Whoopi Goldberg slammed for saying Holocaust ‘not about race’

[James]

Whoopi Goldberg is facing a backlash after she said on a US talk show that the Holocaust ‘was not about race’.

The actress and television personality said on ABC's The View that the Nazi genocide of the Jews involved "two groups of white people".

Critics pointed out that Hitler himself had vented his hatred of the Jews in racial terms. She later apologised.

The Nazis, who believed themselves an Aryan "master race", murdered six million Jews in the Holocaust.

Monday's discussion was sparked by a Tennessee school board's ban of a graphic novel about Nazi death camps during World War Two.

Maus, which depicts Jews as mice and Nazis as cats, has won a number of literary awards.

The school board said it banned the book because its profanity, nudity and depiction of suicide was inappropriate for 13-year-olds.

Goldberg, a 66-year-old Oscar-winning actress who has been on The View since 2007, told her co-hosts: "I'm surprised that's what made you uncomfortable, the fact that there was some nudity.

"I mean, it's about the Holocaust, the killing of six million people, but that didn't bother you?

"If you're going to do this, then let's be truthful about it. Because the Holocaust isn't about race. No, it's not about race."

Co-host Joy Behar pointed out that the Nazis said the Jews were a different race.

Goldberg said: "But it's not about race. It's not. It's about man's inhumanity to other man."

"But it's about white supremacy," responded co-host Ana Navarro. "It's about going after Jews and Gypsies and Roma."

"But these are two white groups of people," countered Goldberg.

Co-host Sara Haines pointed out that the Nazis "didn't see them as white".

Goldberg continued: "But you're missing the point! The minute you turn it into race, it goes down this alley. Let's talk about it for what it is. It's how people treat each other. It's a problem."

She nodded to someone behind the camera as the show's theme music played to signal an ad break.

Critics blasted the show for platforming dangerous disinformation.

Jonathan Greenblatt, leader of the Anti-Defamation League, a Jewish anti-hate watchdog, tweeted: "No @WhoopiGoldberg, the #Holocaust was about the Nazi's systematic annihilation of the Jewish people - who they deemed to be an inferior race.

"They dehumanised them and used this racist propaganda to justify slaughtering six million Jews. Holocaust distortion is dangerous."

Meghan McCain, a former co-host of the The View, tweeted: "Antisemitism is a cancer and a poison that is increasingly excused in our culture and television - and permeates spaces that should shock us all."

Conservative commentator Ben Shapiro tweeted a quote from Nazi leader Adolf Hitler, who wrote in Mein Kampf: "Is not their very existence founded on one great lie, namely, that they are a religious community, whereas in reality they are a race?"

The US Holocaust Museum, in what was interpreted as a subtweet at Goldberg, wrote: "Racism was central to Nazi ideology. Jews were not defined by religion, but by race. Nazi racist beliefs fuelled genocide and mass murder."

Amid growing criticism, Goldberg later apologised.

"On today's show, I said the Holocaust 'is not about race, but about man's inhumanity to man'. I should have said it is about both," Goldberg wrote in a Twitter post.

"The Jewish people around the world have always had my support and that will never waiver. I'm sorry for the hurt I have caused," she added.

 

[James]

I think Whoopi was correct to apologise.

Considering that it targeted Jews, Romani people, Slavs and Blacks among many others, in my view the Holocaust was a racist endeavour.

 

[Sidilicious]

I think Whoopi was correct to apologise.

Considering that it targeted Jews, Romani people, Slavs and Blacks among many others, in my view the Holocaust was a racist endeavour.

It was and it wasn’t.

It was perpetrated against

 

[Robert]

I think Whoopi was correct to apologise.

Considering that it targeted Jews, Romani people, Slavs and Blacks among many others, in my view the Holocaust was a racist endeavour.

A lack of understanding and sensitivity by Whoopi.

National Socialist German Workers' Party language was explicitly racist, and The Final Solution was the ultimate expression of racial supremacy over another race - actually more than one race as you say.

 

[SpiritOf1903]

Ironic given her name

 

[PakLFC]

I thought Whoopi herself was Jewish!

 

[Technics 1210]

I thought Whoopi herself was Jewish!

Nope. Her real name is Caryn Elaine Johnson, she changed her name to Whoopy Goldberg, to break into a Zionist controlled industry, Hollywood.

She is never getting another role in Hollywood movies in her life time now!

 

[KingKhanWC]

A lack of understanding and sensitivity by Whoopi.

