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Why has India never had a Muslim Prime Minister or Army Chief?

Indian democracy has been hailed by many world leaders.Imran is only one of them.

Gosh alright man, I lose. This argument keeps getting lamer by the minute.

India is the world's best democracy, secular country and champion of minorities. There, I said it.

It was just a simple question but this thread has been twisted into some kind of conspiracy to expose India's non-secular practices.
 
ohk, I suppose a ruling party MNA lied in national assembly of pakistan. Dr Ramesh Kumar told NA that 5000 Hindus migrate to India every year. he must be lying

https://www.dawn.com/news/1105830

Hindus are persecuted lot..talking in their support is a sin and you get branded as intolerant hindu extremist. We are so used to the normalization of bigotry against hindus..we are used to opening our mouth when someone wants to spit.
 
Show me where it says that "We've deported/expelled/thrown out 5,000 Hindus every year"

aa haa, gotcha, tell me where we have stopped Muslims to become PM of our country. they just voluntarily give away their right. :)
 
Societies have their rules.Some have rules like no bachelor tenants.Some no non veg cooking allowed and so on.

Many non muslims wont rent or sell their houses to muslims because they fear beef will be cooked there.Many societies will also enforce such rules.


Its so convenient that PPers always have that Indian friend who is complaining.

Look, I don't get why you get so offended with everything. What I stated has some truth to it. I'm all okay for home owners not wanting a particular kind of tenant. Are you somehow suggesting that Muslims don't have a hard time buying properties in India? and that's buying not renting.
 
Hindus are persecuted lot..talking in their support is a sin and you get branded as intolerant hindu extremist. We are so used to the normalization of bigotry against hindus..we are used to opening our mouth when someone wants to spit.

Tell that to the Kashmiris and we'll see who's the persecuted lot.

Such forced victim mentality isn't gonna find any sympathy from anyone.
 
Look, I don't get why you get so offended with everything. What I stated has some truth to it. I'm all okay for home owners not wanting a particular kind of tenant. Are you somehow suggesting that Muslims don't have a hard time buying properties in India? and that's buying not renting.

Forget common Muslims, even some Muslim Bollywood actors have had a hard time as well.
 
Tell that to the Kashmiris and we'll see who's the persecuted lot.

Such forced victim mentality isn't gonna find any sympathy from anyone.

Kashmiris are persecuted, but not like the hindus have been.. forced victim mentality? If you are sympathetic for a few millions of kashmiris for their birthright of homeland, you should be even more suportive of almost a billion hindus for their well deserved homeland.

We had thousands of our temples demolished and converted into mosques..we cant have even one back. Thank you for calling us fake victims and mocking our genocide.
 
Forget common Muslims, even some Muslim Bollywood actors have had a hard time as well.

Dont know why the bollywood stars are even remaining in india, when they have the wealth and means to go to any country where they are not oppressed. Perhaps they like ruling us hindus..which seems to be their birthright.
 
Kashmiris are persecuted, but not like the hindus have been.. forced victim mentality? If you are sympathetic for a few millions of kashmiris for their birthright of homeland, you should be even more suportive of almost a billion hindus for their well deserved homeland.

We had thousands of our temples demolished and converted into mosques..we cant have even one back. Thank you for calling us fake victims and mocking our genocide.

Where is this "genocide" documented?

Hindus already have their homeland. I literally have no idea what you're trying to say here.
 
Tell that to the Kashmiris and we'll see who's the persecuted lot.

Such forced victim mentality isn't gonna find any sympathy from anyone.

Now resort to Whatabutary
did I say that you are islamic republic and you can't question our secularism?
way bring Kashmir? even if we are cruel in Kashmir(let's assume) that still doesn't make Pakistan good to its minorities.
 
Where is this "genocide" documented?

Hindus already have their homeland. I literally have no idea what you're trying to say here.

Which country is Hindus homeland? You had two nations created which are based on Islam. Where is country based on Hinduism? Why did a Sikh rule us for 10 years? Why can't we get back one temple..just one?
 
Dont know why the bollywood stars are even remaining in india, when they have the wealth and means to go to any country where they are not oppressed. Perhaps they like ruling us hindus..which seems to be their birthright.

Yet Hindus are so naive that they keep on watching and wasting money on these stars' movies.
Plz take this lame argument somewhere else. Its getting ridiculous.

Two Nation theory very fittingly applies on your type of mindset.
 
Which country is Hindus homeland? You had two nations created which are based on Islam. Where is country based on Hinduism? Why did a Sikh rule us for 10 years? Why can't we get back one temple..just one?

Didn't the Indians vote for him?

