Why do couples live together without getting married?

[sweep_shot]

In west people live together with CONSENT of each other.

While religions allowed masters to rape dozens of slave girls after buying them, without their consents.


So, who is closer of having an ANIMAL type attitude?

So, you would be fine if your child starts to live together. Got it.

This is not a religious thread. You are going off-topic. You are talking about things that happened at a different period. Those things were acceptable during those times but nobody does that anymore.

Slavery system is no longer practiced anywhere in any Muslim state.

 

[Vega]

https://gulfnews.com/world/gulf/saudi/saudi-divorce-rates-rise-by-50-1.2109098

Saudi divorce rates rise by 50%

According to Saudi Open Data, 35,000 divorce cases were reported in 2015, and 40,000 in 2016.

Experts believe that divorce rates have gone up by around 50 per cent this year from last year.

 

[kk1992]

In west people live together with CONSENT of each other.

While religions allowed masters to rape dozens of slave girls after buying them, without their consents.


So, who is closer of having an ANIMAL type attitude?

What?

The only slaves are now those who are forced in to kidnapped and prostitution.

Try to present your point in present times.

 

[kk1992]

https://gulfnews.com/world/gulf/saudi/saudi-divorce-rates-rise-by-50-1.2109098

Saudi divorce rates rise by 50%

According to Saudi Open Data, 35,000 divorce cases were reported in 2015, and 40,000 in 2016.

Experts believe that divorce rates have gone up by around 50 per cent this year from last year.

Isn't that similar to west now?

More people are choosing to not live together if they believe they are not compatible anymore?

Still, 40K is nothing in a county of a population of 33 Million.

 

[Vega]

Conclusion:

(1) Arabs are closest in understanding religion due to their language and culture.

(2) From recent trend of Divorce in RICH Arab countries, it is proven that Islam is unable to control this breakage of family.

(3) While non Muslim countries like Vietnam has the least divorce rate in the world.

(4) Divorce rate increased in West, while WOMEN got the economical freedom.
While in countries like Pakistan, women are still being BLACKMAILED to live with their husbands due to their economic situation.
This is "mostly" EXPLOITATION of women economic situation in the Muslim world, which Muslims wrongly claim "Stronger Family Ties due to Religion".

 

[kk1992]

Conclusion: what criteria have you followed? It can be your opinion but no conclusion.

(1) Arabs are closest in understanding religion due to their language and culture.
False
(2) From recent trend of Divorce in RICH Arab countries, it is proven that Islam is unable to control this breakage of family.
Islam encourage divorce and encourage marrying a divorce women.

(3) While non Muslim countries like Vietnam has the least divorce rate in the world.
There are plenty of non-Muslims countries that has the greatest divorce rate in the world

(4) Divorce rate increased in West, while WOMEN got the economical freedom.
While in countries like Pakistan, women are still being BLACKMAILED to live with their husbands due to their economic situation.
That is the case in any country where woman is dependent on significant other, plenty of female in west still forced themselves to live with their significant other despite wishing not to

This is "mostly" EXPLOITATION of women economic situation in the Muslim world, which Muslims wrongly claim "Stronger Family Ties due to Religion"
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Regards.

 

[Abdul]

I personally support death penalty for cheating spouses. They are the scums.

The concept of splitting wealth is pretty stupid. Women get things too easily. I think there needs to be a balanced law for divorce.

I personally support death penalty for conservatives. They're the scums.

 

[Waleed93]

Some so-called liberals worrying over a simple question.

On topic, I strongly disagree on 2 people living together without getting married.

Basically, you are hiding behind the excuse of "knowing her better", only to spend several years with her, having kids with her, and eventually leaving her as a single mother because "she was not my type".

This crap leads to children not having their father's name throughout their lives and exposes the cowardice and fear of responsibility of a lot of men, who are ready to have fun, but will be the first ones to run away like cowards at the first sign of responsibility.

 

[Vega]

Still, 40K is nothing in a county of a population of 33 Million.

You have misunderstood the stats regarding divorce rate in Saudi Arabia. It is not about the previous marriages of older generation, but it is the marriage rate to divorce rate in recent years.


