Why has the Kashmir issue failed to receive worldwide attention like Palestine?

[Rafa]

And I'm not even considering the Western World who could be biased towards India over an issue that concerns Muslims.

However, even among Muslims apart from Pakistanis there is hardly any awareness regarding the Kashmir dispute anywhere around the World. It's not uncommon to come across Muslims from diverse countries like Malaysia, Indonesia, Morocco, Egypt, Mali, Sudan, Somalia, Libya who offer moral and vocal support to the Palestinian struggle against Israel whereas the same Muslims are completely unaware of the Kashmir issue. Infact, many of them especially Arabs have extremely friendy opinion of India / Indians and don't see the Indian State as an oppressor.

Even the Kashmiris in India are quite vocal about their support towards Palestine and express solidarity with them. And that makes you wonder whether the Palestinians are aware of problems of Muslims in other parts of the World?

By support within Muslims, I don't mean an odd token comment made by Head of a State in some Islamic conference but support among common Muslims of other countries.

There are so many Muslims countries around the World who maintain limited to No diplomatic relations with Israel over the issue of Palestine. Can we even imagine these countries to break up their ties with India in order to exert more pressure over the human rights abuses in Kashmir?

Say whatever about India, but you have to offer credit to them over strong relations and friendly image that they have maintained throughout the Muslim World inspite of the illegal occupation in Kashmir. Maybe it's due to diplomacy at the highest level, PR machinery or just Bollywood fan following, but India's image in eyes of the wider Muslim World is far from being an Evil Oppressor.

 

[boomboomcheema]

I think it's mostly got to do with smart diplomacy by India. Look no further from Iranians or Afghans, they are among the most Pro - Indian people that one could come across. Impressive how easily India won over them.

 

[Madplayer]

Its has to do with the holy land, al aqsa and the other emotions attached to Palestine.

 

[Madplayer]

Also international media isn't allowed to move freely in kashmir. Channels like press tv which actually tried to make efforts to highlight the plight of kashmiris was banned by india. They have put a gag on any such agency's presence in kashmir which would present a different narrative than India's.

 

[javiersuka]

India is too big an economy for the Gulf States to be sidelined over petty issues like Kashmir.

 

[Pakpak]

Because Pakistanis in the West (especially) are obsessed about Palestine on social media and in normal social discourse. If they spent half the time crying and putting up avatars and pictures of Kashmir on Facebook instead of Palestine then maybe we'd get there. Palestine gets a lot of press because Western Muslims big it up daily in Western countries, be it on social media or street protests or radio or TV. Noone does that about Kashmir hence noone cares about Kashmir.

 

[boomboomcheema]

Because Pakistanis in the West (especially) are obsessed about Palestine on social media and in normal social discourse. If they spent half the time crying and putting up avatars and pictures of Kashmir on Facebook instead of Palestine then maybe we'd get there. Palestine gets a lot of press because Western Muslims big it up daily in Western countries, be it on social media or street protests or radio or TV. Noone does that about Kashmir hence noone cares about Kashmir.

Agree. If an issue gets highlighted repeatedly among the Western media, then it will garner more publicity and attention.

I think the Sri Lanka/ LTTE has received far more attention than Kashmir in the West.

Or the issue of Tibet, which is such a big deal in most Western Nations. Even Hollywood Stars support Tibet against China.

On that front, Pakistan has failed to expose the real face of Indian State terrorism in Kashmir.

 

[Zak_Fan]

Just to add to my comment above, I think Indian occupation of Kashmir being illegal is only a Pakistani point of view. Rest of the world doesn't share this opinion.

 

[chacha kashmiri]

Because we're more bothered about telling nawaz sharif to go or who imran Khan is marrying next

Also the fact there's more muslims in India and that the worldwide ulema opposed the creation of Pakistan and that Pakistan have been bitten in the backside by terrorist groups in the past few years really puts any kind of militant support at a bare minimum


Also with geopolitics and Indian using the opportunity to stop Pakistani influence in Bollywood and the rise of ziaism in India complicates the situation

Kashmiris should maybe have done more to put their country on the map but again Pakistani kashmirs have never been to Indian Kashmir and vice versa

 

[Finisher]

Just to add to my comment above, I think Indian occupation of Kashmir being illegal is only a Pakistani point of view. Rest of the world doesn't share this opinion.

Forget the worlds opinion, what matters is the common Kashmiri's opinion.

 

[hafeezrocks]

Forget about Palestine, the Ahmadis get more attention in the West than the plight of Kashmiris in India.

Even if the Indian Army wipes out the entire Kashmiri race, it's unlikely that many would even bat an eyelid in West.