I thought India was the best "democracy"
 
Yet Hindus are so naive that they keep on watching and wasting money on these stars' movies.
Plz take this lame argument somewhere else. Its getting ridiculous.

Two Nation theory very fittingly applies on your type of mindset.

What do you mean..that TNT applies only to people with some mindset? I thought it applied to all Muslims and Hindus..They are natural enemies and can't be trusted to even be neighbours in a mohalla.
 
What do you mean..that TNT applies only to people with some mindset? I thought it applied to all Muslims and Hindus..They are natural enemies and can't be trusted to even be neighbours in a mohalla.

What I meant was that the Two Nation theory only becomes more valid due to your type of mindset.

Twist it any way you like, truth is, I'm glad partition happened.
 
Didn't the Indians vote for him?

I thought India was the best "democracy"
Yes, because our constitution is not based on our faith..like Pakistan's is based on Islam..and wants a sadiq and ameen muslim to occupy the highest position.. our rulers robbed us and pushed our glorious religion away from constitution.. I think you are mistaking me with CJ..I denounce the indian constitution as anti hindu.
 
What do you mean..that TNT applies only to people with some mindset? I thought it applied to all Muslims and Hindus..They are natural enemies and can't be trusted to even be neighbours in a mohalla.
TNT only apply when Muslims want separate state, not for Hindus
 
What I meant was that the Two Nation theory only becomes more valid due to your type of mindset.

Twist it any way you like, truth is, I'm glad partition happened.

I have always been on record that Partition was good for Muslims (those who migrated), and I support their right to a homeland. My problem is that we hindus didnt get our own homeland. So yeah..I envy you, and you can always rub that in.
 
TNT only apply when Muslims want separate state, not for Hindus

Did I stop you from getting your own separate state?

Besides, you already have a homeland mate.
Own up to it instead of being ungrateful. Its called "Hindustan" for a reason.
 
What I meant was that the Two Nation theory only becomes more valid due to your type of mindset.

Twist it any way you like, truth is, I'm glad partition happened.

then why don't you give a piece of land to Pakistani Hindus and let them have their homeland? why do they "voluntarily " have to migrate ?
 
Did I stop you from getting your own separate state?

Besides, you already have a homeland mate.
Own up to it instead of being ungrateful. Its called "Hindustan" for a reason.

Hindu in Hindustan means land next to Indus river, this name way given by Arabs. even allama Iqbal said "Hindi hai hum, vatan hai Hindustan hamara, sare jahan SE achha...."
why don't you grab a book?
 
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[MENTION=136588]CricketCartoons[/MENTION] is making a lot of sense here actually.

With the partition, Muslims got what they wanted which was a Muslim country with Islam as the state religion and a law which prohibits any non Muslim to occupy the highest offices like the Prime Minister. On the other hand, Hindus were never consulted on what kind of a country they wanted after partition - A religion neutral constitution or one which recognized Hinduism as the state religion and granted it special privileges. That's something political parties on both sides of the political spectrum have been exploiting ever since by their hollow promises to achieve their vote banks and unsolicited support to retain and regain power. This is a historical wrong which could have been prevented.
 
then why don't you give a piece of land to Pakistani Hindus and let them have their homeland? why do they "voluntarily " have to migrate ?

Because they CHOSE to come to PAKISTAN. NO ONE FORCED THEM TO DO SO. Therefore its their choice to migrate to India.

Keep it simple :)
 
Did I stop you from getting your own separate state?

Besides, you already have a homeland mate.
Own up to it instead of being ungrateful. Its called "Hindustan" for a reason.

My fortunate friend ( ex master) whom I am jealous of.. we are trying to own up this land by not electing a muslim PM. So why are questioning us. As regards to the secular label..we have to get rid of that too. Hopefully then we can meet as equals.
 
Hindu in Hindustan means land next to Indus river, this name way given by Arabs. even allama Iqbal said "Hindi hai hum, vatan hai Hindustan hamara, sare jahan SE achha...."
why don't you grab a book?

Don't dodge my questions mate.

Respond to them 1st instead of delving into origin of who coined "Hindustan" and how it was coined.
 
My fortunate friend ( ex master) whom I am jealous of.. we are trying to own up this land by not electing a muslim PM. So why are questioning us. As regards to the secular label..we have to get rid of that too. Hopefully then we can meet as equals.

And that, ladies and gentlemen, was my purpose for coming here.

Thank You very much. Now let me watch PAK vs SL.
 
Because they CHOSE to come to PAKISTAN. NO ONE FORCED THEM TO DO SO. Therefore its their choice to migrate to India.

