Why drop Faheem Ashraf after sticking with him for two years?

[Mean&Green]

Yes I know looking at the title of this thread you will say is the OP out of his mind that faheem totally deserved to be dropped. I totally agree his performances have been mediocre and never merited a place in the side. But to be honest no team in the world sticks with a potential all rounder for over two years and than drop him right before a major tournament. I have no problems with him being dropped but why drop him when you’ve stuck with him for over two years. We all could see how mediocre he was after a handful of matches, he should have been dropped over a year ago. On another note he’s done better than Amir as well and i would have taken him over wahab any day of the week with my eyes closed.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Pretty much has lived off 1 good performance in a warm up game vs bangladesh. His batting is in reality no better than that of a tail ender. His bowling really just there to get through an alloated quota. Indeed should have been dropped a while ago.

 

[Hasan123]

Because they realised he was rubbish.

 

[Gladiators]

He wasn't offering anything. I like Faheem, and hope he has a part to play with the team, but today, as we approach the World Cup deadline, Inzi did the right thing. We won't get those two years of investment back, whether we keep him in the side or not. The decision has to be about what gives us the best chance to win this tournament, not what 'investment' has been made in a player.

 

[topspin]

I know right we should have invested in him for another 10 years until he's specialist captain.

 

[unemployedgm]

Faheem Ashraf was rightly selected because specifically in the PSL he had demonstrated an ability to in both technical sides of the game. Unfortunately picking a player in a vacuum is not enough. There has to be multiple development tracks you must consider.

1. How are we going to integrate this player into the XI? Ashraf mostly operated as a 3rd Seamer and a Lower Order Hitter.

2. How are you going to develop his skills during tours and outside of tours?

3. How will you facilitate his development in domestic cricket?

The combination of Chief Selector, Head Coach, and Captain have done nothing to suggest that these questions are even considerations in their thinking. Faheem's dropping is an indictment on our system and the lack of sensible and process driven discourse in our cricket.

 

[Markhor]

You have to cut your losses at some point.

 

[Savak]

The logic baffles me, so just because you invested in a guy means you have to stick with him forever? Nope, the team and the country comes first, Faheem had been given enough chances and was not offering anything with the ball or bat, The team management did the right thing by discarding him and getting someone else in.

 

[Cric1234]

Maybe because he's bowling like an opening batsman and batting like a no11 in recent matches.

 

[Green Patriot]

Dair ayad durust ayad. (Better late than never)
Sure they realized it late but once they did they can't possibly keep playing him just because they didnt realize early.
That totally defies logic.

 

[Sherlock]

He lived off that warm up game v Bangladesh, and people still bring that up every-time he doesn't perform.

 

[MMHS]

They picked him on potential & try out a new player. Then must have read the Faheem V Pandeya thread (particularly first few pages), so carried on trusting him. Unfortunately, for Faheem, they now have noticed the trend of that thread and after last few pages .... no way but had to drop him.

That’s the only explanation I can find - otherwise a player with 2 decades of international career or a coach with 3 decades of coaching career can’t be so naive for 2 years!!!!!

 

[gazza619]

Because it is a season of the U-turn

On a serious note it was fine to let him go. His batting was beyond poor.

 

[hitthestump]

His batting let him down a lot more than his bowling - Faheem was supposed to be a number 8 but that was definitely way too high for him. Kid needs to work harder on being a lower order finisher who can contribute an economical 7-8 overs a game rather than being the new ball bowler. Not sure why he was ever thrown the new ball tbh.

 

[IAJ]

Early on he used to bat straight, but he just ended up being a leg-side slogger, a poor one too.

 

[Mean&Green]

The logic baffles me, so just because you invested in a guy means you have to stick with him forever? Nope, the team and the country comes first, Faheem had been given enough chances and was not offering anything with the ball or bat, The team management did the right thing by discarding him and getting someone else in.

