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Why have religious parties done so poorly in Pakistani elections?

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The Jamatis are the ones with a manifesto of how to turn Pakistan into a Islamic State backed by the writings of a heavyweight like Syed Ala Abul Mawdudi who has the most detailed blueprint of how a modern Islamic State would work. The greatest Islamist ideologue of the twentieth century IMO whether u like him or not.

Pakistan is a religious country yet despite religious parties in general having a lot of sway over public opinion and heavily influencing public discourse especially when it comes to issue such as blasphemy.

Jamat E Islami JUI cant become a majority why is it that despite their cultural influence they cant translate that into big electoral successes. And the parties like PML-N and PPP which are steeped in corruption and nepotism get much more vores.

Is it Pakistan's politcal system that prevents them from.getting more power and would Proportional Representation help or is it people paying lip service to religion but not willing to give votes to an explicitly religious party in the elections.
 
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It's better this way. The only role a Mullah should have in society is just to give Azaan and lead in prayers. Nothing more than that.
 
[MENTION=138254]Syed1[/MENTION] but religious parties do have influence in large sections of society as does a lot of their rhetoric. Do people just play it safe when it comes to the ballot box.
 
Pakistani society has become more religious in the last decade or so. Before that, I always felt Pakistanis were culturally muslim and of course practically too, but not to the extent of wanting an Islamic state. This is what differentiates our society from Arab societies; we are more spiritual and less dogmatic. Not surprising as our brand of Islam has been Sufism. This is what is reflect in poll results, IMO.

With Saudi pumping $$$ into our madrassahs this may change over time (religious intolerance is already at an all time high), but I am hopeful we will be able to avoid this morally fatalistic strike to our society's essence.
 
:)) Clearly Pakistanis, for all the noise they make about necessity of blasphemy laws and how the identity of the state cannot be seperated from religion, will not put their money where their mouth is as they deep down don't want to live in a 6th Century state under the Jamaatis.
 
For them to win, they must propagate the idea that Islam is under threat from other political parties and only they can protect the rights of muslims. Till then they have to contend with being pressure groups who correct the ruling party when they deviate from the true path of religion. In short, they have to follow BJP's blueprint, but they need a villain anti muslim party for that.
 
The areas which constitute Pakistan have historically had a a strong tribal/feudal background and factors such as language, caste, ethnicity and tribal affiliation are still essential for electoral success. Ironically, the message of religious parties maybe a little too egalitarian to be successful on a large scale as it appeals to a single muslim identity over other affiliations which are still too relevant to be ignored.
 
because contrary to popular belief, our nation doesnt believe in the mulla as leader of country... we hace never accepted religious political leaders and most of us see through their facade
 
Religious parties do not have any practical solutions to problems like poverty and eliminating hunger. They just use people's faith to emotionally blackmail them then turn back on all promises like other parties do. Another thing is that most Pakistanis are conservative not religious in how the mullah brigade is.
 
[MENTION=136588]CricketCartoons[/MENTION] thats a fair point as a lot of the mainstream parties due infuse religious rhetoric into their words from time to time and dont radically try to alter the status quo. if Pakistan had an aggessive secularist party and force like we have seen in some Middle Eastern countries that would create the idea of a religion under threat then the Jamatis would invariably get a lot more votes.
 
Probably because there's never really been a truly undisputed religious leader with undivided support, mostly because you have lots of sects and groups following their own leaders.

Formation of MMA was their best chance and they did pretty well in 2002 too but unsurprisingly the alliance didn't last long. :))
 
In most countries major ruling parties of Pak would be considering conservatives or even right wings because of their involvement in religion and support for the name "Islamic" in the republic.

Also imho average person is happy with the amount of religion practiced by current ruling leaders,visiting Haj etc,so they don't really have to for Jamaats.
 
