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We all know Kashmiris want independence and dont want to be part of India. Why not India just recognize this truth and give independence to Kashmir? India does not depend on Kashmir for anything so whats the logic of forcefully keeping Kashmiris? I simply dont get it.
 
Arcturus said:
Why Pakistan does not give Kashmiris/Balochis independence?
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Because Balochistan is not a disputed region and majority do not want independence. My ancestors were balochi so I know well. And Kashmiris are more pro Pakistani then any other Pakistanis. Hope that answers your question and propaganda.
 
Geo political and Hindu religious sites , plus don't think any country gives away land? Do you think China or even Philippines will give away land next to their country which is part of thier country?
 
srh said:
We all know Kashmiris want independence and dont want to be part of India. Why not India just recognize this truth and give independence to Kashmir? India does not depend on Kashmir for anything so whats the logic of forcefully keeping Kashmiris? I simply dont get it.
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First of all, that's a pretty big assumption.

And what kind of a country gives away a part of it? If my neighbors and I get together and decide that we don't want our street to be a part of the US, would they let us do that?
 
King-Misbah said:
Because Balochistan is not a disputed region and majority do not want independence. My ancestors were balochi so I know well. And Kashmiris are more pro Pakistani then any other Pakistanis. Hope that answers your question and propaganda.
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You saying so doesn't make something a fact.
 
King-Misbah said:
I have baloch blood; what do you have?
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You being born there doesn't make you their spokesperson nor does it mean that you know everything there is to know about them.

But I was talking about the "And Kashmiris are more pro Pakistani then any other Pakistanis" part.
 
Independence from both will avoid a loss of face for both and peace. If a referendum was held in Ind held Kashmir then a majority would want Independence from both, if one was held in AJK then 80% would vote to stay with PK, but for the sake of peace it needs to be held in both.
 
the question should be why Kashmir isn't set free during partition? you know the answer and who's responsible for this..
 
Sachin136 said:
You being born there doesn't make you their spokesperson nor does it mean that you know everything there is to know about them.

But I was talking about the "And Kashmiris are more pro Pakistani then any other Pakistanis" part.
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Are you pretending to be slow or you actually are slow?
 
Bewal Express said:
Independence from both will avoid a loss of face for both and peace. If a referendum was held in Ind held Kashmir then a majority would want Independence from both, if one was held in AJK then 80% would vote to stay with PK, but for the sake of peace it needs to be held in both.
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Still won't solve the problem.

Kashmir nation surrounded by 3 nuclear states can't defend itself.

If anyone of them wants to capture it for strategic advantage, they can. Hence no country will ever trust one another.

I commend your sense of fairness but sadly in today's situation, its not practical.

What's practical is Pakistan keeps its part of Kashmir and India theirs.
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
Still won't solve the problem.

Kashmir nation surrounded by 3 nuclear states can't defend itself.

If anyone of them wants to capture it for strategic advantage, they can. Hence no country will ever trust one another.

I commend your sense of fairness but sadly in today's situation, its not practical.

What's practical is Pakistan keeps its part of Kashmir and India theirs.
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The battle for Kashmir is not strategic- it's a battle of egos. Independence can be easily guaranteed by the 3 countries.
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
Still won't solve the problem.

Kashmir nation surrounded by 3 nuclear states can't defend itself.

If anyone of them wants to capture it for strategic advantage, they can. Hence no country will ever trust one another.

I commend your sense of fairness but sadly in today's situation, its not practical.

What's practical is Pakistan keeps its part of Kashmir and India theirs.
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Kashmir is not theirs but Kashmiris. If Pakistan is willing to give away Kashmir under a referendum then why not India? Let the Kashmiris decide their own future and lets be mature to end this bloodshed.
 
Countries don't voluntarily surrender territory especially if it's strategically important.

The only peace plan that could pass is for maximum political autonomy or some form of special consitutional status.
 
Arcturus said:
Why Pakistan does not give Kashmiris/Balochis independence?
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Why don't you give independence to all the separatist movements in your country seeing you have bought Baluchistan in the debate. Give freedom to the Sikhs, Naxal, Seven sister region and the rest.Baluchistan is a settled area of Pak. We are not blinding or raping them like you are the Kashmiris.
 
