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Why Indians Outraged About Racism in the US Don’t Care About the Same Issues in India

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Over the weekend, I saw all my social media feeds flooded with illustrated quotes of Desmond Tutu that declared “If you are neutral in situations of injustice, you have chosen the side of the oppressor”, poignant protest signs that declared “I can’t breathe”, and the quintessential hashtag #BlackLivesMatter. These were all in solidarity against the incident that saw George Floyd, a black man, die after a police officer kneeled on his neck for 8 minutes and 46 seconds—one which has sparked demonstrations against police brutality and racism around the world.

This outpouring of support resonating with a movement so geographically far away would have ordinarily been touching. Except, a lot of people are also kinda ****** off that some individuals who now claim to be infuriated by police brutality, systematic oppression and murder on the basis of arbitrary factors like skin colour, were the same ones practising blissful silence when similar **** went down in our own country. They’re the ones who feigned ignorance and apathy when critics pointed out that police forces in India target university students and Dalit rights activists. They stand in solidarity with an American-born movement against oppression while choosing to overlook the all too frequent religion-based violence and riots that have taken place in India.

Enraged citizens were quick to call out this selective outrage and call the influencers and celebrities expressing outrage as being “performative woke” and “hypocritical”. These accusations were then immediately met with justifications that dismissively shrugged off the internalised issues by simply saying, “You can’t tell me what to care about”. But it begs the question: Why don’t we care about the same struggles so many of our countrymen are facing? Why do Indians who are infuriated with racism and police brutality in the US not feel that kind of rage for the same issues in their own country? The answers are complicated.

Our colonial history

“We have a deep-seated history of slavery, thousands of years of caste-based differentiation and several decades of violent Hindu-Muslim rivalry that aren’t easy to unlearn,” says Vikram Patel, a psychiatrist, social researcher and founder of Sangath, an organisation dedicated to child development and mental health in low-resource settings. “There’s still a lot of social engineering required to make our society more inclusive of its diversity. This has a direct impact on children’s views while growing up when their families, which might be biased (by historical context that is casteist or anti-Muslim), impose unacceptable and inhumane prejudice on impressionable minds.”

The glorification of Western culture

Patel points out that like most societies that have a colonial history, we tend to have this fascination with the West and model our societies around it, without taking into account our cultural differences. “A simple example of this is with lockdowns. We saw many countries in the West doing it, so we decided to adapt that model without implementing social security systems and giving cash payments to the struggling sections of society, or analysing how dependent our people are on public transportation.” Patel points out an interesting dichotomy between this skewed way of viewing the West, talking about how we like to blame “Western values” for acts of cruelty, but the second someone in the US calls out problematic behaviour in India, we become nationalistic and try to justify our actions, instead of realising that we must fix the problems in our homes before trying to do so globally.

Mainstream media propaganda

Many experts also point out the power of mainstream media in influencing such movements, and how they sometimes set narratives that work more like propaganda. “Mainstream media, including Bollywood and pop culture, mostly glorifies upper-caste Hindu culture, and rarely explores themes of violence against Muslims or casteism,” says Paras Sharma, a psychologist, social development expert and co-founder and director of mental health organisation The Alternative Story. Sharma also points out what many other critics do: that the portrayal of police in films and popular shows like Crime Patrol or Savdhaan India (which dramatise real-life crime cases ) also tends to glorify them as the ultimate good guys, making it harder for people to understand the severity of living in a police state. “Meanwhile, there’s an invisibilisation of caste and religion, sometimes even a vilification propagated by biased news channels. This creates a negative image of left-oriented organisations and student protests.” He explains that biased media portrayals can then convert images of injustice into separatist movements that target the oppressed and make them out to be terrorists. “The problem is that this popular media sets the narrative that is replicated and regurgitated by people on platforms like Twitter and WhatsApp.” He also stresses how this can spill over into elections of public officials, and eliminate any options that don’t take populist or extremist stands that reflect sentiments of the majority.

An attempt at gaining social currency

Sharma also points out that the populist narrative then affects the topics that celebrities speak up about. “It’s much easier for a celebrity to speak out against white supremacy than against Hindu supremacy, because you can’t call out the very people your career and social status is dependent on,” he says. He points out the examples of Indian actors like Aamir Khan, Shah Rukh Khan and Deepika Padukone having had to face social boycotts after speaking out on sensitive topics that criticised the right-wing. “It’s not hypocrisy as much as it is marketing. They (celebrities who were silent but are now speaking up in solidarity with the Black Lives Matters movement) are looking at who constitutes the majority or who has the zeitgeist right now. Currently, the zeitgeist around the world is anti-government and anti-police, so they are swayed by it because it sells their personal brand.”

