Why don't Indian Muslims fight back?

[Swashbuckler]

Are you denying that Tamil Nadu politicians supported the LTTE terrorists?

Sympathy, moral support. They never indulged in acts of terror.

 

[CricketCartoons]

Sympathy, moral support. They never indulged in acts of terror.

Moral support to terrorists?

DMK's politician (which won maximum seats in 2019 parliament elections) with the deadliest terrorist of this region. And these moral supporters are voted to power by the moral people of madras.

 

[Swashbuckler]

Who would have thought that banking on the success of Gujarat Modi will be accepted in outside states and go on to become to PM Twice? But it happened even though most critics were assured that it will never happen.

Who would have thought that BJP will win close to 50% seats in West Bengal just like they did this elections? But it happened.

BJP even managed to win in Karnataka, a South Indian State.

So never underestimate.

Tamil Nadu politics is a different ballgame. Even Kerala, who thought after the Sabarimala protests BJP would continue its drought?

I am sure BJP will never come to Tamil Nadu, Dravidian politics is like kryptonite for RSS ideology.

 

[Swashbuckler]

Moral support to terrorists?

DMK's politician (which won maximum seats in 2019 parliament elections) with the deadliest terrorist of this region. And these moral supporters are voted to power by the moral people of madras.

That is Vaiko, MDMK and not DMK. Posing for a photograph just like some Norwegian politicians did with Prabhakaran. Here we have BJP leaders inducting terrorists in their party. I won't engage with you troll.

 

[CricketCartoons]

That is Vaiko, MDMK and not DMK. Posing for a photograph just like some Norwegian politicians did with Prabhakaran. Here we have BJP leaders inducting terrorists in their party. I won't engage with you troll.

Don't know why you are deflecting. BJP inducted a terror accused which is shameful, but the virtue signalling that somehow people in Tamil Nadu are above support for terrorists is hard to swallow. You can fool pakistanis with that narrative, but not those who know a bit about Tamil Nadu. Do you deny that the ltte terrorist parabhakaran had lots of support in Tamil Nadu? yes/no?

 

[ILcricket]

I dont (like many) have too much love for Indian Muslims due to their silence on Kashmir but why are they not fighting back against Hindu extremists who seem to be assaulting them reguarly?

Indian Muslims are 200 million in number and we all know Muslims ruled over large part of the land as a minority. This rule was established by military victories. Of course they are not to take on the state but since the state is now run by Hindu extremists they cannot rely on its protection.

Indian Muslims need to sit down, develop groups which will defend other Indian Muslims phyiscally and also poltically.

What are they scared of? The goons who attack them aren't MMA experts but pretty weak looking individuals.

You better propagate Jehad where you live .

 

[KingKhanWC]

You better propagate Jehad where you live .

I live in the UK and have no issues of Hindu extremists attacking me or my family. If this was the case, call it what you like but they would be taught a lesson to never do such thuggery again.

It's interesting you have not condemned the attacks on Muslims, so I assume you are proud of your brethren?

 

[cricketjoshila]

I live in the UK and have no issues of Hindu extremists attacking me or my family. If this was the case, call it what you like but they would be taught a lesson to never do such thuggery again.

It's interesting you have not condemned the attacks on Muslims, so I assume you are proud of your brethren?

What lesson will you teach? Who exactly are you? The only lesson anyone will be taught in the UK will be by the British law.

What you are propogating here is violence in another country? You are egging muslims to engage in physical confrontations by forming groups. But then again you have supported Taliban.

Thank goodness that Nehru didnot accept the demands of Jinnah and people like you ended on the other side of the border.

 

[KingKhanWC]

What lesson will you teach? Who exactly are you? The only lesson anyone will be taught in the UK will be by the British law.

What you are propogating here is violence in another country? You are egging muslims to engage in physical confrontations by forming groups. But then again you have supported Taliban.

Thank goodness that Nehru didnot accept the demands of Jinnah and people like you ended on the other side of the border.

People have a right to self defence in the UK. It's a shame the Indian Muslims dont have such a right?

Im glad I didn't end up in a nation which is ruled by Hindu extremists. Under a PM who believes clouds hide radar and he used a digital camera before it was invented lol.

 

[Itachi]

I don't get the point of this thread.

Op has no knowledge about Indian Muslims and their lives except reading some news here and there.

The issue is, you will see what you want to see. If I want to read Islam hate speeches, there are plenty of around. But after reading it, I'll have to make my own judgement about what I want to believe.

Op has come to the thread without an open mind and dismissing every arguments that are put forwarded to the extent that he started to insult Indian Muslims.

If Indian Muslims are content with their lives, let them be. Sitting in a comfortable chair thousand miles away and somehow you will realize what they should do?

People live in their own delusion world as it seems.

 

[KingKhanWC]

I don't get the point of this thread.

Op has no knowledge about Indian Muslims and their lives except reading some news here and there.

The issue is, you will see what you want to see. If I want to read Islam hate speeches, there are plenty of around. But after reading it, I'll have to make my own judgement about what I want to believe.

Op has come to the thread without an open mind and dismissing every arguments that are put forwarded to the extent that he started to insult Indian Muslims.

If Indian Muslims are content with their lives, let them be. Sitting in a comfortable chair thousand miles away and somehow you will realize what they should do?

People live in their own delusion world as it seems.

Its on the mainstreams news daily , Indian Muslims are beating attacked by Hindu extremists. Do you think these news platforms have no knowledge and are making up fake stories?

I was just wondering why Indian Muslims dont defend themselves, phyiscally and politically. Do you have any ideas or is this the usual Indian rant towards anyone who may criticise the extremists in your country?

 

[Junaid_ahmed]

Sometimes I think they would have been in a better position to fight back if a large part of Muslims of the Indian subcontinent hadn't formed a new independent country. At the very least then they would have had bigger manpower.

#unpopularopinions

Even Jinnah was thinking the same right after the independence.
Actually 2 things were made Jinnah to think so, 1. riots & killing against muslims after partition, 2. The piece of land which was given to muslims.

 

[Itachi]

Its on the mainstreams news daily , Indian Muslims are beating attacked by Hindu extremists. Do you think these news platforms have no knowledge and are making up fake stories?

I was just wondering why Indian Muslims dont defend themselves, phyiscally and politically. Do you have any ideas or is this the usual Indian rant towards anyone who may criticise the extremists in your country?

I won't deny the news. But if you'll look carefully, then you'll see that most news are localised to some particular areas who has a long history of religious conflicts. The rest of India is free from those. Since in other parts, there's a system which works well for Hindus and Muslims, why Muslims will want to disrupt it?

