Why Are Sex And Gender Seen As Two Different Things?

[sweep_shot]

I don't think these two should be seen as two different things. This confusion started in mid-20th century thanks to an individual named Robert Stoller. He was the one who coined the term "gender identity".

I consider gender identity to be an inaccurate pseudoscience and a radical leftist political movement.

So, what do you think? Should sex and gender be seen as two different things or should they mean the same thing?

 

[ElRaja]

if they meant the same thing by definition, it would render one word obsolete, as long as anyone wants to prescribe some label to their own sense of masculinity or femininity it would be classed as a gender.

i personally don't really care either way anymore, I'm just making a technical point.

 

[sweep_shot]

if they meant the same thing by definition, it would render one word obsolete, as long as anyone wants to prescribe some label to their own sense of masculinity or femininity it would be classed as a gender.

i personally don't really care either way anymore, I'm just making a technical point.

I also wouldn't have cared much but this stuff is now starting to be taught to young children (in the west). I am quite concerned. Check out this video:

Also, check this: https://www.transgendertrend.com/teaching-gender-ideology-schools/.

 

[Technics 1210]

To give liberals the attention they desperately seek.

 

[sweep_shot]

Yet another confusing video. I personally believe children should be kept out of this. I consider it to be child abuse.

This woman (who identifies as non-binary) has a spouse and a partner (who also identifies as non-binary). These 3 are raising two children; they are raising one of the children as "theyby".

I feel sorry for the kids. Can you imagine the confusion they must be feeling?

 

[Abel Reames]

My own take on this and I am by no means an expert or a strong opinion either way is that sex is assigned on your physical bits whereas gender is based on what one feels on the inside. The inside is controlled by hormones and brain chemistry and perhaps events that happened to the individual. Some females can have the hormones and brain chemistry closer to males and vice versa.

 

[sweep_shot]

My own take on this and I am by no means an expert or a strong opinion either way is that sex is assigned on your physical bits whereas gender is based on what one feels on the inside. The inside is controlled by hormones and brain chemistry and perhaps events that happened to the individual. Some females can have the hormones and brain chemistry closer to males and vice versa.

Okay.

But, why involve children in this confusion? See the two videos I posted earlier.

I am grateful to God that I am not a child in year 2022 in a western country. I am glad I finished my childhood in 90's and 2000's.

 

[Abel Reames]

Okay.

But, why involve children in this confusion? See the two videos I posted earlier.

I am grateful to God that I am not a child in year 2022 in a western country. I am glad I finished my childhood in 90's and 2000's.

Without watching the videos I guess you would be happier if children had. childhood devoid of these influences until they were mature enough, I have the same feelings about religion. That also should be taught when they are mature enough.

 

[JaDed]

Without watching the videos I guess you would be happier if children had. childhood devoid of these influences until they were mature enough, I have the same feelings about religion. That also should be taught when they are mature enough.

Well said , kids must be so confused with religion as well if they are confused with genders lol

 

[sweep_shot]

Well said , kids must be so confused with religion as well if they are confused with genders lol

Religions are followed worldwide. It is as common as eating and drinking.

Below is each religion's total estimated population for 2020:

Christianity - 2.38 billion
Islam - 1.91 billion
Hinduism - 1.16 billion
Buddhism - 507 million
Folk Religions - 430 million
Other Religions - 61 million
Judaism - 14.6 million

Source: https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/religion-by-country

This gender identity pseudoscience is followed by a very small percentage and yet is being shoved down everyone's throat.

 

[JaDed]

Religions are followed worldwide. It is as common as eating and drinking.



Source: https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/religion-by-country

This gender identity pseudoscience is followed by a very small percentage and yet is being shoved down everyone's throat.

Lol and in 100 years genders would be as well , so its alright.
Humans predate current religions so yeah.

 

[sweep_shot]

Lol and in 100 years genders would be as well , so its alright.
Humans predate current religions so yeah.

These gender identity stuffs are not even 100 years old. I call it pseudoscience; I call it a bigger fiction than Greek mythology.

Religion was there from the beginning. Right from Adam and Eve (peace be upon them).

 

[JaDed]

Do not go off-topic. This thread is about the bakwas called gender identity. Stick to that.

Who said its backwas, many can say religion is backwas double standards yo!

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Well said , kids must be so confused with religion as well if they are confused with genders lol

The topic was about difference between sex and genders, religion was not really a consideration. If you want to include religion then fine, we should be prepared to discuss openly all religions and their take on it.

