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Why Is Bangladesh Booming?
Apr 23, 2018 KAUSHIK BASU

As a result of progressive social policies and a bit of historical luck, Bangladesh has gone from being one of the poorest countries in South Asia to an aspiring "tiger" economy. But can it avoid the risk factors that have derailed dynamic economies throughout history?

NEW YORK – Bangladesh has become one of Asia’s most remarkable and unexpected success stories in recent years. Once one of the poorest regions of Pakistan, Bangladesh remained an economic basket case – wracked by poverty and famine – for many years after independence in 1971. In fact, by 2006, conditions seemed so hopeless that when Bangladesh registered faster growth than Pakistan, it was dismissed as a fluke.

Yet that year would turn out to be an inflection point. Since then, Bangladesh’s annual GDP growth has exceeded Pakistan’s by roughly 2.5 percentage points per year. And this year, its growth rate is likely to surpass India’s (though this primarily reflects India’s economic slowdown, which should be reversed barring gross policy mismanagement).

Moreover, at 1.1% per year, Bangladesh’s population growth is well below Pakistan’s 2% rate, which means that its per capita income is growing faster than Pakistan’s by approximately 3.3 percentage points per year. By extrapolation, Bangladesh will overtake Pakistan in terms of per capita GDP in 2020, even with a correction for purchasing power parity.

To what does Bangladesh owe its quiet transformation? As with all large-scale historical phenomena, there can be no certain answers, only clues. Still, in my view, Bangladesh’s economic transformation was driven in large part by social changes, starting with the empowerment of women.
Thanks to efforts by the nongovernmental organizations Grameen Bankand BRAC, along with more recent work by the government, Bangladesh has made significant strides toward educating girls and giving women a greater voice, both in the household and the public sphere. These efforts have translated into improvements in children’s health and education, such that Bangladeshis’ average life expectancy is now 72 years, compared to 68 years for Indians and 66 years for Pakistanis.

The Bangladesh government also deserves credit for supporting grassroots initiatives in economic inclusion, the positive effects of which are visible in recently released data from the World Bank. Among Bangladeshi adults with bank accounts, 34.1% made digital transactions in 2017, compared to an average rate of 27.8% for South Asia. Moreover, only 10.4% of Bangladeshi bank accounts are “dormant” (meaning there were no deposits or withdrawals in the previous year), compared to 48% of Indian bank accounts.

Another partial explanation for Bangladesh’s progress is the success of its garment manufacturing industry. That success is itself driven by a number of factors. One notable point is that the main garment firms in Bangladesh are large – especially compared to those in India, owing largely to different labor laws.

All labor markets need regulation. But, in India, the 1947 Industrial Disputes Act imposes heavy restrictions on firms’ ability to contract workers and expand their labor force, ultimately doing more harm than good. The law was enacted a few months before the August 1947 independence of India and Pakistan from British imperial rule, meaning that both new countries inherited it. But Pakistan’s military regime, impatient with trade unions from the region that would become Bangladesh, repealed it in 1958.

Thus, having been born without the law, Bangladesh offered a better environment for manufacturing firms to achieve economies of scale and create a large number of jobs. And though Bangladesh still needs much stronger regulation to protect workers from occupational hazards, the absence of a law that explicitly curtails labor-market flexibility has been a boon for job creation and manufacturing success.
The question is whether Bangladesh’s strong economic performance can be sustained. As matters stand, the country’s prospects are excellent, but there are risks that policymakers will need to take into account.

For starters, when a country’s economy takes off, corruption, cronyism, and inequality tend to increase, and can even stall the growth process if left unchecked. Bangladesh is no exception.
But there is an even deeper threat posed by orthodox groups and religious fundamentalists who oppose Bangladesh’s early investments in progressive social reforms. A reversal of those investments would cause a severe and prolonged economic setback. This is not merely a passing concern: vibrant economies have been derailed by zealotry many times throughout history.

For example, a thousand years ago, the Arab caliphates ruled over regions of great economic dynamism, and cities like Damascus and Baghdad were global hubs of culture, research, and innovation. That golden era ended when religious fundamentalism took root and began to spread. Since then, a nostalgic pride in the past has substituted for bold new pursuits in the present.

Pakistan’s history tells a similar tale. In its early years, Pakistan’s economy performed moderately well, with per capita income well above India’s. And it was no coincidence that during this time, cities like Lahore were multicultural centers of art and literature. But then came military rule, restrictions on individual freedom, and Islamic fundamentalist groups erecting walls against openness. By 2005, India surpassed Pakistan in terms of per capita income, and it has since gained a substantial lead.