Because of religion? But in india,nation comes first. This may be an alien concept to you but this is why, even with so much diversity, multiple religion, sects, India is still relatively peaceful.

West Pakistan even couldn't give proper place to east Pakistan even when coming from same religion. What's the use of religion then?

 

[KingKhanWC]

I won't deny the news. But if you'll look carefully, then you'll see that most news are localised to some particular areas who has a long history of religious conflicts. The rest of India is free from those. Since in other parts, there's a system which works well for Hindus and Muslims, why Muslims will want to disrupt it?

Because of religion? But in india,nation comes first. This may be an alien concept to you but this is why, even with so much diversity, multiple religion, sects, India is still relatively peaceful.

West Pakistan even couldn't give proper place to east Pakistan even when coming from same religion. What's the use of religion then?

Lets stick to India.

"We are receiving reports that indicate increasing harassment and targeting of minorities – in particular Muslims and people from historically disadvantaged and marginalised groups, such as Dalits and Adivasis," Bachelet said in her annual report to the UN Human Rights Council in Geneva."

Its peaceful for you but not for minorities as pointed out by a UN human rights chief. Your PM claims he used email before it was invented so not surprised if Indians are in denail and hate any criticism of their superpower nation.

 

[Junaid_ahmed]

You have not spent 37 years there like me. Pakistanis hate Shias(other minority) call bad names behind their backs. Even though they do not even follow a very separate kind of religion like Hinduism or Christianity.

Muslims in India are in huge numbers. You can not compare apples with oranges.

One call from London, the whole Karachi city gets shut down. And then you talk about showing bravado. Going by population size and areawise itself, Karachi can call itself as a separate country ala Singapore.

Talk is cheap. Fix your own house first then start fixing someone else's house.

Objection my lord.
Pakistanis hate Pakistanis. Shias of Pakistan are as Pakistani as any other so plz do not spread blind hate.
Call bad names behind their back is not a strange thing. Almost all of us used to call Nawaz Zardari Imran Bajwa etc etc with bad names, so if top most cant get away with bad names then how come a common man could.

 

[Madplayer]

I don't get the point of this thread.

Op has no knowledge about Indian Muslims and their lives except reading some news here and there.

The issue is, you will see what you want to see. If I want to read Islam hate speeches, there are plenty of around. But after reading it, I'll have to make my own judgement about what I want to believe.

Op has come to the thread without an open mind and dismissing every arguments that are put forwarded to the extent that he started to insult Indian Muslims.

If Indian Muslims are content with their lives, let them be. Sitting in a comfortable chair thousand miles away and somehow you will realize what they should do?

People live in their own delusion world as it seems.

You dont know the fear that Indian muslims feel? You think it is imaginary?

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This man is your PM. How can muslims fe safe? This is a damning video which every single person in this world should watch. Especially the defenders of hindutva here on PP.

[MENTION=133760]Abdullah719[/MENTION] would you be kind enough to embed the video please.

 

[Birdman]

People have to pushed to beyond their limit for them to rebel against their government. Muslims in India are contented with their lives and like every other Indians they are working towards building a better life for them and their children. They don't have time, money or motivation to indulge in loony activities.

May be Muslims in Europe have to travel to Syria or kill their fellow citizens to prove their religiousness, Indian Muslims don't think that way.

 

[Itachi]

You dont know the fear that Indian muslims feel? You think it is imaginary?

This man is your PM. How can muslims fe safe? This is a damning video which every single person in this world should watch. Especially the defenders of hindutva here on PP.

[MENTION=133760]Abdullah719[/MENTION] would you be kind enough to embed the video please.

You didn't understand what I wrote.

 

[Itachi]

Lets stick to India.

"We are receiving reports that indicate increasing harassment and targeting of minorities – in particular Muslims and people from historically disadvantaged and marginalised groups, such as Dalits and Adivasis," Bachelet said in her annual report to the UN Human Rights Council in Geneva."

Its peaceful for you but not for minorities as pointed out by a UN human rights chief. Your PM claims he used email before it was invented so not surprised if Indians are in denail and hate any criticism of their superpower nation.

The subject matter is, why Muslims from other parts of India don't stand up for atrocity that are happening elsewhere. You even criticized indian Muslims on that basis since they didn't stand up for Kashmiris.

But if someone shows how futile that argument is where religion has failed to keep the people together, then why change the subject?

As I said earlier, for Indians, India comes first. For a localised problem, people don't need to fight against the system all the time which could result that localised problem becoming systemic. When majority parts of the system are working, for a few incidents here and there due to some stupid people, why destabilize the system?

 

[gazza619]

As harsh as it sounds, Muslims scattered all over India need to come to a consensus and start moving towards northern parts of the country enmasse over the next 10 years. They can never beat the superiority in numbers of hindus especially now after Hindutva awakening. Thus their best chance is mobilization in on region. And the best region for them is North where They will be in proxmity to Sikhs in Punjab, Kashmiris and also Pakistan. This will be a humungous task and might even sound impractical to begin with. Because they will have to leave aside cultural differences coming from various parts of India, they will have to sell off their properties to start afresh and will also have to face antagonism from hindutva brigade when their numbers increase to substance in the north.

Everyday humiliation and life in fear should provide some fuel to their journey. However, it won't happen until a strong Indian muslim leader emerges and directs the whole process. As i predicted, there will be communal riots in India in coming years and usually in the aftermath of such events, a leader does arise. So lets see what they can do. Once thing is for sure, Indian muslims should come out of cloud cuckoo land where they think that they are equal sons of their Bharat mata. They are not. At least not anymore.

I cannot see this happening in a million years. I guess people dont just leave there cities and home towns unless it becomes a matter of life and death.

 

[gazza619]

You dont know the fear that Indian muslims feel? You think it is imaginary?

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This man is your PM. How can muslims fe safe? This is a damning video which every single person in this world should watch. Especially the defenders of hindutva here on PP.

[MENTION=133760]Abdullah719[/MENTION] would you be kind enough to embed the video please.

This is beyond sickening!

 

[KingKhanWC]

The subject matter is, why Muslims from other parts of India don't stand up for atrocity that are happening elsewhere. You even criticized indian Muslims on that basis since they didn't stand up for Kashmiris.

But if someone shows how futile that argument is where religion has failed to keep the people together, then why change the subject?

As I said earlier, for Indians, India comes first. For a localised problem, people don't need to fight against the system all the time which could result that localised problem becoming systemic. When majority parts of the system are working, for a few incidents here and there due to some stupid people, why destabilize the system?

