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Why has Mohammad Hafeez been promoted above Babar Azam in the batting order?

Only in Pakistan people wish bad for their players. Unbelievable.

Also any position in the team is not someone's personal property. Shafiq was replaced by babar at 3 because babar has a higher celing than shafiq ever had. Seniority culture should not be encouraged. If a new player has more potential , he should be preferred over the seniors.

Promotion of hafeez yesteday was shocking when Babar has played so well at 3. Blunder i say and it is because of him that Pakistan had to settle for 308. Malik should be thanked for scoring at the rate he did otherwise 300 looked out of reach. Hafeez sucked all the momentum out of the innings. At one time he was on 29 from 50, leaving balls in 25th over.

Shafiq had performances in Test cricket to back himself up, just like Babar does in ODIs. For example, 4 tons in 8 matches. His demotion wasn't justified, just like Shafiq's demotion wasn't justified in Tests.

Secondly I never said I want Babar to fail so I'm not wishing anything.
 
Shafiq had performances in Test cricket to back himself up, just like Babar does in ODIs. For example, 4 tons in 8 matches. His demotion wasn't justified, just like Shafiq's demotion wasn't justified in Tests.

Secondly I never said I want Babar to fail so I'm not wishing anything.

How many matches did shafiq play at 3 and what were his scores like?
 
How many matches did shafiq play at 3 and what were his scores like?

That's irrelevant. Shafiq deserved the promotion after having done well throughout his career.

Not some rookie who could never set First-class cricket on fire in the first place.
 
Just to clarify I've no problems with Babar himself but Mickey Arthur - the guy who has been fired from every place where he has worked.
 
Babar clearly looked like a fish out of water at the test number three spot, but he had made the ODI number three spot his own and dislodging him from there for Hafeez of all people is utter stupidity on the part of the captain and coach.
 
Babar clearly looked like a fish out of water at the test number three spot, but he had made the ODI number three spot his own and dislodging him from there for Hafeez of all people is utter stupidity on the part of the captain and coach.

That I absolutely agree with. It's criminal to drop him from #3 in ODIs especially for someone like Hafeez who's a certified TTF.

It's just Babar would now know what someone else had to go through because of that coach. :facepalm:
 
Sarfraz will have to put his foot down and build his own time. He should not be accommodating Mickey's favorites.
 
Cos Hafeez is blessed to have unlimited natural talent in all facets of this game.
 
This is sort of reflection of the corrupt society players come from.
India had Virat Kohli batting ahead of Yuvraj and Dhoni in 2011 when he was half the player both of them were.
But here the most consistent player has to drop below an in and out player just because he is senior.
 
Hafeez is an absolutely pathetic player and this knock will hurt us so much. It already has in making us lose the match but we moved 32592387592387 steps backwards too.
 
An perchance undeservedly charitable reading: someone, perchance Sarfraz perchance Mickey, felt that the innings needed some momentum, and it was expected that Hafez would be able to score faster than Babar, even if he got ou quickly. Recall his last innings of note in Australia. Little did they know... If Akmal had still been at the crease it could have gone the other way, but as it were, the no 3 was going to bat with Shehzad. In the scheme of the match it is not evident to me, even in hindsight, that the decision backfired spectacularly; but in so far as it gives Hafeez another lease on life it is of course regrettable. And I agree with Mamoon, there is something to be said for pushing Babar out of his comfort zone a bit. He needs to start scoring more quickly.

about ur last line!! he will learn that from t20s!
 
As I said, I don't care about where Hafeez bats as long as he is discarded post Champions Trophy. I am worried about Babar's style of play and his lack of impact at the moment. It bothers me, because I haven't see much potential in a young Pakistani batsman for 17-18 years.

stop talking nonsense. the guy is averaging 50 @90. our team is so fragile it is like putting a jigsaw together. we have the piece for number 3, a guy who has looked good in nz aus and even england, and with ct around the corner u think it is good for him to be challenged a bit.
seriously flawed thinking taking a 'panga' like this. the guy is still learning his game and is playing the t20i and psl which will enhance is game for odi.

we are a team struggling to put it all together and u r ok with fixing the one part that isnt broken!!

if anything, simple logic (seen yesterday too) hafeez is better at bullying spinners and babar (as seen in aus) is better at handling pace.hafeez was playing gabriel like a test match!!
so babar 3 and hafeez 4 even from that view point
 
fully expect hafeez to make up for this in terms of strike rate but against the better teams thisnis not the way forward. u need to go with good momentum throughout the innings!!

