Why do overseas Pakistanis love Imran Khan?

[uberkoen]

More rubbish coming from you. Kuch tou sharma kar.. Of course most of the remittances are from Gulf countries, but a significant share come from Europe, USA and Aurstralia.

Just let the 9 million overseas pakistanis participate in the election and you will see which party they will vote for. And in mean time keep posting your nonesense here.

50% of the total remittances that Pakistan receives are from two countries: UAE and KSA. In 2020, these two countries amounted for $1.35bn of the $2.76bn received in remittances.

Sharam karna ka mujhe bol rahe ho aur jhoot khud bole ja rahe ho

 

[Rana]

Rather than historical references please look at Fiqh and Islamic jurisprudence.

Anyways don't want to argue about this as it's your personal belief and don't want to offend you. Also not the right thread for this. If you're curious to find out more, open up a thread and get others thoughts on this

If this wasn’t the right thread for this discussion then why did you provide a baseless statement about Islamic theology in the first place?

And no, you will not offend me. Pleas Provide references from Fiqh and Islamic jurisprudence if you wish to do so. Where is the Fiqh that says a person who believes in Allah and his Messengers, prays 5 times a day in accordance to Islamic practice is not a Muslim if they truly believe they are?

 

[DeadlyVenom]

No need to say "overseas" Pakistanis.

The ones who voted him into power twice in KPK, took his party from nothing, to forming government in next to no time and are now protesting in record numbers are not overseas Pakistanis.

I feel the overseas card is played a lot by frustrated people living many miles away who want to be part of the struggle, and its also a common tactic used to downplay Khans achievement by his enemies.

The reality is that the overseas contribution to his success is negligible. Our so called love is immaterial. We are like football fans who claim to be similar to players/managers in delivering success because we occasionally buy a shirt or buy tickets.

Claiming to be more patriotic with a US flag beside your name is the biggest hogwash I have heard. The reality is in the post-covid world it is very easy to move countries. If people really wanted to care about the image of Pakistan, they would build it from Pakistan, not from the USA.

Stop putting our friends, brothers and cousins in Pakistan down and belittling them when we have no idea the challenges they face.

PTI was built on the blood, sweat and toil of those living in Pakistan and will only thrive from their efforts.

 

[Varun]

Overseas Pakistanis are overrated.

Number of Pakistanis in Pakistan = 214 million
Number of overseas Pakistanis = 9 million
Number of overseas Pakistanis in the Persian Gulf region = 4.5 million

 

[Markhor]

Overseas Pakistani support PTI because they want Pakistan to go back to the stone ages with regressive laws and strict fascist right wing laws being enacted while they continue to enjoy living in the west.

While I agree on the general point that the western "khalifa bros" would never live in the fundamentalist state they fantasise about - I think Pakistanis have done a decent job themselves of supporting regressive stone age laws in the last 40 years.

The Ahmedi amendment of 1974, the Hudood Ordinance and the hardening of blasphemy laws all came long before Imran. However Imran's kowtowing to the religious right in office has been very disappointing.

 

[Local.Dada]

I have a theory. Back in the day, there was a lot of racism in Britain. Probably still is but it is a lot more under the surface. People from Ind/Pak origin were subjected to a certain slur. Extremely talented guys of East-Indian origin even had to hide their ethnicity to reach main stream status. Eg; Freddie Mercury, Ben Kingsley etc.

Now here comes a handsome and charismatic guy, good at his day job (cricket), hangs around with the Britsh social elites. All of sudden he became a role model/ hero for the average British Pakistani. That’s the guy the aspire to be.

2009 WT20 and CT 2017 hardly seem to exist in front of 1992.

I think he did a lot for their self-esteem.

 

[topspin]

When Imran came in 2013, people said he is just a cricketer, he doesnt know how politics work and would not be doing anything worthwhile. Thus, didnt do as good in the election but got KPK because KPK was fed up with ANP. While ANP has given many sacrifices, they failed to do anything in Peshawar and left it as a crap city. KPK took a gamble there.

However, during this time Imran was able to show himself as a very strong opposition. An area where PPP failed miserably. Panama case was big, and PTI was able to prove PMLN as being corrupt and did very well as opposition.

Many people who live outside of Pakistan are those who left the country knowing the economic situation wasnt good and wasn't gonna ever improve be it under military, PMLN or PPP with Zardari. Some left due to poor economic situations while living here, others left knowing the sifarish and nepotism culture of Pakistan especially under Zardari's govt and left dishearten and to earn their way in other countries.

There is also another generation that is living outside Pakistan even before the 90s, and for them Imran was always an Icon and were blind supporters of him from day one.

The dilemma was in in 2013 election. 2008 was a new hope as people thought remove Mushraffe bring in PPP and everything would be fixed, while Musharaffe was removed, the situation didnt improve under Zardari. Nawaz Shareef had a bad reputation even before he was elected as PM in 2013. Alot of people did not even vote back than, they had given up hope.