This is the problem with Indian Non-Muslims, you keep attempting to claim this is a minor issue. I gave you a quote from the UN human rights cheif. You can also find statments from various human rights organistions around the world saying the same thing. We hear media reports far too regurlarly regarding Muslims being attacked by Hindus, videos appear on social media almost daily.

Bury your head in the sand if you like but Muslims cannot rely on the state because your government is extremist in nature. Therefore Indian Muslims need to defend themselves, whether you like it or not.

 

[Itachi]

This is the problem with Indian Non-Muslims, you keep attempting to claim this is a minor issue. I gave you a quote from the UN human rights cheif. You can also find statments from various human rights organistions around the world saying the same thing. We hear media reports far too regurlarly regarding Muslims being attacked by Hindus, videos appear on social media almost daily.

Bury your head in the sand if you like but Muslims cannot rely on the state because your government is extremist in nature. Therefore Indian Muslims need to defend themselves, whether you like it or not.

Does the report mentioned the localities?

Does that report mentions the incidents section wise depending upon the locality, states or districts?

If yes, I would like to get the information.

If no, then how one can call it a system wide issue based on that report since no such data available?

Regarding incidents of violence, check again the places. You'll see similar places on the news again and again (UP, Bihar and MP mostly). That's why it is regarded as localised problem.

 

[cricketjoshila]

People have a right to self defence in the UK. It's a shame the Indian Muslims dont have such a right?

Im glad I didn't end up in a nation which is ruled by Hindu extremists. Under a PM who believes clouds hide radar and he used a digital camera before it was invented lol.

We will see your right to self defence when you do it.

Indian muslims have more rights than Hindus christians and other minorities in Pakistan. Worry about them and not about another country which has nothing to do with you.

Atleast we my country is not home to a number of UN banned terrorists, and my PM doesnot have to go around the world asking for bailouts.

 

[kaayal]

You didn't understand what I wrote.

And you conveniently ignored the video that he posted. Not only you, nobody is gonna address it.

 

[Romali_rotti]

You dont know the fear that Indian muslims feel? You think it is imaginary?

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This man is your PM. How can muslims fe safe? This is a damning video which every single person in this world should watch. Especially the defenders of hindutva here on PP.

[MENTION=133760]Abdullah719[/MENTION] would you be kind enough to embed the video please.

I have seen this video before, Pakistanis and Muslims from other parts of India have the right to show concern. However not Kashmiri Muslims like you since your forefathers have more blood on their hands with the genocide of the Kashmir Pandits....

 

[cricketjoshila]

I have seen this video before, Pakistanis and Muslims from other parts of India have the right to show concern. However not Kashmiri Muslims like you since your forefathers have more blood on their hands with the genocide of the Kashmir Pandits....

Whats there in the video? Modi said he would have done what he did in Gujarat in response to 26/11. Modi's response to terror attacks in Gujarat is known. Also he walked the talk with Balakote and surgical strikes.

The supreme court could find no involvement of modi in gujarat riots.

Congress used the Gujarat riots to create a narrative to oust the vajpayee govt.

 

[Technics 1210]

The reason why Muslims do not fight back is two fold:

1. They are outnumbered.
2. Indian law protects Hindus as a priority, and minorities secondary.

Gujarat is proof of this. Muslims were defending themselves, yet failed. The Indian pro-Hindu supreme court, exonerated the Hindu terrorist Modi. Orissa is another example, only this time Christians were the victims. Who can forget the Sikh Massacre? 1000s of Sikhs butchered in the streets of Punjab. Yet we are told Hindus are peaceful.

Sadly minorities in India can neither take matters in their own hands, or rely on the government/judicial system for justice.

Then again, they are themselves to blame, they shouldn't have voted for BJP in the first place.

 

[Romali_rotti]

Whats there in the video? Modi said he would have done what he did in Gujarat in response to 26/11. Modi's response to terror attacks in Gujarat is known. Also he walked the talk with Balakote and surgical strikes.

The supreme court could find no involvement of modi in gujarat riots.

Congress used the Gujarat riots to create a narrative to oust the vajpayee govt.

My comments werent targeted at PM Modi, but rather the other folks in that video...

 

[cricketjoshila]

My comments werent targeted at PM Modi, but rather the other folks in that video...

Problem is unlike videos, in a court of law, people have to back up what they say with evidence.

 

[barah_admi]

Whats there in the video? Modi said he would have done what he did in Gujarat in response to 26/11. Modi's response to terror attacks in Gujarat is known. Also he walked the talk with Balakote and surgical strikes.

The supreme court could find no involvement of modi in gujarat riots.

Congress used the Gujarat riots to create a narrative to oust the vajpayee govt.

Oh, you have come out of the woodwork now.

Will you shoe us evidence of Balakote and surgical strikes? The entire world is waiting for it and it seems you have it, thanks

Also, Everyone and their dog knows what Modi did in Gujarat. The video actually speaks about a report from within the British HIgh Commission, it was widely publicised at the time and many western governments were criticised for their inaction ,which led to the UK and the US, among others, black listing Modi from traveling and entering their states. This was only lifted due to his position as PM, not because he was somehow miraculously innocent.

Anyway, I await your evidence

 

[cricketjoshila]

Oh, you have come out of the woodwork now.

Will you shoe us evidence of Balakote and surgical strikes? The entire world is waiting for it and it seems you have it, thanks

Also, Everyone and their dog knows what Modi did in Gujarat. The video actually speaks about a report from within the British HIgh Commission, it was widely publicised at the time and many western governments were criticised for their inaction ,which led to the UK and the US, among others, black listing Modi from traveling and entering their states. This was only lifted due to his position as PM, not because he was somehow miraculously innocent.

Anyway, I await your evidence

I am not here to give you evidence. What matters is that Indians know it and that the evidence was shared with relevant countries.

Modi has been exonerated by courts in India. Thats what matters. Not some videos on youtube.

Modi has visited US and UK. Has been received by the respective heads of states.

As [MENTION=133315]Hitman[/MENTION] and [MENTION=428]Romali_rotti[/MENTION] said, pakistanis can keep shouting about Modi all day, hardly any relevant authority around the world seems to care.

 

[barah_admi]

I am not here to give you evidence. What matters is that Indians know it and that the evidence was shared with relevant countries.

Modi has been exonerated by courts in India. Thats what matters. Not some videos on youtube.

Modi has visited US and UK. Has been received by the respective heads of states.

As [MENTION=133315]Hitman[/MENTION] and @roomali_roti said, pakistanis can keep shouting about Modi all day, hardly any relevant authority around the world seems to care.