Religious parties in Pakistan need to reinvent themselves like bjp did in india😃.focus on developmental issues,some talk on human rights,unemployment,corruption,gazawae hind😂😂etc etc.then manoeuvre with it yahoodi sazish🤗.then there is a chance of acquiring some genuine political power and not being quislings of establishment.although it is happy to see common pakistani despite all talk of religious extremism aren't falling for these hoods.
 
I remember [MENTION=26195]DW44[/MENTION] saying that most of the parties are in bed with extremist religious organizations. I think politicians will take care of their needs and helps them to spread their agenda.
 
In most countries major ruling parties of Pak would be considering conservatives or even right wings because of their involvement in religion and support for the name "Islamic" in the republic.

Also imho average person is happy with the amount of religion practiced by current ruling leaders,visiting Haj etc,so they don't really have to for Jamaats.

Good point.
 
For a combination of reasons, religious parties simply can't attain the critical mass of supporters required for electoral success. First, as Jin said, is the feudal/tribal system and the role caste/ethnicity plays in people's voting patterns. The caste based voter market, which comprises the bulk of rural voters which, in turn, account for the majority of voters in general, is cornered by PML-N and PPP and due to the power dynamics of the feudal system, religious parties can't muscle in on that market.

The second issue is sectarianism. The vast majority of Pakistanis are either Brelvi(~55%) or Shia(~20%). Most major religious parties are either explicitly Deobandi(~15% of the population) or Wahabi(1-2% of the population), or non sectarian in theory but one of those two in practice (Jamat e Islami is one such party). These sects are not particularly fond of each other since the Deobandis and Wahabis, who account for the bulk of religious politicians, consider Brelvis and Shias, who form the bulk of voters, heretics, their appeals to people's religious sensibilities don't translate to votes.

The third factor is funding. Religious parties are not comprised of fedual lords and industrialists who can bankroll massive election campaigns. The molvis counteract that somewhat by aligning themselves with the army which is why you had IJI winning in the immediate aftermath of the Zia dictatorship and MMA forming a provincial government in the Mush years.

Religious parties also suffer from an identity crisis of sorts because their whole selling point was religion and absolutely nothing else. Mainstream parties co-opted that message and incorporated a heavy dose of religion into their otherwise issue based politics which leaves the religious parties without a purpose since the mainstream parties offer what they do and a whole lot more. The most important religious issues for the average Pakistani voter is blasphemy, Islamization of society aka a more pious society, and women's rights (i.e. denying them to women). The politicians have shrewdly incorporated those issues into their agenda e.g. PML-N spending obscene amounts of time and political capital on cracking down on blasphemy, especially online, so people are getting what they want, in a politico-religious sense, from the mainstream parties.

Having said all that, the power that religious parties wield can not be overstated, especially when you account for their lack of electoral success. For one, even though they don't sweep elections, they have this uncanny ability to weasel their way into convenient alliances regardless of who's in power, and bargain for a lot more power and influence than their electoral representation should warrant. JUI-F, for instance, supported Nawaz Sharif in the aftermath of IK's first dharna and later the Panama leaks, getting control of the Islamic Ideology Council in return. That council has stalled or completely thwarted so much progressive legislation in the last three years it's not even funny. JI has pulled off a similar feat in KPK where they managed to form alliance with the PTI and mucking up the education system heavily, bringing it closer in terms of content to the MMA and, before that, the Zia years despite JI having only 6 seats in KPK and PTI being only two seats short of an absolute majority. This lost PTI a lot of votes in Karachi since, from what I understand, Karachi voters heavily penalize parties that are aligned with JI. The most egregious offender, though, is ASWJ who're a poorly disguised front for a terrorist organization but their trump card is that they're army backed so they have somehow managed a feat few, if any, before them have i.e. being in electoral alliances simultaneously with the PML-N and PTI, and even PPP in the fairly recent past.

tl;dr - Religious parties simply aren't structured for electoral success but they have carved out a niche for themselves in our political system which allows them a degree of power entirely disproportionate to their electoral representation and they exercise a considerable influence on our legislation and day to day lives.
 
