Who won the 1965 India-Pakistan War?

[FearlessRoar]

Pakistan started the war in April 1965 by launching a secret operation, 'Operation Gibraltar,' in Kashmir, which was controlled by India. This operation aimed to spark a rebellion in Kashmir but didn't work out as planned.

The war lasted from August 5 to September 23, 1965. Both India and Pakistan suffered significant losses.

The war was a brutal fight, but ultimately, it ended in a stalemate, with neither side achieving a decisive victory.

Pakistan suffered more from the war, losing substantial amounts of money and equipment. The United States and other Western countries also halted economic aid to Pakistan, severely impacting its economy and international standing, with effects still felt today.

The war ended with a ceasefire on September 23, 1965. The Tashkent Agreement, signed on January 10, 1966, officially ended the fighting, with both sides agreeing to return to pre-war positions. This agreement marked the end of the conflict.

Who would you call the winner in this war? Was there a clear winner in the 1965 India-Pakistan War?

 

[dubeTheGoat]

Didn't the ceasefire agreement resulted in status quo ante bellum (meaning no change to status quo)? I guess that would mean neither..

 

[FearlessRoar]

I think the Indian army wasn't as brave as Pakistan's, considering Pakistan had only around 200,000 soldiers participating in the war, whereas India had around 800,000 soldiers. Definitely, hats off to the Pakistan soldiers for their bravery.

But 1965 war was a big mistake. Pakistan's leaders thought they could win quickly and easily, but they were wrong. They didn't think India would fight back, but they did.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Didn't the ceasefire agreement resulted in status quo ante bellum (meaning no change to status quo)? I guess that would mean neither..

Status quo was maintained but since Pakistan initiated the war and failed to achieve its objectives then you can term it a victory for India

 

[HalBass9]

Who cares and why?

Irrelevant in 2024.

 

[mazkhan]

I think the Indian army wasn't as brave as Pakistan's, considering Pakistan had only around 200,000 soldiers participating in the war, whereas India had around 800,000 soldiers. Definitely, hats off to the Pakistan soldiers for their bravery.

But 1965 war was a big mistake. Pakistan's leaders thought they could win quickly and easily, but they were wrong. They didn't think India would fight back, but they did.

Not the army's fault if kashmiris in India didn't rise up and sat in their homes wearing bangles .

 

[gani999]

I think the Indian army wasn't as brave as Pakistan's, considering Pakistan had only around 200,000 soldiers participating in the war, whereas India had around 800,000 soldiers. Definitely, hats off to the Pakistan soldiers for their bravery.

But 1965 war was a big mistake. Pakistan's leaders thought they could win quickly and easily, but they were wrong. They didn't think India would fight back, but they did.

Wars are fought for a military objective. Winning the war means achieving the objective. Losing the war means not achieving the objective.
Pakistan started the 1965 war with a military objective, which they could not achieve.
So Pakistan lost the war, plain and simple.

 

[Hitman]

I've always believed that India would not have supported Mukti Bahini with arms and training if Pakistan didn't launch Operation Gibraltar. India's support to Mukti Bahini was a result of that.

 

[The Bald Eagle]

Wars are fought for a military objective. Winning the war means achieving the objective. Losing the war means not achieving the objective.
Pakistan started the 1965 war with a military objective, which they could not achieve.
So Pakistan lost the war, plain and simple.

It's debatable who started the war as India first attacked the international border with goal of capturing Lahore and failed miserably in it. This way they lost the war.

 

[Hitman]

It's debatable who started the war as India first attacked the international border with goal of capturing Lahore and failed miserably in it. This way they lost the war.

I think he is speaking of Operation Gibraltar. It wasn't exactly the formal declaration war, but it sure was the first provocation.

 

[The Bald Eagle]

Yep but it was on disputed Kashmir boundary

I think he is speaking of Operation Gibraltar. It wasn't exactly the formal declaration war, but it sure was the first provocation.

 

[Hitman]

Yep but it was on disputed Kashmir boundary

Yup! But then again even Kargil war started in disputed territory.