I am just curious which evidence the Indian government shared? I don't remember any sovereign state claiming to have seen India's evidence regarding the surgical strikes. I am uneducated in this matter, can you please educate me on it?

 

[Itachi]

I am just curious which evidence the Indian government shared? I don't remember any sovereign state claiming to have seen India's evidence regarding the surgical strikes. I am uneducated in this matter, can you please educate me on it?

Surgical strike is off topic in this thread. You should ask him in the relevant thread.

 

[Pakpak]

You dont know the fear that Indian muslims feel? You think it is imaginary?

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This man is your PM. How can muslims fe safe? This is a damning video which every single person in this world should watch. Especially the defenders of hindutva here on PP.

[MENTION=133760]Abdullah719[/MENTION] would you be kind enough to embed the video please.

Absolutely horrific.

I don't know if you guys have seen Gujarat final solution. Where little kids were recalling their female relatives being stripped and cut down.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

And you conveniently ignored the video that he posted. Not only you, nobody is gonna address it.

How do you expect Hindutvas to address it? Your pal joshila bhai will just trot out his usual line that the courts in India found no evidence and cleared modi of all charges, but in the video those who admit carrying out slaughter, including women and children are freely praising Modi for getting them released from jail with all charges dropped.

Waste of time, these people will say that only Pakistan is the enemy, but every time there is a riot in India they will blame the victims for for the inevitable slaughter which follows it.

 

[cricketjoshila]

How do you expect Hindutvas to address it? Your pal joshila bhai will just trot out his usual line that the courts in India found no evidence and cleared modi of all charges, but in the video those who admit carrying out slaughter, including women and children are freely praising Modi for getting them released from jail with all charges dropped.

Waste of time, these people will say that only Pakistan is the enemy, but every time there is a riot in India they will blame the victims for for the inevitable slaughter which follows it.

Problem is that courts require more than youtube videos. You can claim anything on a video, but in the court you need to prove it.

You can keep trying to run your agenda here. But as [MENTION=133315]Hitman[/MENTION] and [MENTION=428]Romali_rotti[/MENTION] pointed out, outside pakistani community there are few takers for that agenda.

Riots have happened in India since a long long time. Used to happen in the british era as well. Which victim is blamed?

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Right on cue. Videos of his footsoldiers openly bragging about their slaughter aren't enough for the Indian courts. Well of course they aren't. What a surprise.

Indian PP'er response: Nothing to see here folks, didn't happen. Move along.

 

[barah_admi]

Surgical strike is off topic in this thread. You should ask him in the relevant thread.

Somebody else brought it up, I am merely asking for evidence. That is called being academic.

How do you expect Hindutvas to address it? Your pal joshila bhai will just trot out his usual line that the courts in India found no evidence and cleared modi of all charges, but in the video those who admit carrying out slaughter, including women and children are freely praising Modi for getting them released from jail with all charges dropped.

Waste of time, these people will say that only Pakistan is the enemy, but every time there is a riot in India they will blame the victims for for the inevitable slaughter which follows it.

Great Post.

Problem is that courts require more than youtube videos. You can claim anything on a video, but in the court you need to prove it.

You can keep trying to run your agenda here. But as [MENTION=133315]Hitman[/MENTION] and [MENTION=428]Romali_rotti[/MENTION] pointed out, outside pakistani community there are few takers for that agenda.

Riots have happened in India since a long long time. Used to happen in the british era as well. Which victim is blamed?

I am still waiting dear joshila bahi.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Right on cue. Videos of his footsoldiers openly bragging about their slaughter aren't enough for the Indian courts. Well of course they aren't. What a surprise.

Indian PP'er response: Nothing to see here folks, didn't happen. Move along.

If a murderer claims tommorow that Trump asked him to kill someone, will Trump be charged?

Rahul Gandhi lost the election to Smriti Irani on 23rd may. On 25th Irani's election campaign guy is shot dead. Now if the killers say Rahul Gandhi asked them to kill him, should RaGa be charged?

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

If a murderer claims tommorow that Trump asked him to kill someone, will Trump be charged?

Rahul Gandhi lost the election to Smriti Irani on 23rd may. On 25th Irani's election campaign guy is shot dead. Now if the killers say Rahul Gandhi asked them to kill him, should RaGa be charged?

That would never happen with Trump, he might be a loudmouth, but he doesn't have the history of Modi. But if you got several people on video claiming Trump had arranged their release from prison after they had taken part in organised slaughter, you can bet your bottom dollar Trump would be charged.

 

[KingKhanWC]

We will see your right to self defence when you do it.

Indian muslims have more rights than Hindus christians and other minorities in Pakistan. Worry about them and not about another country which has nothing to do with you.

Atleast we my country is not home to a number of UN banned terrorists, and my PM doesnot have to go around the world asking for bailouts.

lol. Self defence is a universal right, moral right and a right covered by law in most nations. Isn't this the case in India? Just take a look at some of the extremists, they hardly have any meat on them(no pun intended). Or in your world Muslims in India should just allow your friends to do as they please?

Stick to India, this thread is not about Pakistan.

Oh the UN the same organisation which has stated Indian Muslims are suffering discrimination and violence.

 

[shaykh]

lol. Self defence is a universal right, moral right and a right covered by law in most nations. Isn't this the case in India? Just take a look at some of the extremists, they hardly have any meat on them(no pun intended). Or in your world Muslims in India should just allow your friends to do as they please?

Stick to India, this thread is not about Pakistan.

Oh the UN the same organisation which has stated Indian Muslims are suffering discrimination and violence.

Indian Muslims can speak for themselves but have you considered the fact that in order to resort to violence there has to be some sort of benefit achieved beyond simple pride...

There are consequences to resorting to arms...consequences which are worse than the original problem...and usually bring more harm than good...you gotta do some kind of cost benefit analysis here...

If you get a beatdown by guys with knives...do you just take the beatdown and not get knived or do you fight?...

Also most people wherever they are are concerned with their own welfare and those of their loved ones...worrying about other ppl/causes is usually what the majority do from the comfort of their armchair or computer...so providing ones own life is ok the rest can deal with their own issues...

What I do find odd though is you are partial with your minorities...you seemed cool with what the Chinese were doing to the Uyghur...are you cool with them resorting to arms?...it certainly didn't seem so judging by your posts but I could be wrong...

 

[KingKhanWC]

Indian Muslims can speak for themselves but have you considered the fact that in order to resort to violence there has to be some sort of benefit achieved beyond simple pride...