 

[ElRaja]

The topic was about difference between sex and genders, religion was not really a consideration.

whilst i understand ur point, on pp its obvious that a majority of people will have their views influenced by religion, therefore every topic, despite what it may be about, is fundamentally about religion.

to paraphrase the old saying for PP, everything is about religion, apart from religion, which is about identity.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

whilst i understand ur point, on pp its obvious that a majority of people will have their views influenced by religion, therefore every topic, despite what it may be about, is fundamentally about religion.

to paraphrase the old saying for PP, everything is about religion, apart from religion, which is about identity.

Which pertains to the part of my post which you left out. I think I covered this.

If you want to include religion then fine, we should be prepared to discuss openly all religions and their take on it.

 

[JaDed]

The topic was about difference between sex and genders, religion was not really a consideration. If you want to include religion then fine, we should be prepared to discuss openly all religions and their take on it.

My reply was on how children will get confused with “ genders” , that wast the topic, so I replied accordingly

 

[Champ_Pal]

There are only 2 genders. Male and Female. Far left have come up with the idea that gender is a spectrum. Total lunacy.

A person can be attracted to any of the 2 genders. Its their choice. Transitioning into a different gender is also a choice as long as it is done after the person is above 18. But they should not expect to be treated like natural born women or men.

 

[sweep_shot]

There are only 2 genders. Male and Female. Far left have come up with the idea that gender is a spectrum. Total lunacy.

A person can be attracted to any of the 2 genders. Its their choice. Transitioning into a different gender is also a choice as long as it is done after the person is above 18. But they should not expect to be treated like natural born women or men.

Actually, there is another gender called intersex (hijra). They are the ones who legitimately have both male and female features.

So, in short, there are really only 3 genders - male, female, and intersex. Everything else is just pseudoscience.

 

[sweep_shot]

Actually, there is another gender called intersex (hijra). They are the ones who legitimately have both male and female features.

So, in short, there are really only 3 genders - male, female, and intersex. Everything else is just pseudoscience.

Just to clarify, I use gender and sex synonymously. I don't see any difference between these two words (even though many modern day liberals choose to make a distinction).

 

[Sidilicious]

These gender identity stuffs are not even 100 years old. I call it pseudoscience; I call it a bigger fiction than Greek mythology.

Religion was there from the beginning. Right from Adam and Eve (peace be upon them).

But Adam and Eve are not the Beginning. The planet is older than 6k years

 

[sweep_shot]

But Adam and Eve are not the Beginning. The planet is older than 6k years

Humanity came from Adam and Eve (peace be upon them). We didn't evolve from monkeys.

Anyway. Let's not go off-topic.

Focus on sex and gender. Do you think there should be a distinction?

 

[Junaids]

This has never been a simple thing - anyone who thinks it is simple is an uneducated simpleton.

Look up the medical condition which used to be called Testicular Feminisation.

Look at the sprinter Caster Semanya.

It’s biology - there have always been men with vaginas. Just very, very few such poor souls.

Fortunately this tragic area is one which affects minuscule numbers of people. It’s really just something which has been seized upon by Far Right Nutjobs to concoct anger about a virtually non-existent issue.

 

[sweep_shot]

This has never been a simple thing - anyone who thinks it is simple is an uneducated simpleton.

Look up the medical condition which used to be called Testicular Feminisation.

Look at the sprinter Caster Semanya.

It’s biology - there have always been men with vaginas. Just very, very few such poor souls.

Fortunately this tragic area is one which affects minuscule numbers of people. It’s really just something which has been seized upon by Far Right Nutjobs to concoct anger about a virtually non-existent issue.

There was no such thing called a "gender identity" before 1950's.

This is a first world leftist thing.

If you talk about gender identity in a non-western country, you can get ridiculed/trolled. It is 100% pseudoscience.

 

[The_KING]

There are two genders. The rest of them are just confused people.

 

[sweep_shot]

This has never been a simple thing - anyone who thinks it is simple is an uneducated simpleton.

Look up the medical condition which used to be called Testicular Feminisation.

Look at the sprinter Caster Semanya.

It’s biology - there have always been men with vaginas. Just very, very few such poor souls.

Fortunately this tragic area is one which affects minuscule numbers of people. It’s really just something which has been seized upon by Far Right Nutjobs to concoct anger about a virtually non-existent issue.

I am not referring to legitimate medical conditions here.

I am referring to gender pronouns and stuffs like that. Very unnecessary.

 

[sweep_shot]

Another video to highlight the confusion gender identity creates.

Piers Morgan did a great job here.