 

[Slog]

Just to add to my comment above, I think Indian occupation of Kashmir being illegal is only a Pakistani point of view. Rest of the world doesn't share this opinion.

Well that's not true.

Almost all foreign government recognise it as disputed territory

 

[Musakhel]

What has Publicity achieved for Palestinians?, you can not get freedom by doing protest and throwing stones, it requires much more than that.

Also Indian muslims are completely silent on this issue.

 

[srh]

Kashmiris are also at fault. They have not been consistent in longing for freedom.

 

[chacha kashmiri]

What has Publicity achieved for Palestinians?, you can not get freedom by doing protest and throwing stones, it requires much more than that.

Also Indian muslims are completely silent on this issue.

Most European countries are in solidarity with Palestine and have even gone as far as accepting it as a nation in its own right

 

[Zak_Fan]

[MENTION=138463]Slog[/MENTION] Does not make it an illegal occupation. Kashmir annexed to India legally, and the status will stay the same unless a plebiscite takes place.

 

[Tera Gawaandi]

India is not viewed as Anti-Islam country, Anti-Pakistan establishment big Yes. India has very good relations with Islamic world even better than Pakistan.

 

[Madplayer]

Kashmiris are also at fault. They have not been consistent in longing for freedom.

True to some extent but not completely. Kashmiris have been fighting since what 70 years now? There have been phases of calm in between where people dont come out on streets and take bullets. The movement is less vocal that time but it never dies to be born again. Its always there. For the first 20-30 years after partition, people were hopeful that a resolution will take place by peaceful means. When it didnt happen even after wars, and when opression at the hands of indian army and union governments crossed all levels of inhumanity, the next generation took up arms. Those were the darkest times. Anyone could have been killed and NO one held accountable. Not even a trace of the killers. Then militancy subsided a bit and the next generation came out on streets holding stones ( which has been a part of kashmiri armoury since early 1900s but popularised since last few years). So the struggle has been perpetual. If anything , you can criticise the people for not been vocal enough during the phases of calm.

Last 5 months have been complete chaos. 5 months is a very long time, lives have been affected, mental state of people have been affected. Cases of depression have skyrocketed. People have been subjected to collective punishment. UN offices are being asked to wind up.

By now, Any liberal country in the world would have tried to take viable steps based on democratic principles and the promises made by their forefathers to resolve the matter. On the contrary India's hegemony at the back of military might is seeing no end. Kashmiris are fighting against a nation who doesnt care about ruining lives to retain the land they claim their own.

 

[Madplayer]

[MENTION=138463]Slog[/MENTION] Does not make it an illegal occupation. Kashmir annexed to India legally, and the status will stay the same unless a plebiscite takes place.

Lol Kashmir wasn't the property of that one man who got blackmailed by India. Read the latest statements of hari singh's son karan singh about the promises India has broken and the terms on which the document of acession was signed ( if at all it was). He even spoke of it in the indian parliament. But as usual , Indian ears became deaf at that time.

 

[Itachi]

Lol Kashmir wasn't the property of that one man who got blackmailed by India. Read the latest statements of hari singh's son karan singh about the promises India has broken and the terms on which the document of acession was signed ( if at all it was). He even spoke of it in the indian parliament. But as usual , Indian ears became deaf at that time.

Way to manipulate the words and to come to a conclusion that fits your agenda.

 

[gani999]

I think it's mostly got to do with smart diplomacy by India. Look no further from Iranians or Afghans, they are among the most Pro - Indian people that one could come across. Impressive how easily India won over them.

Prior to 1991, India was almost a pariah state in the Western world and Pakistan was the apple of everyone's eye. Apart from the USSR and a couple of African nations, no one saw eye to eye with India on any issue. During the 1970s and 1980s, Indian diplomats in the UN were considered the most uncouth and lacking in personality while Pakistani diplomats were considered smarter and much more articulate . This was largely because Pakistan sent its smartest diplomats to the UN while India sent mostly the bumpkins who had the blessing of some silly Janata politician.

Yet, Pakistan could not make any headway with Kashmir in the UN. Zilch. Why do you think this is so? It has a lot to do with Western powers privately agreeing with India's stand on Kashmir.

India has become respected in the UN circles only in the last twenty years or so. The turnaround came mainly during Atal Behari Vajpayee's tenure as PM.

 

[Zak_Fan]

Lol Kashmir wasn't the property of that one man who got blackmailed by India. Read the latest statements of hari singh's son karan singh about the promises India has broken and the terms on which the document of acession was signed ( if at all it was). He even spoke of it in the indian parliament. But as usual , Indian ears became deaf at that time.