National Socialist German Workers' Party language was explicitly racist, and The Final Solution was the ultimate expression of racial supremacy over another race - actually more than one race as you say.

Its not so simple. Look into why WW1 took place, the role of the SOME German Jews in helping others to defeat Germany. Escalated into hatred for them by Germans. If rich Muslims helped Iraq to destroy Britain, what do you think would happen to the rest of the Muslims here? Of course killing anyone on mass is not right but there is so much detail/context into the wars but you wont be taught this in school.

As for Whoopie. As pointed out, she changer her name to a Jewish name for money and fame.

The woman is a grade A idiot. Goes with my point of actors, they should stick to entertaining, dancing around and not indulge in political talk, most are simply not educated or intellgent enough. An idiot can be a great actor, an idiot cannot understand basic politics or geo-politics.

 

[KingKhanWC]

She is another so called liberal who is a warmonger. This is so emabarrasing for Rand Paul and for the fake liberals.

 

[Technics 1210]

Its not so simple. Look into why WW1 took place, the role of the SOME German Jews in helping others to defeat Germany. Escalated into hatred for them by Germans. If rich Muslims helped Iraq to destroy Britain, what do you think would happen to the rest of the Muslims here? Of course killing anyone on mass is not right but there is so much detail/context into the wars but you wont be taught this in school.

As for Whoopie. As pointed out, she changer her name to a Jewish name for money and fame.

The woman is a grade A idiot. Goes with my point of actors, they should stick to entertaining, dancing around and not indulge in political talk, most are simply not educated or intellgent enough. An idiot can be a great actor, an idiot cannot understand basic politics or geo-politics.

Here's the most hillarious part in all of this. If anyone criticised Whoopy Goldberg for anything other than her Holocaust comment, that person would be accused of racism (certainly by liberals) because Whoopy is black. But because Whoopy made the comment against Jews, she is open to critisim devoid of accusations/labels of racism because she herself is accused of being a racist (anti-Semite) with her comments.

Kind of like a double negative but proving beyond all doubt the propaganda is now ingrained.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Here's the most hillarious part in all of this. If anyone criticised Whoopy Goldberg for anything other than her Holocaust comment, that person would be accused of racism (certainly by liberals) because Whoopy is black. But because Whoopy made the comment against Jews, she is open to critisim devoid of accusations/labels of racism because she herself is accused of being a racist (anti-Semite) with her comments.

Kind of like a double negative but proving beyond all doubt the propaganda is now ingrained.

What is even more hillarious, Israeli Jews are the most racist people on the planet esp against black people. Whoopy Berg needs to educate herself on the phlight of black Jews in Israel. She would not call out Israel for this but will run around the streets shouting BLM.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Interesting topic.

Quite a clumsy argument from Whoopi but the whole race/religion theory when it comes to Judaism is quite complex.

If you were to take Ivanka Trump, Alan Sugar and a member of the neutri karti indigenous to Palestine, and test their genetics, there would be no match.

It is however true that Hitler viewed the Jews of Europe as a distinct ethnic group and its quite likely that the Jews of Europe were racially homogenous.

On the other hand the state of Israel allows anyone to claim citizenship though- no matter if you are russian, polish, ethiopian, iranian, even Sindhi Pakistani. There is very little shared common genetic hertigage. If you are Jewish by faith and tour ancestors have never set one toe in Palestine you can still boot out an indigenous Arab from their home.

Whoopi should ask the outraged people which definition they prefer - race or religion? Using them interchangeably is confusing, changes the goal posts and gets well intentioned women like Whoopi into trouble.

 

[PakLFC]

Nope. Her real name is Caryn Elaine Johnson, she changed her name to Whoopy Goldberg, to break into a Zionist controlled industry, Hollywood.

She is never getting another role in Hollywood movies in her life time now!

Oh well! I only really liked her in "Ghost"

 

[Robert]

Its not so simple. Look into why WW1 took place, the role of the SOME German Jews in helping others to defeat Germany. Escalated into hatred for them by Germans. If rich Muslims helped Iraq to destroy Britain, what do you think would happen to the rest of the Muslims here? Of course killing anyone on mass is not right but there is so much detail/context into the wars but you wont be taught this in school.

WW1 took place because a Serbian terrorist assassinated an Austrian Archduke, giving Austria-Hungary the excuse to invade Serbia. Then one after the other, all the European powers piled in on one side or the other due to historical alliances. Russia helped Serbia, Germany helped Austria-Hungary, Britain and France helped Belgium and the Ottomans joined in too.