An internalised superiority complex

While celebrities’ actions can be attributed to a desire for public validation, a different kind of attitude defines the actions of ordinary citizens who display the same apathy. Sharma believes that a layperson who has raised their voice against racism and police brutality in the US but has stayed silent when the same issues have permeated the Indian society is probably driven by a kind of superiority complex. He explains how this creates a chasm defined by the “ingroup”, which is the social group these people relate to, and an “outgroup”, which is a group they aren’t a part of. In this case, the American government is viewed as an outgroup, and the same actions are criticised to make people feel like they are better off in their own country. “It helps us reduce some of the dissonance we feel about some of our actions,” says Sharma. According to him, citizens who want to justify why they have voted for an ineffective government or the problematic things their ministers say, will do so by criticising another government. “We’re basically saying, look, we might have it bad but you have it worse. And when we criticise somebody who is not from our cultural context, we are essentially saying the ingroup is better than the outgroup.”

But maybe our questioning the origins of anti-Blackness can also finally lead to us applying those politics to our narratives, even if it's not something we have thought about doing so far. "For South Asians specifically, challenging anti-Blackness cannot be discussed without examining casteism in our communities," says Sharmin Hossain, the political director at Equality Labs. "Although caste and race are distinct and separate social categories, caste has divided South Asian society into units of graded inequality. By examining caste privilege, South Asians can interrogate the underlying logic of anti-Blackness, and find new language to raise the consciousness of our communities. We also have to reframe the conversation around police brutality and take it beyond anti-Blackness - the Movement for Black Lives struggle is not only about the end to police brutality, it is a multi-faceted strategy to change our communities - from divesting in police and military, to safer communities nourished with resources and social safety nets.”

https://www.vice.com/en_in/article/...own-country-muslim-casteism-violence-minority
 
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It is pretty funny and disgraceful at the same time.

Same people who cannot raise their voice when atrocities happen against Kashmiris, tribals, migrants, northeasterners are front and centre with support for George Floyd and black people. What makes it even more hilarious is that these Indians (and desis in general) are among the most racist people against black people anyway but are just bandwagonning on this for the ‘cool’ factor and because that’s what will get approval from some woke white liberal who don’t give two hoots about them.
 
This one is popular with the Kashmiri Twitterverse:

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It is pretty funny and disgraceful at the same time.

Same people who cannot raise their voice when atrocities happen against Kashmiris, tribals, migrants, northeasterners are front and centre with support for George Floyd and black people. What makes it even more hilarious is that these Indians (and desis in general) are among the most racist people against black people anyway but are just bandwagonning on this for the ‘cool’ factor and because that’s what will get approval from some woke white liberal who don’t give two hoots about them.

while indians abroad may be doing it to impress their american colleagues, they are not the same people in india. trump supporting indians don't care about black lives matter.
 
Most Indians abroad will go to any length to please Goray. For them its easy to throw their culture, language, tradition etc out of the window (atleast when in front of other westerners) and people can notice that.

Diversity and authenticity is more valued than just being pretentious. Shows strength of character and confidence in what you are.
 
Most Indians abroad will go to any length to please Goray. For them its easy to throw their culture, language, tradition etc out of the window (atleast when in front of other westerners) and people can notice that.

Diversity and authenticity is more valued than just being pretentious. Shows strength of character and confidence in what you are.

It is good if they throw away their third world culture and take the culture of the developed world. Which part of indian culture do you think is superior to the western one?
 
Can't wait for the social media superheroes to change their DPs for this far away event that has nothing to do with them.
 
The same could be said of Pakistanis in Pakistan???

It should be and it will be equally true about Pakistan as it is true about socially institutionalised racism in India. But I guess belittling others is a more convenient option for many, particularly here in this forum on the pretext of being inquisitive as opposed to having a rational and constructive discussion to acknowledge and change collectively.
The conscious ignorance does not help either and that's a shared trait between many Indians and Pakistanis here.
 
Due to social media people are more focussed on what others are doing than doing something worthwhile themselves.