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I get the sense India will soon open concentration camps for Kashmiris. If China can do it and get away with it then these guys can aswell.
 
sjahmed23 said:
I get the sense India will soon open concentration camps for Kashmiris. If China can do it and get away with it then these guys can aswell.
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Naw , probably settle in mainland population and give em jobs and housing.
 
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Ridiculous.

Which country would give independence to a state it believes to be an integral part of India?

The question is carelessly worded and it deserves the scorn and ridicule it is getting.
 
a_tahir said:
It is a fact.
Majority of Balochis don't want independance
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Hold a referendum there like you wish to see in Kashmir, and you will be surprised.

I refer back to Asma Jahangir, the respected human rights commissioner of Pakistan who said Baloch nationalism is in the hearts and minds of every Baloch. She also said that the demography there has been drastically changed by the military to counter this sentiment, importing people from different regions.
 
First of all a country’s will not give up it’s land just because fanatics from a certain religion want. Secondly if India gives Kashmir to the fanatics, they will turn it into a terrorist haven like Afghanistan. India do not want to deal with another terroorist Haven in its neighborhood.
 
Thomaskutty said:
Hold a referendum there like you wish to see in Kashmir, and you will be surprised.

I refer back to Asma Jahangir, the respected human rights commissioner of Pakistan who said Baloch nationalism is in the hearts and minds of every Baloch. She also said that the demography there has been drastically changed by the military to counter this sentiment, importing people from different regions.
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It is India's wet dream that Baluchistan wants separation but the reality is very different. You can chose to remain ignorant, wouldn't be a first for an Indian.
 
It's a strategic treacherous terrain that acts as a natural border and also rich in natural resources including WATER. When a country like India which has many states starts ceding, every state will want to be an independent country. I know Punjab at one point wanted it, some states in North East and south wanted to be independent too. So it's not possible.
 
Birdman said:
First of all a country’s will not give up it’s land just because fanatics from a certain religion want. Secondly if India gives Kashmir to the fanatics, they will turn it into a terrorist haven like Afghanistan. India do not want to deal with another terroorist Haven in its neighborhood.
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Why are you guys always bringing religion into this? Kashmiris want a Kashmiri nation state, they don't want to be part of India for ethnic and cultural reasons the way Kurds don't want to be part of Iraq or Catalans don't want to be part of Spain. Whatever happens in Kashmir post-Indian pull out is none of their business just like it isn't India's business of what happens in Bangladesh or Nepal.
 
rhony said:
It's a strategic treacherous terrain that acts as a natural border and also rich in natural resources including WATER. When a country like India which has many states starts ceding, every state will want to be an independent country. I know Punjab at one point wanted it, some states in North East and south wanted to be independent too. So it's not possible.
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Wouldn't say that lol, nobody thought the Soviet Union and Yugoslavia would break up, a hundred years nobody thought the subcontinent would be partitioned and it did, 50 years ago no Pakistan probably though that East Pakistan would split.
 
Pakistanian said:
Wouldn't say that lol, nobody thought the Soviet Union and Yugoslavia would break up, a hundred years nobody thought the subcontinent would be partitioned and it did, 50 years ago no Pakistan probably though that East Pakistan would split.
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USA, the super power was behind breaking up USSR. Compare the Kashmir conflict with the Palestinian struggle instead and you will see how impossible it is.
 
Pakistanian said:
Why are you guys always bringing religion into this? Kashmiris want a Kashmiri nation state, they don't want to be part of India for ethnic and cultural reasons the way Kurds don't want to be part of Iraq or Catalans don't want to be part of Spain. Whatever happens in Kashmir post-Indian pull out is none of their business just like it isn't India's business of what happens in Bangladesh or Nepal.
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Ya right, it’s because of religion Pakistanis support Kashmiri terrorist. Are Kashmiri pundits fighting for independence? India do not want another terror haven in its border and will do everything to keep Kashmiri. Pakistanis can only dream on Kashmiri independence or them joining Pakistan.
Also this problem make poor country like Pakistan spend its valuable resources and money on this issue instead of developing its infrastructure. Win win for India to keep this problem going.
 