 

[RexRex]

 

[The Bald Eagle]

1965 war: Pivotal actions of Pakistani armed forces | The Express Tribune

The Express Tribune takes a look at some of the war's defining engagements

tribune.com.pk

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[FearlessRoar]

Who cares and why?

Irrelevant in 2024.

Those who forget history are forgotten by history.

 

[cricketjoshila]

It's debatable who started the war as India first attacked the international border with goal of capturing Lahore and failed miserably in it. This way they lost the war.

Pakistan attacked Kashmir by starting OP Gibraltar.

India just widened the war front to stretch the pakistani army.

Considering Pakistanis started the war to take Srinagar but had to run to save Lahore tells you how miserably they failed.

 

[RexRex]

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1965 war: Pivotal actions of Pakistani armed forces | The Express Tribune

The Express Tribune takes a look at some of the war's defining engagements

tribune.com.pk

Belated congratulations. You army is undefeatable

 

[The Bald Eagle]

Pakistan attacked Kashmir by starting OP Gibraltar.

India just widened the war front to stretch the pakistani army.

Considering Pakistanis started the war to take Srinagar but had to run to save Lahore tells you how miserably they failed.

Pakistan failed to rally local Kashmiris support in time although India failed in epic manner to teach Pak a lesson and capture Lahore. Also they lost the biggest tank war since the WW2 then in chamba, Sialkot sector.

 

[sweep_shot]

I believe it was a stalemate. Nobody won.

 

[deltexas]

Indo-Pakistani war of 1965 - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

As this is a pak forum- it will be viewed with green tinted lenses. See the above link for the info. Pak initiated the war and lost badly . Pak was the aggressor. Still continuing to this day instead of developing their own country. No wonder pak has a perpetual imf begging bowl.

 

[deltexas]

I believe it was a stalemate. Nobody won.

See above post..

 

[Vikram1989]

Nur Khan reminisces ’65 war

ISLAMABAD, Sept 5: Air Marshal (retired) Nur Khan, the man who led the airforce achieve complete superiority over ...

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Air marshal in Pakistan news paper accepting its a failure and victory was lie

 

[Bhaijaan]

The streak started in 1965.

 

[BouncerGuy]

A war cannot be termed as won or lost.

The only thing that we can say is that Human Beings have died because of this war. Wars are never the way to go because it brings chaos and death only.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Yep but it was on disputed Kashmir boundary

There was a UN mediated ceasefire. Once you break that, its open war.

Pakistan failed to rally local Kashmiris support in time although India failed in epic manner to teach Pak a lesson and capture Lahore. Also they lost the biggest tank war since the WW2 then in chamba, Sialkot sector.

India's war was defensive. Its objective was to force Pakistani army to withdraw from Kashmir. They successfully did it.They also Captured the strategic Haji Pir pass.

Though India didn't capture Lahore, India was able to capture huge tracts of land in Sialkot Lahore sector, Pakistan in comparison was able to capture much lesser territory.

Coming to the tank battle,

There were three major tank battles,

Battle of Phillora: Indian victory

Battle of Chawinda: Pakistani victory

Battle of Asal Uttar: Indian victory

Many dont know but Pakistan had both numerical and qualitative advantage over India in Armoured divisions.

 

[FearlessRoar]

Today is Pakistan Navy Day! We remember the brave attack on India's Dwarka base in 1965. Pakistan's navy showed its strength and protected the country. What do you think about this important event?

 

[Rajdeep]

Pakistan is 0-4 in wars and 0-8 in cricket world cups against India.

Wars:
1948 (Kashmir) - Winner India
1965 (Kashmir/Rajasthan) - Winner India
1971 (East Pakistan) - Winner India
1999 (Kargil) - Winner India

World Cups:
1992 Sydney - Winner India
1996 Bangalore - Winner India
1999 Manchester - Winner India
2003 Centurion - Winner India
2011 Mohali - Winner India
2015 Adelaide - Winner India
2019 Manchester - Winner India
2023 Ahmedabad - Winner India


Embarrassing record this.