Imran was a breath of fresh air for these people after they saw him in opposition, especially the ones living overseas. For the people who left during the 2000s, they saw him as a new face who can stand his ground in politics, the pre 90s liked him due to his icon status and also convince their next generation that he is good.

Generation politics doesnt exist only here but it exists overseas aswell.

After he came in as PM, he did do some work for the overseas and used his overseas strength to pour in money to our economy.

Imran also knows how to carry himself and give a speech. The last politician we had as such was Benazir. Noon League politicians are just jokers. They remind you off the shop keeper uncles of UK.

Now for those posters that bash local Pakistanis and call them uneducated, you need to understand the votting patterns.

In Sindh, PPP will win. That is because PMLN does not contest in Sindh. For pmln, all they have to do is invest all the money on Punjab and just grab all the seast from there and that is enough to become PM. Another issue is that sindh's hate MQM, they dont trust them. They think if they elect MQM they will only take revenge. PTI candidate is non existent in Sindh.

PPP gets its vote on the Bhutto ideology, as they expected and wanted that socialist economy. Zardari was a jerk, but he had to deal with USA in 2008 aswell. Zardari's issue is that while he is a cunning politician, he has a habit of taking cut backs, thus the Mr. 10% name.

Interestingly, he isnt a bad politician or a bewakoof. His biggest contribution was the 18th amendment, it gave the province independence, removed his own powers as President and bought in parliamentary system and took counter measure to deal with inflation.

His voter is basically the one that want Foreing policy or economic reforms.

PMLN voter are businessman who only care about making money and doing business. They get alot of benefit from PMLN due to subsidies and different policies for different industries. This does not make their vote bank bad as obviously as a business man you want to make profits.

Thus, for obvious reasons the local vote bank and overseas vote bank would be different. You guys will vote keeping in mind your position as overseas. For you, how the PM of your country talks in foreign tours and what policy he brings in benefit to overseas will matter.

For the locals, its the policies that directly effect them. They will always look at economic policies in terms of inflation etc. Overseas will look at in terms of Balance of Payment.

Anyways, parliamentary politics means you have to tolerate each other, and it seems Pakistanis are not able to tolerate each other in parliamentary politics. No party can work alone and whoever comes in power they will have to work with opposition no matter what. This is what lead to Imran losing his seat as he couldn't tolerate the opposition leader, and the same thing is resonating in fans.

The protest that happened in Pakistan today, it was pure democracy. This is what democracy is.

But plz be able to tolerate others. Even when praising others I see the opposing party cant help but throw in one or two insults.

Post of the week for me. Well written and an excellent piece Major bro.

 

[daytrader]

People are blaming overseas Pakistanis for their ill intentions but support the supreme leader sitting in London. #bikarilogic

 

[Technics 1210]

As expected Athiests and haters of IK are desperately trying to invoke Islam in this thread. Bankrupt thought process for these lot.

Back to OP, overseas Pakistanis love IK for the sheer fact he is a straight up geezer with integrity and has helped improve the international perception of Pakistan which is more than I can say for the indigenous corrupt supporting Pakistanis.

 

[uberkoen]

As expected Athiests and haters of IK are desperately trying to invoke Islam in this thread. Bankrupt thought process for these lot.

Back to OP, overseas Pakistanis love IK for the sheer fact he is a straight up geezer with integrity and has helped improve the international perception of Pakistan which is more than I can say for the indigenous corrupt supporting Pakistanis.

Helped improve the international perception of Pakistan? LOL have you been sleeping the past few months?

 

[Technics 1210]

Helped improve the international perception of Pakistan? LOL have you been sleeping the past few months?

I read The Times, The Daily Telegraph, The Financial Times (all paid subscriptions) and the public comments in articles on Pakistan support my statement. Public comments are a reflection of what the public is thinking in the West, and they side with IK for the past few years, not just the past few months.

Perhaps you should switch to quality publications from dungar TV.

 

[princeuk]

For example i live in the UK and the govt does a lot for its people here (Well with the tories in power thats debatable) but generally we have a good system in western countries, overseas pakistanis see the atrocities that happen in pakistan and know that none of this should be happening and need someone honest who can put a stop to the corruption, in pakistan its seen as the norm as its the only environment they have been brought up in. If things run smoothly they wont know how to react.

 

[Itachi]

For example i live in the UK and the govt does a lot for its people here (Well with the tories in power thats debatable) but generally we have a good system in western countries, overseas pakistanis see the atrocities that happen in pakistan and know that none of this should be happening and need someone honest who can put a stop to the corruption, in pakistan its seen as the norm as its the only environment they have been brought up in. If things run smoothly they wont know how to react.

In short, native Pakistanis are ignorant and don't know what is good for them. Isn't it so?

 

[princeuk]

In short, native Pakistanis are ignorant and don't know what is good for them. Isn't it so?

The large section of uneducated pakistanis dont, sorry.

 

[Itachi]

The large section of uneducated pakistanis dont, sorry.