Way to twist the facts and history. Present your arguments internationally, and maybe someone will care. Guess what, you have already done that, and nothing came out of it.

Truth be spoken, the only illegal occupation of Kashmir at the moment is the one of Azad Kashmir. Throughout history, not a single event or agreement gave Pakistan the right to hold this territory.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

You can't compare the middle east to other parts of the world simply because of the close relationship with Israel and the USA which has supplied generations of settlers to populate Palestine.

You could ask why the Turk/Greek dispute over Cyprus doesn't receive worldwide attention as well. Because no one apart from those countries is affected.

 

[Madplayer]

Way to twist the facts and history. Present your arguments internationally, and maybe someone will care. Guess what, you have already done that, and nothing came out of it.

Truth be spoken, the only illegal occupation of Kashmir at the moment is the one of Azad Kashmir. Throughout history, not a single event or agreement gave Pakistan the right to hold this territory.

Nice "truth" spoken by you. *applause *

What are the facts and what is the history then? Lets see a completely unbiased and neutral Indian telling a Kashmiri about how his land doesnt belong to him but to a country which has kept half its military in it.

 

[Madplayer]

Way to manipulate the words and to come to a conclusion that fits your agenda.

Ok lets say something which fits your agenda.

Kashmiris should be blinded and maimed because Kashmir is India's crown. Kashmiri pandits were killed and drawn out by terrorist kashmiri muslims and are suffering in poverty as refugees. Kashmir is an integral part of india. Its not a dispute. The UN should wind up its office from srinagar , it has no business there at all. Pakistan creates disturbances in kashmir otherwise there is no problem at all. Only a handful of misguided people create problems. Kashmiri People love indian army. Indian army saved them in floods.

Did i forget anything?

 

[Varun]

I would guess that since Saudi Arabia sees no problem with the current status-quo on Kashmir, the wider Muslim populace that the OP is referring to couldn't care much either.

 

[MenInG]

I would guess that since Saudi Arabia sees no problem with the current status-quo on Kashmir, the wider Muslim populace that the OP is referring to couldn't care much either.

Think Muslim world doesnt look at Saudi in some "Vaticanesque" way

Unless you are talking about the money angle?

 

[TalentSpotterPk]

Chaudhry Zafrullah Khan sahib raised equal voice for Kashmir and Palestine at UN.


The top most ranked general Akhter Hussain malik was an Ahmadi Muslim and regarded as a top most generals in history of Pakistan.

In April 1965 he was about to capture Jammu when Ayub Khan could not see him hero in history,,,,, brought him back from the battle field controversially and sent Yayha khan who eventually lost due to the change in command,,,,,, Gen AKhter Hussain malik was killed by CIA in a car accident in Turkey,,, The most wanted genius General of Pakistan.

The Kargil plan was incarnation of AKhter HUssain's plan of capturing Kashmir.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akhtar_Hussain_Malik

 

[troodon]

If Kashmir was in Arabia, then Arabs would care about it.

Arabs do not seem to care much about Kashmiris or Rohingyas etc.

Arab nations cannot bully India. The only nation that can bully India is USA. But India and USA are best pals at the moment. Things can change in a few decades from now. But its a long way away.

 

[chacha kashmiri]

If Kashmir was in Arabia, then Arabs would care about it.

Arabs do not seem to care much about Kashmiris or Rohingyas etc.

Arab nations cannot bully India. The only nation that can bully India is USA. But India and USA are best pals at the moment. Things can change in a few decades from now. But its a long way away.

Without sounding like an Arab apologist modi is one of those world leaders who cosies up the emiratis at every possible moment and even lauds Muslim education in audiences with them
So much for being a Hindu nationalist


It seems like every one but Pakistan is after a-rab money

 

[Thivagar]

Why didn't anybody do anything about Congolese war that killed 5,000,000 People or the Darfur genocide that killed over a million people ? How about when 35% of East Timor's entire population was wiped out ? Simply the media didn't cover it much as they should have and people didn't care. Same applies here. The only reason Pakistanis care is because Kashmir is a Muslims state. Atrocities happen all the time and you can only connect with places that you have strong connection with and you can react to.

 

[Thivagar]

Without sounding like an Arab apologist modi is one of those world leaders who cosies up the emiratis at every possible moment and even lauds Muslim education in audiences with them
So much for being a Hindu nationalist


It seems like every one but Pakistan is after a-rab money

He is not a Hindu fanatic, he is a nationalist. He is educated and smart enough meaning he is more religious in the eyes of the public than he actually is. He can still appreciate the leaders of different religion. He is not a nut job.

