Why are Indians studying in Ukraine/Russia?

[Romali_rotti]

I had a discussion yesterday with my cousin in India and was told that there are a lot of Indian students that go to Ukraine/Russia to study medicine.

It is a lot cheaper to get the qualification in Ukraine/Russia apparently than in India and in other countries. The issue however is that the course is mainly taught in Ukrainian/Russian apparently? So, you must wonder what these kids are learning?

My cousin tells me that she is quite concerned as a lot of them are coming back with the Ukrainian/Russian qualification without being properly qualified. Apparently, some parents send their kids after finishing year/grade 10 to Ukraine to study medicine for them to become a doctor quicker at a younger age, (this is scary).

I have been told that to become a doctor in India once they have gained their qualification in Ukraine/Russia, they need to do exams with Indian pre-requisites. However, the exams can easily be passed with a good bribe, and they can practice as doctors in India, which is essentially a license to kill/mis-treat people due to their lack of understanding of the field.

Another concerning bit of info my cousin told me was the Agents in India who are responsible for getting the visa, university enrolment etc are guaranteeing the kids wanting to study medicine in Ukraine/Russia with a qualification, what does this mean? more bribes to print out the degree?

Who is to blame for this? parents in India, want the status symbol that comes from their child being a doctor, or is the agents who are responsible for bringing the kids to Ukraine/Russia by offering them the world and a guaranteed degree upon completion?

Is this issue active in Pakistan? I would like to know from both Indians and Pakistanis.

P.S. This thread is not to attack the Indian/Pakistani kids studying in Ukraine/Russia, I have seen some horrific videos of the Indian students being mistreated by the Ukrainian soldiers and they are in my prayers. However, there is a major issue brewing here I feel with a lot of unqualified doctors in India.

 

[Itachi]

Your cousin is wrong on many levels.

I have studied medical in Ukraine. From facility wise, not all state medical universities are up to the mark so you'll have to make your due diligence with that regard about which university to go. This is same as India or in case of any other country.

If you want to study there, the efforts will have to come from you. While you are studying medicine or any graduate course it is assumed that you are adult now and no teacher will spoon feed you. You'll have to approach them for greater understanding or.... Take the short cut by bribing.

But you can pass that only upto a point. After 3rd year and 6th year, you will have to pass a nation wide exam which are called KROK 1 and KROK 2. This exam is one of the toughest exam I've given.

If by any chance, you got a sit with some talented guy or girl, you are lucky but otherwise, you will have to repeat it multiple times.

Secondly agents do make it easier in the admission procedure but you'll have to pay a hefty commission. But you can also go on your own by requesting the university for a invitation letter. You can do all that by yourself and it actually isn't that hard. Since Ukraine isn't some first world country, it is very easy to approach their embassy.

Thridly, after just passing the MCI exam, no hospital will allow you to treat patients. You will have to work under someone in most cases and the works that you will do are mostly table jobs (which has nothing to do with medicine) while in the mean time learn the traits as somewhat apprentice. If you want to practice in a hilly or remote area, you will treat patients but in common scenario, your seniors won't allow you to write even a prescription initially.

Having said that, while studying, if you want to party, then Ukraine is awesome. But if you want to study and keep a close relationship with the teachers, even in that case Ukraine is awesome too.

The choice is upon the students.

 

[Romali_rotti]

Your cousin is wrong on many levels.

I have studied medical in Ukraine. From facility wise, not all state medical universities are up to the mark so you'll have to make your due diligence with that regard about which university to go. This is same as India or in case of any other country.

If you want to study there, the efforts will have to come from you. While you are studying medicine or any graduate course it is assumed that you are adult now and no teacher will spoon feed you. You'll have to approach them for greater understanding or.... Take the short cut by bribing.

But you can pass that only upto a point. After 3rd year and 6th year, you will have to pass a nation wide exam which are called KROK 1 and KROK 2. This exam is one of the toughest exam I've given.

If by any chance, you got a sit with some talented guy or girl, you are lucky but otherwise, you will have to repeat it multiple times.

Secondly agents do make it easier in the admission procedure but you'll have to pay a hefty commission. But you can also go on your own by requesting the university for a invitation letter. You can do all that by yourself and it actually isn't that hard. Since Ukraine isn't some first world country, it is very easy to approach their embassy.

Thridly, after just passing the MCI exam, no hospital will allow you to treat patients. You will have to work under someone in most cases and the works that you will do are mostly table jobs (which has nothing to do with medicine) while in the mean time learn the traits as somewhat apprentice. If you want to practice in a hilly or remote area, you will treat patients but in common scenario, your seniors won't allow you to write even a prescription initially.

Having said that, while studying, if you want to party, then Ukraine is awesome. But if you want to study and keep a close relationship with the teachers, even in that case Ukraine is awesome too.

The choice is upon the students.

Thanks for that detailed post Itachi, appreciate it.

If I may: Was the entire course taught in Ukrainian ? If so, did you have much difficulty in learning the language ?

As far as practicing goes, YES, I was told about young graduates from Ukraine working in their own clinic's in remote areas.

However the situation in a place like Kerala, is that they would not need to be an apprentice if a bribe is paid to the senior doctor (this is not the case in every situation but, it does happen).

 

[Itachi]

Thanks for that detailed post Itachi, appreciate it.

If I may: Was the entire course taught in Ukrainian ? If so, did you have much difficulty in learning the language ?

As far as practicing goes, YES, I was told about young graduates from Ukraine working in their own clinic's in remote areas.

However the situation in a place like Kerala, is that they would not need to be an apprentice if a bribe is paid to the senior doctor (this is not the case in every situation but, it does happen).

There is compulsory classes of either Russian or Ukrainian depending upon where you are going to study. It took me less than a year to grasp Russian. It was easier in my case because I've studied sanskrit in school, my mother tongue and Russian all are from the same family of language (which means almost similar grammar).

It was like learning a musical instrument to play while you already know how to play another instrument. You make adjustments here and there and you are good to go for day to day life.

But the key was having local friends. The ukranian people are very friendly (they trust foreigners way easily than us Indians).

For the bribing issue, since senior doctors have more demands and less time, they will refer easier diagnosis cases to the junior ones. They will intervene only if complicacy arise.

We had a few students from kerala. Nice people, studied hard. Tamilnadu has perhaps the biggest amount of students in Ukraine. Go any university and it is guaranteed that you will meet Tamil students.