I just want to point out that in this match, Mohammad Hafeez scored 88 (92) and took 1 important wicket while bowling 8 overs at very good economy rate.

Whatever else you feel, please let's acknowledge Hafeez played well and did his level best for Pakistan.

i posted above post when he was 28 off 50!!
against better teams it wont happen.
anyways he is more adept at playing spin than pace and babar vice versa so yesterdays batting position was wrong way round
 
That's irrelevant. Shafiq deserved the promotion after having done well throughout his career.

Not some rookie who could never set First-class cricket on fire in the first place.

Going by your logic , no team should try a new number 3. They should all promote guys who have performed well in other positions to one down position. I wonder if aussies and Indian team managements will agree with that.

It is irrelevant if shafiq has performed well at 6. You get a new player who can bat at 3, you put him at three. Babar had a bad test tour of Australia but before that he showed immense promise in hostile conditions of NZ. Unfortunately only bad performances of new guys are remembered.
 
stop talking nonsense. the guy is averaging 50 @90. our team is so fragile it is like putting a jigsaw together. we have the piece for number 3, a guy who has looked good in nz aus and even england, and with ct around the corner u think it is good for him to be challenged a bit.
seriously flawed thinking taking a 'panga' like this. the guy is still learning his game and is playing the t20i and psl which will enhance is game for odi.

we are a team struggling to put it all together and u r ok with fixing the one part that isnt broken!!

if anything, simple logic (seen yesterday too) hafeez is better at bullying spinners and babar (as seen in aus) is better at handling pace.hafeez was playing gabriel like a test match!!
so babar 3 and hafeez 4 even from that view point

I am not interested in stats. I see Babar as a player with enormous potential, and I see him as someone who can become our best batsman ever across all formats. However, I also see him as a batsman who currently lacks impact because of his playing style. I don't want him to become an Amla in ODIs, with outstanding stats and 20+ hundreds but very little impact. In 10 years time, I don't want people to say that yes he is our top scorer in ODIs with the most hundreds, but he is not a match-winner like Inzamam was. So yes I want him to be challenged a bit and get drawn out of his comfort-zone, because that will make him a better player in the long run. There is no need of protecting him.

I am done with Hafeez. I don't care if he bats at 3 or 11 till the Champions Trophy, because I have the long-term interests of Pakistan cricket at heart. Hafeez playing at 3 and inevitably failing in the Champions Trophy can put an end to his career. Pakistan cricket will not end with that tournament, look beyond that. We have zero chance of winning the tournament no matter who bats at 3 or 4.
 
It wasn't fair on Shafiq either when he was demoted since Babar hasn't done jack in Tests.

As far as the best batting prospect goes, same words were used for Umar Akmal seven years ago. Who knows if cousin ends up following the same path.

We'll see down the route where Babar ends up!

Yes, Shafiq's promotion and demotion did not make sense.

However that's not Babar's fault.

Babar was hailed as the next big thing since he was 14; Umar wasn't.

Let's hope Babar comes good in Tests for the sake of the country.
 
If I may, even if Hafeez played at 4 and Babar at 3 we would still score 300
 
I am not interested in stats. I see Babar as a player with enormous potential, and I see him as someone who can become our best batsman ever across all formats. However, I also see him as a batsman who currently lacks impact because of his playing style. I don't want him to become an Amla in ODIs, with outstanding stats and 20+ hundreds but very little impact. In 10 years time, I don't want people to say that yes he is our top scorer in ODIs with the most hundreds, but he is not a match-winner like Inzamam was. So yes I want him to be challenged a bit and get drawn out of his comfort-zone, because that will make him a better player in the long run. There is no need of protecting him.

I am done with Hafeez. I don't care if he bats at 3 or 11 till the Champions Trophy, because I have the long-term interests of Pakistan cricket at heart. Hafeez playing at 3 and inevitably failing in the Champions Trophy can put an end to his career. Pakistan cricket will not end with that tournament, look beyond that. We have zero chance of winning the tournament no matter who bats at 3 or 4.

And so it begins. The Mamoon 6-step troll technique regarding a promising Pakistani cricketer:

1) Back the player in question, boasting about your alleged ability to spot talent.
2) Hype the player up more as he inevitably performs because he is a quality player.
3) When the player in question starts receiving plaudits from everywhere, start criticizing him but being careful not to overdo it.
4) After a couple of failures, intensify the criticism while positioning yourself as a fan who's disappointed.
5) Label the player useless and vehemently criticize him in every thread possible.
6) Brush off any good showings as flukes, "lacking impact" or "lacking heart" or "lacking swing". Anything to bypass actual stats that prove that reality is in on the contrary to your views.