But this is not about any particular religion. India is a vibrant, secular democracy that was growing at a remarkable annual rate of over 8% until a few years ago. Today, Hindu fundamentalist groups that discriminate against minorities and women, and that are working to thwart scientific research and higher education, are threatening its gains. Likewise, Portugal’s heyday of global power in the fifteenth and sixteenth centuries passed quickly when Christian fanaticism became the empire’s driving political force.

As these examples demonstrate, Bangladesh needs to be vigilant about the risks posed by fundamentalism. Given Prime Minister Sheikh Hasina’s deep commitment to addressing these risks, there is reason to hope for success. In that case, Bangladesh will be on a path that would have been unimaginable just two decades ago: toward becoming an Asian success story.
 
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Bangladesh seems to be a nice country.

It's just their insufferable cricket fans and the illegal immigrants who give me/us a bad impression.
 
Very interesting article and much to ponder for those in the region who want to derive some action plan for progress themselves.
 
There r so many reasons. But I find the religious and social harmony between Bangladeshis as one of the most important factors behind our rapid growth.

Unlike India or Pakistan nobody is treated based on their religion or caste in Bangladesh.
 
There r so many reasons. But I find the religious and social harmony between Bangladeshis as one of the most important factors behind our rapid growth.

Unlike India or Pakistan nobody is treated based on their religion or caste in Bangladesh.

Does Bangladesh have any problems with provinces, ethnicities? Now that I think about it I am clueless about even how many provinces are in your country!
 
Does Bangladesh have any problems with provinces, ethnicities? Now that I think about it I am clueless about even how many provinces are in your country!

Would be interesting to learn how they handle sectarian issues as well, although that might be as much a geological issue for Pakistan as much as an internal one. Still needs to be addressed though.
 
Does Bangladesh have any problems with provinces, ethnicities? Now that I think about it I am clueless about even how many provinces are in your country!

We did face some problem in the past with Chakmas who r a ethnic minority group in Bangladesh.

But overall we r almost a homogenous country where 98% of bangladeshis are ethnically bengali. The remaining 2% is shared by Chakma, marma, santals and other ethnic groups.
 
Would be interesting to learn how they handle sectarian issues as well, although that might be as much a geological issue for Pakistan as much as an internal one. Still needs to be addressed though.

Geographical*
 
‘No Hindus will be left in Bangladesh after 30 years’

Eminent economist and researcher Dr Abul Barkat says that there will be no Hindus left in the country three decades from now.

“The rate of exodus over the past 49 years points to that direction,” the Dhaka University teacher says in his book Political economy of reforming agriculture-land-water bodies in Bangladesh published yesterday.
Barakat was addressing the book launching ceremony at Senate Bhaban of Dhaka University.
From 1964 to 2013, around 11.3 million Hindus left Bangladesh due to religious persecution and discrimination, he said. It means on an average 632 Hindus left the country each day and 230,612 annually.
From his 30-year-long research, Barkat found that the exodus mostly took place during military governments after independence.
Before the Liberation War, the daily rate of migration was 705 while it was 512 during 1971-1981 and 438 during 1981-1991. The number increased to 767 persons each day during 1991-2001 while around 774 persons left the country during 2001-2012, the book says.
DU teacher Prof Ajoy Roy said the government grabbed the properties of the Hindus during the Pakistan regime describing them as enemy property and the same properties were taken by the government after independence as vested property.
According to the book, these two measures made 60% of the Hindus landless.
Retired Justice Kazi Ebadul Haque said the minorities and the poor were deprived of their land rights. For example, when a shoal rises in a river the local leaders register them in the name of poor people, but the same leaders file a case and take the land under the possessions showing the court’s stay order.
The deprived people remain deprived, he said, adding that the land management system should be reformed.
Dhaka University teacher Prof Farid Uddin Ahmed said that the government has to ensure that the indigenous people would not be affected or harmed. “The government must ensure that the people do not think about leaving the country for once.”

https://www.dhakatribune.com/bangladesh/2016/11/20/abul-barkat-632-hindus-left-country-day/

There is religious persecution and systematic oppression against the minority community in Bangladesh
 
There r so many reasons. But I find the religious and social harmony between Bangladeshis as one of the most important factors behind our rapid growth.

Unlike India or Pakistan nobody is treated based on their religion or caste in Bangladesh.

What you said was true about BD for few decades before islamization of BD started. People abusing BD cricketers for wishing Hindus on Vijoy Dashami.