 

[Stewie]

I cant imagine Ukraine or Russia being cheaper than India for medical education, perhaps not as competitive to get into, but really cannot be cheaper.

 

[RajBan]

I cant imagine Ukraine or Russia being cheaper than India for medical education, perhaps not as competitive to get into, but really cannot be cheaper.

I think it may be cheaper if the donation money is factored in. In India top students can get into Govt Medical colleges which is great and cost is nominal. But private medical education is costly, almost run like a mafia business by the college owners.

 

[Itachi]

I cant imagine Ukraine or Russia being cheaper than India for medical education, perhaps not as competitive to get into, but really cannot be cheaper.

Depends whether it is govt or pvt.

 

[Technics 1210]

Simple, Indians are desperate to flee ‘incredible’ India to any Western nation. I mean who the hell goes to study in a former Soviet communist nation? Simple reason, European passport by any means necessary. Thankfully a European passport doesn’t mean the right to access the UK (now that UK is out of the EU).

 

[cricketjoshila]

Thanks for that detailed post Itachi, appreciate it.

If I may: Was the entire course taught in Ukrainian ? If so, did you have much difficulty in learning the language ?

As far as practicing goes, YES, I was told about young graduates from Ukraine working in their own clinic's in remote areas.

However the situation in a place like Kerala, is that they would not need to be an apprentice if a bribe is paid to the senior doctor (this is not the case in every situation but, it does happen).

Passing rate of FMGE or foreign medical graduate exam is 15 to 20 per cent and its a india wide exam by NBE. So no, Kerala cant bribe their way in.

 

[cricketjoshila]

I cant imagine Ukraine or Russia being cheaper than India for medical education, perhaps not as competitive to get into, but really cannot be cheaper.

In pvt colleges of India, for the basic mbbs degree fees usually start at 100k usd for 5 years.

 

[Cover Drive Six]

In pvt colleges of India, for the basic mbbs degree fees usually start at 100k usd for 5 years.

2 times More than that

 

[Stewie]

2 times More than that

You guys should come to Pakistan for studying medicine at a private college, they are much cheaper there, plus no burden of learning a new language. All the texts and exams would be in English and content delivery will be a mix of english/Urdu verbally, nothing you would be alien to.

 

[Cover Drive Six]

You guys should come to Pakistan for studying medicine at a private college, they are much cheaper there, plus no burden of learning a new language. All the texts and exams would be in English and content delivery will be a mix of english/Urdu verbally, nothing you would be alien to.

What is the total fee for 5 years?

 

[Stewie]

What is the total fee for 5 years?

Just random google search yielded this:

https://smdc.edu.pk/fee-structure-foreign/

But I am sure the rates will vary based on the reputation. This is not a college I have heard of.
Top schools are likely to cost more.

 

[Ahmad-GERMANFC]

Just random google search yielded this:

https://smdc.edu.pk/fee-structure-foreign/

But I am sure the rates will vary based on the reputation. This is not a college I have heard of.
Top schools are likely to cost more.

Please don’t send someone to this school lol.

The good government colleges usually are very cheap and cost PKR 1.5-3 lacs per year excluding room and board.

The best private one (namely AKU) is about $25k per year. But if you manage to get in there you are pretty much guaranteed to clear USMLEs and practice in US eventually if that is the plan.

 

[PakLFC]

Indian universities have a decent standard but no way near international ones. Students from India go abroad for a better standard of education and the fact that most Indian uni's will be full.

 

[RajBan]

Just random google search yielded this:

https://smdc.edu.pk/fee-structure-foreign/

But I am sure the rates will vary based on the reputation. This is not a college I have heard of.
Top schools are likely to cost more.

So a decade back Pakistanis studying in India or vice versa was not a rare scenario. But now it is very difficult with constant cribbing from both sides.

 

[Lego20]

You guys should come to Pakistan for studying medicine at a private college, they are much cheaper there, plus no burden of learning a new language. All the texts and exams would be in English and content delivery will be a mix of english/Urdu verbally, nothing you would be alien to.

What about acredition, quality and recognition (back in India and abroad for practice or further study)?

 

[topspin]

Why are Indians studying in Ukraine/Russia?

Indian guys are chasing blonde Eastern European girls with light coloured eyes. It's as simple as that

 

[BreadPakoda]

Simple answer: They are not just good enough to get into a decent medical college in India and are also desperate to become doctors.

 

[Saj]

I don't think I have been anywhere in the world where I haven't met an Indian and/or Pakistani.

They are simply everywhere, in every corner of the globe.

 

[Romali_rotti]

Passing rate of FMGE or foreign medical graduate exam is 15 to 20 per cent and its a india wide exam by NBE. So no, Kerala cant bribe their way in.

I hope what you are saying is the reality, however there seems to be definitely a case for fraudulent activity. Even though the article below is not focused on FMGE, it does highlight the problem in India.



https://www.hindustantimes.com/educ...-admissions/story-Gk0r1kmvf2LVwY4JifgekK.html

 

[Romali_rotti]

There is compulsory classes of either Russian or Ukrainian depending upon where you are going to study. It took me less than a year to grasp Russian. It was easier in my case because I've studied sanskrit in school, my mother tongue and Russian all are from the same family of language (which means almost similar grammar).

It was like learning a musical instrument to play while you already know how to play another instrument. You make adjustments here and there and you are good to go for day to day life.

But the key was having local friends. The ukranian people are very friendly (they trust foreigners way easily than us Indians).

For the bribing issue, since senior doctors have more demands and less time, they will refer easier diagnosis cases to the junior ones. They will intervene only if complicacy arise.

We had a few students from kerala. Nice people, studied hard. Tamilnadu has perhaps the biggest amount of students in Ukraine. Go any university and it is guaranteed that you will meet Tamil students.

Thanks again, I will take your feedback to my cousin..

One of the main complaints she had was, some of the kids barely know or speak any Ukrainian and how did they come back home with a degree.. I am sure it is not as black and white as what she is saying..

 

[Ahmad-GERMANFC]

Why are Indians studying in Ukraine/Russia?

Indian guys are chasing blonde Eastern European girls with light coloured eyes. It's as simple as that

Lol that isn’t working out then

 

[Kroll]

I don't think I have been anywhere in the world where I haven't met an Indian and/or Pakistani.

They are simply everywhere, in every corner of the globe.

Very true, more so Indian as they are 7 x population of Pakistan. I didn't realise the vast number of Indians in Ukraine until this invasion began.