You could understand it better from this article:

http://saudigazette.com.sa/article/569096

JEDDAH — Divorce cases attested by the Saudi courts during May have surpassed the marriage contracts in six regions which were Makkah, Riyadh, the Eastern Province, Qasim, Hail and Najran, according to the statistics issued by the Justice Ministry.

The ministry said there were 711 marriages between Saudi couples in Makkah against 900 divorce cases.


I hope now you could understand the real issue.

 

[kk1992]

You have misunderstood the stats regarding divorce rate in Saudi Arabia. It is not about the previous marriages of older generation, but it is the marriage rate to divorce rate in recent years.


You could understand it better from this article:

http://saudigazette.com.sa/article/569096

JEDDAH — Divorce cases attested by the Saudi courts during May have surpassed the marriage contracts in six regions which were Makkah, Riyadh, the Eastern Province, Qasim, Hail and Najran, according to the statistics issued by the Justice Ministry.

The ministry said there were 711 marriages between Saudi couples in Makkah against 900 divorce cases.


I hope now you could understand the real issue.

You have misunderstood Islam while also confusing religion with culture.

Also misunderstood Saudi.

 

[Vega]

Some so-called liberals worrying over a simple question.

Problem is you are perhaps living in any Islamic country, while your conclusions regarding Western society are wrong.

On topic, I strongly disagree on 2 people living together without getting married.

The consent to live together (even for a shorter period) is a marriage itself. I know you cannot understand it at moment. But wait.

Basically, you are hiding behind the excuse of "knowing her better", only to spend several years with her, having kids with her,

NO.

Firstly, in present day western society, people don't hasten in making kids, but they take their full time. Therefore, they go for kids only after mutually agreeing with each other.

Secondly, even if "unexpected" pregnancy occurs, then today they have the full right to go for abortion.

and eventually leaving her as a single mother because "she was not my type".

You are totally wrong about this "leaving" issue.

In West, if you have children, then you are FULLY responsible even after you have left the wife.

You cannot leave her as "single mother", but state makes you equally responsible to take care of the children as so called (in your language) "single father".

Either you have to pay for the kids and have them on the weekend and holidays, or new rules are "joint sharing custody" where one week child stays with mother and one week by father.

Therefore, no one could run away from the responsibility and women are not "single mothers" in the West.

This crap leads to children not having their father's name throughout their lives and exposes the cowardice and fear of responsibility of a lot of men, who are ready to have fun, but will be the first ones to run away like cowards at the first sign of responsibility.

Again wrong.

Women have complete choice at their disposal. If they have become pregnant and don't know the partner, then they could simple abort it.

But if they still want to have a child, then they are fully supported by the society. None will call their children as "********" or "illegitimate" (While Islamic Sharia does do a wrong thing to the innocent children by labelling them as illegitimate (Arabic: Walad-ul-Haram).

Again, even if a man is coward and don't want to take a responsibility, but this is not going to help him and he has to take the responsibility.

Please also remember, only religious (christian) families are having children, while they believe abortion is against their religion. As far as non-religious women are concerned, then they are not having any unwanted children as they go for the abortion.

 

[dildilpak]

Honestly, i don’t see why the OP or somebody has to poke their nose in anybody’s private life... its a personal choice if somebody wants to be in a live-in or not & nobody gets harmed by it. Besides if you are living in a non-Islamic, non-conservative country & judging something which is acceptable across the local population by your own religious beliefs, how is that right by any stretch of imagination?

 

[Waleed93]

Problem is you are perhaps living in any Islamic country, while your conclusions regarding Western society are wrong.




The consent to live together (even for a shorter period) is a marriage itself. I know you cannot understand it at moment. But wait.




NO.

Firstly, in present day western society, people don't hasten in making kids, but they take their full time. Therefore, they go for kids only after mutually agreeing with each other.

Secondly, even if "unexpected" pregnancy occurs, then today they have the full right to go for abortion.




You are totally wrong about this "leaving" issue.

In West, if you have children, then you are FULLY responsible even after you have left the wife.

You cannot leave her as "single mother", but state makes you equally responsible to take care of the children as so called (in your language) "single father".

Either you have to pay for the kids and have them on the weekend and holidays, or new rules are "joint sharing custody" where one week child stays with mother and one week by father.

