Why can't you have rigging in KPK?

[Khaleefa]

Looking at all these blood boiling videos of rigging in Karachi and Lahore, one may wonder why can't you have rigging or minimum rigging in KPK?

You know why? cuz almost everyone has a loaded gun over there. You think 10 times before messing up with someone. You take a panga, and that person's entire village will come after you loaded with ammunition. This weaponry with all it's cons, sometimes serves as a good deterrence.

 

[AZ]

err no, its because ANP are not bitter losers and are graciously not questioning PTI's victory.

 

[Bhaijaan]

It takes a Punjabi sher to do so.

 

[Strike!]

err no, its because ANP are not bitter losers and are graciously not questioning PTI's victory.

Where are the videos of rigged elections from KPK? Kindly post them.

 

[Indiafan]

Lol, what childish logic by OP

 

[cricketworm]

Ok I am going to sound cynic, but because no-one really care about winning in KPK in order to win the election in Pakistan or they weren't paid that's why no rigging there?

 

[oyei]

Where are the videos of rigged elections from KPK? Kindly post them.

Don't ask negative question

 

[shan]

In at least 49 polling stations around all four provinces of the country, the number of votes polled far exceeds the registered voters, according to data from elections observer group FAFEN.These include six polling stations in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa province, 31 in Punjab, 11 in Sindh and one in Balochistan.

It seem every province rigged but its nicely distribuited across going by overall seats. So OP stupid logic fail flat on his face.

http://dawn.com/2013/05/14/rigging-49-polling-stations-received-over-100pc-turnout-across-pakistan/

 

[mithun_minhas]

Is OP a member of NRA?

 

[cricketworm]

Why ruin the fun with the facts, Shan? Whai?

 

[asifp]

If there was rigging then ANP would be making noise...

maybe they did not see anything wrong and have no reason to complain.

Its not just the polling stations that had over 100% turnout, any stations that has more than 80% turn out should be treated as suspicious and the voting trend me analysed there.

Just give me the data and I will be able to tell you!

 

[saadibaba]

This is the same argument pro-gun lobby and NRA gives i.e if everyone has guns than there will be no violence. What OP forgets is how much violence in general goes on in KP despite everyone having ammunition.

 

[Zarrar]

This is the same argument pro-gun lobby and NRA gives i.e if everyone has guns than there will be no violence. What OP forgets is how much violence in general goes on in KP despite everyone having ammunition.

Frivolous NRA excuse analogy doesn't apply to Pakistan...

1. Law enforcement agencies actually go after the criminals in US, where as in Karachi a lot of MQM goons are in the ranks of Police

2. Even with the ban on guns, MQMers still have access to guns, whereas in US a ban would really mean a ban...

3. Unlike Karachi, the Law enforcment agencies are more numerous and more heavily armed than the criminals...

 

[lilFlip]

Lol, what childish logic by OP

No. In those areas people don't fear police(read: ghundas) and no goon can intimidate them.

OP's logic is 100% correct

 

[waqar_ahmad]

Where are the videos of rigged elections from KPK? Kindly post them.

Stop asking such questions. We still want AZ posting in this thread

 

[Zechariah]

Its not mean to offend anyone but it been generally known that its very difficult to BUY a pathan.

 

[Myrmidon]

mung sara ghairat shta paday

money cannot buy most of us

 

[saadibaba]

Frivolous NRA excuse analogy doesn't apply to Pakistan...

1. Law enforcement agencies actually go after the criminals in US, where as in Karachi a lot of MQM goons are in the ranks of Police

2. Even with the ban on guns, MQMers still have access to guns, whereas in US a ban would really mean a ban...

3. Unlike Karachi, the Law enforcment agencies are more numerous and more heavily armed than the criminals...

I was talking about KP since the OP is about KP not specifically about Karachi. What OP is suggesting is if people of every province become as heavily armed as ones in KP, no rigging will take place. Agree with you about the differences regarding the law and order situation in Pak specifically Karachi versus US but I feel that arming of people will lead to more violence and mayhem. Ultimately police and other law enforcement agencies need to be reformed and seperated from political influence.