Babar is currently somewhere between stage 3 and 4 while poor Amir is on stage 5. Junaid "better than Amir" is at stage 6.
 
Playing all three of Shehzad, Kamran and Hafeez is pretty poor. Shehzad should keep opening because he has a decade or more of cricket left in front of him but only one of Hafeez and Kamran should open with him, ideally the former because he can also provide an off-spin option with the ball and is a safe fielder usually. Babar should be batting at #3 and Sarfaraz and Malik at #5 and #6.
 
fully expect hafeez to make up for this in terms of strike rate but against the better teams thisnis not the way forward. u need to go with good momentum throughout the innings!!

I am not interested in stats. I see Babar as a player with enormous potential, and I see him as someone who can become our best batsman ever across all formats. However, I also see him as a batsman who currently lacks impact because of his playing style. I don't want him to become an Amla in ODIs, with outstanding stats and 20+ hundreds but very little impact. In 10 years time, I don't want people to say that yes he is our top scorer in ODIs with the most hundreds, but he is not a match-winner like Inzamam was. So yes I want him to be challenged a bit and get drawn out of his comfort-zone, because that will make him a better player in the long run. There is no need of protecting him.

I am done with Hafeez. I don't care if he bats at 3 or 11 till the Champions Trophy, because I have the long-term interests of Pakistan cricket at heart. Hafeez playing at 3 and inevitably failing in the Champions Trophy can put an end to his career. Pakistan cricket will not end with that tournament, look beyond that. We have zero chance of winning the tournament no matter who bats at 3 or 4.

i think u expect a lot from babar and that is a lot of pressure. it is best to try to prepare a competitive outfit rather than a great individual.
And anyway he knows what his challenges are. he said as much after the t20s and that is what t20 will do for him. it will be the making of the limited overs babar.
but he needs to be given the correct grounding to succeed. y put unneceasary pressure on him.
and u know in urself the reason they did it was not to help babar increase the range of his game. it was done with ulterior motivesm the guy who looks comfortable against pace and the guy who looks comfortable against spin and they batting the wrong way around
 
And so it begins. The Mamoon 6-step troll technique regarding a promising Pakistani cricketer:

1) Back the player in question, boasting about your alleged ability to spot talent.
2) Hype the player up more as he inevitably performs because he is a quality player.
3) When the player in question starts receiving plaudits from everywhere, start criticizing him but being careful not to overdo it.
4) After a couple of failures, intensify the criticism while positioning yourself as a fan who's disappointed.
5) Label the player useless and vehemently criticize him in every thread possible.
6) Brush off any good showings as flukes, "lacking impact" or "lacking heart" or "lacking swing". Anything to bypass actual stats that prove that reality is in on the contrary to your views.

Babar is currently somewhere between stage 3 and 4 while poor Amir is on stage 5. Junaid "better than Amir" is at stage 6.

this is funny!!
 
And so it begins. The Mamoon 6-step troll technique regarding a promising Pakistani cricketer:

1) Back the player in question, boasting about your alleged ability to spot talent.
2) Hype the player up more as he inevitably performs because he is a quality player.
3) When the player in question starts receiving plaudits from everywhere, start criticizing him but being careful not to overdo it.
4) After a couple of failures, intensify the criticism while positioning yourself as a fan who's disappointed.
5) Label the player useless and vehemently criticize him in every thread possible.
6) Brush off any good showings as flukes, "lacking impact" or "lacking heart" or "lacking swing". Anything to bypass actual stats that prove that reality is in on the contrary to your views.

Babar is currently somewhere between stage 3 and 4 while poor Amir is on stage 5. Junaid "better than Amir" is at stage 6.

That is unfortunately what happens to most of our promising players. They start with a bang but then they slowly fade away because their weaknesses are not addressed at the right time while blind fan-boys like you keep defending them, pretending that everything is okay when it is not.