There are consequences to resorting to arms...consequences which are worse than the original problem...and usually bring more harm than good...you gotta do some kind of cost benefit analysis here...

If you get a beatdown by guys with knives...do you just take the beatdown and not get knived or do you fight?...

Also most people wherever they are are concerned with their own welfare and those of their loved ones...worrying about other ppl/causes is usually what the majority do from the comfort of their armchair or computer...so providing ones own life is ok the rest can deal with their own issues...

What I do find odd though is you are partial with your minorities...you seemed cool with what the Chinese were doing to the Uyghur...are you cool with them resorting to arms?...it certainly didn't seem so judging by your posts but I could be wrong...

I wasnt suggesting they take up arms and start attacking people but simply defend themselves when being attacked or when they have been attacked to ensure it doesn't happen again. Indian Muslims are a large minority, surely there is enough of them to stand up politcally and physically if needed?

The Uyghur Muslims situation is not the same, it's a seperatist issue. This is an issue with them and the state while other Muslims in China are living a happy and free life, more than any other religious minority.

 

[shaykh]

I wasnt suggesting they take up arms and start attacking people but simply defend themselves when being attacked or when they have been attacked to ensure it doesn't happen again. Indian Muslims are a large minority, surely there is enough of them to stand up politcally and physically if needed?

The Uyghur Muslims situation is not the same, it's a seperatist issue. This is an issue with them and the state while other Muslims in China are living a happy and free life, more than any other religious minority.

Cmon bro that's like saying it's OK to demonise baluchis cos the BLA exist...the discussion is about minorities facing discrimination which unfortunately is a human problem...

Didn't a Hindu vet get in trouble for blasphemy recently under quite dubious circumstances... Should minorities rise up and fight for their religious or ethnic brethren?...

Probably not... What would it serve other than get them killed?...

And again defending oneself is a judgement call... As is defending someone close to you... I've done that with a friend and it didn't end well for either of us... Standing up to east London tamils wasn't a good plan...

Point is sometimes you have to swallow your pride cos the consequence of not doing so can be worse...

This isn't even getting into collective community based stuff which tends to create a further them and us dichotomy... Courageous people do so... Many people fight causes from places where they are safe and others bear the brunt of the consequences...

It's a judgement call to defend yourself so it's an extra step to defend others... Most people grin and bare it... And that's perfectly understandable... Albeit not heroic...

Worth adding too that many ppl could care less about 'community' and see themselves as individuals...and don't want to identify based on a group...

 

[KingKhanWC]

Cmon bro that's like saying it's OK to demonise baluchis cos the BLA exist...the discussion is about minorities facing discrimination which unfortunately is a human problem...

Didn't a Hindu vet get in trouble for blasphemy recently under quite dubious circumstances... Should minorities rise up and fight for their religious or ethnic brethren?...

Probably not... What would it serve other than get them killed?...

And again defending oneself is a judgement call... As is defending someone close to you... I've done that with a friend and it didn't end well for either of us... Standing up to east London tamils wasn't a good plan...

Point is sometimes you have to swallow your pride cos the consequence of not doing so can be worse...

This isn't even getting into collective community based stuff which tends to create a further them and us dichotomy... Courageous people do so... Many people fight causes from places where they are safe and others bear the brunt of the consequences...

It's a judgement call to defend yourself so it's an extra step to defend others... Most people grin and bare it... And that's perfectly understandable... Albeit not heroic...

Worth adding too that many ppl could care less about 'community' and see themselves as individuals...and don't want to identify based on a group...

As I wrote earlier, they need to take lessons from the great Malcolm X. Since Modi they have been targetted more and more and this will rise in the next 4 years. They need a political united body which can speak on their behalf in official circles, such as complaining about justice since most of these extremists are never arrested after their attacks. They could also forge a group of men in each community who would be on call to help protect any families who are being threatened or attacked, the right of self defence is universal.

If it is a one off , isoloted attack, perhaps swallowing pride may be a choice but staying silent in the face of abuse and violence usually leads one to their death or a few days in hospital.

Im not sure what happended in your situation but even if it didnt end well for you, the right choice was made because next time those Tamils will think twice even if they gained the upper hand over you and your friends. But this is more of a personal issue or perhaps gang issue , not the same as Indian Muslims being targetted all over the North by Hindu extremists.

What I find ironic is Indian Muslims stayed quiet when Kashmiris were being oppressed and now it's their turn.

 

[shaykh]

As I wrote earlier, they need to take lessons from the great Malcolm X. Since Modi they have been targetted more and more and this will rise in the next 4 years. They need a political united body which can speak on their behalf in official circles, such as complaining about justice since most of these extremists are never arrested after their attacks. They could also forge a group of men in each community who would be on call to help protect any families who are being threatened or attacked, the right of self defence is universal.

If it is a one off , isoloted attack, perhaps swallowing pride may be a choice but staying silent in the face of abuse and violence usually leads one to their death or a few days in hospital.

Im not sure what happended in your situation but even if it didnt end well for you, the right choice was made because next time those Tamils will think twice even if they gained the upper hand over you and your friends. But this is more of a personal issue or perhaps gang issue , not the same as Indian Muslims being targetted all over the North by Hindu extremists.

What I find ironic is Indian Muslims stayed quiet when Kashmiris were being oppressed and now it's their turn.

Moving away from the Muslim issue lets look at a neutral minority...the Christians...

Tbf what do you think fighting will do for these people?...

Religion Unplugged spoke to 26 pastors, laypeople, lawyers and activists from five states who say that though violent threats to their religious freedoms are the norm, Hindu fundamentalist groups have shifted their strategy from violence to a more coordinated effort to use building regulation laws to shut down churches, especially in remote areas.

“The government has now smartened up,” Michael Williams, president of the United Christian Forum (UCF), which runs a helpline for Christians facing threats, said. “As opposed to beating people with a stick, which they still do, the government is changing the way they enforce policies now.”

“The Hindu extremists barge into the middle of the worship services and threaten and abuse the people present,” Singh said. “If this does not scare the Christians away, the extremists get the police along and shut down the church and the fellowship by force and chase the worshippers away.”

Instead of arresting the attackers, the police usually arrest a pastor. Singh has been arrested 32 times since 2011 over conducting prayers or false allegations of forcibly converting someone to Christianity, he said.

In short when you have a government that cultivates extremism, a police force that helps them then what exactly are you supposed to do?...they do what they can which is conduct prayer in their homes...

Being a minority naturally leaves you more at risk...standing up for your brethren can leave you and your family at risk...fighting will probably lead to a purge...

