Why are England so overrated?

[Technics 1210]

It would have been a fluke, because Australia is far stronger than Pakistan. However, they had a bad day against us and handed us the match on a platter, but we were too pathetic to take advantage. Had we played as well as we played against England, we would have beaten them.

You claimed that Pakistan's victory over England was also a fluke because England had a bad day, so granting the notion had Pakistan won the match vs Australia, you would be the first to claim fluke.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

I understand the concerns of the Indian fans, but I also think they are quite a pessimistic bunch in spite of the fact that India is an elite team. The success of the past 15-16 years has spoiled them. They are pretty much the opposite of Pakistani fans, who are deluded beyond measure and tend to live in denial.

Indians fans tend to overemphasise on the weaknesses of their teams instead of focusing on their strengths.

Indians are not pessimistic but simply frustrated.

What has happened in Indian cricket in the last 4 years is indefensible.

Imagine you are a top student and you can potentially be a university topper.

But people in your home don't let you study or send you to the coaching you feel you need inspite of being capable of doing so.

Now when you go and take the university exams, you would still do well.

Maybe even top it if things click.

But you know your preparation was not good.

You know some people didn't allow you to prepare well.

If you lament about this, does that mean you are pessimistic?

No.

It might look that way to other students but it's not the case.

Its a case of gross negligence that is robbing you of a great chance for glory.

Any student would be bitter in this situation.

Indian fans are no diff.

 

[Hasan123]

He said it as a joke. Not only have you mistranslated it, you haven't captured the humour of his expression as well. Anyway, not winning the World Cup would count as a failure for this England team. This is their best ODI side of all time and they have put all their eggs in the World Cup basket for four years. They have been preparing for it since 2015, and if they fall short, it will be very heartbreaking. I do hope they go all the way.

If they win I wouldn't be upset but If they fail it would be hilarious.

The weather is going to be hotter in the UK so there is a chance pitches could be the same as yesterday.

If England struggled against De Silva, imagine what will happen against specialist spinners. You still have not come up a reason as to why England have struggled against part time spinners LOL.

 

[Technics 1210]

Losing in the semifinal will never be more pathetic than losing in a group game to your big rivals.

LOL WHAT?

Ask any team, they'd rather lose in the group stages than in the SF or Final! It hurts more when you lose knowing you are so close!

 

[Mamoon]

You claimed that Pakistan's victory over England was also a fluke because England had a bad day, so granting the notion had Pakistan won the match vs Australia, you would be the first to claim fluke.

I would, but we were too pathetic to even fluke a win.

 

[Mamoon]

LOL WHAT?

Ask any team, they'd rather lose in the group stages than in the SF or Final! It hurts more when you lose knowing you are so close!

Maybe in the warped heads of Pakistani fans who would rather beat India than win the World Cup, but for most serious teams and most serious observers, losing a final or a seminal will never be worse in than crashing out in the group stage.

Exiting a tournament in the group stage means that you were pathetic, while losing in the final or the seminal means that you were one of the better teams in the tournament, went close to going all the way but fell just short.

Of course you will be hurt to lose a semifinal or final, but the pain is still less than the shame of crashing out in the group stage.

 

[Ronaldo7]

They're not overrated. Just look at their record from 2015-2019.

 

[Mamoon]

If they win I wouldn't be upset but If they fail it would be hilarious.

The weather is going to be hotter in the UK so there is a chance pitches could be the same as yesterday.

If England struggled against De Silva, imagine what will happen against specialist spinners. You still have not come up a reason as to why England have struggled against part time spinners LOL.

What reason? It was just one match and they had two unlucky dismissals.

 

[Mamoon]

Indians are not pessimistic but simply frustrated.

What has happened in Indian cricket in the last 4 years is indefensible.

Imagine you are a top student and you can potentially be a university topper.

But people in your home don't let you study or send you to the coaching you feel you need inspite of being capable of doing so.

Now when you go and take the university exams, you would still do well.

Maybe even top it if things click.

But you know your preparation was not good.

You know some people didn't allow you to prepare well.

If you lament about this, does that mean you are pessimistic?

No.

It might look that way to other students but it's not the case.

Its a case of gross negligence that is robbing you of a great chance for glory.

Any student would be bitter in this situation.

Indian fans are no diff.

No doubt this Indian team could be better - selections like DK etc. make absolutely no sense, but in spite of all of that, India is still an elite team and rightfully the big favourites to go all the way.