This holds specifically true in case of most posters here.
 
They are a supremely hypocritical nation.
 
that is one of the virtues of indians. but to be fair, the western world deserves every bit of flattery and sycophancy, as they are the only ones who have a civilization.

What would be more useful would be to imitate more accurately. They say imitation is the sincerest form of flattery, but seems Indians only want to imitate the surface level stuff like righteous tweets about racism in the USA, or large party dance numbers for film. Would be better to imitate basics like hygiene, road planning, safety standards, law enforcement and such. Then we might see India looking like California instead of Sialkot.
 
What would be more useful would be to imitate more accurately. They say imitation is the sincerest form of flattery, but seems Indians only want to imitate the surface level stuff like righteous tweets about racism in the USA, or large party dance numbers for film. Would be better to imitate basics like hygiene, road planning, safety standards, law enforcement and such. Then we might see India looking like California instead of Sialkot.

other qaums lack the skills, discipline and leadership which the western people have. They would have imitated only if they could.
 
other qaums lack the skills, discipline and leadership which the western people have. They would have imitated only if they could.

Perhaps values as well. Western people hold these standards high in modern history, and this impacts everything. It is why when people from Europe emigrate, they have built successful nations everywhere, from Canada and US to Australia. It is a very interesting subject and perhaps would make for a good separate thread. I will see if there is anything similar already which I can bump, maybe something about benefits of the British empire to the world would be most appropriate since those countries I have mentioned have all been planted from British roots.
 
I think it’s a bit rich for Pakistanis to be having this discussion when we are in the same boat more or less. A more fair point would be to discuss this issue as desis.

How are Pakistanis in the same boat? According to some bhakhts, population of minorities in Pakistan has decreased. I am sure you have numbers to prove your statement. :inti
 
The same is true for Pakistanis. Not a single Tweet against forced conversion of Hindu girls, violence against Christians and killings of Shias.

Let’s not even talk about the alleged mistreatment of Muslims in China and the total silence of Pakistani state and its people!
 
Most Indians abroad will go to any length to please Goray. For them its easy to throw their culture, language, tradition etc out of the window (atleast when in front of other westerners) and people can notice that.

Diversity and authenticity is more valued than just being pretentious. Shows strength of character and confidence in what you are.

I find this statement to be pretty dumb. In fact indians of all states openly celebrate their religions customs and festivals in the USA in a grand way and many American folks are invited to participate..just look at the number of large Hindu temples across various cities in USA and their grand celebrations of each festival with thousands in attendance ..Swaminarayan temples are some of the biggest ones and they hold parades through the cities..not only hindus but last week we had a Ramzan celebration in our community openly with Muslims from all regions attending with some locals too..
 
Hasan Minhaj calls out anti-blackness in South Asian communities

Protests are taking place in many countries against police brutality and white supremacy.

Starting from George Floyd's murder by a cop, the Black Lives Matter movement started taking to streets in USA and now many countries including New Zealand, Japan, Sweden and England are carrying out protests while more have taken to social media to raise awareness on the racism faced by people of colour, especially black folks. South Asian folks also joined the conversation online.

Patriot Act's Hasan Minhaj, however, decided to call out the hypocrisy of the Asian communities that were speaking up about the matter, reminding them of their own racism, colourism and over all anti-blackness. And his video is going viral.

"This time, we cannot stay silent, especially the Asian community. Because the murder of George Floyd was so heinous, even [very problematic] people are speaking out."

Addressing the conversation shift from the protests to riots and looting he says, "Depending on when you immigrated, you came to this country (U.S) for order and stability. That's why we're all in our living room wondering, 'What is this madness? Why can't they follow the laws?' But imagine if you lived in a country where the colour of your skin got you killed for driving, jogging sleeping [and so on]... you would say that is a lawless country."

"So why are we shocked that people are asking for revolutionary change? We support revolutions overseas... And we can't empathise with the protesters?"

He then moves to calling out Asians for their hypocrisy. According to the comedian, "I can't speak to what it's like to be black, but I know how we talk about black people,"

"Asians, we love seeing black excellence, Barack (Obama), Michelle (Obama), Jay Z, Beyonce... how could we be afraid, we love black America. Yeah, on screen, in our living rooms. But when a black man walks into your living room and god forbid wants to date or marry your daughter, you call the cops."