 

[saadibaba]

Btw, Karachi hosts the largest population of Pashtuns outside Peshawar (maybe even more than Peshawar) who continue to keep themselves armed. Still rigging is commonplace in Karachi. That proves that rigging is not because of lack of arms but because of the stronghold of certain political parties in a region. The result is violence on a daily basis. Rigging, voter intimidation etc. continues to be prevelant, arms or no arms.

 

[Zarrar]

Btw, Karachi hosts the largest population of Pashtuns outside Peshawar (maybe even more than Peshawar) who continue to keep themselves armed. Still rigging is commonplace in Karachi. That proves that rigging is not because of lack of arms but because of the stronghold of certain political parties in a region. The result is violence on a daily basis. Rigging, voter intimidation etc. continues to be prevelant, arms or no arms.

Karachi is the biggest Pukhtun city in the World bar none...Peshawar, Kandahar, Jalalabad or even Kabul don't even come close....

They constitute approximately 25% of the population in a city of almost 20 million...

But the issue is the way district/constituencies are divided up in Karachi...Musharaf did a huge injustice to the city by co-opting the pukhun votes with incongruous and unnatural constituencies...prime example is the constituency where Gabool...what the heck is Manghopir where pushtuns are in high numbers doing in the same constituency as Azizabad?????

 

[AZ]

Where are the videos of rigged elections from KPK? Kindly post them.

really, THAT is your logic for saying there was no rigging?

there's been a virtual war going on over rigging in NA-125, where are the videos of rigging if it took place?

 

[Badsha]

I went to my village in KpK to vote


The atmosphere was so good. We were joking with the ANP people that we better stay away from you guys because terrorits are targetting you.

Then we found a guy with a long beard and told him "hey, you! we better stay away from you, you have the terrorist beard!" and he just laughed.


It was a lot of fun. No one cared about which party one voted for. Like, people were saying things like "Hey son of a ___ you're going to vote for teer ?" (jokingly) and "ANP walo, the lanterns time is done."

I was impressed with the open mindedness of everyone.



But all this happiness would've turned into warfare If someone tried to attempt to rig the elections.

Seriously, if one man tried to force himself in the polling booth or make some fuss, the whole village would destroy him and his family. They do not tolerate injustice.



To answer the question, despite the pakhtoons degenerating for a long time now thanks to horrible rulers and no education, we still have this one good thing about us.

 

[Strike!]

really, THAT is your logic for saying there was no rigging?

there's been a virtual war going on over rigging in NA-125, where are the videos of rigging if it took place?

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Now you'll say that eyewitness accounts don't count for evidence. Lets let a court of law decide on that, One that isn't based on our corrupt judicial system.

 

[Myrmidon]

I went to my village in KpK to vote


The atmosphere was so good. We were joking with the ANP people that we better stay away from you guys because terrorits are targetting you.

Then we found a guy with a long beard and told him "hey, you! we better stay away from you, you have the terrorist beard!" and he just laughed.


It was a lot of fun. No one cared about which party one voted for. Like, people were saying things like "Hey son of a ___ you're going to vote for teer ?" (jokingly) and "ANP walo, the lanterns time is done."

I was impressed with the open mindedness of everyone.



But all this happiness would've turned into warfare If someone tried to attempt to rig the elections.

Seriously, if one man tried to force himself in the polling booth or make some fuss, the whole village would destroy him and his family. They do not tolerate injustice.



To answer the question, despite the pakhtoons degenerating for a long time now thanks to horrible rulers and no education, we still have this one good thing about us.

kor de rayad ko

 

[S_K]

I dont know about the rest but the polling station in Swabi NA 13 mentioned by Hamid Mir on capital talk was won by PML-N. According to FEFAN, this polling station had a turn out of over 100%.

 

[Myrmidon]

^^ that does sound dodgy

PMLN winning in a Pashtun dominated area is always going to raise eyebrows

 

[S_K]

Asad qaiser won both the NA and Provincial seat in that constituency but in that particular polling station, the pml-n candidate had more votes than all the other candidates.

 

[shan]

I dont know about the rest but the polling station in Swabi NA 13 mentioned by Hamid Mir on capital talk was won by PML-N. According to FEFAN, this polling station had a turn out of over 100%.

PTI won in NA13 and by huge margin.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Don't know about whether rigging went on in KPK or not, but Pashtuns have always had a very high code of conduct. While they have some other customs I don't particularly agree with, I've always admired that quality. We could do with it in some of our other communities that's for sure.