May be those large educated section face different problems than the ones sitting in UK? (and hence different priorities)

 

[Energy]

In short, native Pakistanis are ignorant and don't know what is good for them. Isn't it so?

This is the high horse they're watching locals with.

The love for Imran Khan is so deep that the 'review of his tenure' thread is struggling to get 10 responses.

Also, I'll request the Pakistanis in the west to please send your kids to study the schooling system proposed by the beloved, and give your child the best education. Why hide away from it?

 

[uberkoen]

This is the high horse they're watching locals with.

The love for Imran Khan is so deep that the 'review of his tenure' thread is struggling to get 10 responses.

Also, I'll request the Pakistanis in the west to please send your kids to study the schooling system proposed by the beloved, and give your child the best education. Why hide away from it?

Single National Curriculum too. What a brilliant idea!

 

[MenInG]

Downing Street has slapped down Foreign Office minister Lord Goldsmith after he muscled in over the ousting of Imran Khan as Pakistan's prime minister.

Pakistan's parliament met today to elect a new prime minister after Mr Khan - the country's former cricket captain - was removed from office via a no confidence vote.

Following the dramatic events in Islamabad, Lord Goldsmith - whose elder sister Jemima was once married to Mr Khan - said he was 'sad' at the developments in Pakistan.

'Imran Khan is a good and decent man, one of the least corruptible politicians on the world stage,' the Conservative peer posted on Twitter.

'I have no doubt he will be returned with a big majority in the upcoming elections.'

However, asked about Lord Goldsmith's comments, Number 10 stressed his remarks did not represent the government's position.

The Prime Minister's deputy spokesperson said the UK would not get involved in Pakistan's domestic affairs, adding: 'We respect Pakistan's political system.'

Lord Goldsmith said he was 'sad' at the developments in Pakistan, which have seen Imran Khan ousted as the country's prime minister after less than four years in office

Lord Goldsmith works in the Foreign Office as Minister for the Pacific and the International Environment.

He was able to keep his government role when Boris Johnson handed him a life peerage in December 2019.

His appointment to the House of Lords came just days after Lord Goldsmith was kicked out as an MP by losing his Richmond Park constituency to the Liberal Democrats.

His elder sister, Jemima Goldsmith, 48, is a former journalist who wed Mr Khan, 69, in 1995, when she was aged 21.

The couple had two sons and were dubbed Pakistan's very own version of 'Posh and Becks'.

But they divorced in 2004 as a 'mutual decision' after she struggled to settle in Pakistan.

Mr Khan, an Oxford graduate, was a national hero in Pakistan after the country's 1992 World Cup win.

He became Pakistan's prime minister in August 2018 but has now been ejected from office less than four years later.

It follows claims of a falling out with Pakistan's powerful military leaders.

Mr Khan was ousted on Sunday after losing a no confidence vote which saw him pushed out with 174 votes - two more than the number required.

He rallied hundreds of thousands of supporters to protest his ousting and described the next administration as an 'imposed government'.

His supporters marched in many cities across Pakistan.

The 69-year-old is a former Pakistan cricket captain who became a national hero after his country's 1992 World Cup victory

Shahbaz Sharif, the brother of disgraced former prime minister Nawaz Sharif, was today elected as Mr Khan's successor by Pakistan's parliament.

The Goldsmith family are close to the Johnson family.

In October last year, the PM enjoyed a free stay at the holiday home of Lord Goldsmith's family in southern Spain.

A week-long stay at the villa was reported to usually cost as much as £25,000.

Mr Johnson's wife, Carrie Johnson, is also a close friend of Lord Goldsmith, who she worked for in her first job in politics.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...s-support-Pakistans-ousted-PM-Imran-Khan.html

 

[MenInG]

Wonder who those thousands are on the streets of Pakistan - must be overseas Pakistanis teleporting themselves to Pakistan in the middle of the night,.

 

[uberkoen]

Wonder who those thousands are on the streets of Pakistan - must be overseas Pakistanis teleporting themselves to Pakistan in the middle of the night,.

The same people who came out in 2018 which amounted to 32% votes primarily due to electables.

 

[Gharib Aadmi]

It is the Workers’ remittances from the Middle East that are the single largest source of foreign currency for Pakistan ahead of exports. It is people who will have to come back to Pakistan one day not just arm chair experts like yourself. These people will continue sending money back home to family regardless of who is in power.

These people who have to come back to Pakistan deserve the right to vote. IK granted it to them, however the imported govt wants to take it away. We all know why.

 

[uberkoen]

These people who have to come back to Pakistan deserve the right to vote. IK granted it to them, however the imported govt wants to take it away. We all know why.

Conjecture.

First of all, Nadra itself admitted that it would not be possible to have overseas Pakistani's participate in the upcoming elections. Secondly, no one from the new government has said that they want to take away the right of overseas Pakistani's from voting. That's your own thinking and like so many others that have been levelled here: just a baseless accusation

 

[Local.Dada]

Wonder who those thousands are on the streets of Pakistan - must be overseas Pakistanis teleporting themselves to Pakistan in the middle of the night,.