 

[RexRex]

Pakistan is 0-4 in wars and 0-8 in cricket world cups against India.

Wars:
1948 (Kashmir) - Winner India
1965 (Kashmir/Rajasthan) - Winner India
1971 (East Pakistan) - Winner India
1999 (Kargil) - Winner India

World Cups:
1992 Sydney - Winner India
1996 Bangalore - Winner India
1999 Manchester - Winner India
2003 Centurion - Winner India
2011 Mohali - Winner India
2015 Adelaide - Winner India
2019 Manchester - Winner India
2023 Ahmedabad - Winner India


Embarrassing record this.

That's an awful record.

However I would count 1948 as a victory for Pakistan .. given that they stole half of Kashmir, the whole of which was supposed to be Indian territory.

 

[Rajdeep]

That's an awful record.

However I would count 1948 as a victory for Pakistan .. given that they stole half of Kashmir, the whole of which was supposed to be Indian territory.

Nope, they lost that battle too. It was the closest they came to beat India though like the 1992 WC

Rest of the wars are one sided affairs. The 1971 one was akin to the phainta we dished them in 2023 world cup in Shri Narendra Modi ji stadium

 

[BouncerGuy]

@uppercut

Can you explain this shameful behaviour?

https://twitter.com/x/status/1965339214993916156

 

[sweep_shot]

@uppercut

Can you explain this shameful behaviour?

https://twitter.com/x/status/1965339214993916156

Shooting a harmless 80-year old. How cowardly!

Indian military is one of the immoral and cowardly militaries in the world. They also did the same in Kashmir and probably other places too.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

I believe it was a stalemate. Nobody won.

Which is basically like a victory for Pakistan given it would have been dwarfed by India's miltary resources. Pakistan on it's own turf has never been defeated by India, even the war in the 70's only went India's way because Pakistan army crazily tried to cross India to reach Bengal. Plus there was no home support for that war in the first place, it was a vanity conflict which Bhutto inflicted on the nation.

But we are not talking about subsequent wars (before Indians deflect to other wars) but 1965, and the world at large knows fine well that Pakistan dealt India a heavy bashing.

 

[sweep_shot]

Which is basically like a victory for Pakistan given it would have been dwarfed by India's miltary resources. Pakistan on it's own turf has never been defeated by India, even the war in the 70's only went India's way because Pakistan army crazily tried to cross India to reach Bengal. Plus there was no home support for that war in the first place, it was a vanity conflict which Bhutto inflicted on the nation.

But we are not talking about subsequent wars (before Indians deflect to other wars) but 1965, and the world at large knows fine well that Pakistan dealt India a heavy bashing.

Yes. Agree.

 

[Rajdeep]

Pakistan lost all the wars with India so far...just like how they lost all world cup matches.

They win a lot in social media though.

 

[uppercut]

Nur Khan reminisces ’65 war

ISLAMABAD, Sept 5: Air Marshal (retired) Nur Khan, the man who led the airforce achieve complete superiority over ...

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Air marshal in Pakistan news paper accepting its a failure and victory was lie

Important tidbit From that article :

"Air Marshal Khan demanded that a truth commission formed to find out why we failed in all our military adventure"

@BouncerGuy

 

[Vikram1989]

Important tidbit From that article :

"Air Marshal Khan demanded that a truth commission formed to find out why we failed in all our military adventure"

@BouncerGuy

Whenever you ask a difficult question, it will be answered by dead silence

 

[straighttalk]

Pakistan of course silly
They defended Lahore and stopped Indian march
Brought down more planes as usual as only that matters
And look India did ceasefire

 

[JaDed]

Important tidbit From that article :

"Air Marshal Khan demanded that a truth commission formed to find out why we failed in all our military adventure"

@BouncerGuy

It must be weird for Airforce to be consistently under the Pakistani Army that actually goes on “adventures” and looks to Airforce to bail them out.