There are many reasons, let me try to elaborate each one of them:

Its War time message, not piece time

Most of the religious parties message is focus on War time. To be honest, Prophet himself ruled for 10-13 years and he fought 73 Wars in that period, most of his examples and style was war and aggression related, Kalaphis after him were doing the same for most part. The culture (education, Science and Tech, Art) part came in almost 200 years after Islam in that part of the world. Most of the parties focus on founding father and literalism that they preached.

They did gain support at war time, like during the time of 9/11, Mullas do win in KPK, at the back of popularity of Osama, but that was not long lived ;-)

Frankly Army has used them as well, as a means to produce gorilla warriors, both these parties themselves and Army has not found any other use for their political Capital.

Message is very narrowly focused

They run out of ideas, when it comes to building economics, creating an environment where intellect will thrive, promoting culture of Art, Educating masses on modern platform. They are almost opposite of what is needed in all those areas...All their focus is who is muslim and who is not, how to make sure women are under control (aka Hijab), blasphemy is big win for them(they want to keep that intact as long as they can), Shia is Kafir is there next big agenda item for few decades, before that they had Qadani was Kafir, that gave them license to kill them, since life of Kafir is far less valuable and there may be a reward for killing them any way... Building economy, educating masses(madrassa is for producing warriors not 21C work force), is way done the list of their priorities, they don't have anybody in their ranks to focus on those issues anyway...



Army Support is keeping them alive

As I alluded earlier, their main use has been producing gorilla warriors in last few decades. Success of Afghan War has strengthen that ideology and Army has doubled down on them since then. They are kind of happy with that business model, this ensure the ideas they care about (mentioned above) live long and steer the culture of society and who don't like the funding from Oil rich extremist on the side...If Army has not been supporting them for last 4 decades they would have been long gone...

This heavy culture of religion is sort of need for Army to justify its existence, that has strengthen after Afghan war. That has also produced the whole new genre in religion aka Tablighis, who have rotten the intellectual Capital in the country. They are in every sector and department of the country. Islam first has only produce more brainless Tablighis in the country, violence or not, they are killing any creativity left in the country.

Tablighis similar to their extremist brothers have no idea how to fix anything that really matters aka economy, education, creativity etc. All there focus is on getting extra nakkis for next life, they don't care whatever happen to this world...


Pakistan is in confused state

Pakistanis love their Army and their religion in many ways. They both have a partnership that is essential for longevity of both. Both of them have nothing to offer to fix the country's problem it is facing for long time. In many ways those two the main reasons we have so many problems. Religious parties are lot like Army, they cannot win main election but they control key assets of the country, Army control all vision and policy related departments, not to mention the finance as well...Religion controls the culture of the country(which is ultra conservative), without being popular in masses, its best of both world for these institution...As long as their partnership is thriving, country will be tanking :facepalm:
 
Pakistan is still mostly a poor country so there is an opportunity for any political organisation to win votes by providing services or basic needs to the masses. The truth is probably that most parties, whether religious or secular spend more time flapping gums than doing anything useful so we end up with the status quo.
 
Please don conpare JI with other parties, you guys need to do more research about its principles and ideologies. Right now their leader cannot convey its message in the right way and dosent look like a true leader. Unfortunately they have been mixed in with these other religious parties which has been the reason for their downfall. Ask people about them when they were ruling karachi and how it used to be the hub of entertainment and business back in the days. People use to sleep on the sidewalks safety was everywhere.
 
Some thoughtful responses, especially the post by [MENTION=26195]DW44[/MENTION], to an interesting question.

Although overall a small factor, as mentioned in the opening post, the electoral system in Pakistan does militate against the more peripheral parties as it does anywhere, where the ‘first past the post’ system is in place. So in the 1970 elections, whilst the religious parties captured about one fifth of the vote in West Pakistan, they only garnered 5 of the 82 seats. In other elections of course, their vote share has been far less - less than 4% for example in the 1993 elections - but it could be argued that many prefer to vote for the mainstream parties because a vote for a more marginal party is thought of as a wasted vote in the ‘winner takes all’, first past the post system.