 

[Robert]

I don't think these two should be seen as two different things. This confusion started in mid-20th century thanks to an individual named Robert Stoller. He was the one who coined the term "gender identity".

I consider gender identity to be an inaccurate pseudoscience and a radical leftist political movement.

So, what do you think? Should sex and gender be seen as two different things or should they mean the same thing?

I suggest that you talk to some trans people to better understand their experience.

 

[Robert]

Humanity came from Adam and Eve (peace be upon them). We didn't evolve from monkeys.

Oh dear.

 

[Major]

Sex is biological, gender is made by us Humans.

When we buy dolls for the daughter and toy guns for the son, we genderize the whole thing. We condition them like this. A boy can play with dolls, a boy can like Pink.

If you are really interested in this and are a student than sign up for a gender studies class. If you are still asking this question even after studying gender studies than you surely didn't learn anything.

Anyways, this thread wont go anywhere just like the patriarchy thread. OP doesnt come up with an open mind, he comes with his belief and not ready to change opinion.

 

[Major]

This has never been a simple thing - anyone who thinks it is simple is an uneducated simpleton.

Look up the medical condition which used to be called Testicular Feminisation.

Look at the sprinter Caster Semanya.

It’s biology - there have always been men with vaginas. Just very, very few such poor souls.

Fortunately this tragic area is one which affects minuscule numbers of people. It’s really just something which has been seized upon by Far Right Nutjobs to concoct anger about a virtually non-existent issue.

Have to say, apart from cricket, when it comes to time pass topics, I always agree with you on your POV.

Caster Semanya is a great example. There is a documentary available that one could watch and understand.

She might be a women, but her testosterones levels were equivalent of a male that sporting authorities used to say gave her an unfair advantage.

Many would be interested to note that even in Pakistan, which is a muslim country, we have Gender studies and its syllabus is approved by the govt, and the syllabus says that sex is biological and gender is made by us humans. Infact, even for govt jobs, gender studies is an optional subject of study that one can appear for in exam.

 

[sweep_shot]

Sex is biological, gender is made by us Humans.

When we buy dolls for the daughter and toy guns for the son, we genderize the whole thing. We condition them like this. A boy can play with dolls, a boy can like Pink.

If you are really interested in this and are a student than sign up for a gender studies class. If you are still asking this question even after studying gender studies than you surely didn't learn anything.

Anyways, this thread wont go anywhere just like the patriarchy thread. OP doesnt come up with an open mind, he comes with his belief and not ready to change opinion.

I have a higher chance of going to moon than taking gender studies. I consider it to be pseudoscience and it is something that you can learn from Google.

I do not consider gender studies to be an actual major.

My academic background was in computer programming and business.

 

[sweep_shot]

Many would be interested to note that even in Pakistan, which is a muslim country, we have Gender studies and its syllabus is approved by the govt, and the syllabus says that sex is biological and gender is made by us humans. Infact, even for govt jobs, gender studies is an optional subject of study that one can appear for in exam.

I am sure Pakistani gender studies should be more realistic and tolerable.

The stuffs they teach in west regarding gender studies is simply mindboggling. Hungary actually banned gender studies and I respect them for that. Check here: https://www.globalcitizen.org/de/content/hungary-bans-gender-studies-universities/.

Hungary Bans Gender Studies in Universities: 'It's Not a Science'

No new courses in the subject will be permitted or receive federal funding.

The leader of Hungary is under fire for a recent government decree that effectively bans gender studies at all universities in the country.

Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orban signed the decree over the weekend, which dropped the courses from a list of master’s degrees programs entitled to accreditation and federal financial support, reports Newsweek.

 

[Robert]

Sex is biological, gender is made by us Humans.

When we buy dolls for the daughter and toy guns for the son, we genderize the whole thing. We condition them like this. A boy can play with dolls, a boy can like Pink.

If you are really interested in this and are a student than sign up for a gender studies class. If you are still asking this question even after studying gender studies than you surely didn't learn anything.

Anyways, this thread wont go anywhere just like the patriarchy thread. OP doesnt come up with an open mind, he comes with his belief and not ready to change opinion.

Yeah, he just restates his original belief again and again.

There's some evidence suggesting that the hormonal balance of a mother during gestation can influence the gender and sexuality of the child in utero.

Then there are a very few genuine hermaphrodites - who might choose surgery to live as men or women, or stay as both.

 

[Robert]

I have a higher chance of going to moon than taking gender studies. I consider it to be pseudoscience and it is something that you can learn from Google.

I do not consider gender studies to be an actual major.