The whole world knows that Junaid is done and dusted now, but you like to live in a parallel world where he is still a world class talent. Secondly, I didn't say he is better than Amir; I said he looks to be in the same class, and that was true for a brief period but unfortunately, it turned out to be a fluke. In addition, the whole world knows that Ajmal's action had deteriorated beyond repair, but you had to defend him till the end and when he got suspended, you sprinted away for three weeks because you didn't have the guts to defend your position of labeling him a legal bowler. Everyone saw how brutally Yasir got exposed in Australia, and he almost always struggles when the batsmen take him on, but you continue to pretend that everything is okay and he is the perfect Test spinner. These are just a few examples, I can go on and on and on.

As far as Babar is concerned, there is no doubt that he is a brilliant batsman, but there is also no doubt that he needs to improve his power game. You got triggered because I mentioned your man-crush Amla, but there are actually a lot of similarities between the two as far as ODI batting is concerned. Very good strike rotation and ability to maintain a healthy SR, but when it comes to accelerating, they don't last 10 deliveries. Now don't give me the predictable rubbish that it is not their job to slog, the point is that a complete Limited Overs batsmen like Kohli, de Villiers (minus the choke gene), Smith and Root have the ability to do both.

Simply hiding behind Babar's stats and pretending that everything is okay with his approach is what you call burying your head in the ground, but then again, you have never really understood the game which is why you think Amla is the second best ODI opener of all time, Duminy and Miller are better hitters than de Villiers, Kapil and Botham are not ATGs, Younis is as good as Tendulkar in Tests and Moeen Ali is better than Ben Stokes etc.

Babar scored heaps of runs in Australia but his runs couldn't win a single match for us, even though Sharjeel set up him almost every single time. This is an area where he needs to improve; the aspect of his batting where he can bat at a SR of 150+ for few overs without throwing his wicket away. In other words, he needs to add an extra gear.

Nonetheless, I am banging my head against a wall here. You can continue to live your parallel universe where Pakistan is a world class team in all formats and almost all of their players are better than their Indian counterparts, and things will only get better from here and we have nothing to worry about. You have the talent of deluding yourself that everything is okay when everything around you is falling apart. It is a good trait to have if you want to be happy all the time, but that doesn't really address the problems and the issues. You can either sprint away from your problems and pretend everything is okay, or you can acknowledge those problems and discuss them.

I prefer the latter, but you, as this illustration shows....


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prefer the former.
 
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i think u expect a lot from babar and that is a lot of pressure. it is best to try to prepare a competitive outfit rather than a great individual.
And anyway he knows what his challenges are. he said as much after the t20s and that is what t20 will do for him. it will be the making of the limited overs babar.
but he needs to be given the correct grounding to succeed. y put unneceasary pressure on him.
and u know in urself the reason they did it was not to help babar increase the range of his game. it was done with ulterior motivesm the guy who looks comfortable against pace and the guy who looks comfortable against spin and they batting the wrong way around

I know why Hafeez played at number 3. It had nothing to do with Babar's batting, but as I said, if playing at number four for a brief period helps Babar expand his game, I don't mind. I am not interested in Hafeez but I am interested in Babar. Secondly, there are two ways of improving a player. A) you can protect them B) you can challenge them. I prefer B), because it exhibits the mental strength of the player.

At number 3, Babar is in his comfort-zone at the moment. He is good enough to last 30 overs against any opposition, trot at his usual pace, but not win Pakistan a match. I don't mind challenging him a bit by putting him in a different situation and match context where he will have to approach his game differently, and that will make him a better player in the long run. In short, people are overreacting over Babar playing at four in a few matches. The sky will not fall over; he will outlast Hafeez by about 15 years, and the Champions Trophy is not the end goal of this Pakistan team. We will play cricket beyond this tournament, and we are not winning the tournament no matter what.
 
He was sent at 3 because Sarfu thinks he can do better than someone whose lowest of last 3 innings against same team at same spot is somewhere in 120s. Besides, Inzi needs something to carry MoHa to U.K. - one more 50 against SRL or IND, he'll be retained till 2019. And a 50 against Saf will drop Babar permanently at 4. People don't have any idea how highly MoHa is rated - he was taken to WC in ANZ as a specialist batsman!!!!!!!!
 
I know why Hafeez played at number 3. It had nothing to do with Babar's batting, but as I said, if playing at number four for a brief period helps Babar expand his game, I don't mind. I am not interested in Hafeez but I am interested in Babar. Secondly, there are two ways of improving a player. A) you can protect them B) you can challenge them. I prefer B), because it exhibits the mental strength of the player.