Keep it simple :)

lo ji, Hindus choose to "come" to Pakistan, they were not born there, neither their ancestors ever lived on the land called Pakistan today
 
Don't dodge my questions mate.

Respond to them 1st instead of delving into origin of who coined "Hindustan" and how it was coined.

Hindustan has nothing to do with Religion.
a conversation many centuries ago:
a river named sind
arab: let's call it hind
what should be that land called
arab: Hindustan
who live there
arab: Hindus
what Religion they follow
arab: don't know, Hinduism?

in reality that Religion is snatan dharma.
 
We aren't forcing anyone to be "secular". Just be original that's all :)

This is a response from an Indian muslim

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Look, I don't get why you get so offended with everything. What I stated has some truth to it. I'm all okay for home owners not wanting a particular kind of tenant. Are you somehow suggesting that Muslims don't have a hard time buying properties in India? and that's buying not renting.

Muslims or non vegeterians face similar issues in buying a house in any building or locality where almost everyone is a vegeterian.Things are exaggerated in places like Maharashtra( Mumbai mainly)or Gujarat where the number of vegeterians are more.

Most buildings or gated communities have associations who hold a lot of sway over vetting of a buyer. Eating habits, maritial status, job profile, pets, etc all play a role in deciding if a person gets a house or not.

Some orthodox hindus wont sell a house to a muslim because he would have done Griha Puja and if the muslim guy cooks beef then seller will incur paap.

Lots of things associated with eating habits.
 
Muslims or non vegeterians face similar issues in buying a house in any building or locality where almost everyone is a vegeterian.Things are exaggerated in places like Maharashtra( Mumbai mainly)or Gujarat where the number of vegeterians are more.

Most buildings or gated communities have associations who hold a lot of sway over vetting of a buyer. Eating habits, maritial status, job profile, pets, etc all play a role in deciding if a person gets a house or not.

Some orthodox hindus wont sell a house to a muslim because he would have done Griha Puja and if the muslim guy cooks beef then seller will incur paap.

Lots of things associated with eating habits.

It is actually continued oppression of hindus, that they are expected to bend over and rent their property to meat khors. The tenant is never called intolerant for refusing to forego his meat diet..but the poor vegetarian landlord is declared as intolerant because he only wants to adhere by his faith of no meat on his property. The hindu must give and keep giving otherwise be ready to be mocked and insulted.
 
Because subcontinental muslims have two homelands, and at any particular moment, there 2 out of 3 PMs are muslims. You want it to be 3/3? Then what was the need of partition?

What happens in Pakistan or Bangladesh is not India's concern. Indians Muslims are not affected by the PMs of Pakistan or Bangladesh but they certainly are affected by the PM of India.

Mughals tried to destroy hinduism or sikhism just that most of the followers didnot give in.Some did and got converted.Many were killed.But those who stood, their descendants are the hindus and sikhs of the SC today.

No, they did not. Read a book, please.

because he believes in 2 nation theory, he believes Hindus and Muslims cannot live together and are natural enemies, and after 1000 years of Muslim rule(by native Muslims) it's hindu's turn, and they should have a proper Hindu homeland.
sound quite similar to founding principals of certain countries. isn't it?

Well, he's quite late to the party. I doubt "the biggest democracy in the world" will end up splitting in half because Hindus want a separate homeland.

I can go on and add many many more, these are not isolated incidents, you seem quite unaware of mughal atrocities.
kids of age 7 and 9 offend ruling government.
9th Sikh guru who wanted Kashmiri pandits not to be converted forcefully also offended Aurangzeb, he along with his companions were executed.
kill religious leaders and them name it isolated incidents.

This theory of Mughal emperors being fanatics who wanted to destroy Hinduism has been debunked by so many respected scholars and historians that it amazes me people like you are still propagating these lies. Aurangzeb had more Hindu ministers in his court than Akbar did and the temples he destroyed were because they were being used to plot rebellions. Unless you're telling me that no Hindus or temples were found in India after the glorious Mughal empire fell, your propaganda is weak.

You tell me. Why do some want 3-0 for muslims? And if you dont want that then please excuse, as I am talking about those greedy ones who want all 3 SC countries to be ruled by muslims despite having their own homeland.

I'm a Canadian. It doesn't really affect me either way. Looking forward to a Muslim PM in Canada, more than anywhere else.
 
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Hindustan has nothing to do with Religion.
a conversation many centuries ago:
a river named sind
arab: let's call it hind
what should be that land called
arab: Hindustan
who live there
arab: Hindus
what Religion they follow
arab: don't know, Hinduism?

in reality that Religion is snatan dharma.