Atheist writers getting killed.

Islamism is rising in BD.
 
What you said was true about BD for few decades before islamization of BD started. People abusing BD cricketers for wishing Hindus on Vijoy Dashami.

Atheist writers getting killed.

Islamism is rising in BD.

Though they're not doing too much different from the global norm on this front, it must be said.

All nations are looking more and more inward.
 
The key has been empowering women by bringing them into the workforce en masse and controlling population growth which go hand in hand.

Bangladesh has done well when you consider the rampant corruption and nepotism entrenched in all parts of society, natural disasters, political conflicts, religious fundamentalism, small landmass and the burden of a huge population thanks to previous generations reproducing like rabbits. There is still a long way to go and so much more to achieve if Bangladesh is to fulfill its potential and consigning dynastic politics to the dustbins of history is crucial to this.
 
What you said was true about BD for few decades before islamization of BD started. People abusing BD cricketers for wishing Hindus on Vijoy Dashami.

Atheist writers getting killed.

Islamism is rising in BD.

If you read the article, the author has said that it isn't about one particular religion, in fact he gives the example of rise of Hindu fundamentalism in India as a possible threat to their gains.
 
‘No Hindus will be left in Bangladesh after 30 years’

Eminent economist and researcher Dr Abul Barkat says that there will be no Hindus left in the country three decades from now.

“The rate of exodus over the past 49 years points to that direction,” the Dhaka University teacher says in his book Political economy of reforming agriculture-land-water bodies in Bangladesh published yesterday.
Barakat was addressing the book launching ceremony at Senate Bhaban of Dhaka University.
From 1964 to 2013, around 11.3 million Hindus left Bangladesh due to religious persecution and discrimination, he said. It means on an average 632 Hindus left the country each day and 230,612 annually.
From his 30-year-long research, Barkat found that the exodus mostly took place during military governments after independence.
Before the Liberation War, the daily rate of migration was 705 while it was 512 during 1971-1981 and 438 during 1981-1991. The number increased to 767 persons each day during 1991-2001 while around 774 persons left the country during 2001-2012, the book says.
DU teacher Prof Ajoy Roy said the government grabbed the properties of the Hindus during the Pakistan regime describing them as enemy property and the same properties were taken by the government after independence as vested property.
According to the book, these two measures made 60% of the Hindus landless.
Retired Justice Kazi Ebadul Haque said the minorities and the poor were deprived of their land rights. For example, when a shoal rises in a river the local leaders register them in the name of poor people, but the same leaders file a case and take the land under the possessions showing the court’s stay order.
The deprived people remain deprived, he said, adding that the land management system should be reformed.
Dhaka University teacher Prof Farid Uddin Ahmed said that the government has to ensure that the indigenous people would not be affected or harmed. “The government must ensure that the people do not think about leaving the country for once.”

https://www.dhakatribune.com/bangladesh/2016/11/20/abul-barkat-632-hindus-left-country-day/

There is religious persecution and systematic oppression against the minority community in Bangladesh

I won't talk about the credibility of Prof. Abul barkat. He's a well known economist in Bangladesh.

However, if his claims r true then how the percentage of Hindus living in babgladesh has increased in recent years? Makes no sense to me at all. In 2011 the percentage of Hindus was 8.5% or something and now the number has grown to almost 10%.

If Hindus r indeed leaving in hordes as per Prof. Barkat then why is their percentage increasing?
 
If you read the article, the author has said that it isn't about one particular religion, in fact he gives the example of rise of Hindu fundamentalism in India as a possible threat to their gains.


While Kaushik Basu is a world renowned economist of great repute, his political views about India should be taken with a sack of salt.

Please google him and you will know.
 
What you said was true about BD for few decades before islamization of BD started. People abusing BD cricketers for wishing Hindus on Vijoy Dashami.

Atheist writers getting killed.

Islamism is rising in BD.

True. Even a simple illiterate man, who hasn't read a single research paper in his life will realise that our own Bangladeshi culture is gradually being replaced with Arab culture.


Burqa or hijab was extremely uncommon in schools and colleges about 20/25 years ago, but now when I go outside I see a large number of students to wear these dresses. But it's quite inevitable though. In a country where 85% of people r Muslims these changes r bound to happen.
 
BTW, we should take the comments of all the illiterate scums on different social sites with a pinch of salt. They r extremely vocal but small in numbers and certainly don't represent our society.
 
True. Even a simple illiterate man, who hasn't read a single research paper in his life will realise that our own Bangladeshi culture is gradually being replaced with Arab culture.