 

[Hasan123]

What reason? It was just one match and they had two unlucky dismissals.

They struggled against Malik and Hafeez as well. Shadab got Roy out. England struggle against spin when there is scoreboard pressure. Pitches are going to get lower.

 

[Technics 1210]

Maybe in the warped heads of Pakistani fans who would rather beat India than win the World Cup, but for most serious teams and most serious observers, losing a final or a seminal will never be worse in than crashing out in the group stage.

Go ask Indian fans after CT17 final how they felt.

Exiting a tournament in the group stage means that you were pathetic, while losing in the final or the seminal means that you were one of the better teams in the tournament, went close to going all the way but fell just short.

Which proves the fact losing when so close hurts more.

Of course you will be hurt to lose a semifinal or final, but the pain is still less than the shame of crashing out in the group stage.

Don't confuse pain with shame.

 

[Mamoon]

Rankings do not take into account all variables. The teams do not play each other equal number of times within the 3 year period, and the points system is weighted. A high rank team beating a low rank team will gain less points compared to a low rank team beating a high rank team. Moreover 2/3 teams can play each other day and night and gain points respectively to the top.

Pakistan's 6th rank is not proof of anything, it is an indication. If the cricket rankings were proof of anything, then bookmakers would be out of business as there'd be no fluke results.

No system is perfect, but it is still the most accurate measure of the strength of a team. Even if teams play each other equal no of times within an X year period, a rubbish team like Pakistan will still not be good enough to become a top two team, while the likes of England and India will not be ranked 6th.

In spite of a couple of funny results, it is still looking increasingly likely that England, India, Australia and New Zealand will be the four semifinalists, which is a true representation of the relative strengths of the 10 teams in this tournament. Pakistan's 6th ranking is proof of its mediocrity, but flukes happen in every sport, and that is why bookmakers are in business.

However, flukes don't mean that rankings are meaningless. Rankings would be meaningless if let's say a 6th ranked Pakistan team beats the top ranked England team 3-2 in a 5 match series, but the 5 full matches between the two sides this summer proved why England are 1st and Pakistan are 6th.

 

[Mamoon]

Go ask Indian fans after CT17 final how they felt.

They felt bad, because their strong team had a complete meltdown against an inferior team that too in the final. However, would Indian fans have preferred crashing out in the group stage or lose the final? The answer is obvious - losing in the group stage is worse than losing the final.

You can do your own little experiment. Make a thread on PP and conduct a pool - ask fans of every team if they would rather lose the World Cup final or exit the group stage. I guarantee that the majority would prefer losing the final over a group stage exist.

Which proves the fact losing when so close hurts more.
Don't confuse pain with shame.

Losing the final makes you look like a strong, respectable team that had a real go at winning the tournament but felt just short. Getting eliminated in the group makes you look like a pathetic, weak team that made no effort to come close to winning the tournament.

Pakistani fans have become so immunity to the mediocrity of their team that they would actually prefer crashing out in the group stage instead of losing the final. Pity. However, even most Pakistanis fans will disagree with you.

 

[Technics 1210]

No system is perfect, but it is still the most accurate measure of the strength of a team. Even if teams play each other equal no of times within an X year period, a rubbish team like Pakistan will still not be good enough to become a top two team, while the likes of England and India will not be ranked 6th.

In spite of a couple of funny results, it is still looking increasingly likely that England, India, Australia and New Zealand will be the four semifinalists, which is a true representation of the relative strengths of the 10 teams in this tournament. Pakistan's 6th ranking is proof of its mediocrity, but flukes happen in every sport, and that is why bookmakers are in business.

However, flukes don't mean that rankings are meaningless. Rankings would be meaningless if let's say a 6th ranked Pakistan team beats the top ranked England team 3-2 in a 5 match series, but the 5 full matches between the two sides this summer proved why England are 1st and Pakistan are 6th.

Why 5 match series?

When Pakistan won 4 games on the trot in CT17, ranked 7 vs higher ranked teams, that was a fluke according to you, yet here you are again undermining your argument again by proving the rankings are meaningless given Pakistan beat top ranked teams to win the CT17.

The EPL ranking/league system is perfect and accurate measure of strength. Each team plays equal number of games, home and away.

 

[Technics 1210]

They felt bad, because their strong team had a complete meltdown against an inferior team that too in the final. However, would Indian fans have preferred crashing out in the group stage or lose the final? The answer is obvious - losing in the group stage is worse than losing the final.

