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Why is 2009 T20 World Cup win not remembered as fondly as the Champions Trophy & '92 World Cup wins?

With the anniversary of champions trophy coming up I started to think of the big wins Pakistan had over the years. I realized fans seem to have alot of nostalgia for champions trophy win and ofcourse the 92 world cup.

Somewhere along the lines we might have forgotten that we have a 2nd world cup win!. I havent seen alot of players recall some memorable moments in their interviews about the world cup 09 win. What might be the reason its not as fondly remembered as other 2 ICC wins?
 
Because the other 2 are ODI tournaments which is a much more respectable achievement. People give a lot less stock to cheap T20 stuff, even the world cup. When the likes of west indies win it twice, it shows it's a tinpot world cup.
 
1. It's a T20. I doubt Sri Lanka holds the 2014 WT20 win in as high a regard as the 1996 WC either.

2. The players involved in that team didn't colour themselves in too much glory in the years since - Kamran Akmal, Abdul Razzaq, Mohammad Amir, and captain Younis Khan damaged his LoI legacy in the 2010s. The 1992 WC on the other hand was the start of the glory phase of Pakistan cricket, with Wasim, Waqar, Inzamam et al moving on to bigger heights.

Arguably, #2 will happen to the 2017 team in the coming times as well. Safraz has already gone underwater, and Shadab Khan and Hassan Ali have proven to be flashes in the pan. Of course, Babar Azam and Fakhar Zaman - exceptions like them exist.
 
International T20 cricket is irrelevant in the grand scheme of things, even the players realize that its importance is secondary beyond serving as a shop window for franchise leagues.
 
OP is wrong, the t20I WC victory and the south africa match before the final is fondly remembered. Its just because 2017 is fresh in the head and also because we made a world record defeating india, thats why its recalled so much. The way that India was thrashed, i havent seen such a one sided final before.
 
2009 WT20 is actually one of the fondly remembered WT20 tournaments among all the WT20 tournaments that have been played till now.

The semi final between Pakistan and South Africa was pure classic.
 
Ummm, the forums used to be crazy place when we won the t20 2009.
People had claimed that we were teh best t20 team and only t20s mattered.


It was after a few years did it die down. Back in 2009 the hype was soo much.

The 2017 Champions trophy is still fresh and will eventually die down as we see more winners.


The hype is much less now, but before the 2019 world cup, the hype was to an extent where it was unthinkable to drop sarfraz
 
Major said:
Ummm, the forums used to be crazy place when we won the t20 2009.
People had claimed that we were teh best t20 team and only t20s mattered.


It was after a few years did it die down. Back in 2009 the hype was soo much.

The 2017 Champions trophy is still fresh and will eventually die down as we see more winners.


The hype is much less now, but before the 2019 world cup, the hype was to an extent where it was unthinkable to drop sarfraz
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Pakistani team was on a roll after the t20I victory, there was champions trophy right after it where we kept on winning and beat India and somehow deliberately lost a match against Australia to kick India out (which they returned the favour in 2019 :yk)
Then came the fixing saga and the oath gate where things looked really bleak until WC 2011 till Mohali.
 
Slim said:
Pakistani team was on a roll after the t20I victory, there was champions trophy right after it where we kept on winning and beat India and somehow deliberately lost a match against Australia to kick India out (which they returned the favour in 2019 :yk)
Then came the fixing saga and the oath gate where things looked really bleak until WC 2011 till Mohali.
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Who can forget the 2010 wt20I hussey blitz - tore our hearts apart. We literally came really close to 3 ICC silverware in touching distance after our 2009 triumph.

Really sad how we missed out on each of it.
 
2009 World Cup is what’s made pakpassion.

The vibe back then is missed so much...it’s just after the fixing saga we took a hit mentally.

It’s just never been the same after that.
 
Sadly because some biased fans dislike the fact that Afridi played a vital role in that win and was the MOTM in the final
 
It is remembered. Most of us weren't even born the '92 world cup happened, while most of the forum members here were old enough to watch a '09 T20 world cup.
 