Burqa or hijab was extremely uncommon in schools and colleges about 20/25 years ago, but now when I go outside I see a large number of students to wear these dresses. But it's quite inevitable though. In a country where 85% of people r Muslims these changes r bound to happen.

Why do you need to give up your culture? Didnt you people face a genocide to protect it?
 
I won't talk about the credibility of Prof. Abul barkat. He's a well known economist in Bangladesh.

However, if his claims r true then how the percentage of Hindus living in babgladesh has increased in recent years? Makes no sense to me at all. In 2011 the percentage of Hindus was 8.5% or something and now the number has grown to almost 10%.

If Hindus r indeed leaving in hordes as per Prof. Barkat then why is their percentage increasing?

Declining overall share of Hinduism in Bangladesh

Year Percentage (%)
1901 33.00
1911 31.50
1921 30.60
1931 29.40
1941 28.00
1951 22.05
1961 18.50
1974 13.50
1981 12.13
1991 10.51
2001 9.20
2011 8.96
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hinduism_in_Bangladesh

If you have access to new statistics please post it.There were news about a controversial report which was based on random sampling.
 
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Declining overall share of Hinduism in Bangladesh

Year Percentage (%)
1901 33.00
1911 31.50
1921 30.60
1931 29.40
1941 28.00
1951 22.05
1961 18.50
1974 13.50
1981 12.13
1991 10.51
2001 9.20
2011 8.96
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hinduism_in_Bangladesh

If you have access to new statistics please post it.There were news about a controversial report which was based on random sampling.

Only numbers after 1971 matter. 13 to 9 percent in 40 years is quite stable, accounting for conversions.
 
Perhaps Hindus also have a lower fertility rate in Bangladesh?
 
While Kaushik Basu is a world renowned economist of great repute, his political views about India should be taken with a sack of salt.

Please google him and you will know.

I tried googling him and nothing much came up. Can you be more specific? What is it about his views expressed in this article that you disagree with?
 
Declining overall share of Hinduism in Bangladesh

Year Percentage (%)
1901 33.00
1911 31.50
1921 30.60
1931 29.40
1941 28.00
1951 22.05
1961 18.50
1974 13.50
1981 12.13
1991 10.51
2001 9.20
2011 8.96
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hinduism_in_Bangladesh

If you have access to new statistics please post it.There were news about a controversial report which was based on random sampling.


That number was claimed by Bangladesh bureau of statistics and yes, u were correct about the fact that random sampling technique was used to gather relevant data. We have to wait till our next census to get a real picture of the whole scenario.
 
https://www.project-syndicate.org/c...es-of-economic-growth-by-kaushik-basu-2018-04

Why Is Bangladesh Booming?
Apr 23, 2018 KAUSHIK BASU

As a result of progressive social policies and a bit of historical luck, Bangladesh has gone from being one of the poorest countries in South Asia to an aspiring "tiger" economy. But can it avoid the risk factors that have derailed dynamic economies throughout history?

NEW YORK – Bangladesh has become one of Asia’s most remarkable and unexpected success stories in recent years. Once one of the poorest regions of Pakistan, Bangladesh remained an economic basket case – wracked by poverty and famine – for many years after independence in 1971. In fact, by 2006, conditions seemed so hopeless that when Bangladesh registered faster growth than Pakistan, it was dismissed as a fluke.

Yet that year would turn out to be an inflection point. Since then, Bangladesh’s annual GDP growth has exceeded Pakistan’s by roughly 2.5 percentage points per year. And this year, its growth rate is likely to surpass India’s (though this primarily reflects India’s economic slowdown, which should be reversed barring gross policy mismanagement).

Moreover, at 1.1% per year, Bangladesh’s population growth is well below Pakistan’s 2% rate, which means that its per capita income is growing faster than Pakistan’s by approximately 3.3 percentage points per year. By extrapolation, Bangladesh will overtake Pakistan in terms of per capita GDP in 2020, even with a correction for purchasing power parity.

To what does Bangladesh owe its quiet transformation? As with all large-scale historical phenomena, there can be no certain answers, only clues. Still, in my view, Bangladesh’s economic transformation was driven in large part by social changes, starting with the empowerment of women.
Thanks to efforts by the nongovernmental organizations Grameen Bankand BRAC, along with more recent work by the government, Bangladesh has made significant strides toward educating girls and giving women a greater voice, both in the household and the public sphere. These efforts have translated into improvements in children’s health and education, such that Bangladeshis’ average life expectancy is now 72 years, compared to 68 years for Indians and 66 years for Pakistanis.