In India and Pakistan or in the sc actually there are a lot of people with a lot of free time. I am not saying all these people don’t actually believe in the cause but that always doesn’t translate to votes and revolution. It’s very easy to gather a big crowd for a procession.

Not downplaying this at all. Let’s see if crowds can bring a tangible change.

 

[AfridiRagingBull]

I think in general a leader is representative of the state of your country. In IK you had a bit of an all rounder with his speeches, honesty, self respect, and charisma. It’s what every politician should aspire to be.

These other guys have none of the above and represent the Pakistan of looting, grandstanding, dynasties/feudalism which people have become accustomed to. This unfortunately is the perception of many overseas who don’t witness this abroad. It’s easy to see why IK is so popular overseas as he is more of an international politician who talks about Kashmiris and Palestinians.

In short Pakistan is slowly coming towards a crossroads and the political situation now represents this dual society. Imran Khan is not the messiah but could be the instigator for the new generation.

People like Mamoon are wrong. It’s precisely because of the old systems that overseas Pakistanis don’t want anything to do with Pakistan, but you can’t expect people to uproot decades of struggle abroad and run back in a few short years with a minority government in charge. As long as the role of the Army is unravelled we should all see it as a win. The people have been awakened (it seems) with Imran not with any of the others.

 

[MenInG]

In India and Pakistan or in the sc actually there are a lot of people with a lot of free time. I am not saying all these people don’t actually believe in the cause but that always doesn’t translate to votes and revolution. It’s very easy to gather a big crowd for a procession.

Not downplaying this at all. Let’s see if crowds can bring a tangible change.

Its Ramadan - people generally spend time with families, rest etc after fasting.

Takes a lot to make them come out on the streets.

My aunt who is late 70s went out last night in Islamabad to protest. This is what IK means for people.

 

[IMMY69]

As an overseas Pakistani, Why do I support IK?

As an expat, Foreign Pakistani, I fall within the typical stereotype an am well entrenched in the IK camp.
Even if he has made some political or diplomatic blunders we must remember that he inherited a bankrupt country and within two years of becoming PM was faced with a global pandemic.

However, he was leader for only 4 years. Whereas those that are now back in power plundered the wealth of country for over two decades. They suppressed the poor so the poor can be easily bribed to vote for them, they did nothing to enhance the infrastructure of the country and the list of crimes is long and exhaustive .

If these dynastic parties, with some high ranking members not having done a days work all their lives, are afforded so many chances then yes I remain staunchly with IK.

Yes I no longer live there but I have family and friends who still do. A big part of my heart still belongs to Pakistan. This is not something I chose, but it is what it is.

It's this love that wants to see Pakistan become even 25pct of the country I am fortunate enough to live in. A strong social system which takes care of its people, a system that raises people from poverty rather then suppresses it.. a sense that the law protects everyone, rich or poor and that to get something done you don't have to bribe them.

IK is not a messiah but he offered so much more the the contunuous cycle of robbery and suppression.

Yes he made mistakes and yes he too has to change. He is not the final solution but he was the beginning of something better. But the road was never going to be an easy one.

It is not for the love of IK but for the love of the country and its people

 

[Champ_Pal]

Hero worship plays a major part. For people who are desperately looking for heroes to be proud of, Imran fills that void.

 

[bones]

The cowards will make sure that us overseas Pakistanis cannot vote, they know we are overwhelmingly in favour of PTI because we know about those PDM crooks.

 

[Savak]

Lol, I hope overseas Pakistanis respond to these efforts by PDM to block overseas voting by flying to Pakistan in large numbers to vote in the elections

 

[basitmian]

As an OP, some points by Mamoon and Major are correct.
I may never fully come back to Pakistan and our loyalties are indeed divided.

But from inside we are Pakistanis, we follow sports, politics, and all Pakistanis events while being outside. We are in this forum wasting time for a reason.

We miss our homeland but we are out of the country to earn a better living and lifestyle. We try to support Pakistan whenever and where ever.

Coming to IK, majority of OPs are not blind supporters of PTI. But we are tired of seeing the nepotism and corruption of PPP, PML, MQM for last decades. PTI has not done good governance last 4 years but they present an honest option. What we see is the rule of law being applied in the all developed countries. For us, rule of law comes first then good governance second because that is the only way to grow as a nation.

I spend many weeks in Karachi every year, and seeing what PPP and MQM have done to Karachi breaks my heart every time. Army and Rangers run around like Gangsters throughout the City. Majority of Police in Karachi are non-karachi'ite. A normal person can not join Army or Police. You need to know punjabi to join Army and Sindhi for police. There are electrical outages, no water, no sewerage, no cleanliness, no rule of law in the majority of the city.
The whole system is not fair for a normal citizen. But the talent and hard work we see in the local population is amazing, we see what is possible and what could be, if normal people are allowed to grow and we want it for the country. There can never be progressive growth until there is rule of law and fairness, and corruption is finished.