Birdman said:
Ya right, it’s because of religion Pakistanis support Kashmiri terrorist. Are Kashmiri pundits fighting for independence? India do not want another terror haven in its border and will do everything to keep Kashmiri. Pakistanis can only dream on Kashmiri independence or them joining Pakistan.
Also this problem make poor country like Pakistan spend its valuable resources and money on this issue instead of developing its infrastructure. Win win for India to keep this problem going.
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There is a religious element but is mainly an ethnic separatist movement, not everybody wants to be part of multiethnic india. Kashmiri muslims are 97% of the population and have been the overwhelming majority for the past many centuries since most Kashmiris converted to Islam in the 14th century. You guys keep bringing up the Pandit minority who are only 3% of Kashmir's population and don't represent the aspirations of the majority of the valley.
 
Syed1 said:
It is India's wet dream that Baluchistan wants separation but the reality is very different. You can chose to remain ignorant, wouldn't be a first for an Indian.
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I quoted your own HRC head, don't you believe your own institutions? She has extensively talked and worked with people in that region and knows more about the place than you do, sitting somewhere in Alaska.

Like I said .. if you want a referendum in Kashmir, be consistent and hold one in Baluchistan too. We should all strive to be fair.
 
Thomaskutty said:
I quoted your own HRC head, don't you believe your own institutions? She has extensively talked and worked with people in that region and knows more about the place than you do, sitting somewhere in Alaska.

Like I said .. if you want a referendum in Kashmir, be consistent and hold one in Baluchistan too. We should all strive to be fair.
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LOL.

Wake up to the reality.

Stop being ignorant and arrogant.

Majority of Indian soldiers do not want to be in India.

Majority of Kashmiri do not like the presence of Indian Occupying Army in India.

You, as an Indian, can't walk around Kashmir without the protection.

Come to Pakistan and i'll take you to Baluchistan without any Army personal or security.

It is quite understandable that you and other are desperate to see your government to take some action to preserve your pseudo-patriotism, like Ghambir, from embarrassment but let's not become ignorant to the reality of the world.
 
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Thomaskutty said:
Like I said .. if you want a referendum in Kashmir, be consistent and hold one in Baluchistan too. We should all strive to be fair.
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They've already had one and voted for Pakistan and would vote for Pakistan again if there was another referendum. You can't say that about Kashmir with the same confidence :afridi
 
Dr_Bassim said:
Ridiculous.

Which country would give independence to a state it believes to be an integral part of India?

The question is carelessly worded and it deserves the scorn and ridicule it is getting.
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So people shouldn't ask questions? lmao some of y'all make no sense.
 
Thomaskutty said:
I quoted your own HRC head, don't you believe your own institutions? She has extensively talked and worked with people in that region and knows more about the place than you do, sitting somewhere in Alaska.

Like I said .. if you want a referendum in Kashmir, be consistent and hold one in Baluchistan too. We should all strive to be fair.
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Baluchistan is not disputed territory... keep dreaming kid.
 
Kashmiris have two options. Either they accept the fact that Kashmir is an integral part of India and would never be separated. In that case live peacefully like any other Indian. Alternatively, if they are fond of Pakistan they should just back their bags and migrate to Pakistan permanently. That way everyone would be happy.
 
Kashmir is such a waste of time/money.

Should just pack up, build a wall around them and move on. #Trump

Applies to both India and Pakistan, mind you.
 
Human beings have been ridiculously oppressive since day 1.

The hypocrites of modern invaders are killing people in Palestine, Afghanistan, Iraq, yemen, Syria and Kashmir on daily basis but they still act innocent.

We are even destroying the earth's nature and making it a hell for future generations. We simply don't deserve earth.
 
Varun said:
Kashmir is such a waste of time/money.

Should just pack up, build a wall around them and move on. #Trump

Applies to both India and Pakistan, mind you.
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India could give up on Kashmir. Pakistan will never do this.
 