Hasan adds, "You know what we call black people? We call them kaala, which means black but not in a good way. If someone is dark-skinned in your family, we clown them. We call them kallu... Our Bollywood film stars do skin whitening commercials so we don't look black."

"It is bad to be black in desi culture, even though we all wish we were black... That is the great hypocrisy."

Minhaj ends his segment making a call for Asian Americans to join the movements and also shares how to help, saying, "Millions of people around the world have taken to the street to afford us this moment."
https://images.dawn.com/news/118536...out-anti-blackness-in-south-asian-communities
 
The same is true for Pakistanis. Not a single Tweet against forced conversion of Hindu girls, violence against Christians and killings of Shias.

Let’s not even talk about the alleged mistreatment of Muslims in China and the total silence of Pakistani state and its people!

This is not the topic of this thread. Stick to what is being discussed.
 
The answer is simple, in India, it's about caste and religion - race wise they're all considered the same.

Saying this, there is a certain love for the fair and lovely in India.
 
No bigger irony than Indians flooding social media with black lives matter posts, yet TODAY is the 36th anniversary of Sikh genocide in 1984 and the Kashmiris continue to suffer at the hands of the Hindutva, only because the Sikhs and Kashmiris are a different religion to these Hindutva filth.


I hope there comes a time when the Khalistan and Kashmir independence movements are successful. If Modi stays on for another ten years that very well may be the case.
 
Forget issue in India..

All of them prefer white skinned gorey in Bollywood, Kallu is a popular word when talking about blacks, would rather be whitewashed and brag about having white friends, are scared of seeing even a couple of Blacks anywhere around their house/neighborhood, but are hypocritically joining on social media to show off their non-existing solidarity with the black lives matter
 
Forget issue in India..

All of them prefer white skinned gorey in Bollywood, Kallu is a popular word when talking about blacks, would rather be whitewashed and brag about having white friends, are scared of seeing even a couple of Blacks anywhere around their house/neighborhood, but are hypocritically joining on social media to show off their non-existing solidarity with the black lives matter

All? Don't we have enough generalization across the globe?
 
There's a proverb in Malayalam 'ārānṟam'maykk bhrāntu piṭiccāl kāṇān nalla cēlāṇ', roughly translate it'd be funny to see if someone else mother gone crazy..
 
Indians are really under the pump since the break out of Covid.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">FLOYD AND FAIZAN: One death sparked an unprecedented anti-racism movement in the US. The other has been nearly forgotten in India. <a href="https://t.co/MKzNjl42Yx">pic.twitter.com/MKzNjl42Yx</a></p>— Brut India (@BrutIndia) <a href="https://twitter.com/BrutIndia/status/1270022529126629378?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 8, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
I find this statement to be pretty dumb. In fact indians of all states openly celebrate their religions customs and festivals in the USA in a grand way and many American folks are invited to participate..just look at the number of large Hindu temples across various cities in USA and their grand celebrations of each festival with thousands in attendance ..Swaminarayan temples are some of the biggest ones and they hold parades through the cities..not only hindus but last week we had a Ramzan celebration in our community openly with Muslims from all regions attending with some locals too..

Fair enough, you are free to find it the way you see it.

What i meant was that in normal day to day life at workplace or outside, most Indians try to ape westerners and are always trying a bit too hard to somehow fit in. Be it from having Western sounding nick names to totally trying to obscure any hint if their own culture, language and tradition.

To the point that one can easily see them being fake. Thats all what i am alluding to.

My own family comes from India (Uptill previous generation) and i am proud of my heritage and want people to accept me the way I am (and not just a fake replica version of G@ra saab).
 
In India we support police brutality on criminals and anti-state people.

Anti-state?

States are not God given entities, they are just man made constructs. By your logic all the freedom fighters of India, who fought against ‘State’ (of the day) were criminals and hence deserved the brutal treatment. Right?
 
The answer is simple, in India, it's about caste and religion - race wise they're all considered the same.

Saying this, there is a certain love for the fair and lovely in India.

Indians are actually very peculiar about the race. Its just that we Pakistanis have moved away from it (just a little bit only).

I was once talking to a Kashmiri Brahmin work colleague and could see that he regarded himself as racially superior to other Indian contractors we had. Also the caste system itself is ‘somewhat’ intertwined with the race.
 
It is pretty funny and disgraceful at the same time.