 

[Kroll]

Why are Indians studying in Ukraine/Russia?

Indian guys are chasing blonde Eastern European girls with light coloured eyes. It's as simple as that

I just got reminded of that Bollywood film Lucky with Salman Khan. I think that had Indian students studying in Russia.

 

[Itachi]

Thanks again, I will take your feedback to my cousin..

One of the main complaints she had was, some of the kids barely know or speak any Ukrainian and how did they come back home with a degree.. I am sure it is not as black and white as what she is saying..

Exams will be in English. And in practice, they will just stay behind the group.

In general, there are only 10-11 students per group and you will get 2-3 students per group like you have mentioned.

They have some grasp on theory but nothing in practice. They are incompetent, yes.

 

[cric_man]

I think another big factor is that Ukrainian medical schools are accredited in EU/UK. So the students are not necessarily going back to India / Pakistan but rather moving westwards once done.

One a side note, my cousin went to Med school in USSR back in the 1980s. Ironically, Pakistan used to get a lot of eastern bloc scholarships and most went un-availed as nobody wanted to go there especially during the Afghan invasion. I had 2 cousins go to USSR & East Germany for Medicine and Engineering respectively.

He went to med school in Tashkent (now Uzbekistan) where he had to learn Russian prior to starting med school that was a full 1 year program. He is fluent in Russian and a top notch cardiac specialist. He met his future wife who had come from Greece to study in the USSR at the height of cold war. Their common language for a long time was Russian

 

[Itachi]

I think another big factor is that Ukrainian medical schools are accredited in EU/UK. So the students are not necessarily going back to India / Pakistan but rather moving westwards once done.

One a side note, my cousin went to Med school in USSR back in the 1980s. Ironically, Pakistan used to get a lot of eastern bloc scholarships and most went un-availed as nobody wanted to go there especially during the Afghan invasion. I had 2 cousins go to USSR & East Germany for Medicine and Engineering respectively.

He went to med school in Tashkent (now Uzbekistan) where he had to learn Russian prior to starting med school that was a full 1 year program. He is fluent in Russian and a top notch cardiac specialist. He met his future wife who had come from Greece to study in the USSR at the height of cold war. Their common language for a long time was Russian

Germany is indeed the preferred choice for many students. Didn't know the reasons but multiple students went to Germany after passing out.

 

[gani999]

Germany is indeed the preferred choice for many students. Didn't know the reasons but multiple students went to Germany after passing out.

Don't know about UK, but one cannot practice medicine in any EU country with a Ukranian degree. Medicine is a restricted profession in most EU countries and foreign medical graduates usually have to go through several years of additional training/internships in the local medical schools or hospitals before they can begin practicing.

In countries like German and France, they will need to learn the local language to European C2 fluency level as well.

Most Indians who go to places like Ukraine for medical education are either not bright enough to get into a government funded medical school in India or rich enough to get into a private one.

 

[Colorblind Genius]

I had a discussion yesterday with my cousin in India and was told that there are a lot of Indian students that go to Ukraine/Russia to study medicine.

It is a lot cheaper to get the qualification in Ukraine/Russia apparently than in India and in other countries. The issue however is that the course is mainly taught in Ukrainian/Russian apparently? So, you must wonder what these kids are learning?

My cousin tells me that she is quite concerned as a lot of them are coming back with the Ukrainian/Russian qualification without being properly qualified. Apparently, some parents send their kids after finishing year/grade 10 to Ukraine to study medicine for them to become a doctor quicker at a younger age, (this is scary).

I have been told that to become a doctor in India once they have gained their qualification in Ukraine/Russia, they need to do exams with Indian pre-requisites. However, the exams can easily be passed with a good bribe, and they can practice as doctors in India, which is essentially a license to kill/mis-treat people due to their lack of understanding of the field.

Another concerning bit of info my cousin told me was the Agents in India who are responsible for getting the visa, university enrolment etc are guaranteeing the kids wanting to study medicine in Ukraine/Russia with a qualification, what does this mean? more bribes to print out the degree?

Who is to blame for this? parents in India, want the status symbol that comes from their child being a doctor, or is the agents who are responsible for bringing the kids to Ukraine/Russia by offering them the world and a guaranteed degree upon completion?

Is this issue active in Pakistan? I would like to know from both Indians and Pakistanis.

P.S. This thread is not to attack the Indian/Pakistani kids studying in Ukraine/Russia, I have seen some horrific videos of the Indian students being mistreated by the Ukrainian soldiers and they are in my prayers. However, there is a major issue brewing here I feel with a lot of unqualified doctors in India.

What Itachi said, pretty much sums it up.
A friend studied medicine in Russia.

It was only in his 2nd year, that he called it quits and move back to United States where he pursued an Engineering career.

He told me once that,

"Out of a couple of 100 Indian/Pakistanis in my batch, I know ONLY TWO who actually got the most out of it.
The guy was truly excellent and very sharp in academics. He took PLAB and started working in England. He is currently a specialist, and a very good one, in Leeds.

The second guy got lucky to get a tourist UK visa. He arrived in London and picked a ran down a white girl in her late 30's from a bar and got married in a few months to get the "Surkha". Otherwise, he couldn't even pass the IELTS exam. (party life in Russia helped and backfired in both ways)

He then again got lucky that some relative of that white girl, happened to be a physician/director of a hospital.

So the wife helped him practice and train in developing English language skills to pass the IELTS, and the director guided and trained him on how to pass PLAB. Soon as he got it all done, he divorced the girl.

He is now practicing in London (may God help his patients).

A few other guys of my batch that I am in touch with, have gone back to India, Nepal, Pakistan, Middle East etc and hardly anyone is practicing medicine.

And yes, some kids arrive into Russia after barely passing matric (third division) from India Pakistan, and start studying medicine.

Many state ran Russian med universities are in dire straits. Teachers and exam and everything else is for sale.

Foreign students are looked as cash cows by the locals. You will have a great party life, blue eyes young blond girls are at a plenty since you can buy them alcohol, and they will do anything for you - even your med school's academic homework."

 

[Stewie]

What about acredition, quality and recognition (back in India and abroad for practice or further study)?

Most of the medical and engineering schools are accredit by a larger recognized university of Pakistan, which are all accredited internationally. If a private medical school gives you an MBBS degree and its not accredited by a recognizing authority, I dont think you can practice medicine in Pakistan. So they have to be accredited but I am no expert in these matters.