This is true. Although the people were called "Hindi" by the Arabs as well, but that was later changed up a little bit.

My fortunate friend ( ex master) whom I am jealous of.. we are trying to own up this land by not electing a muslim PM. So why are questioning us. As regards to the secular label..we have to get rid of that too. Hopefully then we can meet as equals.

Thank you for being honest.
 
What happens in Pakistan or Bangladesh is not India's concern. Indians Muslims are not affected by the PMs of Pakistan or Bangladesh but they certainly are affected by the PM of India.
Will you Tell that to those who want muslim PM in India, that what happens in India is not their concern? If yes, do that now. If no, tell us why.

I'm a Canadian. It doesn't really affect me either way. Looking forward to a Muslim PM in Canada, more than anywhere else.
Are you telling me the oppression or welfare of muslims outside canada doesn't affect you either way? That is your choice.
 
What happens in Pakistan or Bangladesh is not India's concern. Indians Muslims are not affected by the PMs of Pakistan or Bangladesh but they certainly are affected by the PM of India.

Yes and they have votes that help decide who becomes PM of India. Since you are not affected by who becomes Indian PM, why are you bothered?
No, they did not. Read a book, please.

Please read a few books and not one book.Then you will know about the religious persecution of Mughals.

Well, he's quite late to the party. I doubt "the biggest democracy in the world" will end up splitting in half because Hindus want a separate homeland.

why will the country split? Esp. why in half if hindus make up 80% of the population.

This theory of Mughal emperors being fanatics who wanted to destroy Hinduism has been debunked by so many respected scholars and historians that it amazes me people like you are still propagating these lies. Aurangzeb had more Hindu ministers in his court than Akbar did and the temples he destroyed were because they were being used to plot rebellions. Unless you're telling me that no Hindus or temples were found in India after the glorious Mughal empire fell, your propaganda is weak.

Mughal emperors persecuted non muslims and destroyed many temples.Thats a fact that has been accepted by many historians.History is a changing subject because of new discoveries.

Its a nice excuse that, temples were centers of plotting rebellions. Aurangzeb destroyed temples in Varanasi, the resulting mosque is still there,hindus built a temple later on an adjacent plot after fall of Mughals.He destroyed the temple at Mathura and the resulting mosque is there, hindus built a temple adjacent to it. He destroyed the Somnath Temple, which was finally rebuilt after independence of India. The absence of a Hindu Temple at Ayodhya while a mosque exists on the hillock at the most prominent part of the city is another example.

I only gave examples of the major pilgrimage places of Hindus where Mughals destroyed temples.There may be innumerable temples that were destroyed that were built at not so prominent places.

Unless you're telling me that no Hindus or temples were found in India after the glorious Mughal empire fell, your propaganda is weak.

You will be hard pressed to find big grand intact temples older than the mughal period in gangetic plains in India.But the moment you to Odisha and further south you will find grand temples built way back in 8th or 10th century.Reason being the less number of years that part of India was under direct rule of delhi sultans and the fact local rulers held a lot of sway there so many ancient big temples are intact.

I dont need propoganda. The fact that medieval muslim rulers persecuted religious minorities anywhere they went is a known fact.At most places they were able to convert the entire native population and but they failed in India.

I'm a Canadian. It doesn't really affect me either way. Looking forward to a Muslim PM in Canada, more than anywhere else.

Good Luck with that.
 
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Sorry, Just because a homeland was denied to my people, I am not going to support that for others..Minorities, especially muslims, should get their homeland.. no fault of theirs that they decided to stay back in india instead of the promised land. That is why Partition 2.0. Fair deal..


This has got to be the most ridiculous thing I've heard. I keep telling myself to not feed the troll but somehow im just alarmed by you're ignorance and stupidity.

You keep mentioning Muslims should leave which is pretty racist. What about the other minorities like jains, parsi's, Christians, budhists etc etc who are Indians. Should they also leave or carve a piece of India for themselves and split. What youre suggesting is breaking up the core fundamentalist makeup of what India stands for and be another Bangladesh or Pakistan and make all their policies around one religion. Youre suggestion is is almost frighteningly a akin to a mass genocide which isn't going to happen. Im also kinda hopeful and glad that people with youre extremist ideas are not the majority....
 
This has got to be the most ridiculous thing I've heard. I keep telling myself to not feed the troll but somehow im just alarmed by you're ignorance and stupidity.

You keep mentioning Muslims should leave which is pretty racist. What about the other minorities like jains, parsi's, Christians, budhists etc etc who are Indians. Should they also leave or carve a piece of India for themselves and split. What youre suggesting is breaking up the core fundamentalist makeup of what India stands for and be another Bangladesh or Pakistan and make all their policies around one religion. Youre suggestion is is almost frighteningly a akin to a mass genocide which isn't going to happen. Im also kinda hopeful and glad that people with youre extremist ideas are not the majority....