The Bangladesh government also deserves credit for supporting grassroots initiatives in economic inclusion, the positive effects of which are visible in recently released data from the World Bank. Among Bangladeshi adults with bank accounts, 34.1% made digital transactions in 2017, compared to an average rate of 27.8% for South Asia. Moreover, only 10.4% of Bangladeshi bank accounts are “dormant” (meaning there were no deposits or withdrawals in the previous year), compared to 48% of Indian bank accounts.

Another partial explanation for Bangladesh’s progress is the success of its garment manufacturing industry. That success is itself driven by a number of factors. One notable point is that the main garment firms in Bangladesh are large – especially compared to those in India, owing largely to different labor laws.

All labor markets need regulation. But, in India, the 1947 Industrial Disputes Act imposes heavy restrictions on firms’ ability to contract workers and expand their labor force, ultimately doing more harm than good. The law was enacted a few months before the August 1947 independence of India and Pakistan from British imperial rule, meaning that both new countries inherited it. But Pakistan’s military regime, impatient with trade unions from the region that would become Bangladesh, repealed it in 1958.

Thus, having been born without the law, Bangladesh offered a better environment for manufacturing firms to achieve economies of scale and create a large number of jobs. And though Bangladesh still needs much stronger regulation to protect workers from occupational hazards, the absence of a law that explicitly curtails labor-market flexibility has been a boon for job creation and manufacturing success.
The question is whether Bangladesh’s strong economic performance can be sustained. As matters stand, the country’s prospects are excellent, but there are risks that policymakers will need to take into account.

For starters, when a country’s economy takes off, corruption, cronyism, and inequality tend to increase, and can even stall the growth process if left unchecked. Bangladesh is no exception.
But there is an even deeper threat posed by orthodox groups and religious fundamentalists who oppose Bangladesh’s early investments in progressive social reforms. A reversal of those investments would cause a severe and prolonged economic setback. This is not merely a passing concern: vibrant economies have been derailed by zealotry many times throughout history.

For example, a thousand years ago, the Arab caliphates ruled over regions of great economic dynamism, and cities like Damascus and Baghdad were global hubs of culture, research, and innovation. That golden era ended when religious fundamentalism took root and began to spread. Since then, a nostalgic pride in the past has substituted for bold new pursuits in the present.

Pakistan’s history tells a similar tale. In its early years, Pakistan’s economy performed moderately well, with per capita income well above India’s. And it was no coincidence that during this time, cities like Lahore were multicultural centers of art and literature. But then came military rule, restrictions on individual freedom, and Islamic fundamentalist groups erecting walls against openness. By 2005, India surpassed Pakistan in terms of per capita income, and it has since gained a substantial lead.

But this is not about any particular religion. India is a vibrant, secular democracy that was growing at a remarkable annual rate of over 8% until a few years ago. Today, Hindu fundamentalist groups that discriminate against minorities and women, and that are working to thwart scientific research and higher education, are threatening its gains. Likewise, Portugal’s heyday of global power in the fifteenth and sixteenth centuries passed quickly when Christian fanaticism became the empire’s driving political force.

As these examples demonstrate, Bangladesh needs to be vigilant about the risks posed by fundamentalism. Given Prime Minister Sheikh Hasina’s deep commitment to addressing these risks, there is reason to hope for success. In that case, Bangladesh will be on a path that would have been unimaginable just two decades ago: toward becoming an Asian success story.

The basic premise is based on quicksand, the Islamic empires were decimated by Mongols who burned down Baghdad, not by fanaticism. Portuguese empire was replaced by the Spanish due to Portugal being a comparatively tiny country who could not stand up to their military might. :facepalm:
 
I tried googling him and nothing much came up. Can you be more specific? What is it about his views expressed in this article that you disagree with?

Kaushik Basu was a Congress Appointed Chief Economic Adviser to India. He has his bias.
 
https://www.project-syndicate.org/c...es-of-economic-growth-by-kaushik-basu-2018-04

Why Is Bangladesh Booming?
Apr 23, 2018 KAUSHIK BASU

As a result of progressive social policies and a bit of historical luck, Bangladesh has gone from being one of the poorest countries in South Asia to an aspiring "tiger" economy. But can it avoid the risk factors that have derailed dynamic economies throughout history?