I would imagine the government doesnt allow schools to hand out degrees like MBBS willy nilly, hence my opinion above.

 

[MenInG]

Most of the medical and engineering schools are accredit by a larger recognized university of Pakistan, which are all accredited internationally. If a private medical school gives you an MBBS degree and its not accredited by a recognizing authority, I dont think you can practice medicine in Pakistan. So they have to be accredited but I am no expert in these matters.

I would imagine the government doesnt allow schools to hand out degrees like MBBS willy nilly, hence my opinion above.

The idea is that regardless of which med school you come from, you should know exactly same as the other doctor. Patients dont go to a doctor and ask if he studied in Ukraine, Karachi or Tonga!

 

[topspin]

I had a discussion yesterday with my cousin in India and was told that there are a lot of Indian students that go to Ukraine/Russia to study medicine.

It is a lot cheaper to get the qualification in Ukraine/Russia apparently than in India and in other countries. The issue however is that the course is mainly taught in Ukrainian/Russian apparently? So, you must wonder what these kids are learning?

My cousin tells me that she is quite concerned as a lot of them are coming back with the Ukrainian/Russian qualification without being properly qualified. Apparently, some parents send their kids after finishing year/grade 10 to Ukraine to study medicine for them to become a doctor quicker at a younger age, (this is scary).

I have been told that to become a doctor in India once they have gained their qualification in Ukraine/Russia, they need to do exams with Indian pre-requisites. However, the exams can easily be passed with a good bribe, and they can practice as doctors in India, which is essentially a license to kill/mis-treat people due to their lack of understanding of the field.

Another concerning bit of info my cousin told me was the Agents in India who are responsible for getting the visa, university enrolment etc are guaranteeing the kids wanting to study medicine in Ukraine/Russia with a qualification, what does this mean? more bribes to print out the degree?

Who is to blame for this? parents in India, want the status symbol that comes from their child being a doctor, or is the agents who are responsible for bringing the kids to Ukraine/Russia by offering them the world and a guaranteed degree upon completion?

Is this issue active in Pakistan? I would like to know from both Indians and Pakistanis.

P.S. This thread is not to attack the Indian/Pakistani kids studying in Ukraine/Russia, I have seen some horrific videos of the Indian students being mistreated by the Ukrainian soldiers and they are in my prayers. However, there is a major issue brewing here I feel with a lot of unqualified doctors in India.

What Itachi said, pretty much sums it up.
A friend studied medicine in Russia.

It was only in his 2nd year, that he called it quits and move back to United States where he pursued an Engineering career.

He told me once that,

"Out of a couple of 100 Indian/Pakistanis in my batch, I know ONLY TWO who actually got the most out of it.
The guy was truly excellent and very sharp in academics. He took PLAB and started working in England. He is currently a specialist, and a very good one, in Leeds.

The second guy got lucky to get a tourist UK visa. He arrived in London and picked a ran down a white girl in her late 30's from a bar and got married in a few months to get the "Surkha". Otherwise, he couldn't even pass the IELTS exam. (party life in Russia helped and backfired in both ways)

He then again got lucky that some relative of that white girl, happened to be a physician/director of a hospital.

So the wife helped him practice and train in developing English language skills to pass the IELTS, and the director guided and trained him on how to pass PLAB. Soon as he got it all done, he divorced the girl.

He is now practicing in London (may God help his patients).

A few other guys of my batch that I am in touch with, have gone back to India, Nepal, Pakistan, Middle East etc and hardly anyone is practicing medicine.

And yes, some kids arrive into Russia after barely passing matric (third division) from India Pakistan, and start studying medicine.

Many state ran Russian med universities are in dire straits. Teachers and exam and everything else is for sale.

Foreign students are looked as cash cows by the locals. You will have a great party life, blue eyes young blond girls are at a plenty since you can buy them alcohol, and they will do anything for you - even your med school's academic homework.

Exactly what I've been saying. This is what it's about. The vast majority don't care about practicing Medicine but I guess pretenders will remain pretenders.

 

[Colorblind Genius]

Exactly what I've been saying. This is what it's about. The vast majority don't care about practicing Medicine but I guess pretenders will remain pretenders.

perhaps not exactly "dont care" but more of a "not qualified" to do medicine. Neither do they have the academic depth nor that great passion for medicine.
Mostly come to Russia because "they want to be doctors" the easy way. One of the guys I know who did medicine from Russia currently works as a blue color labor in UK.

 

[cricketjoshila]

I hope what you are saying is the reality, however there seems to be definitely a case for fraudulent activity. Even though the article below is not focused on FMGE, it does highlight the problem in India.



https://www.hindustantimes.com/educ...-admissions/story-Gk0r1kmvf2LVwY4JifgekK.html

This is gone now. Now private colleges cannot take bribes to rig exam to get in a student. Now its one exam called NEET and centralized counseling.

Also this has nothing to do with students who come back from foreign countries. They give a separate exam, FMGE to practice in India. And the passing percentage is only 15 to 20 per cent.

 

[Ahmad-GERMANFC]

This is gone now. Now private colleges cannot take bribes to rig exam to get in a student. Now its one exam called NEET and centralized counseling.

Also this has nothing to do with students who come back from foreign countries. They give a separate exam, FMGE to practice in India. And the passing percentage is only 15 to 20 per cent.

Is the passing rate low because the foreign grad students aren’t qualified or is it low because there is only a certain % who can pass (percentile System) no matter how good the students are

 

[Itachi]

Is the passing rate low because the foreign grad students aren’t qualified or is it low because there is only a certain % who can pass (percentile System) no matter how good the students are

Desi boys can't handle the European culture (atleast that of Ukraine). They are straight jacketed at home while in Ukraine, their wings were free. Most bring self destruction by side tracking from the goal. If one doesn't know how to use the independence, then it can be very dangerous.

I did bring many friends from streets where they will be drunk and lying in a gutter. On one hand you feel for them but on the other hand, you don't feel pity because it was them who brought it upon themselves.

 

[Romali_rotti]

This is gone now. Now private colleges cannot take bribes to rig exam to get in a student. Now its one exam called NEET and centralized counseling.

Also this has nothing to do with students who come back from foreign countries. They give a separate exam, FMGE to practice in India. And the passing percentage is only 15 to 20 per cent.

CJ,

In regards to bribes, what I am hearing from India is that, all exams can be passed for the right 'amount'.. I hope this is not the casee, I am only going by what I am being told.