German hatred of Jews is older than that. It began with various late nineteenth-century philosophers such as Nietzsche. I don’t think Nietzsche was racist but that is how the Nazis interpreted his ideas. There were plenty of antisemitic German propaganda even during WW1 and perhaps some German Jews reacted against that.

 

[Robert]

She is another so called liberal who is a warmonger. This is so emabarrasing for Rand Paul and for the fake liberals.

Come again? He is a Republican! He supported the Tea Party of grassroots conservatives.

 

[James]

Come again? He is a Republican! He supported the Tea Party of grassroots conservatives.

Liberalism in the US context is quite a broad church, there are people who identify as liberals in both the Dems and the GOP. Rand Paul and Ron Paul I would describe as more libertarian than liberal which is a bit of a different thing.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Interesting topic.

Quite a clumsy argument from Whoopi but the whole race/religion theory when it comes to Judaism is quite complex.

If you were to take Ivanka Trump, Alan Sugar and a member of the neutri karti indigenous to Palestine, and test their genetics, there would be no match.

It is however true that Hitler viewed the Jews of Europe as a distinct ethnic group and its quite likely that the Jews of Europe were racially homogenous.

On the other hand the state of Israel allows anyone to claim citizenship though- no matter if you are russian, polish, ethiopian, iranian, even Sindhi Pakistani. There is very little shared common genetic hertigage. If you are Jewish by faith and tour ancestors have never set one toe in Palestine you can still boot out an indigenous Arab from their home.

Whoopi should ask the outraged people which definition they prefer - race or religion? Using them interchangeably is confusing, changes the goal posts and gets well intentioned women like Whoopi into trouble.

Yes, I don't think her intentions were wrong, but of course at the time Jews were not really considered white. Not sure if that's still the case in today's world where so many Jews have assimilated in Europe and the Americas. You couldn't really walk into a conference hall of 50 people and distinguish Jews by their race, whereas if there were African or Asian people would be pretty easy.

 

[Robert]

Liberalism in the US context is quite a broad church, there are people who identify as liberals in both the Dems and the GOP. Rand Paul and Ron Paul I would describe as more libertarian than liberal which is a bit of a different thing.

Quite so.

Libertarianism seems to be about shrinking the state and maximum personal freedom.

Liberalism balanced personal freedom with Stuart Mill’s Harm Principle - your right to freedom ends where someone else’s is impaired. Balances personal rights with public responsibility. Civic power devolved to the max

 

[PakLFC]

Whoopi or whoever she is will be wealthy enough now having worked in Hollywood for years. She doesn't have the need to work anymore if she spends her earnings wisely. I am sure it was no accident when she made the comment about the holocaust then there is always the chance of making up with the industry big wigs. Her net worth is $60 million so she isn't starving or anything like that. https://parade.com/1197075/jessicasager/whoopi-goldberg-net-worth/

 

[Robert]

She has been taken off NBC for a couple of weeks while the row cools down.

Basically put on the naughty step to think about what she has said.

 

[Robert]

David Baddiel is fascinating on the perception of Jews as part or not part of the white race.

The hard left perceives them as hyper-rich and hyper-white.

The modern hard right perceives them as not white at all.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Baddiel's comments are a slap in the face of the millions of Black Jewish people around the world.

 

[Technics 1210]

So NBC suspend her for 2 week despite her apologising? Pathetic.

Meanwhile Jews have free reign to insult others and get away with it (Baddiel).

One rule for them another rules for the rest.

 

[James]

Baddiel's comments are a slap in the face of the millions of Black Jewish people around the world.

In what way ?

 

[DeadlyVenom]

In his recent book he makes it very clear that he is writing from a British Jewish perspective only.

It doesn't matter, the point still stands.

What about Black British Jews?

Baddiel is claiming Jewishness for people that look like him - I hate the term but I can't think of any other but its "white privilege". He can be white when he wants and a Jewish atheist when he feels the guilt of abandoning his religion and wants to pretend to be connected with his roots.

He should be more supportive of Whoopi rather than try to put the boot in further.

Jewish people have the unique position of being a "race" when it supports people like David Baddiel and the NBC TV show host, and becoming a religion when it comes to immigration purposes.

Now that not Baddiels fault - but he should acknowledge the complexity of the issue instead of white washing it.

 

[James]

It doesn't matter, the point still stands.

What about Black British Jews?