If you fight you fight to win...

 

[KingKhanWC]

Moving away from the Muslim issue lets look at a neutral minority...the Christians...

Tbf what do you think fighting will do for these people?...





In short when you have a government that cultivates extremism, a police force that helps them then what exactly are you supposed to do?...they do what they can which is conduct prayer in their homes...

Being a minority naturally leaves you more at risk...standing up for your brethren can leave you and your family at risk...fighting will probably lead to a purge...

If you fight you fight to win...

Of course when a government is behind these extremists and is the one which inspires them it will be difficult to stop these attacks. I understand this but you cannot just let them beat you and your family while doing nothing? Are you suggesting take a beating and then take another one, keep on taking them until the cows come home(no pun intended). ??

 

[shaykh]

Of course when a government is behind these extremists and is the one which inspires them it will be difficult to stop these attacks. I understand this but you cannot just let them beat you and your family while doing nothing? Are you suggesting take a beating and then take another one, keep on taking them until the cows come home(no pun intended). ??

Perfectly understandable for them to do exactly that...

You have to explain the benefits of fighting here other than useless things like pride and extremely temporary catharsis...

If you were in the same situation and had a family to look after you might have a little less bravado...or if you had the bravado you might be putting your family in additional danger...

Just to add...your comment about Indian Muslims not standing up for Kashmiris has a victim blame feel about it...firstly why must a Muslim stand up for all Muslims to make the crimes against them as individuals unacceptable?...

Of course people will care more when THEY are attacked...

 

[KingKhanWC]

Perfectly understandable for them to do exactly that...

You have to explain the benefits of fighting here other than useless things like pride and extremely temporary catharsis...

If you were in the same situation and had a family to look after you might have a little less bravado...or if you had the bravado you might be putting your family in additional danger...

Just to add...your comment about Indian Muslims not standing up for Kashmiris has a victim blame feel about it...firstly why must a Muslim stand up for all Muslims to make the crimes against them as individuals unacceptable?...

Of course people will care more when THEY are attacked...

With respect you have no idea who I am and how I would respond. But since you asked, I would make sure my family or myself are never threatend again. I think doing nothing puts them in danger. These extermists arent exactly like Mike Tyson, they are cowards who cannot even fight properly. If someone attacks you, break their jaw and they will not ever think about attacking you again after 6 months of drinking fluids only. If you are happy to take a beating as you did in East London, thats your choice.

Muslims should stand up for other Muslims because this is what their religion teaches,.

 

[shaykh]

With respect you have no idea who I am and how I would respond. But since you asked, I would make sure my family or myself are never threatend again. I think doing nothing puts them in danger. These extermists arent exactly like Mike Tyson, they are cowards who cannot even fight properly. If someone attacks you, break their jaw and they will not ever think about attacking you again after 6 months of drinking fluids only. If you are happy to take a beating as you did in East London, thats your choice.

Muslims should stand up for other Muslims because this is what their religion teaches,.

Lol such bravado and from the safety of your British home...of course i wasn't happy taking a beating but surrounded by a group of armed guys...fighting could have been the difference between life and death...i chose life...if you wanna shame me for it then no skin off my back...

But that aside...do explain how fighting back would be a good idea in the Christian situation?...how being outnumbered and facing armed men makes fighting a more responsible choice...lol fighting most certainly would most certainly not make them safer...

You can shame these ppl as much as you like...they are living...as are their families...a reality which would not be the case if they chose to fight...

For someone doing the Muslim unity thing your victim blaming comes off quite tasteless...

 

[The_Odd_One]

I know a lot of Indian Muslims in the US. I have never heard them bad mouthing their country. They are actually very patriotic and will argue with you if you said something about India.

I will not give too much importance of Youtube videos. Indian Muslims have as many opportunities as Hindu Indian which is visible in all professions. Muslim actors dominate Bollywood. Their top Musicians are Muslims. India had multiple Muslim cricket captains. Their president was a Muslim. The list just goes on an on.

It is high time Pakistanis stop worrying about India and focus more on their country where a non-Muslims can never be the head of state and only one Hindu cricketer has played for Pakistan in the last 30 years.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Lol such bravado and from the safety of your British home...of course i wasn't happy taking a beating but surrounded by a group of armed guys...fighting could have been the difference between life and death...i chose life...if you wanna shame me for it then no skin off my back...

But that aside...do explain how fighting back would be a good idea in the Christian situation?...how being outnumbered and facing armed men makes fighting a more responsible choice...lol fighting most certainly would most certainly not make them safer...

You can shame these ppl as much as you like...they are living...as are their families...a reality which would not be the case if they chose to fight...

For someone doing the Muslim unity thing your victim blaming comes off quite tasteless...

No bravado, Im telling you how it is and again you dont know me to say its bravado. Armed with what, firearms? Sure of course no man can beat bullets but if you watch the video of the man beaten and then forced to beat his wife, the goons only had a stick and would most likely go into a coma if hit back. Its up to that chap how he responds and him praising a Hindu god is not an issue as this is allowed when under attack or your life is at risk but at least hit one of them or later go with your family/friends to level things up so they dont come back again.

Again, if you were attacked(no weapons) what would you do?

I havent looked into the Christian situation, so would be unfair of me to discuss.

Im not shaming them, Im asking a question why they dont resist.

Have no idea what this victim blaming you are pointing to.

 

[shaykh]

No bravado, Im telling you how it is and again you dont know me to say its bravado. Armed with what, firearms? Sure of course no man can beat bullets but if you watch the video of the man beaten and then forced to beat his wife, the goons only had a stick and would most likely go into a coma if hit back. Its up to that chap how he responds and him praising a Hindu god is not an issue as this is allowed when under attack or your life is at risk but at least hit one of them or later go with your family/friends to level things up so they dont come back again.

Again, if you were attacked(no weapons) what would you do?

I havent looked into the Christian situation, so would be unfair of me to discuss.

Im not shaming them, Im asking a question why they dont resist.

Have no idea what this victim blaming you are pointing to.

I feel like i'm speaking to a child...do you understand what mob violence actually is?...what it means to be outnumbered?...to have the police against you?...

Yep all these people who took their beatings and didn't fight lacked the courage that you obviously have...

I think this discussion has gone as far as it can...

 

[KingKhanWC]

I feel like i'm speaking to a child...do you understand what mob violence actually is?...what it means to be outnumbered?...to have the police against you?...

Yep all these people who took their beatings and didn't fight lacked the courage that you obviously have...