My academic background was in computer programming and business.

Well, I could tell it wasn't biological science or medicine.

 

[Major]

I have a higher chance of going to moon than taking gender studies. I consider it to be pseudoscience and it is something that you can learn from Google.

I do not consider gender studies to be an actual major.

My academic background was in computer programming and business.

You dontt ned to do a major. Just pick a course on it if you are interested and have an open mind.

So if you dont think gender studies is worth studying that plz refrain from making threads on patriarchy or gender or sex because these are gender study topics.

You just proving a point with this point that you are not starting a thread with an open mind but just to pretend and argue for the sake that you have a belief and are not gonna change it no matter what

 

[Technics 1210]

According to Liberalism, there are between 3 and 100 genders.

Not one of them backed by any science or evidence.

Just cos liberals say so, doesn't mean so, it's called propaganda and attention seeking.

 

[sweep_shot]

You dontt ned to do a major. Just pick a course on it if you are interested and have an open mind.

So if you dont think gender studies is worth studying that plz refrain from making threads on patriarchy or gender or sex because these are gender study topics.

You just proving a point with this point that you are not starting a thread with an open mind but just to pretend and argue for the sake that you have a belief and are not gonna change it no matter what

I have checked out course contents of gender studies. You can find these online.

Also, you don't need to take a course to realize benevolent patriarchy is best for society. It is why most societies in the world are patriarchic.

Anyway. This is what gender studies often produces (at least in west):

 

[Champ_Pal]

Actually, there is another gender called intersex (hijra). They are the ones who legitimately have both male and female features.

So, in short, there are really only 3 genders - male, female, and intersex. Everything else is just pseudoscience.

Your religious texts does not mention 3 genders. Its only 2 genders. You could be going against your own beliefs.

 

[Champ_Pal]

According to Liberalism, there are between 3 and 100 genders.

Not one of them backed by any science or evidence.

Just cos liberals say so, doesn't mean so, it's called propaganda and attention seeking.

That is not liberalism. Its far left trash masquerading as liberalism. Just like there are Muslims and ISIS.

 

[sweep_shot]

Your religious texts does not mention 3 genders. Its only 2 genders. You could be going against your own beliefs.

If you don't know about Islam, please don't write about it. Here's the ruling about intersex people: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=35sJX41fqsU&ab_channel=assimalhakeem.

 

[Champ_Pal]

People should watch the documentary of Matt Walsh (A conservative) about the question "What is a woman"!!

 

[sweep_shot]

According to Liberalism, there are between 3 and 100 genders.

Not one of them backed by any science or evidence.

Just cos liberals say so, doesn't mean so, it's called propaganda and attention seeking.

Indeed. It has gotten very ridiculous lately.

Check this:

So, this guy thinks he is a female wolf. I don't know what to say.

 

[Champ_Pal]

If you don't know about Islam, please don't write about it. Here's the ruling about intersex people: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=35sJX41fqsU&ab_channel=assimalhakeem.

I don't know about Islam. LOL. I know more than you.

https://islamqa.info/en/answers/223457/meaning-of-and-of-everything-we-have-created-pairs

Holy Quran clearly says all living things are made in pairs of Male and Female so that they find comfort in each other and produce offspring.

The intersex or whatever you are saying does not get a mention. I will take the word of Quran over what some hooman says.

 

[sweep_shot]

I don't know about Islam. LOL. I know more than you.

https://islamqa.info/en/answers/223457/meaning-of-and-of-everything-we-have-created-pairs

Holy Quran clearly says all living things are made in pairs of Male and Female so that they find comfort in each other and produce offspring.

The intersex or whatever you are saying does not get a mention. I will take the word of Quran over what some hooman says.

I am not taking lesson about Islam from a Hindu.

Please educate yourself. The link you posted had nothing to do with the topic of intersex.

Stop spamming my thread.

What's up with these Indians trying to analyze our scriptures? LOL. It is hilarious.

 

[Champ_Pal]

I am not taking lesson about Islam from a Hindu.

Please educate yourself. The link you posted had nothing to do with the topic of intersex.

Stop spamming my thread.

What's up with these Indians trying to analyze our scriptures? LOL. It is hilarious.

Dude, listen. All living things are created in pairs of males and females so that they can procreate. It cannot get any clearer than that. What some Mufti says is immaterial when the word of God has spoken the truth.

I can post millions of ridiculous stuff Muft's say on internet. Are you going to believe everything they say over the word of God?

 

[Technics 1210]

Indeed. It has gotten very ridiculous lately.