You can do your own little experiment. Make a thread on PP and conduct a pool - ask fans of every team if they would rather lose the World Cup final or exit the group stage. I guarantee that the majority would prefer losing the final over a group stage exist.

Losing the final makes you look like a strong, respectable team that had a real go at winning the tournament but felt just short. Getting eliminated in the group makes you look like a pathetic, weak team that made no effort to come close to winning the tournament.

Pakistani fans have become so immunity to the mediocrity of their team that they would actually prefer crashing out in the group stage instead of losing the final. Pity. However, even most Pakistanis fans will disagree with you.

Right, this is why you have said that Pakistan ending up runner ups in comps was also a fluke.

You really a work of art.

 

[Mamoon]

Why 5 match series?

Because the longer the series, the less chance for a weaker team to get lucky and fluke wins. This current Pakistan team can fluke a win over England in a one-off game, but they will never win a series if the respective strengths of the two teams remain.

Pakistan have been a pathetic, minnow level ODI team since for very long now, and that is why post 2005, Pakistan have played:

5 ODI series vs England, lost all 5
6 ODI series vs Australia, lost all 6
6 ODI series vs South Africa, lost 5
4 ODI series vs New Zealand, lost 3

The longer the series, the harder it is for a weak team to prevail.

When Pakistan won 4 games on the trot in CT17, ranked 7 vs higher ranked teams, that was a fluke according to you, yet here you are again undermining your argument again by proving the rankings are meaningless given Pakistan beat top ranked teams to win the CT17.

Sri Lanka was 7th at the time, and an equally shambolic side. Beating them was not an achievement.

However, Pakistan won one-off matches against South Africa, England and India. They caught them on their bad days.

If that Pakistan were to play that England, India or South Africa in a 5 match series in those conditions, Pakistan would have lost all three series.

The EPL ranking/league system is perfect and accurate measure of strength. Each team plays equal number of games, home and away.

That's how league football works, not sure why you had to highlight EPL specifically. Anyway, if that system is implemented in ODI cricket, you won't find Pakistan in the top three and neither would you find England and India at 6th or 7th.

 

[Mamoon]

Right, this is why you have said that Pakistan ending up runner ups in comps was also a fluke.

You really a work of art.

Which competition?

 

[Technics 1210]

Because the longer the series, the less chance for a weaker team to get lucky and fluke wins. This current Pakistan team can fluke a win over England in a one-off game, but they will never win a series if the respective strengths of the two teams remain.

Pakistan have been a pathetic, minnow level ODI team since for very long now, and that is why post 2005, Pakistan have played:

5 ODI series vs England, lost all 5
6 ODI series vs Australia, lost all 6
6 ODI series vs South Africa, lost 5
4 ODI series vs New Zealand, lost 3

The longer the series, the harder it is for a weak team to prevail.



Sri Lanka was 7th at the time, and an equally shambolic side. Beating them was not an achievement.

However, Pakistan won one-off matches against South Africa, England and India. They caught them on their bad days.

If that Pakistan were to play that England, India or South Africa in a 5 match series in those conditions, Pakistan would have lost all three series.

I can understand one team having a bad day, but THREE top teams having a bad day? What are the odds for that?

That's how league football works, not sure why you had to highlight EPL specifically. Anyway, if that system is implemented in ODI cricket, you won't find Pakistan in the top three and neither would you find England and India at 6th or 7th.

The EPL league system is the best way to determine the strength of a team. If Pakistan end up in the bottom of a league system like that of the EPL, that is fair, then you may have a point (which is why I mentioned the EPL), but right now the cricket ranking systems are flawed.

There is more chance of a lower ranked team beating a higher ranked team in cricket, compared to Football upsets. This is why Pakistan was able to win the CT17, because there are far more variables in Cricket than any other sport in earth and the ranking system does not reflect this.

 

[Mamoon]

I can understand one team having a bad day, but THREE top teams having a bad day? What are the odds for that?

Very low, which is why it has only happened to Pakistan once in its history, and will probably not happen again.

The EPL league system is the best way to determine the strength of a team. If Pakistan end up in the bottom of a league system like that of the EPL, that is fair, then you may have a point (which is why I mentioned the EPL), but right now the cricket ranking systems are flawed.