I am saying that Hindus and Muslims are incompatible and not fit to live together. How is that racist? That is a truth. I don't want muslim to live as second class citizens in a hindu rashtra and want a new homeland for them. How is that racist?

Anyway, if you just want to troll, then don't expect replies. I only engage with sincere people.
 
Well, he's quite late to the party. I doubt "the biggest democracy in the world" will end up splitting in half because Hindus want a separate homeland. .

that's his wish, not all Hindus. btw his wishes sound quite similar to founding members of Pakistan, just like them, CC also doesn't want any non hindu to rule hindus

This theory of Mughal emperors being fanatics who wanted to destroy Hinduism has been debunked by so many respected scholars and historians that it amazes me people like you are still propagating these lies. Aurangzeb had more Hindu ministers in his court than Akbar did and the temples he destroyed were because they were being used to plot rebellions. Unless you're telling me that no Hindus or temples were found in India after the glorious Mughal empire fell, your propaganda is weak..


modi also have Muslim ministers, Kashmiris are still Muslim, so until all kasmiri Muslims are converted to Hindu, you have no morol right to cry foul on Kashmir issue.

do you realize that Sikh guru is to Sikhism, what Jesus is to Christianity, what Prophet Mohammed is to Islam.
and when someone kill such big figure, kill his kids, it is quite amazing that some People still think mughal did not try to destroy other religions.
 
The British Media didnt call Modi a bigot nor did they say he is ineligible to hold office.The British Media hasnt questioned Indias secularism or democracy.Some British Pakistanis on PP have been doing that.Twisting media coverage to suit their narrative.

Now you are changing direction again. After your ill advised attempt to bring Churchill into the debate to suggest the British media were biased, now you are flipping once again to suggest British Pakistanis are twisiting the media. Do you even read the British newspapers that you could make such an assumption? This is a baseless accusation being presented as fact when in fact once again it is no more than wilful propaganda which you won't be able to back up with substance. If you can, then feel free to do so.
 
This is a response from an Indian muslim

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How's that related to my statement?

Oh and btw I'd repeat the exact same words used by Musharraf tbvh.
 
Now you are changing direction again. After your ill advised attempt to bring Churchill into the debate to suggest the British media were biased, now you are flipping once again to suggest British Pakistanis are twisiting the media. Do you even read the British newspapers that you could make such an assumption? This is a baseless accusation being presented as fact when in fact once again it is no more than wilful propaganda which you won't be able to back up with substance. If you can, then feel free to do so.

So media cant be biased or wrong?You sure about that?

I have read online versions of British medua outlets.They dont call Modi genocidal or bigot or question Indian democracy or secularism or Indian publics right to elect their leader, at least majority dont.
 
So media cant be biased or wrong?You sure about that?

I have read online versions of British medua outlets.They dont call Modi genocidal or bigot or question Indian democracy or secularism or Indian publics right to elect their leader, at least majority dont.

All of them portray Modi as leader of a right wing party with links to even more extreme wings such as RSS. It's common knowledge, you can spin it any way you want. Although why you would want to deny it I don't know. Perhaps CrticketCartoons is right, too many of you are ashamed of your own culture and don't want to publicly admit your admiration for someone who stands up for Hindutva ideals.
 
All of them portray Modi as leader of a right wing party with links to even more extreme wings such as RSS. It's common knowledge, you can spin it any way you want. Although why you would want to deny it I don't know. Perhaps CrticketCartoons is right, too many of you are ashamed of your own culture and don't want to publicly admit your admiration for someone who stands up for Hindutva ideals.

Let me tell you something, Right Wing or Hindu or Nationalists are not illegal in any country in the world.

RSS isnt banned or declared illegal anywhere in the world.Non hindus may not like it because its a hindu organisation, it doesnt make it illegal.

May be you think being hindu is illegal but its not.None of the things you mentioned makes Modi a bigot or genocider or ineligible to hold office.
 
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Indians will always sound hollow when they talk about their secularism. Pakistanis are just playing them like a fiddle...and they are jumping up and down shouting we are secular. If you don't protect the honour of Bhagwaan Ram, then our Lord Ram ji will not protect your honour too and you will keep getting insulted like this.
 
Let me tell you something, Right Wing or Hindu or Nationalists are not illegal in any country in the world.

RSS isnt banned or declared illegal anywhere in the world.Non hindus may not like it because its a hindu organisation, it doesnt make it illegal.