I tend to ignore what radical liberals have to say. They concuct facts and scenarios out of thin air and relentlessly embark on a brainwashing mission.

On top of this their hypocrisy is next-gen level. Whether its politics, society, economics, ideologies or war. - not an iota of consistency in their belief or the ideology they profess.

I think you are targeted simply because you are a religious individual and display a level of consistency and conviction liberals can only dream of. Keep it up, and don't let the liberal fanatics bully you, after all, its the liberals who are triggered.

Oh, you are not alone in your belief - the majority of Christians, Jews, Athiests, Hindus, Muslims, West or East, share your belief when it comes to the ludricous tripe known as Sex, Gender, and Transgenderism.

 

[sweep_shot]

Dude, listen. All living things are created in pairs of males and females so that they can procreate. It cannot get any clearer than that. What some Mufti says is immaterial when the word of God has spoken the truth.

I can post millions of ridiculous stuff Muft's say on internet. Are you going to believe everything they say over the word of God?

I don't think you have checked the video.

There are some people with both male and female features. In that case, those folks have to go for surgeries and have to be either male or female.

That's the ruling.

Don't be lazy. Check the video I posted:

You have Hindu background and you are not in a position to create rulings for Muslims.

 

[Champ_Pal]

I don't think you have checked the video.

There are some people with both male and female features. In that case, those folks have to go for surgeries and have to be either male or female.

That's the ruling.

Don't be lazy. Check the video I posted:

You have Hindu background and you are not in a position to create rulings for Muslims.

No one has the right to create a ruling when the supreme word says all living things are born either male or female. If there were 3 genders, then God would have clearly mentioned about it and not rely on humans to describe it.

Anything other than what God says is just an invention.

 

[sweep_shot]

I tend to ignore what radical liberals have to say. They concuct facts and scenarios out of thin air and relentlessly embark on a brainwashing mission.

On top of this their hypocrisy is next-gen level. Whether its politics, society, economics, ideologies or war. - not an iota of consistency in their belief or the ideology they profess.

I think you are targeted simply because you are a religious individual and display a level of consistency and conviction liberals can only dream of. Keep it up, and don't let the liberal fanatics bully you, after all, its the liberals who are triggered.

Oh, you are not alone in your belief - the majority of Christians, Jews, Athiests, Hindus, Muslims, West or East, share your belief when it comes to the ludricous tripe known as Sex, Gender, and Transgenderism.

Indeed.

This pseudoscience is generally confined to west only. Even eastern Europe doesn't seem keen on accepting this as we have seen Hungary banning gender studies altogether.

 

[sweep_shot]

No one has the right to create a ruling when the supreme word says all living things are born either male or female. If there were 3 genders, then God would have clearly mentioned about it and not rely on humans to describe it.

Anything other than what God says is just an invention.

Shaykh Champ_Pal (a Hindu guy) pretends to know more about Islam than our mainstream preachers.

Anyway. I am done discussing this with you. We are going off-topic.

 

[Abel Reames]

Shaykh Champ_Pal (a Hindu guy) pretends to know more about Islam than our mainstream preachers.

Anyway. I am done discussing this with you. We are going off-topic.

So hindus and athiests can't talk about Quran/Islam. Why don't you take your own advice and not talk about science. You are not a scientist.

 

[sweep_shot]

So hindus and athiests can't talk about Quran/Islam. Why don't you take your own advice and not talk about science. You are not a scientist.

I didn't say that. I said Hindus shouldn't teach us our own scriptures. LOL.

There are some topics that are not clear in Quran and Sunnah. In that case, scholars have to derive rulings.

Intersex people (people with both male and female features) is one such topic.

Anyway. Please stick to topic. I am done discussing this.

 

[Abel Reames]

I didn't say that. I said Hindus shouldn't teach us our own scriptures. LOL.

There are some topics that are not clear in Quran and Sunnah. In that case, scholars have to derive rulings.

Intersex people (people with both male and female features) is one such topic.

Anyway. Please stick to topic. I am done discussing this.

Scientists also have scriptures, albeit those that change when new evidence comes to light. They are peer reviewed
Do you have any peer reviewed papers to bring forth to support your claim that gender studies is pseudoscience?

 

[sweep_shot]

Scientists also have scriptures, albeit those that change when new evidence comes to light. They are peer reviewed
Do you have any peer reviewed papers to bring forth to support your claim that gender studies is pseudoscience?

Gender studies teaches if a man identifies as a wolf (I posted a video earlier), it is legitimate.