At number 3, Babar is in his comfort-zone at the moment. He is good enough to last 30 overs against any opposition, trot at his usual pace, but not win Pakistan a match. I don't mind challenging him a bit by putting him in a different situation and match context where he will have to approach his game differently, and that will make him a better player in the long run. In short, people are overreacting over Babar playing at four in a few matches. The sky will not fall over; he will outlast Hafeez by about 15 years, and the Champions Trophy is not the end goal of this Pakistan team. We will play cricket beyond this tournament, and we are not winning the tournament no matter what.

last post about this
1) challenge is there in t20 which will expand babars limited over game
2)pak cricket needs stability not unnecessary pangas. people need to be given roles and develop within those. not given a different role every 6 months to see them develop. that is totally pointless. its happening with malik and sarfaraz. im not saying dont adjust line up according to situation but 85% of the time ot shouldnt change. sarfaraz malik have battef 4 5 n 6 in last year. babar was moved around 2. 3 places in the england uae series. he then settled at number 3 and now back to number 4

u think this has benefitted us in the last year? no. the think tank is still not sure on best utilisation of malik sarf and it will pribably create more muddle now that babar has moved too!!

right next topic!!
 
Babar Azam in at 3 today, lets see how his apologists will defend his slow strike rate today...

Last time he had more than 30 overs to score a century, but perished at a strike rate of 50 scoring only 11...

When asked why did he bat like this... the PP fans blamed it on Hafeez's strike rate putting pressure on Azam..

Then they blamed him coming at no,4, even when everyone knows he still had more than 30 overs to bat out
 
Babar Azam in at 3 today, lets see how his apologists will defend his slow strike rate today...

Last time he had more than 30 overs to score a century, but perished at a strike rate of 50 scoring only 11...

When asked why did he bat like this... the PP fans blamed it on Hafeez's strike rate putting pressure on Azam..

Then they blamed him coming at no,4, even when everyone knows he still had more than 30 overs to bat out

Your hate for Babar is ridiculous. You make it sound as if he strikes at 60 and 70. The only thing that he needs to improve on is his acceleration at the end of his innings. That is where he struggles, when he has to up the ante at the end of the innings.
 
Your hate for Babar is ridiculous. You make it sound as if he strikes at 60 and 70. The only thing that he needs to improve on is his acceleration at the end of his innings. That is where he struggles, when he has to up the ante at the end of the innings.

He never ups the ante-, scoring at a strike rate of 80 when the team requires you to win the game at 7 an over is almost as criminal as scoring at a 300 run pitch with a strike rate of 60..

But ofcourse, he looks good while doing it...

his 100's against the Windies were a clear example of how we were 30-40 runs short in each innings... but it was made to look good by late surges from Malik and early from Sharjeel
 
What happened to him vs WI in the previous game, was the same thing he did in Australia in the last two... i.e put pressure on Sharjeel while he scored 27 runs of 50 balls
 
He never ups the ante-, scoring at a strike rate of 80 when the team requires you to win the game at 7 an over is almost as criminal as scoring at a 300 run pitch with a strike rate of 60..

But ofcourse, he looks good while doing it...

his 100's against the Windies were a clear example of how we were 30-40 runs short in each innings... but it was made to look good by late surges from Malik and early from Sharjeel

Yes he is one paced at the moment and I have written on it many times and you can see a glimpse of it above, but your dislike for him doesn't end there. He is our best batsman and the best talent to emerge from Pakistan in a long, long time. You need to acknowledge that, denying that is futile.
 
Point I'm making is Babar would've probably made the same score Hafeez made last game 88(92), but it would be hailed as the greatest thing since slice bread on this forum
[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION]
 
Point I'm making is Babar would've probably made the same score Hafeez made last game 88(92), but it would be hailed as the greatest thing since slice bread on this forum

[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION]

Yes because Babar doesn't have a decade of mediocrity under his belt with a proven negative record against the big boys. Why is that so hard to understand?
 
Yes because Babar doesn't have a decade of mediocrity under his belt with a proven negative record against the big boys. Why is that so hard to understand?

I prefer to take it match by match... which is why I don't mind Akmal batting as an opener, despite his shoddy record as an opener..

Hafeez's innings was a bit two paced.. and he played very slowly, but regardless of that if Babar had scored those runs at that strike rate, we would be here saying 'hey atleast he performed right? What were others doing?'
 
I prefer to take it match by match... which is why I don't mind Akmal batting as an opener, despite his shoddy record as an opener..

Hafeez's innings was a bit two paced.. and he played very slowly, but regardless of that if Babar had scored those runs at that strike rate, we would be here saying 'hey atleast he performed right? What were others doing?'