I think this discussion has gone as far as it can...

lol. These arent your mates from Israel with guns aiming at Palestinian children. The only similarity is these extremists are also cowards but come in numbers with sticks against one person.

Not all Indian police are against victims, the government is but the police can consist of Muslims too. You are just making up scenarios in your head while Im basing my views on actual footage.

If you are scared due to your past, I understand but dont judge others.

Here, 2 Muslims took on a large mob. Sure it;s the UK but most they didn't show fear, once you do its over.

I love how the blond racist idiot girl was nicely taken out. _

 

[Tubs]

Yeah, we get it, you're a tough guy. If only everyone could be as tough as you. You can't compare the UK to India, where you are far more likely to be murdered by a vigilante mob.

It's quite deplorable how you talk about Indian Muslims. So much for the Ummah, I suppose.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Yeah, we get it, you're a tough guy. If only everyone could be as tough as you. You can't compare the UK to India, where you are far more likely to be murdered by a vigilante mob.

It's quite deplorable how you talk about Indian Muslims. So much for the Ummah, I suppose.

Yawn.

Even in the UK, if your parents were attacked by Islamaphobes what would you do?

 

[Tubs]

Yawn.

Even in the UK, if your parents were attacked by Islamaphobes what would you do?

Again with my parents, you are obsessed!

If I was there, of course I'd defend them. If I wasn't, I'd call the police. What do you expect me to say?

 

[KingKhanWC]

Again with my parents, you are obsessed!

If I was there, of course I'd defend them. If I wasn't, I'd call the police. What do you expect me to say?

I suggest you dont bring them up in an debate then.


Good on you. The irony would be an Islamaphobe defending Muslims from Islamaphobes, I hope they never see harm from any Islamaphobe in any way.

 

[Tubs]

I suggest you dont bring them up in an debate then.


Good on you. The irony would be an Islamaphobe defending Muslims from Islamaphobes, I hope they never see harm from any Islamaphobe in any way.

You mentioned them first actually.

Hahah, again with the victim mentality. 'Islamaphobia' isn't a thing. Anti-Muslim bigotry is. For someone who 'isn't scared' of the Far-Right or other anti-Muslim groups, you sure spend a lot of time talking about them. But yes, you're totally not scared. Not at all. Nope.

 

[Madplayer]

Right on cue. Videos of his footsoldiers openly bragging about their slaughter aren't enough for the Indian courts. Well of course they aren't. What a surprise.

Indian PP'er response: Nothing to see here folks, didn't happen. Move along.

Absolutely horrific.

I don't know if you guys have seen Gujarat final solution. Where little kids were recalling their female relatives being stripped and cut down.

Problem is unlike videos, in a court of law, people have to back up what they say with evidence.

And you conveniently ignored the video that he posted. Not only you, nobody is gonna address it.

They will keep denying it. See this mob calling for genocide of Indian muslims infront of a masjid. And BJP workers shared this video first on twitter

https://twitter.com/ZedsDeadb/status/1133305072165609472?s=19

 

[Madplayer]

I have seen this video before, Pakistanis and Muslims from other parts of India have the right to show concern. However not Kashmiri Muslims like you since your forefathers have more blood on their hands with the genocide of the Kashmir Pandits....

You are just another Clueless NRI who tries to satisfy his guilt of leaving his motherland by overcompensating with hindutva bigotry. So spare me the lecture.

 

[shaykh]

lol. These arent your mates from Israel with guns aiming at Palestinian children. The only similarity is these extremists are also cowards but come in numbers with sticks against one person.

Not all Indian police are against victims, the government is but the police can consist of Muslims too. You are just making up scenarios in your head while Im basing my views on actual footage.

If you are scared due to your past, I understand but dont judge others.

Here, 2 Muslims took on a large mob. Sure it;s the UK but most they didn't show fear, once you do its over.

I love how the blond racist idiot girl was nicely taken out. _

Lol you're pathetic...honestly comparing the EDL to these guys...are you mad...it's easy to be brave in the UK where the police are actually present...and where there are actually consequences to stuff done to you...

How many Muslims have the EDL killed?...lol these guys cry over milkshake being poured on them and you're gonna use this as your argument...

Like I said it's like talking to a child...

 

[Tubs]

Lol you're pathetic...honestly comparing the EDL to these guys...are you mad...it's easy to be brave in the UK where the police are actually present...and where there are actually consequences to stuff done to you...

How many Muslims have the EDL killed?...lol these guys cry over milkshake being poured on them and you're gonna use this as your argument...

Like I said it's like talking to a child...

No point with him. When I showed him a tafsir which undermined his argument, he claimed I was getting my sources from 'hate sites'. He just sticks his fingers in his ears and goes 'lalalalal'.

 

[Hasan2K8]

200million yet no power, no voice.

They need to wake up before anything. In a state of deep sleep and some bollywood films like border, some patriotic hindi songs has inspired them to be nationalists no matter what, I guess.


Fighting back doesn’t mean doing same extreme. It means using your voice, do what’s within your rights as the citizens of the country. Instead they turn a blind eye despite many extreme killings of muslims by the hindutva hindus in India.

When I saw video of that poor village muslim man being axed to death like someone cutting a tree then burned his chopped body in Rajastan, the killers film it, laughed, and threatened more of that to muslims. It made me sick. The poor guy begged for his life saying he is Indian to spare him. The hindutva terrorist had no heart whatsoever for them it was a pride to take a muslims life away! Absolutely horrible. Am sure anyone would like die in a blast or gun shot to the head than being hammered by a axe into bits feeling the extreme pain while your still alive (oh God! ), then burnt!


But Indian Muslims are still asleep.

I’d like to take this opportunity and thank those behind who created United Pakistan, even though it didn’t work in the end but whatever today, Bangladesh is independent, Pakistan is independent, both muslim majority, both were muslims have the right to eat beef. Thank God! Heck even in BD the tribal people in the CHT have pork farms, eat pork in a muslim country would u believe it? pork being highly haram forbidden animal in Islam but Bangladesh being muslim majority not depriving and killing the tribal people are they?

So called secular India. It’s an intolerant country, were media has brainwashed many generations to hate muslims, Pakistan, muslims from BD. With Modi in power it got worse and will get even more worse for the muslims in india.

 

[cricketjoshila]

That would never happen with Trump, he might be a loudmouth, but he doesn't have the history of Modi. But if you got several people on video claiming Trump had arranged their release from prison after they had taken part in organised slaughter, you can bet your bottom dollar Trump would be charged.

When Modi himself was exonerated by courts only in 2012. When the investigation was led by the SIT under a congress govt and duly presided over by the supreme court what will Modi do?