On that note, having a PM who is out of bail, what does that tell every crook and criminal in the country?

 

[Itachi]

Lol, I hope overseas Pakistanis respond to these efforts by PDM to block overseas voting by flying to Pakistan in large numbers to vote in the elections

It depends upon Pakistani govt. Overseas Pakistanis have no authority to demand.

 

[amax]

Imran khan has largest popular vote bank based on support of local pakistanis not overseas, its funny argument to bring overseas , Imran khan has most across provincial support in country after Bhutto , its even accepted by his worst critics.

Overseas Pakistanis in developed countries take interest in Pakistan because they want Pakistan to be like developed countries as simple as that.

 

[bones]

I just texted my brother in law in Pakistan in a PML constituency that will never change. I showed him the video of the protests outside Nawaz Sharifs house and his response was these are uneducated idiots fed by propaganda.

I can’t be bothered debating with him.

 

[uberkoen]

I just texted my brother in law in Pakistan in a PML constituency that will never change. I showed him the video of the protests outside Nawaz Sharifs house and his response was these are uneducated idiots fed by propaganda.

I can’t be bothered debating with him.

He's right though.

 

[uberkoen]

Imran khan has largest popular vote bank based on support of local pakistanis not overseas, its funny argument to bring overseas , Imran khan has most across provincial support in country after Bhutto , its even accepted by his worst critics.

Overseas Pakistanis in developed countries take interest in Pakistan because they want Pakistan to be like developed countries as simple as that.

lol. Is that why he needed electables to win 32% of the votes?

Also, you need to understand how elections in Pakistan work. It's not about the number of votes. TLP was the 5th largest political party in Pakistan as per votes (4.21%) casted in 2018 but they failed to secure even a single seat in the parliament. On the other hand, JWP only got 0.04% of the votes and still managed to secure 1 seat.

 

[MenInG]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I want to thank the people of Pakistan, especially our Overseas Pakistanis, for donating so generously last night. In the three hours of our Telethon we had pledges of Rs. 5 billion.</p>— Imran Khan (@ImranKhanPTI) <a href="https://twitter.com/ImranKhanPTI/status/1564508667231502336?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 30, 2022</a></blockquote>
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[Colorblind Genius]

The number 1 reason overseas Pakistanis support IK is that no amount of money can buy him.

Almost every other politician and many politicians within PTI itself have a price. You pay them enough and they will open their legs to the highest bidder. Can't do that with IK.

 

[sweep_shot]

As an outsider, I am a big fan of Imran Khan.

I think he is the only Pakistan politician I can cheer for.

 

[Stewie]

I find it really hilarious that its seeing as much participation from Indians as it does from Pakistanis, Indians who want to shove their opinion down our throat that the opinion of overseas Pakistanis does not matter.

After recent events, let me state and perhaps clarify a few things, which should be obvious by now:

1. Imran Khan does not just enjoy humongous support amongst overseas Pakistanis, he has the backing of the majority of PAKISTAN now after the whole imported government fiasco.
2. The reasons should be clear, it is now proven that the establishment that has run the country into the ground over the last 40 plus years is on one side and Imran is on the other. They are all united against him, and it doesnt and should not take a genius to figure out why. It also should not require Aristotlean intellect to figure out who is good for the country: Imran or those who oppose him.
3. Like stated here so many times, the overseas Pakistanis do not come with the baggage of a lot of resident Pakistanis whose livelihoods depend on their political affiliations or their political affiliations are based on tribal and not patriotic sensitivities. So naturally, Imran will have more support by weight overseas.
4. Unlike some other countries, Pakistan does offer dual citizenship so the voice, opinion, and say of overseas Pakistanis do matter a lot, especially when it comes to the matter of foreign remittances.


After all is said and done, I know RW Hindus love to hate IK but if they want a fix in the subcontinent where the army establishment in Pakistan is not ruling the roost, and have peace on both sides of the border with good relations then quite frankly IK is a win win for both sides. Because whoever comes into power in Pakistan, does so with the blessing of the army establishment, and the army establishment always wants something cooking against India, so there will never be peace as long as they are allowed to put their puppets in the government.
IK has shown he wants to nullify their control and power and be his own man. He has also stated he wants peace with India. So the Hindu posters here should really reconsider their stance on Imran Khan.

 

[Local.Dada]

Pakistanis especially the overseas usually have a type:

Someone who is good looking, speaks English, someone with some level of accomplishment and someone who probably made a bravado statement against India.

I think Imran fits the type like a glove and I don’t think in terms of all above criteria anyone even comes close. He tops the list. Afridi doesn’t have the same level of cricket credentials or can’t speak English or Miandad who has his own set of flaws. No one knows too many other Pakistan celebrities outside of Pakistan.

Imran ticks all those boxes. I mean is there anyone close to Imran who fits that type.

If no one fits the type then the next step is usually celebrating foreign Muslim achievers who have nothing to do with Pakistan like celebrating Mo Farrah’s medals, Cat Stevens billboard hits after conversion or Md.Ali’s wins in boxing.