What does common sense tell you?

I have posted some videos earlier. Go through those. You can see why I call it pseudoscience.

 

[Abel Reames]

Gender studies teaches if a man identifies as a wolf (I posted a video earlier), it is legitimate.

What does common sense tell you?

I have posted some videos earlier. Go through those. You can see why I call it pseudoscience.

Does it? Which course/syllabus?

 

[sweep_shot]

Does it? Which course/syllabus?

Did you not understand what I wrote? I wrote in English. Not Chinese.

I told you to check the videos I posted earlier (on this thread). Let me know what you think about those.

 

[Abel Reames]

Did you not understand what I wrote? I wrote in English. Not Chinese.

I told you to check the videos I posted earlier (on this thread). Let me know what you think about those.

Watched it. Did not hear the words gender studies or science, pseudo or otherwise.

 

[sweep_shot]

Watched it. Did not hear the words gender studies or science, pseudo or otherwise.

Those are all related to gender studies. If you don't understand, I can't help.

Stop unnecessarily dragging my thread as it lowers the quality of the thread. Post some references or something interesting.

I don't want to spend my Sunday afternoon responding to your irrelevant short posts.

 

[Abel Reames]

Those are all related to gender studies. If you don't understand, I can't help.

Stop unnecessarily dragging my thread as it lowers the quality of the thread. Post some references or something interesting.

I don't want to spend my Sunday afternoon responding to your irrelevant short posts.

Rather than getting your views from Good Morning Britain television show have a butchers at this.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6677266/

Come back to me when you have a response. Otherwise you're welcome entertain yourself.

 

[sweep_shot]

Rather than getting your views from Good Morning Britain television show have a butchers at this.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6677266/

Come back to me when you have a response. Otherwise you're welcome entertain yourself.

Your logic makes me laugh.

Do you understand that these folks who come to these shows are products of gender studies? Please look up the term "gender identity". Gender identity is a component of gender studies.

 

[Technics 1210]

Your logic makes me laugh.

Do you understand that these folks who come to these shows are products of gender studies? Please look up the term "gender identity". Gender identity is a component of gender studies.

I bet you these radical liberals soilders just did a Google and have not read (let alone understood) any link they cite. Knee jerk Google warriors.

Save time and stop feeding the trolls.

 

[sweep_shot]

I bet you these radical liberals soilders just did a Google and have not read (let alone understood) any link they cite. Knee jerk Google warriors.

Save time and stop feeding the trolls.

Yeah. It doesn't seem like Abel Reames knows what gender identity is. LOL. I think he is writing based on what he learned from this thread.

 

[srh]

I don't think these two should be seen as two different things. This confusion started in mid-20th century thanks to an individual named Robert Stoller. He was the one who coined the term "gender identity".

I consider gender identity to be an inaccurate pseudoscience and a radical leftist political movement.

So, what do you think? Should sex and gender be seen as two different things or should they mean the same thing?

They are same thing just different names. Gender is consider more classy to use. Plus sex has that another meaning of pleasure act. In databases I design, I have always used the word gender.

 

[SalimBhai]

According to Liberalism, there are between 3 and 100 genders.

Not one of them backed by any science or evidence.

Just cos liberals say so, doesn't mean so, it's called propaganda and attention seeking.

You know what’s not backed by science. Adam and ave scenario

 

[Champ_Pal]

Shaykh Champ_Pal (a Hindu guy) pretends to know more about Islam than our mainstream preachers.

Anyway. I am done discussing this with you. We are going off-topic.

I am not a Muslim. But I have studied religous books of various religions to understand their teachings. Abrahamic religions believe in only 2 genders. Male and Female. Rest is all invention.
Eastern religions acknowledge more than 2 genders. A big difference.

I agree, this is deviating from the main topic. But I do agree with you about far left lunacy when it comes to gender.

 

[sweep_shot]

You know what’s not backed by science. Adam and ave scenario

That's okay. We are not forcing you to believe.

If you want to burn in hellfire, that's your business.

 

[sweep_shot]

They are same thing just different names. Gender is consider more classy to use. Plus sex has that another meaning of pleasure act. In databases I design, I have always used the word gender.

Yeah. That's how it was like before.

It all changed though. Leftists have started to make distinction between sex and gender. It is simply stupidity and unnecessary complication.

 

[SalimBhai]

That's okay. We are not forcing you to believe.

If you want to burn in hellfire, that's your business.

I hear it’s mostly dry heat. Not much humidity.

 

[sweep_shot]

I hear it’s mostly dry heat. Not much humidity.