It's a very good question. I mostly forgot we even won the 2009 t20 WC. Getting to the final in 2007 sticks out in my memory much more clearly. Strange.
 
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Major said:
Ummm, the forums used to be crazy place when we won the t20 2009.
People had claimed that we were teh best t20 team and only t20s mattered.


It was after a few years did it die down. Back in 2009 the hype was soo much.

The 2017 Champions trophy is still fresh and will eventually die down as we see more winners.


The hype is much less now, but before the 2019 world cup, the hype was to an extent where it was unthinkable to drop sarfraz
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one thing i would also add is that the events of 2010 where Younus Khan became crazy and than the spot fixing events. That lead to people to move on from the 2009 world t20 win aswell.

plus the fact that the next world t20 took place within 12 months.
 
T20 WCs are not well remembered. I was actually thinking 2022 was the first T20 WC for Eng, before realizing they did win in 2010. ODI WCs are viewed as the biggest prize in international cricket, even at this moment.

I don't think even we in India hold our 2007 T20 WC win in the same regard as the 2011 or 1983 WC wins.
 
This was memorable for many reasons but it was a short lived success due to the next one.
 
T20 world T20 inaugural was memorable. Classic final. After that everything was Forgettable. One match i remember though is Brathwhite smashing Stokes for 4 sixes. That was a memorable one. Format itself is a joke format. Australia winning a world T20 in 2021 was one of the biggest joke. They just had to win 4 or 5 tosses in a row
 
Even though I prefer ODIs over t20is but wt20 09 win holds closer to me than CT17. There's already one WC tournament for ODIs ie the World Cup. CT is a secondary tournament. wt20 is a wc.

Both wt20 09 and ct17 victories had a similar campaign. Extremely poor start followed by peaks to unbeatable but that was it about it sadly. wt20 09 was a much better team. ct17 was a team with some new roles given to the players and them collectively coming together.

Our ODI team has only started to improve after 2019 wc although the rebuild properly started around 2018 with the likes of Shaheen, Imam etc being brought in.
 
I don't even remember the winners of any T20 WC expect for 2007, and 2009. And that's only because India and Pakistan won on those years.
 
Major said:
one thing i would also add is that the events of 2010 where Younus Khan became crazy and than the spot fixing events. That lead to people to move on from the 2009 world t20 win aswell.

plus the fact that the next world t20 took place within 12 months.
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What did he do ? Is still an all time great for his batting class
 
Banda298 said:
What did he do ? Is still an all time great for his batting class
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After world t20, the guy became an egoistic maniac. Had anger issues and was treating everyone in a terrible way.

Was than removed as captain (rightfully), and than he has a falling out with PCB because the chairman made him wait outside the office. His ego was too big.

His batting class and ATG status is a separate thing. The whole controversy of Younis Khan was the center of attention uptil the ENgland tour. Than the spot fixing event unfolded.
 
Hitman said:
I don't even remember the winners of any T20 WC expect for 2007, and 2009. And that's only because India and Pakistan won on those years.
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i would still take 2007 win had Pakistan won.

The 2007 world t20 had that different vibe to it. Loved that event and it still hurts the way we lost.

2010 was a boring affair in the west indies that England won.
2016 is well known due to the way Carlos Braitwaith won the finale.

I think the world t20 needs to return back to Africa
 
I personally rank the 2009 wt20 win higher than the 1992 WC. The 1992 WC had a lot of "flukes" and miracles that aided the title win. However in 2009 we were completely dominant throughout the tournament and deserved to win.
 
The above post is quite accurate...Pakistan entered 2009 as one of the best, if not best T20 team around, had all time great T20 cricketers and kind of had it easy. There was far more drama in 92 and 2017.
 