Of course you are right but why replace him with more mediocrity like wahab, who has the worst bowling figures in the history of the game and who lived off a over rated spell for over three years couldn’t win us a single game is a TTF. I would have replaced him with someone like Rauf or Muhammad Musa yes I know experience but experience is useless if you never had the skill proof is mr malik

 

[Bilal7]

Faheem Ashraf is currently not one of the 15 best players in Pakistan. It is as simple as that. The investment is not wasted; he's not a certified failure and he will definitely be a part of our plans moving forward.

 

[chacha kashmiri]

His batting is a lot worse than wahab’s Unfortunately
And his haircut also seems to have taken some spice out of his bowling

 

[Mean&Green]

His batting is a lot worse than wahab’s Unfortunately
And his haircut also seems to have taken some spice out of his bowling

Lol I ageee with that but I saw his Snapchat he said he’s losing hair he’s gone bald and bare acne too maybe he’s lost bowling form with the loss of hair

 

[chacha kashmiri]

Lol I ageee with that but I saw his Snapchat he said he’s losing hair he’s gone bald and bare acne too maybe he’s lost bowling form with the loss of hair

I suppose we all have our insecurities
He doesn’t seem to be the same character he was in the PSL by any stretch of the imagination

 

[PakLFC]

Coz Faheem does nothing at all. He takes no wickets and scores no runs. Is a complete waste of space on the field.

 

[Kashmiri_Pak_fan]

Pretty much has lived off 1 good performance in a warm up game vs bangladesh. His batting is in reality no better than that of a tail ender. His bowling really just there to get through an alloated quota. Indeed should have been dropped a while ago.

Possibly, you have forget his two fifties in england tests.

 

[The_Odd_One]

It’s not the end of world for Faheem. He’s just 25 and has a lot of time for improvement. He can still come back as a better cricketer and play the next World Cup.

I blame his failure on him and the team management. He was always the 3rd or 4th pacer. Yet, some genius kept on using him as opening bowler. The same mistake ruined Anwar Ali’s career. You do not see England opening the bowling with Stokes or India with Pandya because they understand the role of each player. Faheem was on par with rest of the specialist bowlers for most of the time but he was unfortunate to open the bowling in England. Any pacer would have done poorly in those conditions. No wonder, Junaid got dropped and Shaheen went for over 8 runs in every game.

Faheem just couldn’t show anything with bat that caused his exclusion. He was way too selfless for a team like Pakistan which is full of selfish players. He tried to hit from ball one and ended up failing every time. Had he spent some more time on the crease, he would have done enough to keep his place.

As I said before, it’s not the end for Faheem unlike Junaid. He still offers a lot in T20s and I don’t think he’s completely out of plans in the future.

 

[moghul]

It was a failed investment, at least we realized this before a mega event. Lets invest on some other promising youngster now.

 

[moghul]

Some players are paid too much for one time performance. Faheem got two year's free ticket for one good performance against some lowly team and before him Hmmad Azam was given a very long rope based on his performance in under 19 WC SF against India some 10 years ago.

 

[Mean&Green]

Some players are paid too much for one time performance. Faheem got two year's free ticket for one good performance against some lowly team and before him Hmmad Azam was given a very long rope based on his performance in under 19 WC SF against India some 10 years ago.

Honestly it’s so sad these players perform in u19 and domestic level but as soon as they come to intl cricket they are so mediocre and look worst than club cricketers. But when I saw hammad azam this PSL he was still like 27 Lol which is weird cause he was like 22 or 23 in the 2012 series against England he last played against

 

[Mean&Green]

It’s not the end of world for Faheem. He’s just 25 and has a lot of time for improvement. He can still come back as a better cricketer and play the next World Cup.

I blame his failure on him and the team management. He was always the 3rd or 4th pacer. Yet, some genius kept on using him as opening bowler. The same mistake ruined Anwar Ali’s career. You do not see England opening the bowling with Stokes or India with Pandya because they understand the role of each player. Faheem was on par with rest of the specialist bowlers for most of the time but he was unfortunate to open the bowling in England. Any pacer would have done poorly in those conditions. No wonder, Junaid got dropped and Shaheen went for over 8 runs in every game.