Best sounds better than perfect which you previously stated. No system can be perfect, and neither is the league football system of playing two matches. Man City lost at home to Crystal Palace but won away. The record shows them 1-1, but if they were to play each other more often, Man City would obviously prevail.

There is more chance of a lower ranked team beating a higher ranked team in cricket, compared to Football upsets. This is why Pakistan was able to win the CT17, because there are far more variables in Cricket than any other sport in earth and the ranking system does not reflect this.

Not really. Upsets happen in football as well. Again, Crystal Palace wouldn’t have dreamed of winning at Etihad this season. Teams like Leicester and Blackburn have won the Premier League, the likes of Wigan and Portsmouth have won the FA Cup in the last 10 years or so, Spurs made the Champions League Final, Porto win in 2004 etc. etc.

Cricket cannot adopt a league system like football because playing one match in each country is not practical, but even if they play one series in each country over a specific period of time, you won’t see Pakistan rise to the top 3 because the team is simply not good enough.

No matter what the ranking system is or how it is calculated, England, India, Australia and New Zealand will be above Pakistan.

 

[Usergame]

They aren't overated though. Their odi record over the last 3 years speaks for itself. Past England teams have nothing to do with it.

They have lost 2 games to inferior teams and its still possible they might choke under the pressure to miss out on the semis. If they make the semis, the lessons from these 2 losses might help them in those games.. it may not.. you never know.

They are just a very good odi team as of now. They will be great if they win it imo. I feel they are a odi specialist type of team though, their test team isnt too great right now.

 

[Technics 1210]

Cricket cannot adopt a league system like football because playing one match in each country is not practical, but even if they play one series in each country over a specific period of time, you won’t see Pakistan rise to the top 3 because the team is simply not good enough.

No matter what the ranking system is or how it is calculated, England, India, Australia and New Zealand will be above Pakistan.

Proving the cricket rankings system is flawed. Whether Pakistan reach the top 3 is not the point, it is how a teams ranking is calculated which is relevant. Bumrah is #1 ODI bowler at the moment, remind me how many wickets he has taken in the WC? Conversely given Mohammed Amir's ranking in ODI, and how many wickets has he taken in the WC?

Saying this, the current WC format is probably the closet to measuring a team's strength (I say close because of wash outs).

 

[sindhiboy]

Finally someone agrees with me in saying Australia are average. They're honestly nothing threatening. If you see off Starc and Cummins their bowling is extremely mediocre. The one time they came up against a world-class opposition, they got beaten comfortably. Against West Indies and Pakistan, they didn't win, but the opposition lost. Brainless batting by WI, and poor umpiring contributed in WI's loss v Aus, whereas Pakistan were in a great position against them in the chase but gave the game on a plate to the Aussies.

I actually think cummins and starc are not that effective. starc mostly gets wickets in the end. cummins is a test bowler. batters just need to bat properly and don't throw their wicket zampa is getting tonked.

their batting is heavily relient on top 4. not much after that. maxwell is a hit or miss player. stoinis has barely scored ay runs this yea, his bowling is more impactful. alex carey is probably their most reliable batsman in middle order(but he comes at no7).

beating australia is not that hard. seeing off cummins+starc is not that hard and just need to get top order out quickly.

 

[sweep_shot]

England always gets nervous when going gets tough. It could be a psychological issue. They are very good in bilateral tournaments though.

 

[shaz619]

Moeen's form makes a huge difference for England in the lower-order. Without him playing well, their batting depth looks shallow. Not only is he in poor form, he is also playing very reckless cricket. Morgan and Bayliss need to knock him back into his senses.

If it was any other player they would be dropped but his off spin is useful to, Moeen needs to forget he is batting in the lower order and that will have a massive change in his mindset because we expect a lot more from him with the bat, such carelessness can't be tolerated for long but he has been invested in all this time and his utility has to pay off hopefully.

 

[Mian]

It's been only 10 overs and Mamoon is already finding excuses like fluke and luck Come one [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] have some faith in your fav team there is enough match left and England with the great batting line can easily win this one just need a break through

They are bowling decently but that dosn't count until they find a wicket just like you use this argument for Amir who was unlucky too

 

[Hasan123]

I don't think they are overrated. It's just there weaknesses are not pointed out as much. They are beatable if you can exploit there weakness .

 

[Markhor]

I'm surprised that they've dropped only one less catch than us.

England's batsmen need to show they're not one dimensional and can adapt when conditions are trickier and can't just swing through the line of the ball.