I think the average Pakistani doesn’t care about these things because they have the same crap to deal with like rest of the people in subcontinent.

This is my observation.

In india stories of success and rags to riches or fame kind of stories are celebrated.

For example: Sachin’s middle class background or Modi’s story coming from the absolute lowest common denominator to be the PM, MSD coming from a middle class family from a small state like Jarkhand or even our film superstars. The ones who come from humbler backgrounds are more relatable to the common man get more attention be it SRK, Rajnikant etc.

I don’t think this has anything to do with political ideology, party manifesto etc etc.

As an outsider observer it doesn’t change no matter who is in power in Pakistan obviously. It’s clear as daylight to the rest of us.

I think unless there is something really sinister going on, I don’t see why the people running the show have a problem with putting Imran back in power. At least that should keep the public happy. It’s not like he will do anything different than falling in line.

 

[Stewie]

Pakistanis especially the overseas usually have a type:

Someone who is good looking, speaks English, someone with some level of accomplishment and someone who probably made a bravado statement against India.

I think Imran fits the type like a glove and I don’t think in terms of all above criteria anyone even comes close. He tops the list. Afridi doesn’t have the same level of cricket credentials or can’t speak English or Miandad who has his own set of flaws. No one knows too many other Pakistan celebrities outside of Pakistan.

Imran ticks all those boxes. I mean is there anyone close to Imran who fits that type.

If no one fits the type then the next step is usually celebrating foreign Muslim achievers who have nothing to do with Pakistan like celebrating Mo Farrah’s medals, Cat Stevens billboard hits after conversion or Md.Ali’s wins in boxing.

I think the average Pakistani doesn’t care about these things because they have the same crap to deal with like rest of the people in subcontinent.

This is my observation.

In india stories of success and rags to riches or fame kind of stories are celebrated.

For example: Sachin’s middle class background or Modi’s story coming from the absolute lowest common denominator to be the PM, MSD coming from a middle class family from a small state like Jarkhand or even our film superstars. The ones who come from humbler backgrounds are more relatable to the common man get more attention be it SRK, Rajnikant etc.

I don’t think this has anything to do with political ideology, party manifesto etc etc.

As an outsider observer it doesn’t change no matter who is in power in Pakistan obviously. It’s clear as daylight to the rest of us.

I think unless there is something really sinister going on, I don’t see why the people running the show have a problem with putting Imran back in power. At least that should keep the public happy. It’s not like he will do anything different than falling in line.

Grossly ill informed generalization. Indians might be hung up over Pakistan so much they love to vote in politicians who are anti Pakistan but its not the case on the other side of the border. Our politicians do not need to start wars with INDIA to win votes as is so often seen on the eastern side of the border. It is typically our out of control army that does that. Most politicians we have had over the years that includes people who have been elected 3 times each, have had very peaceful policies with India. So you think they won elections because they were war mongerers? Seriously?

Imran has always wanted peace. He never said anything anti Indian. He has been anti Modi. Let us not confuse the two.

 

[PakLFC]

He's one of the very few Pakistanis that those born overseas can relate too. Good looking man, well educated who speaks good English, former playboy not that I personally consider this as a quality and above all a former world class cricketer. The only Sport we are any good at. It is not as if we have any film stars or well educated Cricketers even sports people for the youngsters too look up as role models . IK has that position in Pak that most of our people will always agree with him on everything. Even if he is wrong he is still right!

 

[SpiritOf1903]

A worldly, presentable man. Almost a textbook president.

 

[NishanKonar]

Its the same reason many Americans support Trump or many Indians vote for Modi. They are seen as outsiders in apolitical system which many believe is full of entrenched crooks and corrupt incumbents

Trump promised to "drain the swamp" - which appealed to many Americans who were angry at the trillion dollar bailouts for bankers when they were losing their jobs and homes. Modi promised corruption free govt at a time when Congress govt was rocked with so many scandals

Its the same with Imran. He does not belong to the club of powerful elites which have dominated Pakistan for a long time. That narrative has strong appeal among the masses - given they don't have access to the elites

Again Trump did nothing to drain the swamp, Modi govt is as corrupt as the COngress ( As Adani will agree ) and Imran has bulldozed his country's economy in 4 years. But their fans don't care. For them the narrative and " promises " matter more. Everyone likes to live in hope than accept the harsh ground realities !

 

[Major]

There is one word for it, its called populism. Its a very dangerous strategy as countries end up giving power to a lunatic that can dragged the whole economy down.

In populism, even the corruption of the leader is consider to be alright or his bad policies aswell.

We pakistanis are paying expensive bills due to his bad policies of removing FPA for two months, we are paying them during the time when inflatiom has also increased and purchasing power is further decreased. We almost bottled imf deal because of pti.

Another aspect is that, imran is seen as a hero for people who want relgious rue back home, but dont apply the same religious standards for themselves.