Faheem just couldn’t show anything with bat that caused his exclusion. He was way too selfless for a team like Pakistan which is full of selfish players. He tried to hit from ball one and ended up failing every time. Had he spent some more time on the crease, he would have done enough to keep his place.

As I said before, it’s not the end for Faheem unlike Junaid. He still offers a lot in T20s and I don’t think he’s completely out of plans in the future.

Exactly this is it. When people blame Babar for a poor strike rate they forget it’s this dumb team management that’s given him a role to hold the innings together that’s why he plays slow. Same with Asif Ali his role is to hit from ball one as his faheems. But with faheem I saw him in an interview it doesn’t matter to him if he gets out the next ball he just wants to hit the bowler for a six that is so childish and tape ball thinking.

 

[The Viper]

He was picked on potential and a pace bowling allrounder is valuable to team composition. He was given plenty of chances but unfortunately couldn’t provide any meaningful contributions. A real shame because he looks like a different player in PSL even though the format is different.

 

[Bilal Ahmad15]

Everyone calls Faheem an all-rounder but the thing is he can''t bat and bowl well enough. They have probably been investing in him for two years due to his good PSL performances and before playing for Pakistan, he made an big cameo innings of 71* in a List A match for an islamabad List A team (plus the innings against Bangladesh in CT practice match) but now, he should be dropped for good even after wc.

 

[Salman4.]

It’s not the end of world for Faheem. He’s just 25 and has a lot of time for improvement. He can still come back as a better cricketer and play the next World Cup.

I blame his failure on him and the team management. He was always the 3rd or 4th pacer. Yet, some genius kept on using him as opening bowler. The same mistake ruined Anwar Ali’s career. You do not see England opening the bowling with Stokes or India with Pandya because they understand the role of each player. Faheem was on par with rest of the specialist bowlers for most of the time but he was unfortunate to open the bowling in England. Any pacer would have done poorly in those conditions. No wonder, Junaid got dropped and Shaheen went for over 8 runs in every game.

Faheem just couldn’t show anything with bat that caused his exclusion. He was way too selfless for a team like Pakistan which is full of selfish players. He tried to hit from ball one and ended up failing every time. Had he spent some more time on the crease, he would have done enough to keep his place.

As I said before, it’s not the end for Faheem unlike Junaid. He still offers a lot in T20s and I don’t think he’s completely out of plans in the future.

Faheem takes singles in the 48th over, I am sure that is so selfless.

 

[Captain caveman]

As per small print : investments can go down as well as up!

 

[Justcrazy]

His batting has been issue.

If he is trying to play as a pure bowler , he is not better than others who are on bench.

 

[Maliq_Mudasir]

Who told you investment can't go wrong?

The word investment has always risk in it.

 

[Nasty Naz]

lol it's not like he will ever play for this team again but when a player ain't playing well, it doesn't make any sense to keep persisting when that player has shown zero signs of adjustments or improving.

 

[Captain caveman]

lol it's not like he will ever play for this team again but when a player ain't playing well, it doesn't make any sense to keep persisting when that player has shown zero signs of adjustments or improving.

Oh he will be back after the wc provided mickey is still incharge.

 

[Suleiman]

He’s a backyard or gully cricketer. Batting and bowling skills akin to a steaming pile of trash.

Inzi the great handpicked him 2 years ago and everybody was baffled then as we are baffled now.

 

[Sunny_majoka]

PCB has a habit of investing in rubbish cricketers.
ahmad shehzad
umar akmal
sohaib maqsood

 

[Captain caveman]

PCB has a habit of investing in rubbish cricketers.
ahmad shehzad
umar akmal
sohaib maqsood

If only they had invested in umar akmal, we could of had a modern day world class batsman instead of the 90s type batsman we have now.
Umar was unfairly dropped from the test team for shafiq and chucked in the odi team as a lower order hitter, to make up for all the tuk tuk players in the team. If only we had invested in umar akmal.