 

[Captain caveman]

England are not over rated!
Winn

 

[Captain caveman]

England are not over rated!
Winn

Winning your first wc is always the hardest. Once you have won one, you as a nation and the players, believe you can win another!
Look at pak, we are near the bottom of the table, but we still believe we can win the wc because we have won it before!

 

[James]

Our ODI team could have peaked too early. The deserved number one side in bilaterals going into the tournament, but seem to be slowly slipping out of form at exactly the wrong moment. It will be a real grind to get into the semis now.

 

[Mian]

A little juice in the pitch and England's Golden Generation of FTBs is exposed!

 

[Cric_lover4487]

Why England were rated favorites,?
Yet to beat any top team in this WC. If Eng loses today but beats India and NZ, will they qualify?

 

[Mian]

Where is England's biggest fan on PP with a Pakistani flag? Also known as [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] anyone saw him today?

 

[bujhee kom]

Where is England's biggest fan on PP with a Pakistani flag? Also known as [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] anyone saw him today?

He goes AWOL when his predictions go wrong.

 

[TheRock]

Why England were rated favorites,?
Yet to beat any top team in this WC. If Eng loses today but beats India and NZ, will they qualify?

Yes

 

[The_Odd_One]

England will never get the respect that teams like Australia, India, and South Africa earned. Those teams were capable of beating any team in the world on any ground in any conditions.

England has so far proved to be a very one-dimensional team which is very dangerous on flat tracks. I will not even mention their bowling which is not even among the top 5 in the world.

 

[Technics 1210]

So let e get this straight. An average Aussie team is on the verge of beating the #1 ODI team, at home, in the home of cricket, in a WC?

I guess Aussies caught England on a bad day.

 

[ManFan]

They choke so hard in every sport in every tournament.

 

[Markhor]

On those appallingly flat decks in the bilateral series v Pakistan that would make even the best look like a net bowler, England were unstoppable. Even our guys were slamming 350 scores.

However, and take nothing away from PAK, SL or AUS in this WC, but ask them to adapt on a two paced surface or a track with a bit of seam movement they collapse in a heap.

 

[Ronaldo7]

On those appallingly flat decks in the bilateral series v Pakistan that would make even the best look like a net bowler, England were unstoppable. Even our guys were slamming 350 scores.

However, and take nothing away from PAK, SL or AUS in this WC, but ask them to adapt on a two paced surface or a track with a bit of seam movement they collapse in a heap.

The sa vs pak pitch was two paced. Pak adapted well to that.

 

[zulfiqar]

I'm completely baffled by English performances after seeing what they did to us as recently as a month ago on the same grounds. Either these pitches are different or other teams are doing their homework against them now that it matters (World Cup) and England look like they have not found a way to respond. They still have a chance of course.. but it all comes down to them being in a similar position to Pakistan (i.e. winning out all games) except they haven't faced the juggernaut that is India!

 

[Cric_lover4487]

Why England didn't prepared flat deck vs Australia?. Its open secret they can't chase under pressure.

 

[bujhee kom]

Mental midgets.

 

[babajee]

Jos Buttler is the most overrated batsman in the world today. What has he done apart from smashing a few 50 ball 100s against Pakistan?

Sky commie team were saying he's up there with Viv, Kohli, Dhoni etc

 

[Syed1]

"England will be first team to score 500" ) ) )

 

[Gullycricket]

Eng even if they qualify have lost that aura about them now.

 

[Hasan123]

Seeing them struggle against Lyon, De Silva, Hafeez, and Malik was hilarious and predictable.

 

[andy0204]

Seeing them struggle against Lyon, De Silva, Hafeez, and Malik was hilarious and predictable.

kuldeep and chahal will make them mediocre,picture abhi baaki hai mere dost

 

[Technics 1210]

Jokes aside, THREE mediocre teams have beaten the #1 ODI team in this WC.

Pakistan
Sri Lanka
Australia.

What is more believable? England are overrated, or the above teams are more than mediocre when it comes to tournaments?

 

[Obaidd]

With due respect to you. Lol@ calling Aus mediocre.

They have
1) the top 2 highest scorers in this WC so far.
2) the highest wicket taker
And
3) the highest individual score

Are we following the same WC?

 

[Surya Kiran]

No doubt this Indian team could be better - selections like DK etc. make absolutely no sense, but in spite of all of that, India is still an elite team and rightfully the big favourites to go all the way.