Sher Khan said:
I personally rank the 2009 wt20 win higher than the 1992 WC. The 1992 WC had a lot of "flukes" and miracles that aided the title win. However in 2009 we were completely dominant throughout the tournament and deserved to win.
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Yeah that’s not true.

We lost to SL in the super 8 and also lost to England in the opener. We could have been knocked out against Netherlands if we didn’t bowl them out for a certain amount of runs either.

Also, we didn’t play Australia or India in the World Cup otherwise you can expect Pakistan to have bottled it against these two as they usually do.

Our Semi Final win against South Africa was brilliant, and Sri Lanka bottled it hard in the final.
 
Should have won the 2007 World Cup but it is never too late.

On this day in 2009, Pakistan lifted the T20 World Cup trophy. One of the most memorable and iconic moments in cricket history.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/OnThisDay?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc^tfw">#OnThisDay</a> in 2009. One of Pakistan cricket&#39;s finest days as they beat Sri Lanka by 8 wickets at Lord&#39;s and became World T20 champions <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Cricket?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc^tfw">#Cricket</a> <a href="https://t.co/TfgpJhz2KK">pic.twitter.com/TfgpJhz2KK</a></p>&mdash; Saj Sadiq (@SajSadiqCricket) <a href="
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">June 21, 2024</a></blockquote><script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
Winning a 50 over tournament is way more difficult than a T20 tournament.

Also 152-0 or Miandad 6 seem to hold more value for Pakistan fans based on my observation than say winning a series in WI for the first time in their history or winning test series in England (the ones were Misbah was doing pushups).
 
Local.Dada said:
Winning a 50 over tournament is way more difficult than a T20 tournament.

Also 152-0 or Miandad 6 seem to hold more value for Pakistan fans based on my observation than say winning a series in WI for the first time in their history or winning test series in England (the ones were Misbah was doing pushups).
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Yeah, that's the point.
 
Obviously ODI World Cup is most important followed by the T20 World Cup.

Champions Trophy meanwhile is a redundant tournament that has been discarded few times already and will be discarded again sooner rather than later, so its not a very significant tournament in the cricketing world, to be very honest.

1992 WC > 2009 T20 Wc > CT 17

Decades down the line, ODI cricket will cease to exist so T20 will become the main WC.
 
Local.Dada said:
Winning a 50 over tournament is way more difficult than a T20 tournament.

Also 152-0 or Miandad 6 seem to hold more value for Pakistan fans based on my observation than say winning a series in WI for the first time in their history or winning test series in England (the ones were Misbah was doing pushups).
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We actually drew that series in England, but nonetheless, it was a great achievement. Definitely our most significant away series result in the last 20 years or so.

Moments always stick with people more, especially the casual fans. On top of that, test cricket is sadly not as big in Pakistan as it once was. Some of it probably has to do with Pakistan not playing any tests at home for a decade. The rest of it probably has something to do with Pakistan does not having enough great test victories in this century. Like we have nothing like that 2001 Border-Gavaskar Trophy: a home series victory against an elite side that captures the imagination of the entire nation. So people tend to hold on to specific moments and matches more...152-0, CT Final, 2009 WT20 Final.

If you ask my dad's generation or the generation before them, they will tell you what the 1982 home series against India or the 1989 series in West Indies or the 1979 series in Australia meant to them.

But personally speaking, I hold that 2016 England series, that 2017 West Indies series as well as the numerous series wins in UAE (Australia, England, Sri Lanka) in much higher regard than a match in a T20 WC that we didn't even win.
 
Even CT is not that big a tournament. SOuth Africa is the first team to win a CT. But nobody hypes about SA already winning the ICC trophy and they are not chokers. Same way NZ is always considered bridesmaid. Nobody talks about their 2000 CT win. India shared with SL in m id 2000s. I bet nobody remembers. ODI is always world cup that is considered the pinnacle of achievement.

There ends the importance fo shorter format. Everythign else Test series.
 
Major said:
Ummm, the forums used to be crazy place when we won the t20 2009.
People had claimed that we were teh best t20 team and only t20s mattered.