 

[Itachi]

CJ,

In regards to bribes, what I am hearing from India is that, all exams can be passed for the right 'amount'.. I hope this is not the casee, I am only going by what I am being told.

Nope. You can't bribe to pass now a days. It's all centralized.

Previously, it could and many students in assam has to give up seats after getting caught. It's much cleaner now.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Is the passing rate low because the foreign grad students aren’t qualified or is it low because there is only a certain % who can pass (percentile System) no matter how good the students are

Many arent that good thats they went to eastern European colleges. Plus the syllabus may not be the same.

Students passing out of Bangladesh Pakistan and Nepal and then coming to India have higher passing rate.

 

[cricketjoshila]

CJ,

In regards to bribes, what I am hearing from India is that, all exams can be passed for the right 'amount'.. I hope this is not the casee, I am only going by what I am being told.

Its not. Pvt colleges could do it because they were themselves organizing the entrance test. But with neet thats gone.

 

[Itachi]

Many arent that good thats they went to eastern European colleges. Plus the syllabus may not be the same.

Students passing out of Bangladesh Pakistan and Nepal and then coming to India have higher passing rate.

The Russian syllabus is indeed different than Indian one. The classifications were also different. We had to study both from Russian curriculum (for passing day to day exams) and Indian curriculum for mci. It was a mess.

But the main reason will be, most students enjoy the student life to an extent that they forget why they were there in the first place. Clubs, drugs, drinks, girls..... You name it and most students (male or female) will be involved with it thus later requiring to pay to pass. They try to match the living standards of Arabs but let's face it, Arabs going there have much much money than us and you can't compete.

In my batch, only 20% passed till now. Rest are giving exams still.... And it's been 10 years since they passed out.

 

[cricketjoshila]

The Russian syllabus is indeed different than Indian one. The classifications were also different. We had to study both from Russian curriculum (for passing day to day exams) and Indian curriculum for mci. It was a mess.

But the main reason will be, most students enjoy the student life to an extent that they forget why they were there in the first place. Clubs, drugs, drinks, girls..... You name it and most students (male or female) will be involved with it thus later requiring to pay to pass. They try to match the living standards of Arabs but let's face it, Arabs going there have much much money than us and you can't compete.

In my batch, only 20% passed till now. Rest are giving exams still.... And it's been 10 years since they passed out.

You completed or you came back?

 

[Itachi]

You completed or you came back?

Couldn't complete. In my time, banks have stopped giving education loans to students going to Ukraine and China as the success rate was too low and banks were having issues in recovering the amount.

Without education loan, it wasn't possible to continue since financially my family was too weak to give out the tuition fees.

So came back, searched for jobs. Now working at a public sector.

 

[gani999]

But the main reason will be, most students enjoy the student life to an extent that they forget why they were there in the first place. Clubs, drugs, drinks, girls..... You name it and most students (male or female) will be involved with it thus later requiring to pay to pass. They try to match the living standards of Arabs but let's face it, Arabs going there have much much money than us and you can't compete.

In my batch, only 20% passed till now. Rest are giving exams still.... And it's been 10 years since they passed out.

So basically most of the students who go there are rich spoiled brats who are looking for some fun and not any serious education. The middle class, bank loan bearing ones who go there for serious study get influenced and fall into bad ways. It is also what happens in some capitation fee colleges in India.

And come an emergency, the Government of India has to spend taxpayers money to extricate these irresponsible party animals from a war zone and bring them back to India.

Bloody annoying!

 

[Itachi]

So basically most of the students who go there are rich spoiled brats who are looking for some fun and not any serious education. The middle class, bank loan bearing ones who go there for serious study get influenced and fall into bad ways. It is also what happens in some capitation fee colleges in India.

And come an emergency, the Government of India has to spend taxpayers money to extricate these irresponsible party animals from a war zone and bring them back to India.

Bloody annoying!

Nope. If most were rich spoiled brats, there wouldn't have been requirement of loans. Most are from middle class family. As it happens in any case, some students will shine while others will fall behind.

Secondly, if it's central govt, it doesn't need to allocate money from tax payers fund. Any federal govt has the power to bring money in to the economy out of thin air and it happens in serious crisis like this.

It isn't as if I or you are paying for it. Central govt already allocates this in their budget each year.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Couldn't complete. In my time, banks have stopped giving education loans to students going to Ukraine and China as the success rate was too low and banks were having issues in recovering the amount.

Without education loan, it wasn't possible to continue since financially my family was too weak to give out the tuition fees.

So came back, searched for jobs. Now working at a public sector.

Oh sorry to hear that. What do you do now?

 

[gani999]

Couldn't complete. In my time, banks have stopped giving education loans to students going to Ukraine and China as the success rate was too low and banks were having issues in recovering the amount.

Without education loan, it wasn't possible to continue since financially my family was too weak to give out the tuition fees.

So came back, searched for jobs. Now working at a public sector.

Sorry to hear that you could not complete your course. Did you get any degree or diploma, or any kind of certification at all, for the years you spent studying in Ukraine?

 

[Ahmad-GERMANFC]

So basically most of the students who go there are rich spoiled brats who are looking for some fun and not any serious education. The middle class, bank loan bearing ones who go there for serious study get influenced and fall into bad ways. It is also what happens in some capitation fee colleges in India.

And come an emergency, the Government of India has to spend taxpayers money to extricate these irresponsible party animals from a war zone and bring them back to India.

Bloody annoying!

Even if they are rich spoilt brats who go there to party; it’s irrelevant

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

So basically most of the students who go there are rich spoiled brats who are looking for some fun and not any serious education. The middle class, bank loan bearing ones who go there for serious study get influenced and fall into bad ways. It is also what happens in some capitation fee colleges in India.

And come an emergency, the Government of India has to spend taxpayers money to extricate these irresponsible party animals from a war zone and bring them back to India.

Bloody annoying!

I would have thought most Indian students who go abroad to study are hoping it will be a gateway to a better life. Once you are in Europe you can probably move to more desirable and slightly less racist countries.

 

[gani999]

I would have thought most Indian students who go abroad to study are hoping it will be a gateway to a better life. Once you are in Europe you can probably move to more desirable and slightly less racist countries.

It's as difficult to move from Ukraine to Europe (The EU) as it is from India.

In fact it's easier from India, given that Indian university degrees are officially equivalent to EU degrees.