Taking things match by match is fine, but you have to apply context to your bashing as well. If both Babar and Hafeez fail, it is obvious that the latter will be bashed more, and I don't think I have to explain why.
 
Taking things match by match is fine, but you have to apply context to your bashing as well. If both Babar and Hafeez fail, it is obvious that the latter will be bashed more, and I don't think I have to explain why.

Hafeez is still the only batsman in our lineup who has scored daddy 100s.. Malik or Kamran none of them have in recent times
 
And so it begins. The Mamoon 6-step troll technique regarding a promising Pakistani cricketer:

1) Back the player in question, boasting about your alleged ability to spot talent.
2) Hype the player up more as he inevitably performs because he is a quality player.
3) When the player in question starts receiving plaudits from everywhere, start criticizing him but being careful not to overdo it.
4) After a couple of failures, intensify the criticism while positioning yourself as a fan who's disappointed.
5) Label the player useless and vehemently criticize him in every thread possible.
6) Brush off any good showings as flukes, "lacking impact" or "lacking heart" or "lacking swing". Anything to bypass actual stats that prove that reality is in on the contrary to your views.

Babar is currently somewhere between stage 3 and 4 while poor Amir is on stage 5. Junaid "better than Amir" is at stage 6.

:))) Pretty funny
 
Glad to see Babar retain his position, if they are going to play Hafeez just have him swap positions with Sarfraz it may provoke him to show some intent
 
Babar Azam currently playing at the same strike rate Hafeez played at in the last game...

What difference has he made at no.3?
 
Babar Azam currently playing at the same strike rate Hafeez played at in the last game...

What difference has he made at no.3?

Hafeez was on 29 off 50 in the previous match.

Anyway, forget that.

Are you listening to Ian Bishop and Fazeer Mohammed?

Are they also 'biased fans of Babar'?

Do let me know.
 
If it was hafeez in position 3 he would have been out on duck today with holder swinging the ball. absolutely rubbish player. he's not even at east against average WI bowlers.
 
Even West Indies commentators are bashing the decision of puuting Hafeez at 3 on the 1st ODI.
They are bashing his slow strike rate and inability to play pace bowlers as well.
 
Hafeez was on 29 off 50 in the previous match.

Anyway, forget that.

Are you listening to Ian Bishop and Fazeer Mohammed?

Are they also 'biased fans of Babar'?

Do let me know.

I am waiting for a reply bro. :( [MENTION=135196]waleed88[/MENTION]

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Babar Azam currently playing at the same strike rate Hafeez played at in the last game...

What difference has he made at no.3?

1. Hafeez came in at a comfortable position of 85/1 after 15 overs
Babar came in earlier, with wickets going down pretty consistently around him

2. Hafeez played at around SR 50-60 for most of his innings
Babar never went below SR 75

3. Babar played till the end, so minimed chances of a collapse. Hafeez didn't

4. Babar is 22 so still developing his game, Hafeez has been playing 15+ years

Absolutely no comparison between the two

Although I agree, there are definitely places Babar can improve his game
 
Not saying Babar would have made a good score if he batted at 3 in the 1st game

But someone needs to be held accountable or explain why they had that pathetic Hafeez at 3 instead of Babar
This is beyond pathetic
 
Sarfraz should have apologized to Babar and Pak fans for demoting Babar from #3 in 1st ODI
 
I am waiting for a reply bro. :( [MENTION=135196]waleed88[/MENTION]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Babar Azam batting at number 3 in ODIs:<br>31<br>120<br>123<br>117<br>34<br>84<br>31<br>100<br>125*<br>Runs 765<br>Average 95.62<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/WIvPAK?src=hash">#WIvPAK</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Cricket?src=hash">#Cricket</a> <a href="https://t.co/ocRZCem80o">pic.twitter.com/ocRZCem80o</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@Saj_PakPassion) <a href="https://twitter.com/Saj_PakPassion/status/851122933837824000">April 9, 2017</a></blockquote>
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Fantastic knock by Babar, didn't watch the end of the innings, but till the time I watched he was 80 of 110 deliveries
 
If you have scored more than 120... but still never crossed a 100 strike rate... then its substandard
 
If you have scored more than 120... but still never crossed a 100 strike rate... then its substandard

It wasn't a perfect knock and there were times where he could have done better.

However, you're setting awfully high standards for him so it's a win-win for you every time.