It was after a few years did it die down. Back in 2009 the hype was soo much.

The 2017 Champions trophy is still fresh and will eventually die down as we see more winners.


The hype is much less now, but before the 2019 world cup, the hype was to an extent where it was unthinkable to drop sarfraz
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Trust me 2017 will remain the last ICC trophy for decades
 
jnaveen1980 said:
Even CT is not that big a tournament. SOuth Africa is the first team to win a CT. But nobody hypes about SA already winning the ICC trophy and they are not chokers. Same way NZ is always considered bridesmaid. Nobody talks about their 2000 CT win. India shared with SL in m id 2000s. I bet nobody remembers. ODI is always world cup that is considered the pinnacle of achievement.

There ends the importance fo shorter format. Everythign else Test series.
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Honestly CT during the early years was a joke. Back when it was called the Knockout Cup. It was the T20 WC before the T20 WC. One match gets you through or sends you home. They should start the CT lineage from 2002.
 
wt20 is THE WORLD CUP of t20 format. The only problem is it happens too often.
There should be a 3 year gap between them.

Nothing touches ODI wc because of it's consistent 4 year cycle.

wt20 sometimes gets held every year, sometimes after 2 years, sometimes after 4 years. They need to streamline it.

2021 wt20 happened 5 years after 2016 wt20.
 
Couple of reasons:

1. at the time Pakistan won, the jury was still out on t20 WCs and as a format to take seriously.
2. There are so many T20 world cups going on. The next World Cup was only a year later.
 
GLORY OF '92 said:
Trust me 2017 will remain the last ICC trophy for decades
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I think had Pakistan won beating England, SA, Nzl, SL, WI in CT final no one including Pakistanis would care.

In fact India won a CT in 2002 too but no one cared. However when India won in 2013 it got hype because technically Dhoni completed the golden slam of all ICC tournaments: Wc ,WT20, test no.1, ICC trophy and Asia cup. 2013 was supposed to be the last Champions Trophy.

So that re-kindled hype of CT. With a dream India vs Pak final where an underdog Pakistan won made it even more sweet and memorable for Pakistan fans and the moment stood out.

Not downplaying it at all, Pakistanis won total bragging rights but I think overall the tournament is actually considered pointless.
 
T20 World Cups happen too frequently, plus 2007-2009 was the early t20 era where it was unclear if T20 would become a mainstream format.

Lastly Odi is just more historic and CT + WC have around much much longer as formats and are more historic.

Plus world cup is grand and CT 2017 suffers from recency bias aka its the most recent tournament victory and hence remembered more fondly. While 2009 is ancient.

1992 would probs become ancient as well if Pakistan was Australia and winning every season lol. In Australia's case 2015 is probs the most forgettable win for them
 
mominsaigol said:
T20 World Cups happen too frequently, plus 2007-2009 was the early t20 era where it was unclear if T20 would become a mainstream format.

Lastly Odi is just more historic and CT + WC have around much much longer as formats and are more historic.

Plus world cup is grand and CT 2017 suffers from recency bias aka its the most recent tournament victory and hence remembered more fondly. While 2009 is ancient.

1992 would probs become ancient as well if Pakistan was Australia and winning every season lol. In Australia's case 2015 is probs the most forgettable win for them
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Yea 2015 not their best win but probably the least expected.

2007 aswell was just all too predictable. Started getting boring by then.
 
TheSultan said:
Yea 2015 not their best win but probably the least expected.

2007 aswell was just all too predictable. Started getting boring by then.
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2015 wc was boring as hell. They only lost by one wicket to NZ in a NZ fluke victory.

It was clear as day they'd crucify NZ in the final.

2023 was ironically their best. It was the only tournament they struggled night and day. Every other tournament especially 2007 and 2015 is a joke.
 
T20 is barely cricket. It doesn't need to be remembered any more than it already is.
 
2009 was one of the few memories that will stay bright for years to come.
 
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