NEW YORK – Bangladesh has become one of Asia’s most remarkable and unexpected success stories in recent years. Once one of the poorest regions of Pakistan, Bangladesh remained an economic basket case – wracked by poverty and famine – for many years after independence in 1971. In fact, by 2006, conditions seemed so hopeless that when Bangladesh registered faster growth than Pakistan, it was dismissed as a fluke.

Yet that year would turn out to be an inflection point. Since then, Bangladesh’s annual GDP growth has exceeded Pakistan’s by roughly 2.5 percentage points per year. And this year, its growth rate is likely to surpass India’s (though this primarily reflects India’s economic slowdown, which should be reversed barring gross policy mismanagement).

Moreover, at 1.1% per year, Bangladesh’s population growth is well below Pakistan’s 2% rate, which means that its per capita income is growing faster than Pakistan’s by approximately 3.3 percentage points per year. By extrapolation, Bangladesh will overtake Pakistan in terms of per capita GDP in 2020, even with a correction for purchasing power parity.

To what does Bangladesh owe its quiet transformation? As with all large-scale historical phenomena, there can be no certain answers, only clues. Still, in my view, Bangladesh’s economic transformation was driven in large part by social changes, starting with the empowerment of women.
Thanks to efforts by the nongovernmental organizations Grameen Bankand BRAC, along with more recent work by the government, Bangladesh has made significant strides toward educating girls and giving women a greater voice, both in the household and the public sphere. These efforts have translated into improvements in children’s health and education, such that Bangladeshis’ average life expectancy is now 72 years, compared to 68 years for Indians and 66 years for Pakistanis.

The Bangladesh government also deserves credit for supporting grassroots initiatives in economic inclusion, the positive effects of which are visible in recently released data from the World Bank. Among Bangladeshi adults with bank accounts, 34.1% made digital transactions in 2017, compared to an average rate of 27.8% for South Asia. Moreover, only 10.4% of Bangladeshi bank accounts are “dormant” (meaning there were no deposits or withdrawals in the previous year), compared to 48% of Indian bank accounts.

Another partial explanation for Bangladesh’s progress is the success of its garment manufacturing industry. That success is itself driven by a number of factors. One notable point is that the main garment firms in Bangladesh are large – especially compared to those in India, owing largely to different labor laws.

All labor markets need regulation. But, in India, the 1947 Industrial Disputes Act imposes heavy restrictions on firms’ ability to contract workers and expand their labor force, ultimately doing more harm than good. The law was enacted a few months before the August 1947 independence of India and Pakistan from British imperial rule, meaning that both new countries inherited it. But Pakistan’s military regime, impatient with trade unions from the region that would become Bangladesh, repealed it in 1958.

Thus, having been born without the law, Bangladesh offered a better environment for manufacturing firms to achieve economies of scale and create a large number of jobs. And though Bangladesh still needs much stronger regulation to protect workers from occupational hazards, the absence of a law that explicitly curtails labor-market flexibility has been a boon for job creation and manufacturing success.
The question is whether Bangladesh’s strong economic performance can be sustained. As matters stand, the country’s prospects are excellent, but there are risks that policymakers will need to take into account.

For starters, when a country’s economy takes off, corruption, cronyism, and inequality tend to increase, and can even stall the growth process if left unchecked. Bangladesh is no exception.
But there is an even deeper threat posed by orthodox groups and religious fundamentalists who oppose Bangladesh’s early investments in progressive social reforms. A reversal of those investments would cause a severe and prolonged economic setback. This is not merely a passing concern: vibrant economies have been derailed by zealotry many times throughout history.

For example, a thousand years ago, the Arab caliphates ruled over regions of great economic dynamism, and cities like Damascus and Baghdad were global hubs of culture, research, and innovation. That golden era ended when religious fundamentalism took root and began to spread. Since then, a nostalgic pride in the past has substituted for bold new pursuits in the present.

Pakistan’s history tells a similar tale. In its early years, Pakistan’s economy performed moderately well, with per capita income well above India’s. And it was no coincidence that during this time, cities like Lahore were multicultural centers of art and literature. But then came military rule, restrictions on individual freedom, and Islamic fundamentalist groups erecting walls against openness. By 2005, India surpassed Pakistan in terms of per capita income, and it has since gained a substantial lead.

But this is not about any particular religion. India is a vibrant, secular democracy that was growing at a remarkable annual rate of over 8% until a few years ago. Today, Hindu fundamentalist groups that discriminate against minorities and women, and that are working to thwart scientific research and higher education, are threatening its gains. Likewise, Portugal’s heyday of global power in the fifteenth and sixteenth centuries passed quickly when Christian fanaticism became the empire’s driving political force.