Hellfire is 70 times stronger than Earthly fire.

https://www.abuaminaelias.com/dailyhadithonline/2021/11/29/hellfire-seventy-times/

Back to topic. Do you think a distinction is necessary between gender and sex?

 

[Abel Reames]

Yeah. That's how it was like before.

It all changed though. Leftists have started to make distinction between sex and gender. It is simply stupidity and unnecessary complication.

I explained in my first post in this thread that sex is assigned at birth due to physical bits and gender is what the person feels inside and events that have happened to them as in how they have been socialized/bought up. I mentioned that some females have the genetic inside of men and vice versa.

 

[Abel Reames]

Back in the time of religions they didn't have the benefits of medical science, therefore only went by the physical bits. Religious tomes is where you find pseudoscience.

 

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I don't know how many follow Jordan Peterson here.

He did a great job in this video. He completely owned the leftist professor.

 

[Junaids]

Have to say, apart from cricket, when it comes to time pass topics, I always agree with you on your POV.

Caster Semanya is a great example. There is a documentary available that one could watch and understand.

She might be a women, but her testosterones levels were equivalent of a male that sporting authorities used to say gave her an unfair advantage.

Many would be interested to note that even in Pakistan, which is a muslim country, we have Gender studies and its syllabus is approved by the govt, and the syllabus says that sex is biological and gender is made by us humans. Infact, even for govt jobs, gender studies is an optional subject of study that one can appear for in exam.

Disappointingly, I agree with you too on almost everything apart from Misbah-ul-Haq!

This OP lives in a lovely black and white world, untroubled by reality.

To him, God invented laws two millenia ago. They are miraculously equally applicable to a modern context now as to primitive uneducated humans 2000 years ago.

The fact that the scriptures were documented by ignorant humans with zero scientific understanding does not make this OP question whether they are 100% accurate for every situation in every era. He also relies on interpretations by current and ancient clerics whose knowledge of the world beyond their own religion is very close to non-existent.

There would not even be 5% of Anglican (Protestant) clerics who believe that Adam and Eve is a literal story. But the OP does.

At the moment in the USA we have seen the far-right MAGA movement work out that an ignorant uneducated subgroup of Christians can be manipulated politically by their devotion to religious scripture and their hatred of abortion.

Donald Trump shares virtually none of their beliefs or values, but he has learned what motivates them.

- The precious lives of unborn babies.
- Making life revolve around faith.
- Law and order (except when MAGA supporters would be subject to it).
- Shocking them with extreme stories of wokery.

The gender nonsense is a perfect example of concocting imaginary scandals to belittle your opponents as crazily woke.

Being transgender is a tragic existence for the tiny number of people affected by that plight. But hardly anybody falls into that category. It's an exaggerated, imaginary problem.

Caster Semanya is almost certainly resistant to the massive amounts of male hormone that she has, so her penis never developed and she was left with a vaginal orifice. But she has no ovaries and almost certainly has testes in her abdomen.

That's not a stick to beat the poor woman with. It's a terrible tragedy for her, not a victory for crazy woke liberals.

If I had to put on a scale of 1 to 100 who is the biggest menace to society, I would do it as follows:

People who support Russia versus Ukraine, or advocate the west staying out of it - Menace Level 100/100.
People who believe in Patriarchy - Menace Level 90/100.
White conservatives who just overturned Roe v Wade in the USA - Menace Level 70/100.
People who are transgender - Menace level 0/100.

 

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Disappointingly, I agree with you too on almost everything apart from Misbah-ul-Haq!

This OP lives in a lovely black and white world, untroubled by reality.

To him, God invented laws two millenia ago. They are miraculously equally applicable to a modern context now as to primitive uneducated humans 2000 years ago.

The fact that the scriptures were documented by ignorant humans with zero scientific understanding does not make this OP question whether they are 100% accurate for every situation in every era. He also relies on interpretations by current and ancient clerics whose knowledge of the world beyond their own religion is very close to non-existent.

There would not even be 5% of Anglican (Protestant) clerics who believe that Adam and Eve is a literal story. But the OP does.

At the moment in the USA we have seen the far-right MAGA movement work out that an ignorant uneducated subgroup of Christians can be manipulated politically by their devotion to religious scripture and their hatred of abortion.

Donald Trump shares virtually none of their beliefs or values, but he has learned what motivates them.

- The precious lives of unborn babies.
- Making life revolve around faith.
- Law and order (except when MAGA supporters would be subject to it).
- Shocking them with extreme stories of wokery.