 

[troodon]

Without sounding like an Arab apologist modi is one of those world leaders who cosies up the emiratis at every possible moment and even lauds Muslim education in audiences with them
So much for being a Hindu nationalist


It seems like every one but Pakistan is after a-rab money

Modi is no dummy. What people say during elections and what they do after winning the elections are two different things.

 

[Pakistanian]

Why didn't anybody do anything about Congolese war that killed 5,000,000 People or the Darfur genocide that killed over a million people ? How about when 35% of East Timor's entire population was wiped out ? Simply the media didn't cover it much as they should have and people didn't care. Same applies here. The only reason Pakistanis care is because Kashmir is a Muslims state. Atrocities happen all the time and you can only connect with places that you have strong connection with and you can react to.

Dude Pakistanis don't just care for kashmir because of religion, we also care because of cultural and historical reasons, we share the same land and history. Many of our leaders originate from that land and there's a lot more we share in common than meets the eye.

 

[Thivagar]

Dude Pakistanis don't just care for kashmir because of religion, we also care because of cultural and historical reasons, we share the same land and history. Many of our leaders originate from that land and there's a lot more we share in common than meets the eye.

You guys have more connection hence you care. Same reason why the entire Western world went nuts after Paris bombings but nobody cared when there was a Turkish bomb blast. Western world couldn't connect enough with Turkey and hence didn't care. To be honest Kashmir's issue isn't big enough for the world to consider, even if it became big, India is a huge market, billions of money are to be made with Indian market. Why would anybody get to the bad side of India ? Why would they let their competitors make money of India ? USA and UK wouldn't gain anything by supporting Kashmiris at all. On the other hand, playing nice with India has many advantages.

 

[Thivagar]

What has Publicity achieved for Palestinians?, you can not get freedom by doing protest and throwing stones, it requires much more than that.

Also Indian muslims are completely silent on this issue.

Only very small portion of the Indian Muslims can connect with Muslims outside of India, vast majority don't have the same culture, language, or tradition as "Muslims". They still eat their own regional food, listen to regional music, speak regional language and so on. You may get very small number of people with ancestors from Persia,Sindhi and etc but they probably have lost their roots. Not all Muslims in India see non-Indian Muslims as their type. Besides I'm sure 99% of the Indians don't know or don't believe in all the "atrocities" that is supposedly happening.

 

[Saeed]

Because only Pakistan cares about Kashmir but Pakistan situation is hopeless.To be honest you can't expect international community to take Pakistan serious when same Pakistan treats it's own people the way Indians treat Kashmiris. This is equivalent to Saudis or Iranian dictators talking about human rights. Though one thing is pretty clear, Pakistan won't be "liberating" a thing with its current mindset.

 

[KingKhanWC]

There should be no need since there are nearly 200 Muslims living in India. They alone can change the situation but they have disgraced themselves in this regard, in general.

 

[Rafa]

There should be no need since there are nearly 200 Muslims living in India. They alone can change the situation but they have disgraced themselves in this regard, in general.

Correct, but didn't even consider them taking into account the silence that Indian Muslims have maintained over the Kashmir issue.

Maybe they are also in agreement with policies of their Government and Army with regards to treatment of Kashmiris.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Correct, but didn't even consider them taking into account the silence that Indian Muslims have maintained over the Kashmir issue.

Maybe they are also in agreement with policies of their Government and Army with regards to treatment of Kashmiris.

At present with the likes of the BJP in power, any group is just probably scared to raise any concerns of Kashmir worrying of communal violence. When Muslims have protested certain issues the hardline Hindu's confront them. This is really no excuse as freedom for Kashmir will be more freedom for them.

 

[Itachi]

Ok lets say something which fits your agenda.

Kashmiris should be blinded and maimed because Kashmir is India's crown. Kashmiri pandits were killed and drawn out by terrorist kashmiri muslims and are suffering in poverty as refugees. Kashmir is an integral part of india. Its not a dispute. The UN should wind up its office from srinagar , it has no business there at all. Pakistan creates disturbances in kashmir otherwise there is no problem at all. Only a handful of misguided people create problems. Kashmiri People love indian army. Indian army saved them in floods.

Did i forget anything?

Don't change the subject. What I'll ask is, what he said which can lead to the conclusion you made? Because I have a totally different version.

 

[Thivagar]

There should be no need since there are nearly 200 Muslims living in India. They alone can change the situation but they have disgraced themselves in this regard, in general.

They don't want to. They don't feel the same connection as you have. You okay with Baloch wanting a separate state ? Do you recognize the Bengali Genocide of 71 ? If you can turn blind eye to those, Indian muslims can turn blind eye to these atrocities as well.