If he fails, you win.

If he scores, it's not fast enough, so you win again.

After Babar's 125*, only two batsmen reached 40 in the whole match so far and the commentators have repeatedly mentioned how the pitch is behaving differently from the first ODI (with spin on offer along with being a bit two paced) - but best to disregard all that as it disrupts the narrative. ;-)
 
It wasn't a perfect knock and there were times where he could have done better.

However, you're setting awfully high standards for him so it's a win-win for you every time.

If he fails, you win.

If he scores, it's not fast enough, so you win again.

After Babar's 125*, only two batsmen reached 40 in the whole match so far and the commentators have repeatedly mentioned how the pitch is behaving differently from the first ODI (with spin on offer along with being a bit two paced) - but best to disregard all that as it disrupts the narrative. ;-)

Like I said it was a fantastic knock, no credit away from Babar.

The difference is Pakistan can defend the total this time, while we couldn't defend the total in the first game... that led to Hafeez being the culprit, even though he scored at the same SR as Babar in this game

The previous ODI game, a tailender scored 100+ runs in the last over to win us the game... that was the difference...
 
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Like I said it was a fantastic knock, no credit away from Babar.

The difference is Pakistan can defend the total this time, while we couldn't defend the total in the first game... that led to Hafeez being the culprit, even though he scored at the same SR as Babar in this game

The previous ODI game, a tailender scored 100+ runs in the last over to win us the game... that was the difference...

I think, you need to grow up a bit; playing too much cricket on computer, like my teen aged nephews.

In Play Station, every ball comes identical every time, because it's programmed such way - in real cricket, there are factors like wicket, condition .... hence WI chased 308 last time, and missing by almost 100 chasing 282 this time.

I also played paranoid long, long back and knew exactly when surprises are coming after few rounds. 😩
 
I think, you need to grow up a bit; playing too much cricket on computer, like my teen aged nephews.

In Play Station, every ball comes identical every time, because it's programmed such way - in real cricket, there are factors like wicket, condition .... hence WI chased 308 last time, and missing by almost 100 chasing 282 this time.

I also played paranoid long, long back and knew exactly when surprises are coming after few rounds. ��

They're still in with a chance, and guess what? They're not losing by 100..

Guess the pitch wasn't such a minefield if Holder can get a 50...

They were in the same position the previous game they won btw... 100 of last 10
 
They're still in with a chance, and guess what? They're not losing by 100..

Guess the pitch wasn't such a minefield if Holder can get a 50...

They were in the same position the previous game they won btw... 100 of last 10

That you will understand once you know the difference between coming at 85/1 in 15th over & 16/1 in 5th over for a no. 3.

Also, your last comment actually indicates how much you are into real cricket & computer cricket - not Holder, Alzary Joshep is batting also well in this bed of roses, after WI had been 8 down & 125 needed in 12 overs ......

This game is a bit more complex than handling joystick .....
 
That you will understand once you know the difference between coming at 85/1 in 15th over & 16/1 in 5th over for a no. 3.

Also, your last comment actually indicates how much you are into real cricket & computer cricket - not Holder, Alzary Joshep is batting also well in this bed of roses, after WI had been 8 down & 125 needed in 12 overs ......

This game is a bit more complex than handling joystick .....

I think you're a little angry I compared Babar Azam's knock to Hafeez's...

Both ended up with a strike rate of 95..

If Babar played the same knock Hafeez played yesterday, we would still be writing roses about him, saying Ohhhh what a lad, what a player, didn't get support from the other end

Acha Sorry!! :))
 
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I think you're a little angry I compared Babar Azam's knock to Hafeez's...

Both ended up with a strike rate of 95..

If Babar played the same knock Hafeez played yesterday, we would still be writing roses about him, saying Ohhhh what a lad, what a player, didn't get support from the other end

Acha Sorry!! :))

I was indeed angry - you can check my posts both for today & day before yesterday.

Also, that Strike Rate of 95 comment is gold - I gives me even better clue of where you watch cricket👌
 
I think you're a little angry I compared Babar Azam's knock to Hafeez's...

Both ended up with a strike rate of 95..

If Babar played the same knock Hafeez played yesterday, we would still be writing roses about him, saying Ohhhh what a lad, what a player, didn't get support from the other end

Acha Sorry!! :))

Like I said, completely ignoring the circumstances of the match and conditions to suit the narrative.

And yes, Hafeez will be criticised and scrutinised more because he is a seasoned veteran.
 