Alot of our foreign resident ppers who dictate that people should follow yhe islamic life style back home are the same that go out clubbing, having sex out of wedlock, try drugs and go clubbing. And when you ask them isnt it against that principles they preach, the reply is thats how life is....

Imran was no different, thus, people see him as there hero.

Another commonality is they also look up to andrew tate who lives a life which is totally against islamic principles but because he praised islam he is taken as role model by them.

Thus, you see why imran is supported. Its as if the misfits have their own leader

 

[Colorblind Genius]

There is one word for it, its called populism. Its a very dangerous strategy as countries end up giving power to a lunatic that can dragged the whole economy down.

In populism, even the corruption of the leader is consider to be alright or his bad policies aswell.

We pakistanis are paying expensive bills due to his bad policies of removing FPA for two months, we are paying them during the time when inflatiom has also increased and purchasing power is further decreased. We almost bottled imf deal because of pti.

Another aspect is that, imran is seen as a hero for people who want relgious rue back home, but dont apply the same religious standards for themselves.

Alot of our foreign resident ppers who dictate that people should follow yhe islamic life style back home are the same that go out clubbing, having sex out of wedlock, try drugs and go clubbing. And when you ask them isnt it against that principles they preach, the reply is thats how life is....

Imran was no different, thus, people see him as there hero.

Another commonality is they also look up to andrew tate who lives a life which is totally against islamic principles but because he praised islam he is taken as role model by them.

Thus, you see why imran is supported. Its as if the misfits have their own leader

Good for you and all the best with PDM and Billo in Power. Stay in Pakistan and enjoy.
And don't sweat your blood over IK. You guys are having the ride of your life with more dollars pouring from IMF. Enjoy till it lasts.

 

[Local.Dada]

. So you think they won elections because they were war mongerers? Seriously?
.

So overseas Pakistanis can vote? I was not talking about that common man in Pakistan. This thread says why IK is loved my overseas Pakistanis and I was just giving my observation.

 

[Stewie]

So overseas Pakistanis can vote? I was not talking about that common man in Pakistan. This thread says why IK is loved my overseas Pakistanis and I was just giving my observation.

Technically they can but they have to come to Pakistan. to cast their vote during elections. They have to be registered voters and citizens like those living in Pakistan. Pakistan allows for dual nationality unlike India.

 

[Stewie]

Its the same reason many Americans support Trump or many Indians vote for Modi. They are seen as outsiders in apolitical system which many believe is full of entrenched crooks and corrupt incumbents

Trump promised to "drain the swamp" - which appealed to many Americans who were angry at the trillion dollar bailouts for bankers when they were losing their jobs and homes. Modi promised corruption free govt at a time when Congress govt was rocked with so many scandals

Its the same with Imran. He does not belong to the club of powerful elites which have dominated Pakistan for a long time. That narrative has strong appeal among the masses - given they don't have access to the elites

Again Trump did nothing to drain the swamp, Modi govt is as corrupt as the COngress ( As Adani will agree ) and Imran has bulldozed his country's economy in 4 years. But their fans don't care. For them the narrative and " promises " matter more. Everyone likes to live in hope than accept the harsh ground realities !

Imran actually did not bulldoze the economy in his less than 4 years. Where are you getting this information?

If you look at the economic survey released by not him but the current government, by all metrics and stats the Pakistani economy was thriving under him. It was the pandemic induced inflation that for some reason the etsblishment blamed on him and took him out for but inflation is a world wide phenomenon and not unique to pakistan.

Perhaps you can share any evidence that supports Imran Khan govt destroyed the pakistan economy.

https://theprint.in/go-to-pakistan/...-makes-pakistanis-question-his-ouster/991614/

 

[Hextro]

Imran has bulldozed his country's economy in 4 years. But their fans don't care. For them the narrative and " promises " matter more. Everyone likes to live in hope than accept the harsh ground realities !

You guys should seriously stick to talking about how you think Modi and Imran are the same and not about the economy or other internal Pakistani politics. More often than not you guys come across as ignorant when you talk about these things.

We've lived through over 40 years of PPP and PMLN rule so I think we have a better idea of how these parties handle the economy than you guys. PTI's policies were growth-oriented, as seen by analyzing the growth figures of various Pakistani industries during PTI's rule. One can also look at how professionally PTI's government handled the Covid crisis. They minimized deaths while maintaining the economy. Most other countries shut down entire industries during that crisis because there were too many covid related deaths occurring.

Pakistan was ranked 3rd last year in the Economist's Global Normalcy Index behind New Zealand and Hong Kong.

 

[Varun]

Pakistan was ranked 3rd last year in the Economist's Global Normalcy Index behind New Zealand and Hong Kong.

Hong Kong and Pakistan are normal? That is stretching it.

 

[Hextro]

Hong Kong and Pakistan are normal? That is stretching it.

I'm guessing you were living in Hong Kong and Pakistan during covid right?

 

[Varun]

I'm guessing you were living in Hong Kong and Pakistan during covid right?