Same people who cannot raise their voice when atrocities happen against Kashmiris, tribals, migrants, northeasterners are front and centre with support for George Floyd and black people. What makes it even more hilarious is that these Indians (and desis in general) are among the most racist people against black people anyway but are just bandwagonning on this for the ‘cool’ factor and because that’s what will get approval from some woke white liberal who don’t give two hoots about them.

Agree, Indians protesting racism in USA is like Israelis protesting against human right violation in Palestine.
 
Anti-state?

States are not God given entities, they are just man made constructs. By your logic all the freedom fighters of India, who fought against ‘State’ (of the day) were criminals and hence deserved the brutal treatment. Right?

Human rights are also man made constructs. So by your logic you can go against human rights?
 
Indians are actually very peculiar about the race. Its just that we Pakistanis have moved away from it (just a little bit only).

I was once talking to a Kashmiri Brahmin work colleague and could see that he regarded himself as racially superior to other Indian contractors we had. Also the caste system itself is ‘somewhat’ intertwined with the race.

Let me deconstruct this “story”

Firstly sure we all have some bias, at times we have the superiority complex and at times we might have 0 confidence and find ourselves inferior but....

In 2020 at least No guy or gal is going say hey I am a Bhramin I am better than the rest of them or I am a Pathan or whatever and I am stronger than the rest or I am black and I have big feet in public especially in a corporate environment.

They might think it, possibly but no way they are going to confide in someone about such thought process unless the person is a dbag in general.

Now if the guy is a dbag in general, you can’t use that as a template for everyone and I am interested in the kind of topics you discussed With him where he either confided in you or asserted his perceived superiority in a heated tone. I have said a lot of politically in correct things in my life but it is usually among the closest of friends or family.

Or

It could just be that you view him from a biased lens after all he is a Kashmiri Pandit but you know what I think you are better than that, so hope for your sake it is the former.
 
Let me deconstruct this “story”

Firstly sure we all have some bias, at times we have the superiority complex and at times we might have 0 confidence and find ourselves inferior but....

In 2020 at least No guy or gal is going say hey I am a Bhramin I am better than the rest of them or I am a Pathan or whatever and I am stronger than the rest or I am black and I have big feet in public especially in a corporate environment.

They might think it, possibly but no way they are going to confide in someone about such thought process unless the person is a dbag in general.

Now if the guy is a dbag in general, you can’t use that as a template for everyone and I am interested in the kind of topics you discussed With him where he either confided in you or asserted his perceived superiority in a heated tone. I have said a lot of politically in correct things in my life but it is usually among the closest of friends or family.

Or

It could just be that you view him from a biased lens after all he is a Kashmiri Pandit but you know what I think you are better than that, so hope for your sake it is the former.

Abhi takk Mirchein laggi huwi hain.

You can deny the existence of racism within different indian communities but it exists. There is a reason why short and dark skinned south indians are looked down upon. Whether one just thinks it or say it , doesnt change the fact that this is how people think.

And of course racism is just form of bias, so not sure what scientific revelation are you trying to make.
 
Abhi takk Mirchein laggi huwi hain.

You can deny the existence of racism within different indian communities but it exists. There is a reason why short and dark skinned south indians are looked down upon. Whether one just thinks it or say it , doesnt change the fact that this is how people think.

And of course racism is just form of bias, so not sure what scientific revelation are you trying to make.

:)) your critique against racism is a stereotype about South Indians . Do you see the irony here?

Let me give you an example : Aishwarya Rai is a South Indian, Yuzvendar Chahal is a pucca Haryana boy that means North Indian. There are plenty of exceptions to the rule. But Flash News: Not just South Indians 80% of the subcontinent or even more, look the same way more or less.

Maybe that kind of generalization spilled over from the whole East Bengal freedom movement in 1971 that everyone belonging to a region look the same way but that doesn’t exist anymore.

I think you are clearly not qualified to be giving lectures And discourses about racial profiling lol
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Racism is not restricted to the colour of the skin.Not allowing to buy a home in a society just because u have a different faith is a part of racism too... <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/convenient?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#convenient</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/racism?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#racism</a></p>— Irfan Pathan (@IrfanPathan) <a href="https://twitter.com/IrfanPathan/status/1270307506955272194?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 9, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Racism is not restricted to the colour of the skin.Not allowing to buy a home in a society just because u have a different faith is a part of racism too... <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/convenient?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#convenient</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/racism?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#racism</a></p>— Irfan Pathan (@IrfanPathan) <a href="https://twitter.com/IrfanPathan/status/1270307506955272194?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 9, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Clearly pointing to something we all know but I guess he’s a bit scared to explicitly state what’s on his mind for fear of backlash.
 