He was sent at 3 because Sarfu thinks he can do better than someone whose lowest of last 3 innings against same team at same spot is somewhere in 120s. Besides, Inzi needs something to carry MoHa to U.K. - one more 50 against SRL or IND, he'll be retained till 2019. And a 50 against Saf will drop Babar permanently at 4. People don't have any idea how highly MoHa is rated - he was taken to WC in ANZ as a specialist batsman!!!!!!!!

I feel pity for people who rate him as a batsman. He should be competing for a spot in the team as a spinner.
 
I have not seen another player who is so stubborn in his position. Has Hafeez batted anywhere lower than 4 in any format in the last few years? (Not counting one off instances of a batsman being promoted above him for March situation demands)
 
I have not seen another player who is so stubborn in his position. Has Hafeez batted anywhere lower than 4 in any format in the last few years? (Not counting one off instances of a batsman being promoted above him for March situation demands)

Since his comeback in 2010, he's played 278 innings across all formats.

In 266 of the 278 innings, he batted in the top 3. And he doesn't know where his off-stump is, and now he can't play pace either.
 
Since his comeback in 2010, he's played 278 innings across all formats.

In 266 of the 278 innings, he batted in the top 3. And he doesn't know where his off-stump is, and now he can't play pace either.

That you for the figures, simply amazing. 266 innings is a ridiculous amount by any standards. Not saying he hasn't been a good performer for us at times, but as you mentioned, he is clearly not a top order batsman and that has become more evident the older he got.
 
I think you're a little angry I compared Babar Azam's knock to Hafeez's...

Both ended up with a strike rate of 95..

If Babar played the same knock Hafeez played yesterday, we would still be writing roses about him, saying Ohhhh what a lad, what a player, didn't get support from the other end

Acha Sorry!! :))

Same strike rate, yes, but you are ignoring the fact that Babar scored more runs. Which is what matters at the end of the innings.

125 > 88 in every corner of the earth.

So you should be convinced unless you are in some other-worldly setting...
 
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Same strike rate, yes, but you are ignoring the fact that Babar scored more runs. Which is what matters at the end of the innings.

125 > 88 in every corner of the earth.

So you should be convinced unless you are in some other-worldly setting...

Hafeez has scored more runs than Babar in the entire series... :)
 
But but but.... Babar was demoted to Number 4 thats why he couldn't perform...

and Hafeez did perform despite being at no.4
 
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WI series was tough:quote: for Hafeez, I don't know what level of difficulty will be in CT for him!:96:

He did much better than Babar Azam though..
 
I have to give it to waleed, his sole purpose on PP now is to spend every second online bashing Babar Azam.
 
I am waiting for a reply bro. :( [MENTION=135196]waleed88[/MENTION]

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Yaar final mai bohat achi batting ki BA nay, even better than Hafeez
 
But Babar azam did much better then Misbah as he scored a century which Misbah never did in his career.

Yes and Babar is a terrible captain of Pakistan A team, while Misbah is one of the greatest in Pakistan history
 
Yes and Babar is a terrible captain of Pakistan A team, while Misbah is one of the greatest in Pakistan history
Lol. Babar hasn't captained Pakistan yet. If babar makes a terrible captain or not don't bother me what I know is that he will be 10 times better player then misbah ( he already is in odi's). And lol at misbah being the greatest. If playing winning at uae makes you the greatest then anyone can become one. Plus mind you this greatest captain is the first to lose 6 test matches in a row and counting hopefully. The only reason this selfish player is playing this series against west indies is in hope of beating this poor side so he can claim he is the first captain to win in West indies and his deluded fans can bring it up to highlight his greatness.
 
Lol. Babar hasn't captained Pakistan yet. If babar makes a terrible captain or not don't bother me what I know is that he will be 10 times better player then misbah ( he already is in odi's). And lol at misbah being the greatest. If playing winning at uae makes you the greatest then anyone can become one. Plus mind you this greatest captain is the first to lose 6 test matches in a row and counting hopefully. The only reason this selfish player is playing this series against west indies is in hope of beating this poor side so he can claim he is the first captain to win in West indies and his deluded fans can bring it up to highlight his greatness.

Oh looks like I hit a soft spot there :))
 
He did much better than Babar Azam though..
Hafeez averaged 68, top score of 88
Babar averaged 77, top score of 125
...Mind you they both striked at 88

Funny that even at minnow bashing, Babar is superior to the young professor.
 
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