 

[uberkoen]

Chaudhry Zafrullah Khan sahib raised equal voice for Kashmir and Palestine at UN.


The top most ranked general Akhter Hussain malik was an Ahmadi Muslim and regarded as a top most generals in history of Pakistan.

In April 1965 he was about to capture Jammu when Ayub Khan could not see him hero in history,,,,, brought him back from the battle field controversially and sent Yayha khan who eventually lost due to the change in command,,,,,, Gen AKhter Hussain malik was killed by CIA in a car accident in Turkey,,, The most wanted genius General of Pakistan.

The Kargil plan was incarnation of AKhter HUssain's plan of capturing Kashmir.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akhtar_Hussain_Malik

Operation Gibraltar and Grandslam were both failures and Akhtar Hussain was nowhere near capturing Jammu.

Gibraltar was a good idea on paper but lacked the coordination required to carry out such a plan and was very poorly planned from the offset.

 

[Madplayer]

Don't change the subject. What I'll ask is, what he said which can lead to the conclusion you made? Because I have a totally different version.

"Son of the erstwhile king of Kashmir, Mr. Singh said the government is weakening its claim on the State by refusing to look at the international dimensions to the issue as half of the state’s territory is under Pakistani and Chinese occupation"

“Today, we have barely 42,000 square miles under our control,” said Mr.Singh, while addressing the lawmakers at Rajya Sabha. “To say that we will not talk is not a mature response. When we say we do not need to talk to Pakistan, have we legitimised that [Pakistan occupied Kashmir]?”




Senior Congress leader and Rajya Sabha member Karan Singh urged the government on Wednesday to abstain from stating that the political instability in Jammu and Kashmir was “an internal matter” of India.

Son of the erstwhile king of Kashmir, Mr. Singh said the government is weakening its claim on the State by refusing to look at the international dimensions to the issue as half of the state’s territory is under Pakistani and Chinese occupation.



“Today, we have barely 42,000 square miles under our control,” said Mr.Singh, while addressing the lawmakers at Rajya Sabha. “To say that we will not talk is not a mature response. When we say we do not need to talk to Pakistan, have we legitimised that [Pakistan occupied Kashmir]?”

While insisting on restoration of the dialogue process with Pakistan, Mr. Singh reminded the House that on October 27, 1947, when his father Maharaja Hari Singh, then ruler of the princely state, signed an Instrument of Accession with the Union of India, the development happened on three principles — that only Defence, Communications and Foreign Affairs would be handled by the Centre, and the rest will be under the state.

“I was in the House when the Accession was signed. However, please remember something more, my father acceded for three subjects — Defence, Communications and Foreign Affairs. He signed the same Instrument of Accession that all the other princely states signed. But all other states subsequently merged. And J&K did not merge,” said Mr. Singh.

“J&K’s relationship with the rest of India is guided by Article 370 and the State Constitution that I signed into law. We must realise that from the very beginning, J&K, rightly or wrongly, has been given a special position. Now [after] that special position from the original three subjects, there have been a whole series of developments — some may call them positive developments of integration, others may say negative developments of reducing autonomy,” he added.

http://www.thehindu.com/news/nation...tter-of-India-Karan-Singh/article14562551.ece

Can it get any clearer than that? He clearly says that kashmir was acceded to india on some principles (which had to be followed till a plebiscite took place) and instead india has gradually taken away the autonomy of the state. Also openly asking india to talk to Pakistan and take up the "international" aspect of the dispute.

Now we need to acknowledge that he is an MP so he has to be a bit guarded in his responses. He cant just spit out things the way they are. In a saffron extremist country where people get booked for not standing up for anthem before watching a movie his personal safety is at stake here.

 

[Moh@n]

This thread is hilarious.

Only the Indian administered Kashmir comes under the UN dispute it seems, as Pakistan has allowed China to construct a corridor that runs through Gilgit Baltistan

Pakistanis should be the last people to talk ethics, having gifted away a part of PoK to China. Such a disputed region, wow.

Also to the folks crying plebiscite - Ask your government to implement the first step of the UN resolution, that is to withdraw troops from PoK. Plebiscite is the third step of the resolution.

 

[adit_sh]

It will be great if both countries agree to race with each other on developing their respective Kashmir

 

[JaDed]

Probably because all the concerned parties are big time hypocrites.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Because only Pakistan cares about Kashmir but Pakistan situation is hopeless.To be honest you can't expect international community to take Pakistan serious when same Pakistan treats it's own people the way Indians treat Kashmiris. This is equivalent to Saudis or Iranian dictators talking about human rights. Though one thing is pretty clear, Pakistan won't be "liberating" a thing with its current mindset.