As i said, its easy to claim on youtube. Difficult to prove in courts.

 

[BreadPakoda]

Truth is that the hostility towards moderate Muslims has frightened them. It is making them docile around the globe.

Look at China. The cruelty towards Muslims is shocking. Wish Chinese Muslims could fight back.

 

[Pakpak]

200million yet no power, no voice.

They need to wake up before anything. In a state of deep sleep and some bollywood films like border, some patriotic hindi songs has inspired them to be nationalists no matter what, I guess.


Fighting back doesn’t mean doing same extreme. It means using your voice, do what’s within your rights as the citizens of the country. Instead they turn a blind eye despite many extreme killings of muslims by the hindutva hindus in India.

When I saw video of that poor village muslim man being axed to death like someone cutting a tree then burned his chopped body in Rajastan, the killers film it, laughed, and threatened more of that to muslims. It made me sick. The poor guy begged for his life saying he is Indian to spare him. The hindutva terrorist had no heart whatsoever for them it was a pride to take a muslims life away! Absolutely horrible. Am sure anyone would like die in a blast or gun shot to the head than being hammered by a axe into bits feeling the extreme pain while your still alive (oh God! ), then burnt!


But Indian Muslims are still asleep.

I’d like to take this opportunity and thank those behind who created United Pakistan, even though it didn’t work in the end but whatever today, Bangladesh is independent, Pakistan is independent, both muslim majority, both were muslims have the right to eat beef. Thank God! Heck even in BD the tribal people in the CHT have pork farms, eat pork in a muslim country would u believe it? pork being highly haram forbidden animal in Islam but Bangladesh being muslim majority not depriving and killing the tribal people are they?

So called secular India. It’s an intolerant country, were media has brainwashed many generations to hate muslims, Pakistan, muslims from BD. With Modi in power it got worse and will get even more worse for the muslims in india.

Very good post. Shame we don't have good posters from BD like you, and we are stuck with the likes of RainMan, Execeutioner and BDTigers.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

When Modi himself was exonerated by courts only in 2012. When the investigation was led by the SIT under a congress govt and duly presided over by the supreme court what will Modi do?

As i said, its easy to claim on youtube. Difficult to prove in courts.

Yes of course Modi was exonerated by the Indian courts, much in the same way supposed terrorists are exonerated by Pakistani courts. A point well made joshila bhai!

 

[ILcricket]

I live in the UK and have no issues of Hindu extremists attacking me or my family. If this was the case, call it what you like but they would be taught a lesson to never do such thuggery again.

It's interesting you have not condemned the attacks on Muslims, so I assume you are proud of your brethren?

You are a closet jihadi . Orientation Pakistani Citizenship British & begging for jihad in India . As a Indian , i would say : get lost

 

[KingKhanWC]

Lol you're pathetic...honestly comparing the EDL to these guys...are you mad...it's easy to be brave in the UK where the police are actually present...and where there are actually consequences to stuff done to you...

How many Muslims have the EDL killed?...lol these guys cry over milkshake being poured on them and you're gonna use this as your argument...

Like I said it's like talking to a child...

You're slow here, already accepted India and UK is different. THe point is you have to defend yourself against those who hate you and will continue to attack you and your fellow people. But of course someone who supports Israeli occuption and violence against Palestinians will not be happy when Muslims defend themselves, this is truly pathetic. I suggest do not quote me again if you feel this way, ill be glad not to respond to a Zionist.

You are a closet jihadi . Orientation Pakistani Citizenship British & begging for jihad in India . As a Indian , i would say : get lost

Indian Muslims can do as they please but they have a right to defend themselves against your brethen and Jihad in terms of self defence is very valid for Kashmiris against Indian terrorist soldiers. Get lost, lol are you 10?

 

[CricketCartoons]

Indian hindus have woken up from their deep slumber and the cultural decay is being reversed. They are easily the most martial people in the subcontinent, followed closely by pathans and then gurkhas.

 

[troodon]

lol. These arent your mates from Israel with guns aiming at Palestinian children. The only similarity is these extremists are also cowards but come in numbers with sticks against one person.

Not all Indian police are against victims, the government is but the police can consist of Muslims too. You are just making up scenarios in your head while Im basing my views on actual footage.

If you are scared due to your past, I understand but dont judge others.

Here, 2 Muslims took on a large mob. Sure it;s the UK but most they didn't show fear, once you do its over.

I love how the blond racist idiot girl was nicely taken out. _

That guy punched the woman. Very brave of him.

They were not fighting 60 EDL men. 2 Muslim men were fighting 1 EDL Man and 1 EDL woman.

You seem to be supporting the violent approach to solve issues.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Yes of course Modi was exonerated by the Indian courts, much in the same way supposed terrorists are exonerated by Pakistani courts. A point well made joshila bhai!

Problem is that same terrorists are on UN list.

Modi faces no cases anywhere. All this calling him terrorist is limited to online forums.

 

[BreadPakoda]

That guy punched the woman. Very brave of him.

They were not fighting 60 EDL men. 2 Muslim men were fighting 1 EDL Man and 1 EDL woman.

You seem to be supporting the violent approach to solve issues.

People will support violence when it suits them.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Problem is that same terrorists are on UN list.

Modi faces no cases anywhere. All this calling him terrorist is limited to online forums.

Pakistan's courts are run according to Pakistan's definitions of law and justice. Perhaps you feel India should bow to UN authority and definitions, if you agree then say here and I will reassess my opinion on Pakistan's position. Otherwise quit pushing hypocritical views.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Pakistan's courts are run according to Pakistan's definitions of law and justice. Perhaps you feel India should bow to UN authority and definitions, if you agree then say here and I will reassess my opinion on Pakistan's position. Otherwise quit pushing hypocritical views.

There are global laws on terrorism and pakistan is legally bound to follow them. Anyone on unsc list for terrorism has to be punished by every member nation.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

There are global laws on terrorism and pakistan is legally bound to follow them. Anyone on unsc list for terrorism has to be punished by every member nation.

So has Pakistan been punished for not adhering to global laws for terrorism?

 

[Adijazz1706]

There are global laws on terrorism and pakistan is legally bound to follow them. Anyone on unsc list for terrorism has to be punished by every member nation.

What are these laws and what happens if you fail to comply withthem? The US empty threats towards Pakistan didn't work and they now work with Pakistan wrt Afghanistan as they did before, so how has Pakistan been punished for violating these laws.

 

[cricketjoshila]

So has Pakistan been punished for not adhering to global laws for terrorism?

FATF grey list. Have you heard about it?