May be you think being hindu is illegal but its not.None of the things you mentioned makes Modi a bigot or genocider or ineligible to hold office.

I never said being right wing, Hindu or nationalist was illegal. Why would you suggest I did? If anything it seems you guys are the ones who are ashamed of it and start jumping up and down as if there is something wrong with any of those things. Illegal? What on earth are you talking about?
 
Indians will always sound hollow when they talk about their secularism. Pakistanis are just playing them like a fiddle...and they are jumping up and down shouting we are secular. If you don't protect the honour of Bhagwaan Ram, then our Lord Ram ji will not protect your honour too and you will keep getting insulted like this.

You do not have to protect the honor of God.

God if exists, he is not a small child waiting for his minions to protect him. God is supposed to be all knowing, all powerful. Not a helpless infant.
 
You do not have to protect the honor of God.

God if exists, he is not a small child waiting for his minions to protect him. God is supposed to be all knowing, all powerful. Not a helpless infant.

Of course, that goes without saying. But Bhagwaan ji watches your intent and your devotion. If you have turned away from Him, then He will also turn away from you.

If only Hindus went back to the Vedas and Upanishads... Anyway don't want to have my blood boil talking about this again and again...so I will try to stay away while you lot get owned here.
 
I never said being right wing, Hindu or nationalist was illegal. Why would you suggest I did? If anything it seems you guys are the ones who are ashamed of it and start jumping up and down as if there is something wrong with any of those things. Illegal? What on earth are you talking about?

So if none of this is illegal why british media mentioning this makes any difference?So what is the issue with Modi that you were mentioning?
 
Of course, that goes without saying. But Bhagwaan ji watches your intent and your devotion. If you have turned away from Him, then He will also turn away from you.

If only Hindus went back to the Vedas and Upanishads... Anyway don't want to have my blood boil talking about this again and again...so I will try to stay away while you lot get owned here.

The fact is majority in India are happy with the state of things, the government and the way things are going and to continue to keep religion out of everything. State over religion is working as can be seen. The people prefer that the country focuses on growth, economy and progression, rather than take steps backwards and identify themselves as a country that revolves around what it's religion is. The common man also wants his daily needs met, a job, food, security which comes from the government, and not what religion the government adopts and splitting itself until two or more nations which is moving in the opposite direction...

Secularism is an idea and in my mind is working better in India as opposed to countries like Us where there is still massive amounts of racism between whites and blacks. Majority in Us believe muslims are responsible for all terrorsist acts. The Us cant even distinguish between Sikh and an Arab that Us extremists folks attack sikhs or Sikh temples thinking that sikhs are arab or muslims. Countries like Europe, forget which state has outlawed woman from wearing Burkhas. In some places like Dubai you can't even chew gum during Ramadan. While in India you regularly see christians muslims Hindus all eating chicken Biriyani together regardless of any religious occasion and no body cares. Sure there's a few incidents here and there but not as extreme that the nation would get divided, akin to what's going on in Syria, Afghanistan etc..

Where India can do better is protecting individual rights/autonomy. Secondly things like the beef ban which is protecting one group I think needs to be handled better. It just won't fly in states where there are heavy meat eaters like say Karnataka and Kerala and I believe those states have completely ignored the ban all together...

You can keep dreaming about you're silly partition 2.0 crap. Unless another unfortunate incident like godhra attack or the gujarat riot happens, its not going to happen. But you never know....
 
So if none of this is illegal why british media mentioning this makes any difference?So what is the issue with Modi that you were mentioning?

It makes no difference if you don't want it to, just other countries have different perceptions of Modi and his history. If British or any other media link Modi to violence in Gujarat and his party with right wing Hindutva ideology, it is just an observation or comment on the situation. Just as your electorate have every right to vote for such a leader, the rest of the world is free to pass opinion.
 
It makes no difference if you don't want it to, just other countries have different perceptions of Modi and his history. If British or any other media link Modi to violence in Gujarat and his party with right wing Hindutva ideology, it is just an observation or comment on the situation. Just as your electorate have every right to vote for such a leader, the rest of the world is free to pass opinion.

Again i am asking you what is this perception and what is illegal in there?

Hindu Right Wing These are not illegal as you yourself said.Neither these are banned.So if British media mentions it, thats fine.

Where does British media call Modi a murderer or a genocider or a extremist or a bigot or unfit to be a PM of a democracy?Where does the media says India is not secular or democratic?
 
The question should be answered by Congress, they governed the nation for 60 years. How can they be secular when they never really promoted Muslims? Similar, big question marks on the aspirations of Muslims themselves, where is their leadership goals? And haven't even started talking about Muslim women, who are basically non-existent in public/politics space.
 