What could Pakistan do differently that would make any difference to India's stance on Kashmir? In fact, a better question would be, what could both countries do differently that would make a difference to uplift the living standards of Kashmir as a whole?

 

[Madplayer]

What could Pakistan do differently that would make any difference to India's stance on Kashmir? In fact, a better question would be, what could both countries do differently that would make a difference to uplift the living standards of Kashmir as a whole?

Living standards of kashmir is fine. Compared to the Indian states, kashmir has negligible poverty rate due. This has a lot to do with rise in local entrepreneurs , dependence on unorganised tourism sector , decently well managed system of bait-ul-maals in mosques etc.. As we say in kashmir, "sab apna saag chawal ( haakh batte in kashmiri) khaate hain". Not many buisness tycoons but not many poor as well. Yes unemployment is still a massive issue due to negligible direct presence of private companies. Shouldnt the demands of kashmiris, even after enjoying relative economic prosperity, send a message across?

 

[Metron]

Living standards of kashmir is fine. Compared to the Indian states, kashmir has negligible poverty rate due. This has a lot to do with rise in local entrepreneurs , dependence on unorganised tourism sector , decently well managed system of bait-ul-maals in mosques etc.. As we say in kashmir, "sab apna saag chawal ( haakh batte in kashmiri) khaate hain". Not many buisness tycoons but not many poor as well. Yes unemployment is still a massive issue due to negligible direct presence of private companies. Shouldnt the demands of kashmiris, even after enjoying relative economic prosperity, send a message across?

Where did you manage to find that stat?

 

[Madplayer]

Where did you manage to find that stat?

Uhmm, because i live there?
And also
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_states_and_territories_ranked_by_poverty

 

[Metron]

Uhmm, because i live there?
And also
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_states_and_territories_ranked_by_poverty

A surprising stat .. thanks!

 

[Moh@n]

Some very uncomfortable questions

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[Indiafan]

At present with the likes of the BJP in power, any group is just probably scared to raise any concerns of Kashmir worrying of communal violence. When Muslims have protested certain issues the hardline Hindu's confront them. This is really no excuse as freedom for Kashmir will be more freedom for them.

BJP has been in power hardly for 7-8 years out of 65 years of Independence

 

[Wasim_Waqar]

I'm Kashmiri.

Just follow me on social media. I highlight it regularly. Rather than just post about the issue, I've changed my tactics.

I now share pictures of Kashmir including my trip to Keran in June.
I'm Kashmiri from the maternal side.

Just follow me on social media. I highlight it regularly. Rather than just post about the issue, I've changed my tactics.

I now share pictures of Kashmir including my trip to Keran in June.

If Kashmir was in the Middle East and had oil, everyone would care.

We (Pakistan) have been the only reason why Kashmir continues to be an important issue on the world stage, which is obviously a good thing.

Agree about western Pakistanis who jump up and down for Arab causes but not for Kashmir. It's a touch different for Pakistanis in Pakistan who have much more solidarity with Kashmiris.

 

[Wasim_Waqar]

At the LoC in Keran. The river is the LoC dividing the two parts of Keran

 

[Wasim_Waqar]

 

[chacha kashmiri]

I'm Kashmiri.

Just follow me on social media. I highlight it regularly. Rather than just post about the issue, I've changed my tactics.

I now share pictures of Kashmir including my trip to Keran in June.
I'm Kashmiri from the maternal side.

Just follow me on social media. I highlight it regularly. Rather than just post about the issue, I've changed my tactics.

I now share pictures of Kashmir including my trip to Keran in June.

If Kashmir was in the Middle East and had oil, everyone would care.

We (Pakistan) have been the only reason why Kashmir continues to be an important issue on the world stage, which is obviously a good thing.

Agree about western Pakistanis who jump up and down for Arab causes but not for Kashmir. It's a touch different for Pakistanis in Pakistan who have much more solidarity with Kashmiris.

How many times have you been to Indian held Kashmir

 

[Wasim_Waqar]

How many times have you been to Indian held Kashmir

Not been yet. I planned for May 2016 but sadly my gran passed away in Pakistan and so we didn't go to IOK.

Will do at some point.

 

[Wasim_Waqar]

Then again this is Keran (picture) where the river (loc) separates the village into Neelum Valley (AJK) and Kupwara (IOK).

The green grass on the other side of the river is Kupwara.