GrandMaster said:
Kashmiris have two options. Either they accept the fact that Kashmir is an integral part of India and would never be separated. In that case live peacefully like any other Indian. Alternatively, if they are fond of Pakistan they should just back their bags and migrate to Pakistan permanently. That way everyone would be happy.
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What a simplistic view. Unfortunately, this is not how the real world works.
 
India will never give Kashmir because it belongs to India. It is Pakistan who is poking its nose in others business. Also, I keep hearing this term - Kashmir is a disputed territory. Most people dont even know what it actually means and justifying violence using that term. Even if Kashmir is a disputed territory, you solve that dispute in international court of justice and not via stone pelting, rocket launching or terrorism.

I am sorry to say this but islamic mindset had to be blamed here. You would find most of this cases of violence/terrorism etc is found in islamic countries. Palestanies has a problem with Israel, Iraq/Afg wars with west, Kashmiris with Indians etc. Show me one hindu/christian/sikh/jain etc country fighting like that.

Its ooen to all where the issue is
 
RIP to Indians who recently died. Human life is sacred and I feel for the families of all affected in this longrunning dispute.

8/10 districts in Kashmir valley are pro Pakistan (Bandipora, Baramulla, Kupwara, Ganderbal, Shopian, Pulwama, Kulgam, Anantnag). Even downtown Srinagar has a lot of pro Pakistanis.

Muslim areas of Jammu (Rajouri, Doda, Bhaderwah etc) are pro Pakistan, even where there are candidates from the community for NC. This is because they needed to form a counter against the BJP, but these people would still want to join Pakistan.

If Kashmir wanted independence, India wouldn’t care. The real issue is that The people above want to join Pakistan. They are being treated badly by Indian forces because of that wish.
 
Canford Cliffs said:
India will never give Kashmir because it belongs to India. It is Pakistan who is poking its nose in others business. Also, I keep hearing this term - Kashmir is a disputed territory. Most people dont even know what it actually means and justifying violence using that term. Even if Kashmir is a disputed territory, you solve that dispute in international court of justice and not via stone pelting, rocket launching or terrorism.

I am sorry to say this but islamic mindset had to be blamed here. You would find most of this cases of violence/terrorism etc is found in islamic countries. Palestanies has a problem with Israel, Iraq/Afg wars with west, Kashmiris with Indians etc. Show me one hindu/christian/sikh/jain etc country fighting like that.

Its ooen to all where the issue is
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https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/belief/2011/jan/19/india-hindu-terrorism-threat

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saffron_terror

Took me literally 30 seconds. Don't think I need to waste my time researching this further considering how stupid your point is.
 
Kashmiris are independent I guess. They can migrate to and support whichever country they want. The problem is they want to take Kashmir with them. If tomorrow they say “ok we’re leaving Indian occupied Kashmir and moving to Pakistan”, all this support they get from Pakistan will stop and they will no longer be welcome. Kashmiris should sit down and think about the whole thing themselves. The reality is, Pakistan’s interest is clearly Kashmir, not Kashmiris. The sooner they realise it, the better it’ll be for them.

Both countries should just be happy with their share of Kashmir and shake hands. Kashmir will be one when these two countries become friends. The border will then be more like a formality than a battlefield. It’ll happen. That’s the law of nature.
 
Hitman said:
You don't believe Indian sources. And now BBC is unreliable too? :))
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I believe in honest sources. Baluchistan does have problems but we are not blinding are raping them like you are in IoK. We do not have 70,000 or something soldiers oppressing them like in IoK. The fact that you are comparing IoK to Baluchistan shows how foolish you are. Baluch problems are rights and
development issues, no one their carries your Indian flag like in IoK where they do the Pak one. I will let you know that over the past few years August 14 has been celebrated in great joy in that region. By comparison August 15 has been a "black day" in IoK for many years now.
 
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Canford Cliffs said:
India will never give Kashmir because it belongs to India. It is Pakistan who is poking its nose in others business. Also, I keep hearing this term - Kashmir is a disputed territory. Most people dont even know what it actually means and justifying violence using that term. Even if Kashmir is a disputed territory, you solve that dispute in international court of justice and not via stone pelting, rocket launching or terrorism.