As these examples demonstrate, Bangladesh needs to be vigilant about the risks posed by fundamentalism. Given Prime Minister Sheikh Hasina’s deep commitment to addressing these risks, there is reason to hope for success. In that case, Bangladesh will be on a path that would have been unimaginable just two decades ago: toward becoming an Asian success story.

Kaushik Basu as usual taking a few swings at the BJP. He misses the underlying issue. It is not whether a country is ruled by religious people or not, it is whether they provide a legal infrastructure in which commercial contracts are enforced and property rights respected. Germany's economic boom occurred under a party named Christian Democratic Union.

BJP happens to be the most commercial minded of the major parties. It used to be known as the "Bania Party". Certainly more commercial than the "establishment bureaucracy all power to the Gandhi family" Congress and of course more than the Communists.
 
Kaushik Basu as usual taking a few swings at the BJP. He misses the underlying issue. It is not whether a country is ruled by religious people or not, it is whether they provide a legal infrastructure in which commercial contracts are enforced and property rights respected. Germany's economic boom occurred under a party named Christian Democratic Union.

BJP happens to be the most commercial minded of the major parties. It used to be known as the "Bania Party". Certainly more commercial than the "establishment bureaucracy all power to the Gandhi family" Congress and of course more than the Communists.

That undermines his whole article then, as it is based on the premise that religion is an impediment to economic progress. Many Islamic enthusiasts also claim that religion is no impediment to economic progress, and can indeed go hand in hand with it.
 
That undermines his whole article then, as it is based on the premise that religion is an impediment to economic progress. Many Islamic enthusiasts also claim that religion is no impediment to economic progress, and can indeed go hand in hand with it.

As long as Islamic, Christian or Hindu fundamentalists allow for a legal system that enforces contracts, provide law and order, do not put heavy taxes etc. the economy will boom.

If religious fundamentalists start appropriating property by force, then investment will stop and the economy stagnate. Why does Google not set up a research center in Kandahar like it does in Bangalore? Because if it produces wealth the Taliban with their guns will seize the wealth.

Whether BJP are religious fundamentalists or not is debatable. The fact is that they have been providing an environment conducive to economic growth. Nor have they shown any inclination to seize anybody's property, based on religion or otherwise.

BJP is a mix of different sorts of people. Some are religious fundamentalists, some are nationalists, some are economic free marketers. This sort of a coalition is very similar to the US Republican party. Republicans try to keep the factions such as the Christian Evangelists and the Gun Nuts NRA happy, but in economic matters they are free marketers. Trump's opposition to free trade agreements is a departure from Republican orthodoxy.
 
coming back to the topic, most of the BD folks I have met are very hard working people. I have few relatives who have done business in BD for last couple of decades and they vouch for their hardworking nature. At least in the garment industry the govt seems to be very aggressive and nimble like private sector. The feedback from close relatives who done business in BD in that industry. So good for them.. A strong, booming BD is very good for its neighbor..

One more thing about BD is they are extremely smart in their foreign relations. They are milking both India and China and getting some really great deals.. Irrespective of issues between India and China, the business between them will increase exponentially over the next few decades. BD lies right in between them. The look east policy by India and the infrastructure that they are developing will help both the countries. BD can be a gateway to Chinese goods to India and other way around. the land route connecting India, Myamnaar, BD, Thailand, Vietnam, Loas, will touch China and potentially be blockbuster trade route in decades to come
[MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION] interested to your views on the topic
 
That's the most ridiculous and lame argument I've heard for such a massive change in demographics.

demography change is not bad when it strengthens the dominant demography. Change in religion causes change in ideology which can cause change in loyalty. the majority is by default loyal. therefore demography shift from minority to majority is a positive change.
 
Myanmar is certainly a hostile neighbour - I wouldn't be surprised if Bangladesh and Myanmar go to war over the Rohingya issue sooner or later.

That will be the first time they go to war...that is far from hostile if you consider the surrounding few countries :sachin

Also - Bangladesh wasn't forced to go nuclear to avoid getting hit by a 'friendly' nuclear bomb from the neighbor.
 
demography change is not bad when it strengthens the dominant demography. Change in religion causes change in ideology which can cause change in loyalty. the majority is by default loyal. therefore demography shift from minority to majority is a positive change.

Is that right? So then why did Bangladeshis resist the attempted "demography change" tried by the Pak Military in 1971 so strongly? Wouldn't that have been a "positive change"?
 