 

[Adil_94]

the Kashmiri diaspora isnt anywhere near a big as the Palestinian one. Palestinians are much more visible in the West especially in America. Also Israel/Palestine is in a geo political hot spot and is an issue that directly affects western nations. Pakistanis cry about Palestine a lot more in the West. As do all other western Muslims if something happens in Arab countries they highlight it a lot more. apart from some Pakistanis no other groups highlight it arabs dont care about non arab issues. Western media dont care about it. Also leftists who support Palestine see it is an issue of colonialism between the european Zionists
and the Arabs. a conflict between two third world countries isnt sexy enough for them.

 

[chacha kashmiri]

Not been yet. I planned for May 2016 but sadly my gran passed away in Pakistan and so we didn't go to IOK.

Will do at some point.

Fair enough

As a Pakistani from poonch I don't share language or landscape with them
Never been and I can't go either

 

[Wasim_Waqar]

Fair enough

As a Pakistani from poonch I don't share language or landscape with them
Never been and I can't go either

Im a Pakistani too. Your statement highlights a problem. We should see ourselves as the same as those from the valley....i certainly do.

Poonch is divided between AJK and IOK and the landscape is similar. Of course Poonch has beautiful places like Rawalakot (inc Banjosa) Abbaspur and Hajira.

Ps my pic above would have been taken with Indian soldiers watching

 

[Wasim_Waqar]

the Kashmiri diaspora isnt anywhere near a big as the Palestinian one. Palestinians are much more visible in the West especially in America. Also Israel/Palestine is in a geo political hot spot and is an issue that directly affects western nations. Pakistanis cry about Palestine a lot more in the West. As do all other western Muslims if something happens in Arab countries they highlight it a lot more. apart from some Pakistanis no other groups highlight it arabs dont care about non arab issues. Western media dont care about it. Also leftists who support Palestine see it is an issue of colonialism between the european Zionists
and the Arabs. a conflict between two third world countries isnt sexy enough for them.

Pakistanis will be concerned once India tries to deprive Pakistan of water from Indian occupied Kashmir.

 

[Bilal7]

Palestine is the site of Jerusalem and the Al Aqsa mosque and the tragedy that is happening there is worse than what is happening in Kashmir. Palestine has a huge importance in Islam, Kashmir not so much.

 

[Wasim_Waqar]

What makes it "worse?" If anything the situation in Kashmir is worse.

Palestine has huge importance for Islam, but doesn't mean that (western) Pakistanis should ignore non Arab causes, especially people in the backyard who want to be part of the country and are suffering at the hands of the neighbours.

 

[Bilal7]

Probably because all the concerned parties are big time hypocrites.

India being the biggest one. You'd think they would have learned something after the British occupation.

 

[Bilal7]

What makes it "worse?" If anything the situation in Kashmir is worse.

Palestine has huge importance for Islam, but doesn't mean that (western) Pakistanis should ignore non Arab causes, especially people in the backyard who want to be part of the country and are suffering at the hands of the neighbours.

I am a Muslim Canadian. My attachment to Kashmir is in the fact that my fellow Muslims are being subjugated there, like my attachment to Palestine. One is more important than the other but even then, Kashmir should definitely not be neglected.

Given what [MENTION=131678]Madplayer[/MENTION] said, the Kashmiris are not going through th crisis that the Palestinians are.

 

[Wasim_Waqar]

I am a Muslim Canadian. My attachment to Kashmir is in the fact that my fellow Muslims are being subjugated there, like my attachment to Palestine. One is more important than the other but even then, Kashmir should definitely not be neglected.

Given what [MENTION=131678]Madplayer[/MENTION] said, the Kashmiris are not going through th crisis that the Palestinians are.

Are you aware of the Kashmir occupation by India and what is done? People often underestimate it because of its lack of coverage and because people have a seemingly higher regard for Arab lives.

Secondly I am Muslim and that's my faith. I care about all lives but I'm Pakistani and I've Kashmiri blood in me; so for me charity starts at home, thus Kashmir means more to me.

 

[Wasim_Waqar]

I am a Muslim Canadian. My attachment to Kashmir is in the fact that my fellow Muslims are being subjugated there, like my attachment to Palestine. One is more important than the other but even then, Kashmir should definitely not be neglected.

Given what [MENTION=131678]Madplayer[/MENTION] said, the Kashmiris are not going through th crisis that the Palestinians are.

Ps I respect your opinion even if I disagree

 

[Adil_94]

as someone from a Pakistani background. Kashmir is more important than Palestine to me. Arabs have repeatedly shown they dont care about Kashmir. The idea of Ummah only exists in the eyes of diaspora Muslims and some naive Pakistanis. Pakistanis at home and abroad should focus more on Kashmir.