 

[MenInG]

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[Cpt. Rishwat]

It's as difficult to move from Ukraine to Europe (The EU) as it is from India.

In fact it's easier from India, given that Indian university degrees are officially equivalent to EU degrees.

Then Perhaps Ukraine itself is seen as a desirable final destination as opposed to where they live in India.

 

[gani999]

Then Perhaps Ukraine itself is seen as a desirable final destination as opposed to where they live in India.

Most don't stay behind in Ukraine, Captain. They either return to India or go somewhere else.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Most don't stay behind in Ukraine, Captain. They either return to India or go somewhere else.

Do you actually know why they go there? I'm assuming it will cost a decent amount of money, are you suggesting these students from India have plenty of it and are just going to party? From what I've seen of Indian students in the UK who have to work nights to pay for their studies, that seems unlikely.

 

[BreadPakoda]

Do you actually know why they go there? I'm assuming it will cost a decent amount of money, are you suggesting these students from India have plenty of it and are just going to party? From what I've seen of Indian students in the UK who have to work nights to pay for their studies, that seems unlikely.

Adverse selection. Indian students who go to the UK to study are typically academically brighter and more diligent than the ones who go to Ukraine. The likes of Ukraine, Armenia, Russia are the last resorts for Indians desperate to get a medical degree. Getting a medical "seat" in India is actually tougher.

 

[Roaring40s]

This is gone now. Now private colleges cannot take bribes to rig exam to get in a student. Now its one exam called NEET and centralized counseling.

Also this has nothing to do with students who come back from foreign countries. They give a separate exam, FMGE to practice in India. And the passing percentage is only 15 to 20 per cent.

I know from first hand experience that your answer is only partially correct. NEET is mostly fair as far as I know, but, private medical college mafia have found other ways to circumvent the central admission process. What private colleges do is that they scare-off the meritorious students who are not willing to pay the donation/bribe. When I went there to admit my friend's daughter, it was a long corridor into the office. We were checked three times by the security and our mobile phones and even pens and keys were removed. Then we were told that if we are not ready to pay a bribe of Rs 60 lakhs (that's excluding fee and it was four years ago), they will see to it that this girl will never successfully complete the course. i.e. they will fail her in some internal exams. Once they scare the candidates away, they fill the seats as per their wish in institute level rounds. I had similar experience at one of the other colleges as well where we were told to meet a person outside the campus who made similar threats but in a softer language and hidden words.

The person who chairs the trust that runs the first mentioned college is a BJP MLA and his son is a BJP MP. He was previously a minister in the Maharashtra congress government and previously his father was first a minister in Congress, then Shiv Sena and then in Congress govt again. They were under ED scanner for scholarship scam as well. After which they joined the BJP and all the charges were cleared.

 

[Itachi]

I know from first hand experience that your answer is only partially correct. NEET is mostly fair as far as I know, but, private medical college mafia have found other ways to circumvent the central admission process. What private colleges do is that they scare-off the meritorious students who are not willing to pay the donation/bribe. When I went there to admit my friend's daughter, it was a long corridor into the office. We were checked three times by the security and our mobile phones and even pens and keys were removed. Then we were told that if we are not ready to pay a bribe of Rs 60 lakhs (that's excluding fee and it was four years ago), they will see to it that this girl will never successfully complete the course. i.e. they will fail her in some internal exams. Once they scare the candidates away, they fill the seats as per their wish in institute level rounds. I had similar experience at one of the other colleges as well where we were told to meet a person outside the campus who made similar threats but in a softer language and hidden words.

The person who chairs the trust that runs the first mentioned college is a BJP MLA and his son is a BJP MP. He was previously a minister in the Maharashtra congress government and previously his father was first a minister in Congress, then Shiv Sena and then in Congress govt again. They were under ED scanner for scholarship scam as well. After which they joined the BJP and all the charges were cleared.

This is a bit bakwas to be honest if anyone fails for it. No one legally can prevent you. If you run away out of fear on this scam, then I've no words to say.

 

[Itachi]

Oh sorry to hear that. What do you do now?

Working in a public sector. Just a regular desk job. Kinda boring lol.

 

[Itachi]

Do you actually know why they go there? I'm assuming it will cost a decent amount of money, are you suggesting these students from India have plenty of it and are just going to party? From what I've seen of Indian students in the UK who have to work nights to pay for their studies, that seems unlikely.

Your assumption is incorrect. Most are on education loans.

 

[Itachi]

Adverse selection. Indian students who go to the UK to study are typically academically brighter and more diligent than the ones who go to Ukraine. The likes of Ukraine, Armenia, Russia are the last resorts for Indians desperate to get a medical degree. Getting a medical "seat" in India is actually tougher.

This is also incorrect. Banks will pay only INR 20,000,00 maximum for courses outside India as education loans which doesn't cover up medical costs in UK to the slightest for foreigners.

Very rarely a student can go to UK or US for MBBS. And it doesn't matter much in the long way because you can save the rest for pursuing PG MD in specialization where the degrees will hold equal values regardless where you have studied.

 

[loves_cricket]

Ukraine is not preferred educational destination only less than 5% go there
Surprisingly UAE is where highest number of students go followed by USA
Also it costs about

 

[loves_cricket]

It costs about INR 2 million per year which is much lower than in india
Also only about 8% passes tests to practice in india
But surprisingly less than 3% indian students go to Ukraine for education
Most go places like US Canada where they have better chances of settling down

 

[Itachi]

It costs about INR 2 million per year which is much lower than in india
Also only about 8% passes tests to practice in india
But surprisingly less than 3% indian students go to Ukraine for education
Most go places like US Canada where they have better chances of settling down

Depends on the profession you want to pursue. Ukraine is preferred only for medical. None of other subjects have much scope there.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Adverse selection. Indian students who go to the UK to study are typically academically brighter and more diligent than the ones who go to Ukraine. The likes of Ukraine, Armenia, Russia are the last resorts for Indians desperate to get a medical degree. Getting a medical "seat" in India is actually tougher.

So what would be the end goal of getting a medical degree in Ukraine? To settle in Ukraine, or does that medical degree still hold valid back in India or elsewhere?

 

[BreadPakoda]

So what would be the end goal of getting a medical degree in Ukraine? To settle in Ukraine, or does that medical degree still hold valid back in India or elsewhere?

Unfortunately, end goal is unclear at times. It’s a case of short term thinking - let’s get a degree and figure out what to do later. I know a couple of folks who went this route. Both are back in India and have corporate jobs.