Therefore, no one could run away from the responsibility and women are not "single mothers" in the West.





Again wrong.

Women have complete choice at their disposal. If they have become pregnant and don't know the partner, then they could simple abort it.

But if they still want to have a child, then they are fully supported by the society. None will call their children as "********" or "illegitimate" (While Islamic Sharia does do a wrong thing to the innocent children by labelling them as illegitimate (Arabic: Walad-ul-Haram).

Again, even if a man is coward and don't want to take a responsibility, but this is not going to help him and he has to take the responsibility.

Please also remember, only religious (christian) families are having children, while they believe abortion is against their religion. As far as non-religious women are concerned, then they are not having any unwanted children as they go for the abortion.

No, I do not live in any Islamic country. I was born, I completed my studies, and I work in a European country.

A marriage is not just about living in the same house and sleeping in the same bed as your partner. It has to be legally recognised. Otherwise, it's not called a marriage.

Your opinion is based on the beliefs shared in the Western countries. However, despite not living in Pakistan or India, I understand the difference between their culture and European/American cultures.

It doesn't necessarily have to be linked with religion, but in Pakistan or in India, a single mother has to go through all sorts of trouble after getting pregnant. If a man and a woman live together for years and end their relationship before getting married, the man can literally walk away without any problem, even if the woman ends up getting pregnant.

It's completely different to Western nations where a man has to take responsibility for his deeds after the birth of the child. In America, for example, women know they can get pregnant, as their partner will have to take full responsibility of the child, even if they decide to leave each other after a few years. Even an abortion is not badly viewed, so they can go for it as well.

In Pakistan, it is not the case, and you can link this with religion, society, culture, etc... A child born with his mother unmarried or even an abortion from a single mother is very badly viewed, and this is why a legally recognised marriage is important in these countries. It not only forces every man to take up the whole responsibility of the child, it also gives some kind of "guarantee" to women who would go through hell if they ever get pregnant without having a husband.

 

[Robert]

Why can't they marry? Always wondered that.

Living together is extremely classless and cheap to me. There is no difference between animals and unmarried couples who live together.

Discuss.

Perhaps they see the marriage certificate as a meaningless piece of paper which does not codify love and commitment.

 

[MenInG]

Perhaps they see the marriage certificate as a meaningless piece of paper which does not codify love and commitment.

I think this is a key point.

Marriage is not just about some words being said, and a signature - its about commitment. Even in Islam, marriage is a simple procedure. What is more important is what happens when children are born etc - those are bigger issues.

 

[Technics 1210]

Perhaps they see the marriage certificate as a meaningless piece of paper which does not codify love and commitment.

That is not what the marriage certificate is for. The marriage certificate is evidence, and a legal document, which entitles certain spouse privileges. Such as pension, tax, and inheritance benefits. This was the very reason why Gay marriages were made legal; spouse benefits.

 

[sshakir411]

Get a girlfriend and you’ll find out.

 

[Vega]

That is not what the marriage certificate is for. The marriage certificate is evidence, and a legal document, which entitles certain spouse privileges. Such as pension, tax, and inheritance benefits. This was the very reason why Gay marriages were made legal; spouse benefits.

Marriage is only a "mutual" contract on whatever conditions both partners agree to.

If they don't want pension, tax, inheritance involved, then there is no problem in it.

 

[Vega]

I would request to take into consideration the other side of picture too.

What when you engage in an arranged marriage?

What when you make her pregnant the very first night, but later you come to know that both of you are compatible with each other?

 

[Patriot]

As someone in the U.K., if I had the money, I would do an experiment on British society. I would start a think tank and promote to destroy the concept of marriage in society. I would advertise, promote it all over social media, campaigns, start groups, etc. Do everything I could and pour a lot of money, just to see the impact on society if more and more people stop getting married and alienate the whole concept of marriage. It would be a fascinating experiment.

 

[Deewana Mastana]

I'm sure it is a trend in Pakistan now.

 

[PakLFC]

Coz it allows them to keep playing the field. Many people are afraid of commitment preferring to keep their options open. Such relations satisfy their lust whilst looking for someone better. When they supposedly do the whole cycle will start again hence the boyfriend/girlfriend culture thrives.