 

[MenInG]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I want to thank Supreme Leader Khamenei, & President Erdogan, for speaking against the oppression & massacre of Muslims in India & Kashmiris in IOJK by the Hindu Supremacist Modi regime. <a href="https://t.co/sUeIJ81q58">https://t.co/sUeIJ81q58</a></p>— Imran Khan (@ImranKhanPTI) <a href="https://twitter.com/ImranKhanPTI/status/1235601876596461569?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 5, 2020</a></blockquote>
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[MenInG]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Sadly, few voices from the Muslim World are speaking out & condemning this; & more voices are being raised in the West condemning the Hindu Supremacist Modi regime's massacre of Muslims in India & Kashmiris in IOJK.</p>— Imran Khan (@ImranKhanPTI) <a href="https://twitter.com/ImranKhanPTI/status/1235601879868100608?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 5, 2020</a></blockquote>
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[sweep_shot]

Palestine issue is important to worldwide Muslims because Jerusalem is the third holiest place in Islam.

Kashmir is not a holy place and hence Muslims outside of subcontinent (specially Pakistan) may not care about it as much as Palestine. Same with Uighur and Rohingya.

I hope and pray that all of these conflicts will be resolved soon. May God give them freedom and peace.

 

[Local.Dada]

Why isn't Imran Khan as part of the Muslim world and the true leader of Pakistan sending "his" army or diplomats and involving them in the Turkey-Syria conflict?

Well le me simplify it because it is not Pakistan or Pakistan army's business to be involved.

About time Imran Khan stops this whole Muslim world rhetoric and focuses on internal issues. If he has a problem with Indian government in Kashmir he can voice his personal opinion.

As mentioned many times Kashmir is a territorial dispute not a religious one and if it is Pakistan claiming the territory they can complaint to whomever they want like they already did instead of trying to give this a religious angle. Nothing ever good comes out of that.

 

[troodon]

Any country supporting Kashmir separatists has to remember that the split from India is based on religion and nothing else.

Hence most democratic countries do not support the Kashmir issue.

 

[Itachi]

Because India has a bigger presence in international forum than Pakistan. You may bow to bigger nations but the nature of begging makes you look weak even if you are close to them.

One or two isolated incidents doesn't put a dent in India's status in international forum.

 

[Napa]

And I'm not even considering the Western World who could be biased towards India over an issue that concerns Muslims.

However, even among Muslims apart from Pakistanis there is hardly any awareness regarding the Kashmir dispute anywhere around the World. It's not uncommon to come across Muslims from diverse countries like Malaysia, Indonesia, Morocco, Egypt, Mali, Sudan, Somalia, Libya who offer moral and vocal support to the Palestinian struggle against Israel whereas the same Muslims are completely unaware of the Kashmir issue. Infact, many of them especially Arabs have extremely friendy opinion of India / Indians and don't see the Indian State as an oppressor.

Even the Kashmiris in India are quite vocal about their support towards Palestine and express solidarity with them. And that makes you wonder whether the Palestinians are aware of problems of Muslims in other parts of the World?

By support within Muslims, I don't mean an odd token comment made by Head of a State in some Islamic conference but support among common Muslims of other countries.

There are so many Muslims countries around the World who maintain limited to No diplomatic relations with Israel over the issue of Palestine. Can we even imagine these countries to break up their ties with India in order to exert more pressure over the human rights abuses in Kashmir?

Say whatever about India, but you have to offer credit to them over strong relations and friendly image that they have maintained throughout the Muslim World inspite of the illegal occupation in Kashmir. Maybe it's due to diplomacy at the highest level, PR machinery or just Bollywood fan following, but India's image in eyes of the wider Muslim World is far from being an Evil Oppressor.

Answer is simple. Kashmiris have all the democratic rights that Indians have including the right to vote.

Palestinians do not have that.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

Answer is simple. Kashmiris have all the democratic rights that Indians have including the right to vote.

Palestinians do not have that.

What a joke. India has been rigging elections in Kashmir since well before 1989. It's leaders, even the pro-Indian ones are under detention without trial under a draconian law. On every couple of yards there is an Indian soldier. And any shred of special rights that Kashmiris had have now been thrown in the dustbin.

Anybody who believes Kashmiris have any democratic rights or any say in deciding their future is only lying to himself.

 

[IndianHero]

Internet is back in kashmir and people are doing their day to jobs in kashmir without any curfew. So, this is the reason things didn't internationalize as IK wanted it to be. But rest assured even pakistani politicians will forget about kashmir 6 months from now.

Its amazing on Modi resolved J & K issue within few months ! Modi hai tho munkin hai.