Again i am asking you what is this perception and what is illegal in there?

Hindu Right Wing These are not illegal as you yourself said.Neither these are banned.So if British media mentions it, thats fine.

Where does British media call Modi a murderer or a genocider or a extremist or a bigot or unfit to be a PM of a democracy?Where does the media says India is not secular or democratic?

Modi has been described as the leader of a right wing Hindutva party BJP in British news articles, he has also been linked as complicit in the riots in Gujarat where hundreds were killed in mob rampages in his own constituency.

This is a whole other topic. If you want me to raise a thread about British news media perception of Modi I will happily do so and we can discuss that there with all sources provided, and we don't need to divert any further from this topic.
 
Modi has been described as the leader of a right wing Hindutva party BJP in British news articles, he has also been linked as complicit in the riots in Gujarat where hundreds were killed in mob rampages in his own constituency.

This is a whole other topic. If you want me to raise a thread about British news media perception of Modi I will happily do so and we can discuss that there with all sources provided, and we don't need to divert any further from this topic.

It's the whole Hindi vs English media coverage. English media has been prejudiced against Modi even today.

But this thread isn't about him nor his party. It's Congress and its failures to empower Muslim leadership. But interesting many have successful purposefully derailed this thread.
 
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The question should be answered by Congress, they governed the nation for 60 years. How can they be secular when they never really promoted Muslims? Similar, big question marks on the aspirations of Muslims themselves, where is their leadership goals? And haven't even started talking about Muslim women, who are basically non-existent in public/politics space.

I guess Mehbooba Mufti (current J&K Chief Minister) and Najma Heptulla (former union minister) are all non existent.
 
I guess Mehbooba Mufti (current J&K Chief Minister) and Najma Heptulla (former union minister) are all non existent.

Of course, their representation is so little, almost negligible. The lack of women in Muslims leaderships roles is a big issue.
 
Of course, their representation is so little, almost negligible. The lack of women in Muslims leaderships roles is a big issue.

It's only an issue in India. Both countries which partitioned from India have since had women PMs. Does that mean the Muslims of India are not only more incompetent and trustworthy than those of their neighbours, but also more sexist?
 
It's only an issue in India. Both countries which partitioned from India have since had women PMs. Does that mean the Muslims of India are not only more incompetent and trustworthy than those of their neighbours, but also more sexist?

It's an issue only among Indian Muslims. Don't they want to empower their women? We saw how triple talaq issue went, and it was hilarious to see the Muslims men discussions. The women lack voice and participation.
 
Modi has been described as the leader of a right wing Hindutva party BJP in British news articles, he has also been linked as complicit in the riots in Gujarat where hundreds were killed in mob rampages in his own constituency.

This is a whole other topic. If you want me to raise a thread about British news media perception of Modi I will happily do so and we can discuss that there with all sources provided, and we don't need to divert any further from this topic.

He being Right Wing or Hindu is not wrong or illegal.You keep mentioning this thing.May be for you being Hindu is wrong or criminal but that isnt how the world sees it.I understand your dislike for hindus but there is nothing you can do about it.

He being complicit or not is a fact that has been decided by a court of law, he was once a accused as the media may say but no more.

So please tell me has British Media called Modi a Genocider Murderer Bigot unfit to hold office or have they called Indian judiciary a joke.I assure you Brit Pakistanis have done that on PP, an opinion you said British media shared or helped build.
 
I guess Mehbooba Mufti (current J&K Chief Minister) and Najma Heptulla (former union minister) are all non existent.

Did you watch the debates on triple talaq and the recent criminalisation of sex between consenting married people below the age of 18?The opinions of Muslim men were just pathetic.
 
Did you watch the debates on triple talaq and the recent criminalisation of sex between consenting married people below the age of 18?The opinions of Muslim men were just pathetic.

I will not comment about it as i didn't watch any of those shows.
 
Did you watch the debates on triple talaq and the recent criminalisation of sex between consenting married people below the age of 18?The opinions of Muslim men were just pathetic.

some Muslim men.
 
He being Right Wing or Hindu is not wrong or illegal.You keep mentioning this thing.May be for you being Hindu is wrong or criminal but that isnt how the world sees it.I understand your dislike for hindus but there is nothing you can do about it.

He being complicit or not is a fact that has been decided by a court of law, he was once a accused as the media may say but no more.

So please tell me has British Media called Modi a Genocider Murderer Bigot unfit to hold office or have they called Indian judiciary a joke.I assure you Brit Pakistanis have done that on PP, an opinion you said British media shared or helped build.