 

[MenInG]

An Indian friend of ours was telling us how his son is living with a girl and so I asked him, doesnt he say to his son this is not the way its done, he replied "what to do? I can either make a statement like that or keep my son? What options do I have"

 

[Pakistanian]

My roommates girlfriends have lived with us but personally I'd never consider a a live in relationship because you spoil all the fun of moving in with your spouse after marriage.

 

[troodon]

Marriage is an alliance of 2 individuals with different interests and life styles. Even if you marry someone from your community who has lived through the same things that you have been through, both individuals involved in it still differ and argue over pretty much everything.

Live-in relations will become norm in the future. Marriage lets couples take each other for granted as they do not put enough work into it. Live-in relations will keep the couples on their toes. Nobody can oppress or take their spouse for granted.

 

[miandadrules]

My wife and I lived together for 3 years before we got married.

It was really helpful in truly getting to know each and other and to find out if we were compatible.

 

[The_Odd_One]

Marriage is a legal contract which binds you to share everything you own with your spouse. Divorce rate is very high and most of the time it is very hard financially on at least one spouse. Not everyone wants that.

 

[Itachi]

Marriage is an alliance of 2 individuals with different interests and life styles. Even if you marry someone from your community who has lived through the same things that you have been through, both individuals involved in it still differ and argue over pretty much everything.

Live-in relations will become norm in the future. Marriage lets couples take each other for granted as they do not put enough work into it. Live-in relations will keep the couples on their toes. Nobody can oppress or take their spouse for granted.

I'll disagree with this. Marriage or live-in, both has nothing to do with the dynamics of a relationship. It will belong to the two individuals. If they are same, the dyanmics will be same regardless whether they are living in or as a married one.

 

[Robert]

Some so-called liberals worrying over a simple question.

On topic, I strongly disagree on 2 people living together without getting married.

Basically, you are hiding behind the excuse of "knowing her better", only to spend several years with her, having kids with her, and eventually leaving her as a single mother because "she was not my type".

This crap leads to children not having their father's name throughout their lives and exposes the cowardice and fear of responsibility of a lot of men, who are ready to have fun, but will be the first ones to run away like cowards at the first sign of responsibility.

How is this any different from a married man leaving his wife and kids?

 

[Robert]

That is not what the marriage certificate is for. The marriage certificate is evidence, and a legal document, which entitles certain spouse privileges. Such as pension, tax, and inheritance benefits. This was the very reason why Gay marriages were made legal; spouse benefits.

I know what it is for. I have entered such a legal contract. Some people don't feel the need for it.

 

[jalebi-lover]

kuffaar dont have the same moral principles as muslims so they dont think its weird.

 

[andy0204]

Living relationships,gay relationships is going to be common in future,Iam sad to say this.

 

[DeadBall]

Living relationships,gay relationships is going to be common in future,Iam sad to say this.

I don't think necrophilia is that common now anyway.

 

[DeadBall]

kuffaar dont have the same moral principles as muslims so they dont think its weird.

Poor kuffar

 

[CricketCartoons]

My wife and I lived together for 3 years before we got married.

It was really helpful in truly getting to know each and other and to find out if we were compatible.

To really know if you two are compatible, you two should live together for a year along with her parents in law. Otherwise you are fooling yourself.

 

[andy0204]

To really know if you two are compatible, you two should live together for a year along with her parents in law. Otherwise you are fooling yourself.

How can they allow living relationship if their family are conservative?

 

[CricketCartoons]

How can they allow living relationship if their family are conservative?

How will you know that you two are compatible if you don't know how your wife will react around your parents?

 

[Vega]

I asked one counter question above.

What if you go for an arranged marriage, have children as early as possible and come to know that your are incompatible


I think all those who oppose relationship before marriage, they are in debt of giving answer to this question.

 

[uberkoen]

Why are people discussing a topic which is a personal issue between two consenting adults.

The whole concept of marriage is a bit silly as it is specially the religious perspective of it. "Oh you need to be married so you can give the child your name". I'm sorry, but that's pathetic. Why can't I give the child my name if I'm not married? What happens to children of divorced parents do they not get their fathers name?

Live and let live.