 

[Sunny_majoka]

If only they had invested in umar akmal, we could of had a modern day world class batsman instead of the 90s type batsman we have now.
Umar was unfairly dropped from the test team for shafiq and chucked in the odi team as a lower order hitter, to make up for all the tuk tuk players in the team. If only we had invested in umar akmal.

these 90 type of batsmen are way better than this brainless uneducated cricketer.
PCB has given him more than enough chances...

 

[Mean&Green]

PCB has a habit of investing in rubbish cricketers.
ahmad shehzad
umar akmal
sohaib maqsood

Except Shoaib maqsood, shehzad and Umar akmal have won us games they just couldn’t stay cause of other stupid controversies that mqasood guy is plain rubbish

 

[ali2220]

Why? because he didn't turn out to be Klusener, something which Mickey for fantasizing. Faheem remained below average with the ball, and with the bat he's totally useless.Hassan ali,Aamer,Wahab all can bat better than Faheem.

 

[Sunny_majoka]

Except Shoaib maqsood, shehzad and Umar akmal have won us games they just couldn’t stay cause of other stupid controversies that mqasood guy is plain rubbish

can't recall games that you are talking about other than one or two.

 

[Captain caveman]

these 90 type of batsmen are way better than this brainless uneducated cricketer.
PCB has given him more than enough chances...

Junior has definetly got issues, but good professional bodies manage potential star players and dont throw them out of test teams, especially not when as a 19 year old you smash bond, mitchel johnson and broad and anderson , on the their home patch, all over the ground. These curr

 

[Captain caveman]

Junior has definetly got issues, but good professional bodies manage potential star players and dont throw them out of test teams, especially not when as a 19 year old you smash bond, mitchel johnson and broad and anderson , on the their home patch, all over the ground. These curr

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These current tuk tuk players are world class as oppose to previous tuk tuk players but imam, babar and haris sohail, cannot just rely on fakhar, hafeez and asif ali to up the run rate to win against the top teams. If umar was managed properly, we could have played 2 of these world class tuk tuk players and had modern batsman such as fakhar and umar to counrer their tuk tuk.

 

[saeedhk]

Beacuse he is garbage, that's why. Simple as that.

 

[saeedhk]

Some people are makig it look like Faheem had an amazing start to his international career and worsened recently. That's wrong. He didn't even have an averrage start. That 30m boundary warm up game hurt Pakistan badly. They thought he was Abdul Razzaq 2.0. He was rubbish from the start but PSL helped him. In international cricket, he was crap since his debut.

 

[Slim]

You have to cut your losses at some point.

This.

Never liked Faheem. Always considered him an absolute fraud. He was living off his performance in a warm up against the Bangla boys.

 

[Mean&Green]

can't recall games that you are talking about other than one or two.

T20s in England against Australia vs Australia in 2011 World Cup vs Sri Lanka in dambulla he’s won more but these are some I can recall well ok you can take ahehzad out as well I forgot what he’s won for us but he has performed for us

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

What else are you supposed to do when your investment keeps giving you losses?

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

His bowling looks a lot better when there is something in the pitch, but then you could say that about any pace bowler. I think his reputation got enhanced with a couple of performances where the ball was seaming a bit. On these dead tracks you need something a bit extra.

 

[Junaids]

He is a Test player, not an ODI one.

His role in tests is to come in at 8, below Shadab, and score 50-60 runs per test, but also to bowl 12 economical overs per day to keep the 3 main quick bowlers fresher and faster.

He should hope to play 50 Tests and end up with:

150 wickets at 35.
3000 runs at 30.

 

[hadi123]

He's rubbish in LOI's unfortunately. Can't reallly do good with the bat in the situations which he normally will come in. Not really a threatening bowler either. I think he has potential in Tests though. He has been awful for us in white ball cricket for a very long time. Time to cut our losses eventually.

It's a bit like being in a relationship for 3 years, then the girl cheats on you and then asking "Why did he dump his girlfriend after sticking with her for 3 years?" Right decision to drop Faheem