Baddiel is claiming Jewishness for people that look like him - I hate the term but I can't think of any other but its "white privilege". He can be white when he wants and a Jewish atheist when he feels the guilt of abandoning his religion and wants to pretend to be connected with his roots.

He should be more supportive of Whoopi rather than try to put the boot in further.

Jewish people have the unique position of being a "race" when it supports people like David Baddiel and the NBC TV show host, and becoming a religion when it comes to immigration purposes.

Now that not Baddiels fault - but he should acknowledge the complexity of the issue instead of white washing it.

Ok

 

[Robert]

It doesn't matter, the point still stands.

What about Black British Jews?

Baddiel is claiming Jewishness for people that look like him - I hate the term but I can't think of any other but its "white privilege". He can be white when he wants and a Jewish atheist when he feels the guilt of abandoning his religion and wants to pretend to be connected with his roots.

He should be more supportive of Whoopi rather than try to put the boot in further.

Jewish people have the unique position of being a "race" when it supports people like David Baddiel and the NBC TV show host, and becoming a religion when it comes to immigration purposes.

Now that not Baddiels fault - but he should acknowledge the complexity of the issue instead of white washing it.

Baddiel was talking about what Whoopi said. Whoopi was talking about white German Jews, not black British Jews. That’s why she said the Holocaust wasn’t about race. She thought the German Jews were the same race as the German gentiles.

 

[Technics 1210]

Where are the BLM crew now? Let’s hear it, NBC is racist, yes?

What a predicament.

 

[Technics 1210]

For the record, the Holocaust wasn’t about the Jewish race, it was about preserving the Aryan race. Small but crucial detail.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Baddiel was talking about what Whoopi said. Whoopi was talking about white German Jews, not black British Jews. That’s why she said the Holocaust wasn’t about race. She thought the German Jews were the same race as the German gentiles.

If there are distinct races such as White German Jews and Black British Jews then it's easy to see why the issue is confusing.

Whoopies argument was not ill-intentioned but it was rather clumsy and it's easy to see why she was confused.

It appears that Jewishness is a race when it comes to the holocaust ( which fwiw I think is reasonably accurate) but a religion when it comes to Russians and Poles being able to displace Palestinians.

When the definitions are ever changing its hard to keep up.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

David Baddiel is fascinating on the perception of Jews as part or not part of the white race.

The hard left perceives them as hyper-rich and hyper-white.

The modern hard right perceives them as not white at all.

The Alt-right likes to refer to the west as "the judeo-christian" west i.e Jewish people belong and Muslims don't.

 

[Robert]

The Alt-right likes to refer to the west as "the judeo-christian" west i.e Jewish people belong and Muslims don't.

That’s because Christians follow the Old Testament (Judaic) as well as New Testament (Christian).

Don’t be fooled by semantics. Remember those far right folk at Charlottesville chanting “Jew will not replace us”? There is deep and ancient hate, many pogroms over the centuries.

 

[Technics 1210]

That’s because Christians follow the Old Testament (Judaic) as well as New Testament (Christian).

Don’t be fooled by semantics. Remember those far right folk at Charlottesville chanting “Jew will not replace us”? There is deep and ancient hate, many pogroms over the centuries.

Jesus was born a Jew, died a Jew.

Christianity was a religion born out of guilt after the death of Jesus; Jews killed Jesus, the Messiah.

 

[KingKhanWC]

WW1 took place because a Serbian terrorist assassinated an Austrian Archduke, giving Austria-Hungary the excuse to invade Serbia. Then one after the other, all the European powers piled in on one side or the other due to historical alliances. Russia helped Serbia, Germany helped Austria-Hungary, Britain and France helped Belgium and the Ottomans joined in too.

German hatred of Jews is older than that. It began with various late nineteenth-century philosophers such as Nietzsche. I don’t think Nietzsche was racist but that is how the Nazis interpreted his ideas. There were plenty of antisemitic German propaganda even during WW1 and perhaps some German Jews reacted against that.

Germany was a growing superpower in the late 1800's and into the 1900's. Others such as Britain didnt like this. You dont have a world war because of one mans death, its far more deeper.

The German Zionist Jews who began to show up, helped others against their home and were rewarded with the Balfour decleration. After Germany was defeated, the hatred against them grew rapidly.

Its not as simple as Germans hated Jews as a race.

Come again? He is a Republican! He supported the Tea Party of grassroots conservatives.

The video was to show how igorant and stupid those presenters were esp Whoopie. It wasnt to show how amazing Rand Paul is. I thought this would be obvious.