Clearly pointing to something we all know but I guess he’s a bit scared to explicitly state what’s on his mind for fear of backlash.

In other words... a coward.

But he’s doing better than most in his country.
 
Let me deconstruct this “story”

Firstly sure we all have some bias, at times we have the superiority complex and at times we might have 0 confidence and find ourselves inferior but....

In 2020 at least No guy or gal is going say hey I am a Bhramin I am better than the rest of them or I am a Pathan or whatever and I am stronger than the rest or I am black and I have big feet in public especially in a corporate environment.

They might think it, possibly but no way they are going to confide in someone about such thought process unless the person is a dbag in general.

Now if the guy is a dbag in general, you can’t use that as a template for everyone and I am interested in the kind of topics you discussed With him where he either confided in you or asserted his perceived superiority in a heated tone. I have said a lot of politically in correct things in my life but it is usually among the closest of friends or family.

Or

It could just be that you view him from a biased lens after all he is a Kashmiri Pandit but you know what I think you are better than that, so hope for your sake it is the former.

It still happens even in the US.
I used to work with a few Indians at my previous company. A colleague from Delhi (last name Trikha) went to the same college in Delhi St Stephen's that my grand father did. So we would chat a lot about things other than work. We were actually having lunch together along with some other team members that included 2 other Indians (one very arrogant director (Patel) who happened to be Trikha's boss) and our engineering manager (last name Krishnamurthy). I don't recall exactly what happened, but the patel guy looked at Trikha and said we are both Pandit Brahmins and this is beneath us (Sorry don't remember what it was since I was not paying attention). That ****** of our South Indian guy so much that he got up said goodbye to me and left. Everyone else was just aghast at how casually Mr. Patel brought up the caste into the conversation. It was circa 2011 Chicago so not that far away.

BTW we have the same on our side (maybe not to that level). You should hear Ayesha Gullalai bring up the "Wazir" tribe 20 times during her accusation labelled against Imran Khan.
I have punjabi friends that would only marry a Rajput or Arain or Butt. So we should do a bit of introspection ourselves as well
 
It still happens even in the US.
I used to work with a few Indians at my previous company. A colleague from Delhi (last name Trikha) went to the same college in Delhi St Stephen's that my grand father did. So we would chat a lot about things other than work. We were actually having lunch together along with some other team members that included 2 other Indians (one very arrogant director (Patel) who happened to be Trikha's boss) and our engineering manager (last name Krishnamurthy). I don't recall exactly what happened, but the patel guy looked at Trikha and said we are both Pandit Brahmins and this is beneath us (Sorry don't remember what it was since I was not paying attention). That ****** of our South Indian guy so much that he got up said goodbye to me and left. Everyone else was just aghast at how casually Mr. Patel brought up the caste into the conversation. It was circa 2011 Chicago so not that far away.

BTW we have the same on our side (maybe not to that level). You should hear Ayesha Gullalai bring up the "Wazir" tribe 20 times during her accusation labelled against Imran Khan.
I have punjabi friends that would only marry a Rajput or Arain or Butt. So we should do a bit of introspection ourselves as well

Don't think Patel are Brahmins, Krishnamurthy does sound like a Brahmin, irrespective casteism isn't dead esp during reservations and marriages.
 
It still happens even in the US.
I used to work with a few Indians at my previous company. A colleague from Delhi (last name Trikha) went to the same college in Delhi St Stephen's that my grand father did. So we would chat a lot about things other than work. We were actually having lunch together along with some other team members that included 2 other Indians (one very arrogant director (Patel) who happened to be Trikha's boss) and our engineering manager (last name Krishnamurthy). I don't recall exactly what happened, but the patel guy looked at Trikha and said we are both Pandit Brahmins and this is beneath us (Sorry don't remember what it was since I was not paying attention). That ****** of our South Indian guy so much that he got up said goodbye to me and left. Everyone else was just aghast at how casually Mr. Patel brought up the caste into the conversation. It was circa 2011 Chicago so not that far away.