Dinesh Karthik's selection is because of India's middle order soft belly

 

[Surya Kiran]

English Media gets carried away from time to time

 

[jnaveen1980]

English Media gets carried away from time to time

Not "from time to time". All the time. This is not restricted to Cricket. Football, Tennis you name it.

 

[Paka Lahori]

Let’s just be honest. Roy’s injury has dented England batting badly especially not being able to get a start from their openers.

 

[par]

No doubt this Indian team could be better - selections like DK etc. make absolutely no sense, but in spite of all of that, India is still an elite team and rightfully the big favourites to go all the way.

Dinesh Karthik is the back up keeper for Indian team. His selection makes perfect sense considering Pant has a lot to improve as a keeper.

 

[light]

Jokes aside, THREE mediocre teams have beaten the #1 ODI team in this WC.

Pakistan
Sri Lanka
Australia.

What is more believable? England are overrated, or the above teams are more than mediocre when it comes to tournaments?

Australia = mediocre? I must be watching the wrong WC here...

 

[Technics 1210]

Australia = mediocre? I must be watching the wrong WC here...

My post was riddled with sarcasm and a follow up to some ridiculous claims by some PP members. Ergo, England are overrated.

 

[Mamoon]

Two massive performances under pressure by the mental midgets and overrated chokers.

 

[battler]

Two massive performances under pressure by the mental midgets and overrated chokers.

Who do you think is the favourite in a likely Ind Vs Eng semi?Keep in mind India have played 2 games at edgbaston compared to England's 1

 

[Mamoon]

Who do you think is the favourite in a likely Ind Vs Eng semi?Keep in mind India have played 2 games at edgbaston compared to England's 1

50-50. Very hard to call, although my hunch is that England will win the World Cup. Anyway, whatever the result, both teams can hold their head high.

There is no shame for England to lose to India and vice versa.

 

[Robert]

England will never get the respect that teams like Australia, India, and South Africa earned. Those teams were capable of beating any team in the world on any ground in any conditions.

England has so far proved to be a very one-dimensional team which is very dangerous on flat tracks. I will not even mention their bowling which is not even among the top 5 in the world.

Seems to be in the top four....

 

[battler]

50-50. Very hard to call, although my hunch is that England will win the World Cup. Anyway, whatever the result, both teams can hold their head high.

There is no shame for England to lose to India and vice versa.

I reckon whoever wins the toss will emerge winners as it is nigh impossible to chase 300 in edgbaston. Whereas batting first, you can really take the attack to the opposition in the first 20 overs. England slight favourites as they are more likely to take advantage of favourable batting conditions than India.

 

[Mamoon]

I reckon whoever wins the toss will emerge winners as it is nigh impossible to chase 300 in edgbaston. Whereas batting first, you can really take the attack to the opposition in the first 20 overs. England slight favourites as they are more likely to take advantage of favourable batting conditions than India.

True, both teams are equally capable of chasing as well. Should be a fascinating contest.

 

[Afridi96]

I overrated them before the World Cup because I thought even if the pitch had something in it for the bowlers they’d still be able to perform well, I guess not. England have shown in this World Cup so far that they don’t handle pressure well. If they have to chase in the semis or final they’ll fold like a pack of cards.

 

[Dead Ball]

I reckon whoever wins the toss will emerge winners as it is nigh impossible to chase 300 in edgbaston. Whereas batting first, you can really take the attack to the opposition in the first 20 overs. England slight favourites as they are more likely to take advantage of favourable batting conditions than India.

If Kohli is in the mood, we can chase 300 on most pitches....just chase it down before granpa comes to the wicket...

 

[Revolution]

As usual play slowly for 15 overs and then increase the run rate. Hope they will not lose quick wickets against England.
Both chahal and kuldeep should come back.
Kedar should be rested for all matches.

 

[battler]

If Kohli is in the mood, we can chase 300 on most pitches....just chase it down before granpa comes to the wicket...

Yup we need to draft in Agarwal in the opening spot ASAP. We need to strengthen our batting as much as we can. Rahul is more of a liability these days. This should be our ideal XI

Agarwal
Sharma
Vk
Pant
Pandya
Dhoni
Jadeja
Bhuvi
Shami
Chahal
Bumrah

Don't think DK will offer us more than what jadeja can. Plus jadeja is also an insurance if any of our main bowlers break down or have an off day.