The gender nonsense is a perfect example of concocting imaginary scandals to belittle your opponents as crazily woke.

Being transgender is a tragic existence for the tiny number of people affected by that plight. But hardly anybody falls into that category. It's an exaggerated, imaginary problem.

Caster Semanya is almost certainly resistant to the massive amounts of male hormone that she has, so her penis never developed and she was left with a vaginal orifice. But she has no ovaries and almost certainly has testes in her abdomen.

That's not a stick to beat the poor woman with. It's a terrible tragedy for her, not a victory for crazy woke liberals.

If I had to put on a scale of 1 to 100 who is the biggest menace to society, I would do it as follows:

People who support Russia versus Ukraine, or advocate the west staying out of it - Menace Level 100/100.
People who believe in Patriarchy - Menace Level 90/100.
White conservatives who just overturned Roe v Wade in the USA - Menace Level 70/100.
People who are transgender - Menace level 0/100.

Gender identity nonsense is becoming big in US, Canada, and UK. I am not sure about Australia. I don't care what they do but these stuffs are starting to be shoved down everyone's throat. They are starting to poison young children. I have a problem with that when children are dragged into this mess.

Regarding religion, this was not a religious thread really. Some Islamophobes turned it into one. Either way, calling religion anti-science is simply a pretentiously ignorant statement. Both religion and science compliment each other.

Anyone who supports Western interference in Ukraine is hypocritical because West has a long history of invading other countries themselves. British Empire alone looted around $45-trillion from Indian subcontinent. We all know what Americans did in Iraq and Afghanistan. I hope Russians have vaporized all the Nazi scumbags in Ukraine.

Anyone who considers this gender identity issue to be a nonexistent issue is simply living in a secular lala land and is out of touch with ground reality.

 

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There would not even be 5% of Anglican (Protestant) clerics who believe that Adam and Eve is a literal story. But the OP does.

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When you throw around figures like this, hard to take you seriously.

You are the same guy who wrote Russia lost 20% of its troops in 2 days. You are the same guy who said Russia is not a nation state.

It is obvious by now all the figures you post are generally made out of thin air (not backed by any legitimate source). A lot of your comments are far-left nonsense and are just fake news.

 

[Junaids]

Gender identity nonsense is becoming big in US, Canada, and UK. I am not sure about Australia. I don't care what they do but these stuffs are starting to be shoved down everyone's throat. They are starting to poison young children. I have a problem with that when children are dragged into this mess.

Regarding religion, this was not a religious thread really. Some Islamophobes turned it into one. Either way, calling religion anti-science is simply a pretentiously ignorant statement. Both religion and science compliment each other.

Anyone who supports Western interference in Ukraine is hypocritical because West has a long history of invading other countries themselves. British Empire alone looted around $45-trillion from Indian subcontinent. We all know what Americans did in Iraq and Afghanistan. I hope Russians have vaporized all the Nazi scumbags in Ukraine.

Anyone who considers this gender identity issue to be a nonexistent issue is simply living in a secular lala land and is out of touch with ground reality.

The Russians ARE the Nazi scumbags in Ukraine!

The fact that the west did bad things and has learned from it is a good thing. Sadly Russia still does those things!

All this gender nonsense is just red meat for brainless conservatives. The “Don’t Say Gay” law in Florida basically criminalised something which was already banned and didn’t happen.

 

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The Russians ARE the Nazi scumbags in Ukraine!

The fact that the west did bad things and has learned from it is a good thing. Sadly Russia still does those things!

All this gender nonsense is just red meat for brainless conservatives. The “Don’t Say Gay” law in Florida basically criminalised something which was already banned and didn’t happen.

Nope. You do not live in North America. You are in Australia. You have no idea how stupid this issue is becoming over here.

Again, what they do is not my business. But, when these stuffs get shoved down everyone's throat (gender pronouns and stuffs), it is problematic.

Check this video to understand what I am trying to say:

 

[Junaids]

. A lot of your comments are far-left nonsense and are just fake news.

And yet I am a Conservative voter. I am in the 40% most right-wing people in the UK!

But your beliefs are so right-wing and anti-progressive that to you I seem “far-left”!

 

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And yet I am a Conservative voter. I am in the 40% most right-wing people in the UK!

But your beliefs are so right-wing and anti-progressive that to you I seem “far-left”!

I wonder what your fellow Conservative voters think about you when you say blasphemous things about mainstream Christianity.

It seems like you have an identity crisis. You support all the leftist policies but you claim to vote conservative. Something doesn't add up.