Forget that - as an overseas Pakistani and a dual passport holder, how many days out of 1332 were you in Imran Khan's Pakistan? How many of those days were you loving life under Boris Johnson/Donald Trump? Exactly.

 

[Hextro]

Forget that - as an overseas Pakistani and a dual passport holder, how many days out of 1332 were you in Imran Khan's Pakistan? How many of those days were you loving life under Boris Johnson/Donald Trump? Exactly.

The good ol' Indian that gets offended because Pakistanis support PTI. I lived in Pakistan for many months during PTI's rule but I didn't live in Pakistan during covid which is why I shared an independent report on the matter and not my personal. If you have a problem with how the Covid Normalcy Index is calculated you should argue with the people at the Economist. Tell them that you as an Indian have a problem with their research because you can't comprehend that Pakistan handled covid well.

Lastly, this might be a shock to you but I don't live in the UK or the US. Keep trying to guess my location. You clearly know more about where I live than even myself.

 

[Stewie]

Well, it seems like Indians here are not letting up and want to continue to try convince Pakistanis that Imran Khan is not good for our country. LOL

Do they really think they have a chance of being successful in all honesty?

 

[Colorblind Genius]

Well, it seems like Indians here are not letting up and want to continue to try convince Pakistanis that Imran Khan is not good for our country. LOL

Do they really think they have a chance of being successful in all honesty?

They are simply exposing their heinous nature, and ill wishes for Pak.

 

[Sidilicious]

Well, it seems like Indians here are not letting up and want to continue to try convince Pakistanis that Imran Khan is not good for our country. LOL

Do they really think they have a chance of being successful in all honesty?

It’s your choice (if you live in Pakistan, as per Pakistani law) to choose whoever you want. But don’t get so defensive when we point out that Modi and Imran are two sides of the same coin.

 

[daytrader]

Imran opposes move to ban expats from joining parties

ISLAMABAD: Pakistan Tehreek-i-Insaf (PTI) Chair*man Imran Khan on Thurs*day opposed the Election Commission of Pakistan’s (ECP) proposed amendment to a law that will bar dual nationals from joining a political party.

Rejecting what he called a “PTI-specific draft amen*d*ment,” Mr Khan said overseas Pakistanis are as loyal to the country as other Pakistanis.

Meeting a select group of reporters here Khyber Pakhtunkhwa House, Mr Khan said his party will also consider challenging the changes in a court of law.

Under the proposed ame*n*d*ment to Rule 157(2) of Election Rules, the party head will be bound to provide a certificate that the list of two thousand members, provided with registration documents, does not include any individual who was a dual national, resident of Azad Jammu and Kashmir and Gilgit-Baltistan or involved in any financial irregularity and anti-state activities.

Flanked by party leaders Asad Umar, Fawad Chaud*hry and Shibli Faraz, Mr Khan predicted that the country’s politics will “change massively” following the upcoming general elections, which he said his party will sweep despite political engineering.

Sindh will witness the biggest revolution as a PPP victory was impossible this time around, he said.

He claimed that the public support for PTI was so huge that manipulation of election results would not be possible.

“To rig the forthcoming elections, one would need political engineering of such a degree that the system would collapse as it would not be able to sustain it.”

Reiterating his allegations against Chief Election Commissioner Sikandar Sultan Raja, Mr Khan said his party was ready to take part in elections held under the present election commission, but said Mr Raja had no moral ground to hold the office after the audio leaks from the Prime Minister’s House.

He said in one of the clips, the CEC could be heard taking instructions from PML-N supremo Nawaz Sharif.

“The CEC [Mr Raja] undertook an exercise for delimitation of constituencies in consultation with PML-N,” Mr Khan claimed.

Asked what was his expectation with regard to various cases against him pending with the ECP, he said he was sure the decision would be against him as the ECP chief “was being used as a tool.”

He also censured the ECP for not hearing foreign funding cases against PTI, PML-N and PPP together.

Talking about his plans to march on Islamabad, Mr Khan said it will be “the largest-ever gathering in the country’s political history”.

Referring to the possibility of government’s action to stop the march, he said the centre’s plan to stop marchers was known to all but his plan to counter the move was known to only a few.

He also defended his actions to purchase gifts from Toshakhana, saying that whatever he did was strictly within the ambit of the law and demanded open hearing of the case against him.

He, however, claimed that former president Asif Zardari bought three luxury vehicles while former premier Nawaz Sharif took home a luxury Mercedes car from Toshakhana, which he claimed was a “flagrant violation of the rules” as the two leaders paid a negligible amount.

Replying to another question, Mr Khan said the process to appoint the CEC, National Accountability Bureau chairman and caretaker government was flawed and needed to be replaced with a merit-based mechanism.

Meanwhile, the ECP has reacted strongly to the allegations levelled by Mr Khan and called them “baseless and a pack of lies”.

In a statement, ECP’s spokesperson Haroon Shinwari “outrightly” rejected the allegations against the commission and the CEC.

DAWN

 

[MenInG]

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