-win matches against India and Australia.

I don’t care about one-wins against superior sides in tournaments, especially when we rarely go on to win the tournament anyway.

I will consider Pakistan on the right-track when we can consistently beat teams like England, India, Australia etc. in bilateral cricket, which will propel us into the top 3 rankings in Tests and ODIs.

Pakistan is a mid-table team that loses the vast majority of its series against the top sides. That is not good enough for me.

I don’t care about cornered tigers nonsense. I care about consistency. I want Pakistan to play like India, England, Australia etc.

We turned up in the ICC champions trophy and beat your two favourite teams England and India and also won must win games against the World champions and runners up in the World CUP.

Ok so one of wins in World Cup don't matter. So from now on don't mention about Pakistan never beating India in World Cups as they are one ofs and tell your Indian buddies not too aswell as only bilateral series matter. Last bilateral series in the past decade which is supposedly our worst we beat India. And we have beaten India 11 times in ODI series and lost only 4 times and Test series its 4-4. So your point we are miles ahead. You can say India is much superior then Pakistan now and they will beat them every series but last series look at our players and we beat world cup winning side with one of our weakest teams in our ODI history.

 

[Mesozoic]

And regarding that series you think a middle order of Misbah, Younis who was a very poor ODI batsmen in his career and Umar Akmal were even close to Yuvraj who just hit a 70 ball 30 and the Indian team were world champions.
[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] mentioned Gambhir was over the hill and you agree. Same Gambhir who was named in the ICC ODI team of the year in 2012 so their goes his usual lies. Dhoni wasn't washed up was still at his peak, their was Ashwin, Raina, Sehwag who just a year before was one of the top batsmen in ODIS with over 50 average and 100+ strike rate.

A middle order of Younis, Misbah and Umar Akmal is not exactly world class but when you're playing against India in India , that's exactly what you need. All three were brilliant players of spin bowling who negated the threat of Ashwin and Jadeja.

And yes. Gambhir, Sehwag and Yuvraj were clearly over the hill. All of them were batting like tail enders in the Test series against England. Yes , Yuvi scored a 70 odd but that was a T20. He was always a good T20 batter but in ODIs , he had lost his innings building capabilities and never got them back. On top of that , we had Bhuvi and Shami debuting in that series and the one and only Ashok Dinda partnering them in the pace attack.

Current Indian team is a much much better team than that one and current Pakistan is nowhere near as good as the Pak team of 2012-13. But yes, Pakistan may compete with us if Shaheen performs and the likes of Naseem and Rauf are half as good as they are made out to be. They have loads of potential.

 

[KingKhan12]

What has been India’s average ranking in ODIs and Tests in the last 15 years, and what has been Pakistan’s?

India’s average ranking: 1/2/3

Pakistan’s average ranking: 5/6/7

What agenda? Do I need to have an agenda to prove that India is a top team and Pakistan is a mediocre team?

Give a exact average not 3 different positions lol. And why only 15 years why not 30 years. So rankings matter now lol. See how you change your views to suit yourself.
Say what you want last big game Pakistan vs India was champions trophy final and Pakistan won. World Cup and Asia Cup were one of wins. Just using your own logics which you change every minute yourself.

 

[Mesozoic]

Give a exact average not 3 different positions lol. And why only 15 years why not 30 years. So rankings matter now lol. See how you change your views to suit yourself.
Say what you want last big game Pakistan vs India was champions trophy final and Pakistan won. World Cup and Asia Cup were one of wins. Just using your own logics which you change every minute yourself.

Actually there were 2 games in the Asia cup. So call it "two off".

 

[KingKhan12]

A middle order of Younis, Misbah and Umar Akmal is not exactly world class but when you're playing against India in India , that's exactly what you need. All three were brilliant players of spin bowling who negated the threat of Ashwin and Jadeja.

And yes. Gambhir, Sehwag and Yuvraj were clearly over the hill. All of them were batting like tail enders in the Test series against England. Yes , Yuvi scored a 70 odd but that was a T20. He was always a good T20 batter but in ODIs , he had lost his innings building capabilities and never got them back. On top of that , we had Bhuvi and Shami debuting in that series and the one and only Ashok Dinda partnering them in the pace attack.