More importantly, as has already been noted on this thread, local factors and local allegiances can be crucial in determining voting patterns. When people speak of local loyalties, they are usually referring to mobilisation of voters on the basis of either the economic power of the large landlord in certain constituencies, or the kinship (‘biraderi’) attachments or pir murid relationships or just plain factional rivalry. Andrew Wilder in his book on ‘The Pakistani Voter’ has argued that the key aspect is ‘delivery’ on local development. Often people will vote for whom they think will ‘get things done’, whether it is reliable supply of water and electricity, whether it is fixing gutters, or dealing with family disputes, college applications, getting jobs for people, or arranging for criminal charges to be waived and land disputes settled.

The point is well taken, but nevertheless we should not lose sight of the fact that ideological appeals can transcend local issues. So in 1946 provincial elections, historian Ian Talbot writes that “The politics of biraderi and local power were by no means destroyed in 1946, but they had to compete, often unsuccessfully, with the Muslim League’s ideological appeals.” Even more strikingly, it is clear that in the 1970 elections in West Pakistan, the Pakistan People’s Party inspired countless individuals to vote with their conscience. The key work here is that of Phillip Jones in his study of the PPP, which argued that the vote in 1970s for the PPP “was a vote of opinion in favour of systemic change.” “It had been a vote for a party and its programme ... not for specific individuals.”

Therefore, whilst acknowledging the salience of local issues, there is more to it in explaining the failure of religious parties in capturing votes. As [MENTION=26195]DW44[/MENTION] notes, Islam is not monochromatic in Pakistan. There are many different ways of being Muslim in Pakistan. Rural constituencies dominate the electoral space in Pakistan and historically in rural Pakistan, it is not the maulvi but the pir that has tended to be more influential. The Islam of the shrine, associated with the Barelvis, is formally represented in politics through the Jamiat-ul-Ulema-i-Pakistan (JUP), but the party has never been a particularly strong institution. The Jamaat-I-Islami (JI) is the best organised of the religious parties, but its puritan message and tendency to look down on the masses has not helped its cause in winning support at the time of elections. As one of the Jamaat’s district leaders said to Anatol Lieven:

“We don’t want to rally the masses behind us, because they don’t help us. They can launch strikes and demonstrations but they are disorganized, illiterate and can’t follow our ideology or stick with our strategy. We want our party workers to be carefully screened for their education and good Muslim characters, because if we simply become like the PPP and recruit everyone, then the Jamaat is finished … We don’t care if we can’t take over the government soon as long as we keep our characters clean. Only that will help us one day to lead the people, when they realize that there is no other way of replacing the existing system.”

Deobandi interests are institutionalised through the Jamiat-ul-Ulema-i-Islam (JUI). Disdainful of the shrine based Islam practices of the Barelvis, its support has tended to electorally confined to the Frontier and Baluchistan.

Clearly then, whilst religious parties, especially the JI, can mobilise street support to agitate on certain specific causes and influence public debates on religion and morality, constructing a broad national appeal that can translate into winning a critical mass of votes and transcend religious differences is a far more difficult exercise for such partie.

Finally, as has also been noted, mainstream parties have adopted religious rhetoric and symbolism. They have not positioned themselves as avowedly ‘secular’. The language of Islam has been part of mainstream parties discourse.

A striking example of the use of symbols with religious resonance is provided in the 1970 elections when the PPP adopted the election symbol of the talwar. As Phillip Jones notes, ‘The sword in Islam has been a symbol both of Islamic militarism and of justice…It was precisely the kind of socio-religious symbol that appealed to the rural and urban masses and linked the PPP with the old egalitarian implies in Islam and the Punjabi folk tradition’.

From an election poster in 1970 ( from https://www.dawn.com/news/1195863):

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its the age of hypocrisy, no one believes you specially hen guys like Fazl ur rehman are their; the definition of Hypocrites.
 
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