 

[cricketjoshila]

So what would be the end goal of getting a medical degree in Ukraine? To settle in Ukraine, or does that medical degree still hold valid back in India or elsewhere?

In India they have to clear an exam to get the license to practice. The passing percentage of that exam is 20 per cent.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Unfortunately, end goal is unclear at times. It’s a case of short term thinking - let’s get a degree and figure out what to do later. I know a couple of folks who went this route. Both are back in India and have corporate jobs.

Medicine is a highly prized profession in India/Pakistan, maybe it's just a cheap way of getting to say you are a qualified doctor then see where you can go from there?

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

In India they have to clear an exam to get the license to practice. The passing percentage of that exam is 20 per cent.

OP is suggesting that some are maybe paying bribes to get that licence once back in India. I have no idea if there is any truth in that, but wouldn't be surprised. I could certainly see it happening in Pakistan.

 

[cricketjoshila]

OP is suggesting that some are maybe paying bribes to get that licence once back in India. I have no idea if there is any truth in that, but wouldn't be surprised. I could certainly see it happening in Pakistan.

OP has been corrected by me and others. Its not possible to pass the FMGE by bribing. Thats why the pass percentage is 20 per cent.

 

[Babeikh]

Ukraine’s ambassador to the UK addresses racist abuse of Black and Asian refugees

Ukraine’s ambassador to the UK has addressed the racism that Black and Asian refugees have been subjected to while fleeing Russian attacks in the country.

Speaking to the Home Affairs Select Committee on Wednesday, Vadym Prystaiko confirmed that he is aware of bigotry at Ukraine’s borders and admitted that “problems arise” when foreigners appear to be prioritised for evacuation.

This comes after Black people living in the region told The Independent that they have been discriminated against and denied assistance when attempting to leave the war-torn country; some took to social media in recent days to share their experiences despite this being dismissed as lies and “Russian disinformation” by far-removed online commentators, academics and journalists.

"It has been raised many times. Ukraine is a very homogenic society and not many people with different races on the streets. Foreigners do stick out of the crowd (but) it doesn’t mean we are racist,” Mr Prystaiko told the committee.

“We don’t want it to happen...Problems arise when young foreigners are prioritised over women and children of Ukrainian citizenship who are trying to get on the same trains.

“Maybe we will put all foreigners in some other place so they won’t be visible and there won’t be conflict with Ukrainians trying to flee in the same direction. This is something that has to be taken care of and we will be doing it."

The ambassador added that Ukranian police officers must do a better job of explaining why young males of Ukrainian [origin] are staying behind, while others are leaving, adding that this is where “conflict” can come.

Last Tuesday, Dmytro Kuleba, the Ukraine’s foreign minister, acknowledged the racist treatment of Black refugees at the borders and established a hotline to assist ethnic minority students trying to leave.

“Russia’s invasion of Ukraine has affected Ukrainians and non-citizens in many devastating ways,” he said.

“Africans seeking evacuation are our friends and need to have equal opportunities to return to their home countries safely. Ukraine’s government spares no effort to solve the problem.”

Osarumen, a father-of-three, told The Independent that his family members and other refugees were told to disembark a bus about to cross the border and advised “No Blacks” were allowed. Despite challenging the driver and military officers’ orders, they were ejected from the vehicle.

Global organisations and public figures from the United Nations and Mayor of London to Beyonce and the African Union have expressed concern about the disparity in treatment between refugees.

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/ukne...k-and-asian-refugees/ar-AAUPYLQ?ocid=msedgntp

 

[MenInG]

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[sweep_shot]

Indians and Chinese people seem to migrate/go everywhere.

So, not surprised some of them study in Ukraine/Russia.

 

[ex-q-zit]

Indian Students Who Left Ukraine Get Offer From Russia To Continue Study

Chennai:

For the first time since the war broke out in Ukraine in February, Russia on Thursday said that Indian students who left Ukraine can continue their education in Russia as the medical syllabus is the same in both countries.

"Indian students who left Ukraine can continue their education in Russia as the medical syllabus is almost the same (as Ukraine). They know the language of the people, as, in Ukraine, most of them speak Russian. They're most welcome in Russia," Russian Consul General Oleg Avdeev said in Chennai.

Thousands of Indian medical students were left stranded with their future hanging on the cliff when Russia attacked Ukraine at the end of February 2022 and several were evacuated from Ukraine to India.

Responding to a question on Russian oil exports, the Russian diplomat said that since the beginning of this year, the exports of Russian oil have increased from 2 to 22 pc, which is a very dramatic increase.

"Since the beginning of this year, the exports in Russian oil have increased from 2 to 22 pc. It is a very dramatic increase and now Russia has displaced Iraq and Saudi Arabia as leading producers of oil," Oleg Avdeev said.

He also appreciated Jaishankar's remarks on Russian oil imports which stated that "Indian government is a responsible govt and it has to look after the interests of Indian consumers."

On Tuesday, EAM Jaishankar reiterated the deep ties between India and Russia, and said, "India's relationship with Russia has worked to its advantage and New Delhi would like to keep that going."

The Russian Consul General also highlighted how students keep going to Russia for studies and that it is an upward trend.

"As far as students are concerned, students keep going to Russia for studies. It is an upward trend. More and more students are applying for scholarships in Russia," the Russian diplomat said.

Every year, numerous Indian students travel to both Ukraine and Russia to study medicine and other specialised courses.

Notably, Russian forces launched military operations in Ukraine on February 24, three days after Moscow recognized Ukraine's breakaway regions - Donetsk and Luhansk as independent entities.

Several countries including the UK, the US, Canada, and the European Union have condemned Russia's military operations in Ukraine and imposed sanctions on Moscow. These countries have also promised to help Ukraine with military aid to fight Russia.

NDTV

 

[ex-q-zit]

"Come Back When...": Ukraine's Diwali Invite To Indians Who Fled War

War-hit Ukraine's foreign minister has sent out a heart-warming message to Indian students who had to flee the eastern European country in the aftermath of Russian invasion.

Addressing the Indian students during an exclusive interview to NDTV, Dmytro Kuleba said, "Come back when Ukraine wins. You were always an integral part of our society. We want to celebrate Diwali together in the city of Kharkiv in eastern Ukraine where Diwali became a part of the local tradition," he said.

"So come back when we win. In the meantime, pray for Ukraine and support Ukraine by all means available to you." Mr Kuleba added.