Current Indian team is a much much better team than that one and current Pakistan is nowhere near as good as the Pak team of 2012-13. But yes, Pakistan may compete with us if Shaheen performs and the likes of Naseem and Rauf are half as good as they are made out to be. They have loads of potential.

That was probably one of our weakest middle order ever in ODI. Umar Akmal good against spin what a joke.
Any Indian batsmens would walked over any of the Pakistan batsmen.
Gambir maybe had a bad test series but he was one of the worlds best ODI batsmen that year and Sehwag a year before. Kohli was making runs and Dhoni at his peak. Compare them to Pakistan batsmens lol.
And Pakistan bowling attack was nothing special except Ajmal. Gul was a T20 specialist. Irfan was a nobody just made his T20 debut that tour and was given a chance in ODIs. Junaid was a no body too.

We can say same thing India only beat us in recent games as we had over the hill players and new players starting up lol. But we don't look for excuses like you and Mamoon

 

[KingKhan12]

Actually there were 2 games in the Asia cup. So call it "two off".

But but we had over the hill players and new players just like India did in 2012

 

[Mesozoic]

That was probably one of our weakest middle order ever in ODI. Umar Akmal good against spin what a joke.
Any Indian batsmens would walked over any of the Pakistan batsmen.
Gambir maybe had a bad test series but he was one of the worlds best ODI batsmen that year and Sehwag a year before. Kohli was making runs and Dhoni at his peak. Compare them to Pakistan batsmens lol.
And Pakistan bowling attack was nothing special except Ajmal. Gul was a T20 specialist. Irfan was a nobody just made his T20 debut that tour and was given a chance in ODIs. Junaid was a no body too.

We can say same thing India only beat us in recent games as we had over the hill players and new players starting up lol. But we don't look for excuses like you and Mamoon

Well we can just agree to disagree here. I still think the current Pak team is not half as good as the Pak team of the aane do series and we were at our worst phase in the decade.

And no, you can't use the same excuse as we have been beating you consistently throughout the decade and no team can be over the hill or going through a restarting phase for a whole decade. The record is 15-5 in the last decade and 13-2 outside of that series. One offs don't work that way.

 

[Hyperion66]

India defeated NZ with Thakur and Dubey

Funniest reply I read here in a while

 

[KingKhan12]

Well we can just agree to disagree here. I still think the current Pak team is not half as good as the Pak team of the aane do series and we were at our worst phase in the decade.

And no, you can't use the same excuse as we have been beating you consistently throughout the decade and no team can be over the hill or going through a restarting phase for a whole decade. The record is 15-5 in the last decade and 13-2 outside of that series. One offs don't work that way.

Half as good. Babar Azam is 10 times the batsmen then any of the Pakistan batsmen in that series. Last decade was Pakistans Worst in ODIs and still we beat India in India in a series who had a world class batting line up.

And well when Pakistan win its a one of but not when India lol. Yes you been beating us consistently last decade because India has a better team which we all know and theirs no excuses from me or most like Mamoon and you guys like its fluke or over the hill or new players when Pakistan wins.

Why only last decade why not overall 64-39 if I'm right. And 11-5 im actual series win.
And in our worst ODI decade we still won a odi series in India and beat India in Champions trophy final. Not bad lol

 

[sharmaji]

Given the form, I think India would win the series. Maybe 3-2. Only because Indian batting is stronger than Pakistan batting. Bowling I think both the teams are equal.

But then, this is just hypothetically speaking.

 

[Mamoon]

We turned up in the ICC champions trophy and beat your two favourite teams England and India and also won must win games against the World champions and runners up in the World CUP.

Ok so one of wins in World Cup don't matter. So from now on don't mention about Pakistan never beating India in World Cups as they are one ofs and tell your Indian buddies not too aswell as only bilateral series matter. Last bilateral series in the past decade which is supposedly our worst we beat India. And we have beaten India 11 times in ODI series and lost only 4 times and Test series its 4-4. So your point we are miles ahead. You can say India is much superior then Pakistan now and they will beat them every series but last series look at our players and we beat world cup winning side with one of our weakest teams in our ODI history.

When will you let go of the Champions Trophy? It’s been three years now. We have been humiliated by India since that victory and we failed to make the semi-finals of the World Cup because our NRR was a disaster, thanks to the thrashing against the West Indies.

We are currently ranked 7th in Tests and 6th in ODIs, and it is a true reflection of our capability.