I don't keep mentioning that being right wing or Hindu is illegal, in fact this is the second time I've had to clarify this so please make sure it registers this time. What I did say is that the British media has generally portrayed Modi as the leader of a Hindu nationalist party and has suggested that he was complicit in the religious riots that killed hundreds in Gujarat. This is the last time I am going to address in this thread, if you want to continue debating British media portrayal of Modi I will start a new thread and we can discuss there.
 
some Muslim men.

To be more clear, some of the clerics.There were lawyers of islamic faith and they were absolutely clear regarding faulty practices.But somehow the clergy was hell bent on justifying marriages of girls who have just attained puberty
 
some Muslim men.

These are some Muslim men who have a overwhelming influence over their community. It really was embarrassing to see their hostile views on TV for the women.

On the topic itself, if you want inclusiveness, it starts within. We need more Muslim women in politics/public life. That's the first step to solve the OP's question as currently, they are just negligible numbers. Will Muslim men support them, from Triple Talaq episode doesn't seems possible.
 
I wish proper partition of Hindu-Muslim people from the sub-continent should have happened in '47 that mean no Hindu in Pakistan and no Muslim in India. Feel sorry for the minorities they have been and will be further crushed their ancestors should have migrated long back. BJP isn't going anywhere until 2024 in India and some big communal event of riot is pending courtesy Babri Masjid-Ram Mandir issue at Ayodhya.
 
Poor Indian Muslims. The hindus eye them with suspicion because of partition by pakistani muslims, and pakistani muslims see their misery as an ever giving excuse to thank Q-e-A. The brave ones who stayed back, or the foolish ones who missed the bus?
 
Indian population is too busy voting for far right, religious extremist parties.

Yes, Congress has ruled India for 60 years since independence. So the entire blame is on them, and yet some still foolishly continue to vote for them.
 
Did you watch the debates on triple talaq and the recent criminalisation of sex between consenting married people below the age of 18?The opinions of Muslim men were just pathetic.

Correct. Triple Talaq issue, it was Hindus who supported the Muslim women while the Muslim men didn't really support. They were very aggressive, hostile instead. Like the personal board itself in its affidavit to court wrote about how men have more intelligence than women.
 
Correct. Triple Talaq issue, it was Hindus who supported the Muslim women while the Muslim men didn't really support. They were very aggressive, hostile instead. Like the personal board itself in its affidavit to court wrote about how men have more intelligence than women.

Sigh classic example how gullible people get used or how the mind of an average Indian works.. Pretty narrow minded..
 
We can argue back and forth but one only has to do a simple search to see that there is no discrimination towards muslims in high positions as one can see that is not the case. If they can be judges, top actors, doctors. Political party members, it's a matter of time. Also one has to understand the congress which mostly been governing for last so many years and they usually pick someone affiliated with Gandhi/Nehru family. As someone pointed out ABdul Kalam who is Muslim has been called as the people's president and if a good Muslim leader exists then it can happen that he or she can be a Pm also. I don't see the reason that it hasn't happened because of any religious discrimination as that goes against the constitution. India is a secular democracy and religion is completely separate from the state. We can always reverse the question and ask does any of the Pakistan party groups have any minorities christians, Hindus etc in its circle besides muslims ??
 
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We can argue back and forth but one only has to do a simple search to see that there is no discrimination towards muslims in high positions as one can see that is not the case. If they can be judges, top actors, doctors. Political party members, it's a matter of time. Also one has to understand the congress which mostly been governing for last so many years and they usually pick someone affiliated with Gandhi/Nehru family. As someone pointed out ABdul Kalam who is Muslim has been called as the people's president and if a good Muslim leader exists then it can happen that he or she can be a Pm also. I don't see the reason that it hasn't happened because of any religious discrimination as that goes against the constitution. India is a secular democracy and religion is completely separate from the state. We can always reverse the question and ask does any of the Pakistan party groups have any minorities christians, Hindus etc in its circle besides muslims ??

That is one good thing the Congress has done. They didn't impose a muslim ruler on us. Anyway, the indian muslims are socially and politically orphans. The stronger ones who could have saved them, chose to have a separate homeland..leaving the weaker indian muslims at the mercy of hindus. And they add insult to injury by using the plight of the indian muslims, to thank their good fortunes..and ask the enemy hindus why they are not taking care of the people they left at their mercy. Don't know how they will answer the almighty during judgement day.
 
Quite a silly question, why does it matter?

We all know Pakistan would sooner implode than have a Hindu, Sikh, Ahmadi or atheist PM or Army Chief.
We need to address the problems in our own country before attempting to demonise others.
 
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