 

[shan]

^^ that does sound dodgy

PMLN winning in a Pashtun dominated area is always going to raise eyebrows

Yes raise eyebrows in the eyes of Afghan racists. PTI doesnt have problem with every seat they lost and in NA44 PTI was not even in picture. Only 2 FATA seats went to PTI out of 12. And not everyone think on ethinic lines like you.

 

[S_K]

PTI won in NA13 and by huge margin.

Yes thats what i am saying but FEFAN mentioned one particular polling station in NA13 which had a turn out of 100+ and thats where pml-n got more votes than any other party

 

[shan]

Yes thats what i am saying but FEFAN mentioned one particular polling station in NA13 which had a turn out of 100+ and thats where pml-n got more votes than any other party

6 polling station in Kpk where turn over was 100+.

 

[S_K]

6 polling station in Kpk where turn over was 100+.

Yes and i dont know about those polling stations thats why i didn't mention them in my post but since i myself am from that constituency, i can confirm this.

 

[akheR]

PTInsafians are exaggerating now, the only NA seat ANP won - courtesy Ameer Haider Khan Hoti - , NA-9 (Mardan-I), supposedly had rigging gymnastic going on.

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[AZ]

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Now you'll say that eyewitness accounts don't count for evidence. Lets let a court of law decide on that, One that isn't based on our corrupt judicial system.

LOL, what exactly is the credibility of an eyewitness blatantly favoring one party, be it PMLN or PTI?

and why even bother if in your words we have a 'corrupt judicial system'?

where do you want to have a court hearing then, The Hague?

Hamid Khan WON these polling stations by 16000-16500 votes!

 

[carbon11]

kor de rayad ko

His account has made you remember back home

 

[Myrmidon]

PTInsafians are exaggerating now, the only NA seat ANP won - courtesy Ameer Haider Khan Hoti - , NA-9 (Mardan-I), supposedly had rigging gymnastic going on.

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Haider Khan does not need to rig an election to win in Mardan, nobody can win the Mardan seat from him

he has done alot for the people of the place and the city has come on leaps and bounds because of him in terms of education and development and as a reward he won both provincial and national assembly seats because the people love him for it. he is nothing like his father

as if some unknown was going to win Mardan from Haider Khan Hoti

 

[786pk]

Because everyone knows that you don't mess with a pathan.

 

[Khaleefa]

I went to my village in KpK to vote


The atmosphere was so good. We were joking with the ANP people that we better stay away from you guys because terrorits are targetting you.

Then we found a guy with a long beard and told him "hey, you! we better stay away from you, you have the terrorist beard!" and he just laughed.


It was a lot of fun. No one cared about which party one voted for. Like, people were saying things like "Hey son of a ___ you're going to vote for teer ?" (jokingly) and "ANP walo, the lanterns time is done."

I was impressed with the open mindedness of everyone.



But all this happiness would've turned into warfare If someone tried to attempt to rig the elections.

Seriously, if one man tried to force himself in the polling booth or make some fuss, the whole village would destroy him and his family. They do not tolerate injustice.



To answer the question, despite the pakhtoons degenerating for a long time now thanks to horrible rulers and no education, we still have this one good thing about us.

kor de rayad ko

Because everyone knows that you don't mess with a pathan.

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[TalentSpotterPk]

Nations cannot be reformed without reformation of Youth

 

[ShadabFakhar]

Nations cannot be reformed without reformation of Youth

Translation please?

 

[TalentSpotterPk]

Translation please?

He is reciting Kalima Tayyaba & saying that Imran Khan & PTI did not have in them what needs to win an election and he stuffed the Ballott boxes did rigging and won them Mardan seat.

Don't know if He is a turn coat or this is ****** of his conscience ¿

 

[ShadabFakhar]

He is reciting Kalima Tayyaba & saying that Imran Khan & PTI did not have in them what needs to win an election and he stuffed the Ballott boxes did rigging and won them Mardan seat.

Don't know if He is a turn coat or this is ****** of his conscience ¿

If anything, it's an endorsement of Imran Khan, that the leader wouldn't resort to rigging. It's PTI and not PML-N where it's top-down corruption, so I expect some accountability from somewhere and I hope that this guy receives the appropriate punishment for rigging, it'll be a good test to see how far PTI has come.