World Cup wins matters but only if you are a consistent side. I am sick and tired of the cornered tiger and the unpredictability tag, and cheerleaders like Nasser Hussain coming up with corny one-liners and our fans do bhangra because he called us unpredictable yahoo etc.

We need to become a team that enjoys the same reputation as sides like India, England and Australia, and not as a team that could self-destruct on a given day but hurt you as well.

You can harp about the 2012-2013 series all you want, but the truth is that if Pakistan vs India bilateral series would have been a regular thing in the previous decade or in this decade, India would have adjusted the misleading H2H record with ease.

India is a far better side in all three formats, their cricket culture is vastly superior and their is a world of difference between the personalities of their players and ours. We cannot close the gap if we keep downplaying it and keep making excuses for our mediocrity.

 

[Mamoon]

If you want them to play like these three teams then expect them to play as much cricket as they do and in conditions that suit them like it does for them. Pakistan play 1/4 of the amount of matches played by India and 1/3rd of the amount played by English/Australian and South African cricketers. They have just started to play back at home and it is highly unlikely that they would be toured regularly by the best teams for atleast another 5 years. Pakistan's series against these top teams are as rare as they come. They are poor at acclimatising themselves against these teams as they would tour for 6 weeks in 4 years. They dont face these gun players in the IPL every year. They dont get the chance to develop their own gun players due to this exclusion.

So give it an equal and fair ground before you start insulting a side. Pakistan are allowed to be insulted and heavily criticised if the playing fields are equal which they are not.

Not these lame excuses again.

Pakistan is not a mediocre side because it doesn’t play much in Pakistan and doesn’t pay enough cricket against the top sides. It is a mediocre side because it has mediocre players.

Currently, we have only one world class player in Babar and even he will not get into a World XI in any format, since there are better players than him in his position/role.

Playing more matches against these top sides will mean more defeats. A mediocre player will not get better by playing against world class players. By then it’s too late.

Pakistan’s problem is that not it does not play at home regularly, or it does not play against India/England/Australia regularly or because it doesn’t play in the IPL.

Pakistan’s problem is that our cricket culture is rotten to the core. Our fans do not understand cricket, our ex-players do not understand cricket and never highlight the right reasons for our mediocrity.

They did relatively well in their time because of their talent, but they never understood the game and thus underachieved. As a result, they cannot establish the real reasons for our lack of consistency because they themselves contributed to our rotten mentality.

Our current players also do not understand the game. They have poor personalities, no star quality, no charisma, and because most of them have come from remote villages and far flung areas, and unfortunately did not have access to quality education and nutrition during their developmental years, their cognitive abilities are compromised.

You talk to Kohli for 10 mins and Fakhar for 10 mins, and you will see a world of difference in terms of their grooming, and this is not just because of the current exposure. You will see the same difference in general in an Indian U-19 player and a Pakistani U-19 player.


For Pakistan to become an elite team again and not rely on cornered tigers and unpredictability nonsense, it has to bring the upper-middle class as well as the elite class back into professional cricket. That was the case for Pakistan cricket until the 1980s, and it is no coincidence that we were successful.

Talent means nothing. A country that obsesses itself with one sport will eventually find the talent for it. If France, the world champions in football, converts its 12 elite football academies into cricket and academies, 50 years down the line it will have talent for cricket.

Pakistan’s problem is the lack of grooming of the players and it brings us back to our cricket culture which is rotten to the core. We play the game the wrong way and we understand the game the wrong way. Unfortunately, this not only includes our current players but also our ex-players (the ones blabbering on tv these days) as well as the fans.

If our problems were only as simple as not playing at home, not playing enough against the top sides and not playing in the IPL, life would have been very easy for us.

 

[Rudi hater]

Not these lame excuses again.

Pakistan is not a mediocre side because it doesn’t play much in Pakistan and doesn’t pay enough cricket against the top sides. It is a mediocre side because it has mediocre players.

Currently, we have only one world class player in Babar and even he will not get into a World XI in any format, since there are better players than him in his position/role.

Playing more matches against these top sides will mean more defeats. A mediocre player will not get better by playing against world class players. By then it’s too late.

Pakistan’s problem is that not it does not play at home regularly, or it does not play against India/England/Australia regularly or because it doesn’t play in the IPL.