I am sorry to say this but islamic mindset had to be blamed here. You would find most of this cases of violence/terrorism etc is found in islamic countries. Palestanies has a problem with Israel, Iraq/Afg wars with west, Kashmiris with Indians etc. Show me one hindu/christian/sikh/jain etc country fighting like that.

Its ooen to all where the issue is
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Read any history book and it will tell you that Pakistan cannot be excluded from the Kashmir issue.

Even the piece of paper that ascends Kashmir to India is CONDITIONAL.

So you can talk about the Indian flag as much as you like and claim Kashmir as part of India, the truth will always be otherwise until and unless there is a vote by the people of Kashmir.
Why delay this? Is it in the hope that a genocide may tilt the balance in India’s favour!
 
IMMY69 said:
Read any history book and it will tell you that Pakistan cannot be excluded from the Kashmir issue.

Even the piece of paper that ascends Kashmir to India is CONDITIONAL.

So you can talk about the Indian flag as much as you like and claim Kashmir as part of India, the truth will always be otherwise until and unless there is a vote by the people of Kashmir.
Why delay this? Is it in the hope that a genocide may tilt the balance in India’s favour!
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What history? J&K is an Indian state and the issue is between Kashmiris and GOI. Pakistan has no business to rub their nose. They tried to get Kashmir by fighting 4 wars and lost all of them. Knowing well they cannot beat India in military war...they are taking the route of terrorism. But it wont work either and few Indian soldiers will be martyred and loads of young kashmiris will get killed in the process.

Its high time Pakistan looks to sort out its country first rather than bothering about Kashmir. Woh kabhi nehi milne wala.
 
Varun said:
Kashmir is such a waste of time/money.

Should just pack up, build a wall around them and move on. #Trump

Applies to both India and Pakistan, mind you.
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lol seriously, just end this.

72 years and these people still want to fight about.
 
Just look at this thread.
Indians/ Pakistanis just fighting with each other about morals and who is correct.

Both deserve each other, Filth of the 3rd world.. Pathetic.....
 
Romali_rotti said:
Just look at this thread.
Indians/ Pakistanis just fighting with each other about morals and who is correct.

Both deserve each other, Filth of the 3rd world.. Pathetic.....
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lol yup, so glad first world indians/pakistanis/bangladeshis etc south asians get along just fine.
 
Kashmiris want to be part of Pakistan and India knows this

The only reason it holds on to it is this: Letting Kashmir decide its freedom will lead to a ripple effect where other Indian states will also start demanding freedom and will create a ripple effect. Thats it
 
rhony said:
Was there a plebiscite in Gilgit and Azad Kashmir?
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why is GB and azad kashmir so peaceful that foreigners even go there to visit as tourists and there is no large standing army whereas indian occupied kashmir is one of the largest militarized zones anywhere.

Surely you can see that people of AJK and GB and their view on Pakistan is not comparable to Indian kashmiris in India.

In fact when I was in GB a few years ago I met locals who were angry at Pakistan for not giving them provincial status
 
Slog said:
Kashmiris want to be part of Pakistan and India knows this

The only reason it holds on to it is this: Letting Kashmir decide its freedom will lead to a ripple effect where other Indian states will also start demanding freedom and will create a ripple effect. Thats it
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This is exactly why they are scared of doing so, the South, NorthEast and maybe even Bengal would try to leave afterwards.
 
Slog said:
why is GB and azad kashmir so peaceful that foreigners even go there to visit as tourists and there is no large standing army whereas indian occupied kashmir is one of the largest militarized zones anywhere.

Surely you can see that people of AJK and GB and their view on Pakistan is not comparable to Indian kashmiris in India.

In fact when I was in GB a few years ago I met locals who were angry at Pakistan for not giving them provincial status
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It was a question out of curiosity. If the result is going to be favorable anyway, why wasn't there a plebiscite so far? It would go a long way in pressurising the GOI to do the same
 
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