 

[uppercut]

I think the Indian army wasn't as brave as Pakistan's, considering Pakistan had only around 200,000 soldiers participating in the war, whereas India had around 800,000 soldiers. Definitely, hats off to the Pakistan soldiers for their bravery.

But 1965 war was a big mistake. Pakistan's leaders thought they could win quickly and easily, but they were wrong. They didn't think India would fight back, but they did.

Which is basically like a victory for Pakistan given it would have been dwarfed by India's miltary resources. Pakistan on it's own turf has never been defeated by India, even the war in the 70's only went India's way because Pakistan army crazily tried to cross India to reach Bengal. Plus there was no home support for that war in the first place, it was a vanity conflict which Bhutto inflicted on the nation.

But we are not talking about subsequent wars (before Indians deflect to other wars) but 1965, and the world at large knows fine well that Pakistan dealt India a heavy bashing.

@Hitman yeah lo ... right on cue

 

[uppercut]

It must be weird for Airforce to be consistently under the Pakistani Army that actually goes on “adventures” and looks to Airforce to bail them out.

They are a weirdo species altogether ... you cannot evaluate them using normal standards and benchmarks.

 

[Hitman]

Who started the war?

What was the desired objective of the war?

Did the perpetrator of the war achieve it's objective?

Did the perpetrator of the war learn any lesson not to repeat such misadventure again?​

 

[BouncerGuy]

@uppercut

Can you explain this shameful behaviour?

https://twitter.com/x/status/1965339214993916156

@uppercut I asked you a simple question which was not even about win or defeat and you ran away... came back and asked a totally different question... WHy running from this question??

 

[Suleiman]

Pakistan won. Easiest victory in history, the shockwaves of that defeat still traumatize Indian soldiers to this day.

Like a tiny being afraid to go out its nest ever since it almost got swooped up by a peregrine falcon couple weeks ago.

That’s why I have to give credit to India for even having the courage to do their cute but cowardly little shenanigans in May. Could’ve been dangerous for em. Brave little choozay

 

[Hitman]

Pakistan won. Easiest victory in history, the shockwaves of that defeat still traumatize Indian soldiers to this day.

Like a tiny being afraid to go out its nest ever since it almost got swooped up by a peregrine falcon couple weeks ago.

That’s why I have to give credit to India for even having the courage to do their cute but cowardly little shenanigans in May. Could’ve been dangerous for em. Brave little choozay

Just like they have 'won' every single match against India in ODI World Cups, 8-0.

 

[uppercut]

@uppercut I asked you a simple question which was not even about win or defeat

it is ... if you read the tweet that you posted ... it alleges that India lost the war and therefore our soldiers indulged in targeting civilians... So I produced the words of your own General in post# 35 to address who actually was the overall winner of that 1965 war. Let me know if you need more evidence from your own people.​

and you ran away... came back and asked a totally different question... WHy running from this question??

I don't run. You most certainly will.

 

[Hitman]

it is ... if you read the tweet that you posted ... it alleges that India lost the war and therefore our soldiers indulged in targeting civilians... So I produced the words of your own General in post# 35 to address who actually was the overall winner of that 1965 war. Let me know if you need more evidence from your own people.​

I don't run. You most certainly will.

Funny it's coming from a country that committed the worst genocide since the Holocaust. Operation Searchlight rings a bell?

P.S. Did I mention they also raped 200,000 women?

 

[BouncerGuy]

it is ... if you read the tweet that you posted ... it alleges that India lost the war and therefore our soldiers indulged in targeting civilians... So I produced the words of your own General in post# 35 to address who actually was the overall winner of that 1965 war. Let me know if you need more evidence from your own people.​

I don't run. You most certainly will.

So you support that kind of shameful behaviour??

 

[uppercut]

So you support that kind of shameful behaviour??

Where did I say anything remotely close to that in my post ? As I said I was just addressing the main topic of who won that war. Let me know if you agree with what your own Air Marshall Nur Khan says and then we can address the War Crimes aspect of it. However as a Pakistani you have no leg to stand on on that topic either considering your track record of genocide on your own people in 1971 !!