Pakistan’s problem is that our cricket culture is rotten to the core. Our fans do not understand cricket, our ex-players do not understand cricket and never highlight the right reasons for our mediocrity.

They did relatively well in their time because of their talent, but they never understood the game and thus underachieved. As a result, they cannot establish the real reasons for our lack of consistency because they themselves contributed to our rotten mentality.

Our current players also do not understand the game. They have poor personalities, no star quality, no charisma, and because most of them have come from remote villages and far flung areas, and unfortunately did not have access to quality education and nutrition during their developmental years, their cognitive abilities are compromised.

You talk to Kohli for 10 mins and Fakhar for 10 mins, and you will see a world of difference in terms of their grooming, and this is not just because of the current exposure. You will see the same difference in general in an Indian U-19 player and a Pakistani U-19 player.


For Pakistan to become an elite team again and not rely on cornered tigers and unpredictability nonsense, it has to bring the upper-middle class as well as the elite class back into professional cricket. That was the case for Pakistan cricket until the 1980s, and it is no coincidence that we were successful.

Talent means nothing. A country that obsesses itself with one sport will eventually find the talent for it. If France, the world champions in football, converts its 12 elite football academies into cricket and academies, 50 years down the line it will have talent for cricket.

Pakistan’s problem is the lack of grooming of the players and it brings us back to our cricket culture which is rotten to the core. We play the game the wrong way and we understand the game the wrong way. Unfortunately, this not only includes our current players but also our ex-players (the ones blabbering on tv these days) as well as the fans.

If our problems were only as simple as not playing at home, not playing enough against the top sides and not playing in the IPL, life would have been very easy for us.

Pakistan thrashed them from 1950s onwards, you only have to look at their recored against India. India got stronger recently but when Pakistan and India play talent and skills are secondary it becomes battle of nerves. On their day whoever hold their nerves better wins.

Of course you have a very bias point of veiw being an Indian fan. Indian batting is better right now but Pakistan bowling will over take their bowling in the next year or so.

 

[Napa]

This one would be slightly difficult to call. India could end up wining a couple of games as the shorter format tends to help the weaker teams. Still over a 5 match series, Pakistan should come out on top.

You are being too generous. Given that the "weaker team" India has only beaten Pakistan 5 out of the 6 times they have played over the last 5 years, anything less than a 5-0 Pakistan victory would be a huge upset.

"Delusional beyond belief" is the phrase that comes to mind.

 

[Napa]

Pakistan thrashed them from 1950s onwards, you only have to look at their recored against India. India got stronger recently but when Pakistan and India play talent and skills are secondary it becomes battle of nerves. On their day whoever hold their nerves better wins.

Of course you have a very bias point of veiw being an Indian fan. Indian batting is better right now but Pakistan bowling will over take their bowling in the next year or so.

The two countries didn't play in the phases when the Indian team was strong, for example when India was ranked #1 in Tests in 1973 (there were no Tests played between the two countries from 1961 to 1978).

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...esults.html?class=1;id=6;id=7;type=headtohead

"Pakistan thrashed them from 1950s onwards, you only have to look at their recored against India" factually can only be classified as deranged. India beat Pakistan 2-1 in the first Test series they played in 1952 and we all know that the 12-0 streak began 28 years ago.

 

[Napa]

You are being too generous. Given that the "weaker team" India has only beaten Pakistan 5 out of the 6 times they have played over the last 5 years, anything less than a 5-0 Pakistan victory would be a huge upset.

"Delusional beyond belief" is the phrase that comes to mind.

Seems like my numbers were a bit off. 5 out of 6 is ODIs only. If you take into account all games played (ODIs and T20s), the correct numbers are 7 out of 8 to India in the last 5 years.

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...esults.html?class=3;id=6;id=7;type=headtohead

 

[jnaveen1980]

We will see where they stand in the world T20. I have limited hope given that there are many holes the management is unwilling to close due to nepotism. India has batting surplus. Just that they don't know how to accommodate them.

 

[Danyaalr01]

3-0 lead over a strong New Zealand in New Zealand in a 5 match series.

India is the real number 1 T20I side in the world, and only England perhaps can beat them over a 5 match series.

Pakistan will be smashed. We will be lucky to even win 1 match.

Strong NZ? A team with Hamish Bennett is not strong. They are missing their 2 best bowlers, Boult and Ferguson.