BTW we have the same on our side (maybe not to that level). You should hear Ayesha Gullalai bring up the "Wazir" tribe 20 times during her accusation labelled against Imran Khan.
I have punjabi friends that would only marry a Rajput or Arain or Butt. So we should do a bit of introspection ourselves as well

Some of the Indian posters here dont want to see their shining India tainted with the lowly acts of Racism and Caste~ism. Whereas in reality its a part and parcel of what our South asian society is like. I agree that its a bit less in Pakistan but it still exists, as many of us ve left the hindu religion behind but not the mentality (and castes that we originally belonged to). Majority of people take it as a matter of pride to show off their caste.

Those in denial are calling other Dbags but dont realise that they are the bigger Dbag themselves. Hypocrites!
 
Social media is just about outward appearance. Everyone is going to support the movement to join in w/ the crowd and look good.

No one is going to change internally as others won't find out about it and applaud them.
 
Father-son death in police custody sparks outrage in India

Outrage at the death of a father-son duo in the custody of police in India's Tamil Nadu earlier this week mounted on Saturday. Thousands on social media compared the incident to the death of George Floyd in the United States.

J Jayaraj, 59, and Bennicks Immanuel, 31, were subjected to a brutal thrashing, which resulted in rectal bleeding and eventual death, according to a letter to government officials written by the former’s wife J Selvarani. The letter seeks action against the police officers involved.

Police in Sathankulam, a town located 50 km (31 miles) south of the port city of Thoothukudi in southern Tamil Nadu state, said in a first information report (FIR) that Jayaraj and Bennicks were picked up on Friday, June 19 for breaching coronavirus lockdown rules.

Bennicks died on Monday after complaining of breathlessness and Jayaraj died on Tuesday, Chief Minister Edappadi Palaniswami, who oversees the police in the state, said in a statement on Wednesday.

Two policemen involved in the incident have been suspended.

Hundreds of thousands of tweets were sent out using the hashtag #JusticeforJayarajandBennix, that was among the top Twitter topics trending in India on Friday and among the top 30 trending globally, with celebrities and politicians condemning police action.

Nearly 15 cases of custodial violence and torture were reported in every day on average, with 9 people dying in judicial or police custody every 24 hours, according to the latest annual report by India’s National Human Rights Commission (NHRC) for the year 2017/18.

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It still happens even in the US.
I used to work with a few Indians at my previous company. A colleague from Delhi (last name Trikha) went to the same college in Delhi St Stephen's that my grand father did. So we would chat a lot about things other than work. We were actually having lunch together along with some other team members that included 2 other Indians (one very arrogant director (Patel) who happened to be Trikha's boss) and our engineering manager (last name Krishnamurthy). I don't recall exactly what happened, but the patel guy looked at Trikha and said we are both Pandit Brahmins and this is beneath us (Sorry don't remember what it was since I was not paying attention). That ****** of our South Indian guy so much that he got up said goodbye to me and left. Everyone else was just aghast at how casually Mr. Patel brought up the caste into the conversation. It was circa 2011 Chicago so not that far away.

BTW we have the same on our side (maybe not to that level). You should hear Ayesha Gullalai bring up the "Wazir" tribe 20 times during her accusation labelled against Imran Khan.
I have punjabi friends that would only marry a Rajput or Arain or Butt. So we should do a bit of introspection ourselves as well

My friend is from Tamil Nadu and says anytime he has been through any airport in Northern India on his way from the UK he has faced open bigotry and racism.

I don't know why BJP paid trolls come here with lies and waste their time.
 
This is actually a huge news in Tamil Nadu. But the posters from there are for some reason awfully quiet on this forum. Tamil Nadu police are plain stupid. If I remember correctly Tamil Nadu police has the highest suicide rate in all of India and there is a shortage of police.
 
Thes men were raped with rods, we always heard of these practices, never believed them until now.
 
My friend is from Tamil Nadu and says anytime he has been through any airport in Northern India on his way from the UK he has faced open bigotry and racism.

I don't know why BJP paid trolls come here with lies and waste their time.

We act racist towards them as well. We mock their women, hygiene practices the odour that comes from them and so on. We are not that innocent either.
 
They try to appear progressive to their peers in America while supporting oppression back home..You can ask the same about liberal americans, why do they feign opposition to black oppression but support America's aggressive and murderous war policy? It's all a show
 
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