Thousands of Indian students, most of them pursuing medical courses, had to flee Ukraine after Russia invaded the country in February this year. According to some estimates, about 18,000 students pursuing medical courses in Ukraine returned after war broke out.

Prior to their escape from the war zone, Indian students faced a harrowing experience, taking shelter in bunkers as Russia pounded Ukraine with missiles. The students were eventually flown back in an extensive exercise launched by the centre. A student from Karnataka was, unfortunately, killed during shelling.

Months after their narrow escape from the war zone, these students have found themselves staring at an uncertain future as their education is now paused. Many of them have sought help from authorities and also participated in protests.

Mr Kuleba spoke to NDTV on several other subjects, including India's decision to import Russian oil despite the West bringing a wave of sanctions against the Vladimir Putin-led dispensation.

Terming the Narendra Modi government's decision "morally inappropriate", the Ukraine foreign minister said, ''The opportunity for India to buy Russian oil at a cheap price comes from the fact that Ukrainians are suffering from Russian aggression, dying every day. If you benefit because of our suffering, it would be good to see more of your help addressed to us.''

Mr Kuleba was responding to Foreign Minister Dr S Jaishankar's statement that between February and November this year, the European Union has imported more fossil fuel from Russia than the next 10 countries combined. ''It is not enough to point fingers at the European Union and say, 'Oh, they are doing the same thing.''

"India is a very important player in the global arena and the Prime Minister of India, with his voice, can make a change. We are waiting for the moment when Indian foreign policy will call spade a spade, and name the conflict - not war in Ukraine, but what it is, a Russian aggression against Ukraine," Mr Kuleba added.

NDTV

 

[NishanKonar]

Do you actually know why they go there? I'm assuming it will cost a decent amount of money, are you suggesting these students from India have plenty of it and are just going to party? From what I've seen of Indian students in the UK who have to work nights to pay for their studies, that seems unlikely.

Basically these guys could not crack medical entranceexams in India. So they go to Ukraine / Russia and hope to get MBBS degree , come back to India and then hope to crack the FMGE exam and become a qualified doctor in India and then earn six figure salary and live a very comfortable life there after

Unfortunately most don't clear the FMGE ( bcoz they were never so bright in the first place ) and end up taking up other jobs to clear their education loans

 

[ex-q-zit]

Supreme Court To The Rescue Of Medical Students Who Returned From China

The Supreme Court on Friday directed the Centre and the National Medical Commission (NMC) to find out a solution to accommodate those undergraduate medical students who have returned from foreign countries like Ukraine and China, saying their career will be left in lurch if no solution is found at this stage.

A bench of justices B R Gavai and Vikram Nath said if necessary, the Centre may appoint a committee of experts to find a solution to the problem of the students.

The top court said it hoped the Centre will give due importance to its suggestion and find out a solution to save the career of the students who are an asset of the country.

"If no solution is found, their entire career could be left in lurch apart from families put in sufferance.

"We find that this is a fit case for solution by experts. We refrain from issuing directions. We request Union of India, in consultation with National Medical Council to find out a solution to address this human problem," the bench said.

The top court noted that most of the students have completed their courses but have not been able to undergo their clinical training.

Additional Solicitor General Aishwarya Bhati, appearing for the Centre, submitted that in medical course, practical training is of utmost importance.

She said academic studies cannot take the colour of practical training and said the decision of not incorporating the students has been taken after consulting the Ministry of Health, Home and External Affairs.

The apex court said, "They are justified in observing that the court does not possess expertise. However, there are myriad situations which are beyond control like Covid which has been unimaginable.

"It is after a century that the humanity had to face such a situation. We find that the career of almost 500 students who have already put in five years of study are at stake. They have completed seven semesters physically and three semesters through online." The top court said it is in full agreement with the Centre that academic training cannot take place of practical training.

"However, the parents of the students must have spent huge amount in the study and if no solution is found, their entire career could be left in lurch apart from families put at sufferance," the bench said.

The Centre had earlier said it cannot accommodate the medical students studying in universities of Ukraine, who have returned to the country due to war there, in Indian medical institutes or universities as it "would disrupt the entire medical education system" here.

The top court was hearing a batch of petitions filed by undergraduate medical students of first to fourth-year batches in their respective foreign medical colleges/universities.

NDTV

 

[ex-q-zit]

Around 1,100 Indian Students Currently In Ukraine: Centre In Lok Sabha

Around 1,100 Indian students are currently in Ukraine though most of those pursuing medical education in that country have returned, the government told Lok Sabha on Friday.

Replying to a question, Minister of State for External Affairs Meenakshi Lekhi said the Indian embassy in Kyiv had issued an advisory on October 25 asking all Indian citizens to immediately leave Ukraine by available means.

"While most of the Indian students pursuing medical education in Ukraine have returned to India since the conflict began, around 1100 Indian students are currently in Ukraine," she said.

Ms Lekhi said all Indian citizens in Ukraine have been advised by the mission to "strictly" follow the safety and security guidelines issued by the Ukrainian government and local authorities.

"The mission, in its advisory, had also provided information about available options to Indian citizens for crossing borders and it remains in touch with our nationals in Ukraine to provide help, when required," she said.

The minister also noted the steps initiated by the National Medical Commission (NMC) to help the Indian medical students whose courses in Ukraine were affected because of the conflict.

Ms Lekhi said the NMC, through a public notice dated July 28, 2022, devised a scheme under which Indian students, who were in the last year of their undergraduate medical course but had to leave their foreign institute and completed their studies with certificate of completion of course from their institute by June 2022, will be permitted to appear in the Foreign Medical Graduate (FMG) examination.

"Thereafter, upon qualifying the FMG examination, such foreign medical graduates are required to undergo "Compulsory Rotating Medical Internship" for two years to make up for the clinical training which could not be physically done by them during the undergraduate medicine course at the foreign institute, and also to familiarise themselves with the practice of medicine under Indian conditions.

NDTV

 

[Cricket-lion]

Basically these guys could not crack medical entranceexams in India. So they go to Ukraine / Russia and hope to get MBBS degree , come back to India and then hope to crack the FMGE exam and become a qualified doctor in India and then earn six figure salary and live a very comfortable life there after

Unfortunately most don't clear the FMGE ( bcoz they were never so bright in the first place ) and end up taking up other jobs to clear their education loans

Surely they can practise abroad with a MBBS from Europe due to the shortage of Drs across the world.