Ive read Whoopie thinks she is a black Jewish woman. Israeli Jews dont see black Jews as their equals but you wont see Whoopie running around Israel with a BLM sign.

Its confusing for BLM, should they defend Whoopie or risk angering their masters?

 

[Technics 1210]

Germany was a growing superpower in the late 1800's and into the 1900's. Others such as Britain didnt like this. You dont have a world war because of one mans death, its far more deeper.

The German Zionist Jews who began to show up, helped others against their home and were rewarded with the Balfour decleration. After Germany was defeated, the hatred against them grew rapidly.

Its not as simple as Germans hated Jews as a race.



The video was to show how igorant and stupid those presenters were esp Whoopie. It wasnt to show how amazing Rand Paul is. I thought this would be obvious.

Ive read Whoopie thinks she is a black Jewish woman. Israeli Jews dont see black Jews as their equals but you wont see Whoopie running around Israel with a BLM sign.

Its confusing for BLM, should they defend Whoopie or risk angering their masters?

Hitler’s hatred of the Jews stemmed primarily from the fact that while Germany was not responsible for starting WW1, the Jews pushed for Germany to be punished through financial restitution by blaming Germany through the The Treaty of Versailles.

No one is born a racist.

 

[Robert]

Germany was a growing superpower in the late 1800's and into the 1900's. Others such as Britain didnt like this. You dont have a world war because of one mans death, its far more deeper.

The German Zionist Jews who began to show up, helped others against their home and were rewarded with the Balfour decleration. After Germany was defeated, the hatred against them grew rapidly.

Its not as simple as Germans hated Jews as a race.

The video was to show how igorant and stupid those presenters were esp Whoopie. It wasnt to show how amazing Rand Paul is. I thought this would be obvious.

Ive read Whoopie thinks she is a black Jewish woman. Israeli Jews dont see black Jews as their equals but you wont see Whoopie running around Israel with a BLM sign.

Its confusing for BLM, should they defend Whoopie or risk angering their masters?

Germany joined WW2 because their opponents Russia declared war again their allies Austria-Hungary, after the latter invaded Serbia.

Whoopi is a Black American not a Black Israeli.

You seem dangerously close to claiming that the German Jews were somehow to blame for the Holocaust. This is victim blaming. Jews from all over Europe and the invaded parts of Russia were murdered, not just German Jews. The Nazis and nobody else were to blame for the Holocaust, though some collaborator governments assisted them. Decent brave citizens resisted in peril if their own lives by shielding Jews from the authorities. I only hope I could be that brave.

This trope you have just repeated about the Jews controlling the Blacks comes straight out of Nazi Party propaganda. I would never utter it to a Black person if I were you.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Jesus was born a Jew, died a Jew.

Christianity was a religion born out of guilt after the death of Jesus; Jews killed Jesus, the Messiah.

Wasn't Christianity born as a natural progression since Judaism was considered primarily for the chosen people of Hebrew descent specifically? I don't know that much about it, but since the creation of Israel, my impression has always been that Judaism is somewhat exclusive.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Germany joined WW2 because their opponents Russia declared war again their allies Austria-Hungary, after the latter invaded Serbia.

Whoopi is a Black American not a Black Israeli.

You seem dangerously close to claiming that the German Jews were somehow to blame for the Holocaust. This is victim blaming. Jews from all over Europe and the invaded parts of Russia were murdered, not just German Jews. The Nazis and nobody else were to blame for the Holocaust, though some collaborator governments assisted them. Decent brave citizens resisted in peril if their own lives by shielding Jews from the authorities. I only hope I could be that brave.

This trope you have just repeated about the Jews controlling the Blacks comes straight out of Nazi Party propaganda. I would never utter it to a Black person if I were you.

Lame accusastions.

Try a Jewish Israeli newspaper.

The main goal of the Balfour Declaration as far as Britain was concerned was to reduce the opposition of the American Jewish community to going to war on its side. Among the reasons the declaration was written as a letter to Lord Rothschild was also the consideration that the Rothschild family’s connections with Jewish financiers in New York would aid in this mission.

https://www.haaretz.com/opinion/.pr...tion-behind-the-balfour-declaration-1.5462518

Is this paper also victim blaming.

Historic facts are historic facts, you or the BBC cannot deny.

As for Blacks, my point was why dont they stand up for Black Jews in Israel?

Im more aware of the horrors of wars including perscution and religious hatred. Reason why I was against the middle east wars , Israeli occupation and others. You are not against these.