Is that right? So then why did Bangladeshis resist the attempted "demography change" tried by the Pak Military in 1971 so strongly? Wouldn't that have been a "positive change"?
Don't know what you are talking about. East and West had same religion so the question of change in religion doesn't arise.
 
Don't know what you are talking about. East and West had same religion so the question of change in religion doesn't arise.

It wasn't only religion. There was also an attempt to impose Urdu and generally erase or at least subjugate the Bengali identity.
 
Does Bangladesh have any problems with provinces, ethnicities? Now that I think about it I am clueless about even how many provinces are in your country!

Not in a practical manner. There may be some regions like Sylhet that are the butt of some jokes, but there isn't any systematic inequality that I am aware. Sylhetis tend to have an insular, tribal type mentality that a lot Punjabis have (eg village based rivalries, etc).

Our biggest problems are overcrowding and climate change given 90% of the country is just meters above sea level.
 
Is that right? So then why did Bangladeshis resist the attempted "demography change" tried by the Pak Military in 1971 so strongly? Wouldn't that have been a "positive change"?

In 1971 E Pakistan was 55% of the population hence we were the dominant demography.
 
That will be the first time they go to war...that is far from hostile if you consider the surrounding few countries :sachin

The US and Soviet Union / Russia have fought a grand total of 0 wars between them. I suppose they aren't hostile to each other either.
 
In 1971 E Pakistan was 55% of the population hence we were the dominant demography.

And what did that "dominance" achieve, apart from the creation of Pakistan? I'm sure you know, unlike most patriotic members of this board, that without Bengalis, Pakistan actually would never have existed?
 
The US and Soviet Union / Russia have fought a grand total of 0 wars between them. I suppose they aren't hostile to each other either.

But there was the cold war and other proxy wars that took place. Plus Us and Russia are a bad example since both are nuclear states with enough WMDs to blow this planet. Myanmar and Bangladesh are not as hostile as Pakistan and India...and that was my point.
 
Bangladesh is certainly doing something right if the stats are to be believed.


Bangladesh has made remarkable progress in reducing poverty, supported by sustained economic growth. Based on the international poverty line of $1.90 per person per day, poverty declined from 44.2 percent in 1991 to 13.8 percent in 2016/17. In parallel, life expectancy, literacy rates and per capita food production have increased significantly. Progress was underpinned by 6 percent plus growth over the decade and reaching to 7.3 percent in 2016/2017, according to official estimates. Rapid growth enabled Bangladesh to reach the lower middle-income country status in 2015. In 2018, Bangladesh met the eligibility criteria for graduation from the United Nation’s Least Developed Countries (LDC) list, and is on track to graduate in 2024. Sustained economic growth has increased the demand for energy and transport, and spurred urbanization. Insufficient planning and investment have resulted in increasingly severe infrastructure bottlenecks. To achieve its growth aspiration of becoming an upper-middle income country by its 50th anniversary in 2021, the country needs to urgently implement structural reforms, expand investments in human capital, increase female labor force participation, and raise productivity through increased global value chain integration. Improving infrastructure as well as the business climate would allow new productive sectors to develop and generate jobs.


https://www.worldbank.org/en/results/2018/11/15/bangladesh-reducing-poverty-and-sharing-prosperity


Rise of Bangladesh: An economic success story

Per capita income has risen nearly threefold since 2009, reaching $1,750 this year


Bangladesh has been marred by tragedy including: the 1971 Liberation War, poverty, natural disasters—and now—one of the world's largest refugee crises after receiving an influx of 750,000 Rohingya Muslims who fled persecution in neighboring Myanmar.

However, with remarkably little international attention, Bangladesh has also become one of the world's economic success stories.

Aided by a fast-growing manufacturing sector—its garment industry is second only to China's—Bangladesh's economy has averaged above 6% annual growth for nearly a decade; reaching 7.86% in the year through June, reports Nikkei Asian Review.

From mass starvation in 1974, the country has achieved near self-sufficiency in food production for its more than 166 million people. Per capita income has risen nearly threefold since 2009, reaching $1,750 this year.

Meanwhile, the number of people living in extreme poverty—classified as under $1.25 per day—has shrunk from about 19% of the population, to less than 9%, over the same period, according to the World Bank.

‘Developing economy’

Earlier this year, Bangladesh celebrated a pivotal moment when it met United Nations criteria to graduate from "least developed country" status by 2024. Prime Minister Sheikh Hasina considers the elevation of status to "developing economy" a significant boost to the nation's self-image.

Bangladesh's economic performance has even exceeded government targets on many fronts.


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With a national strategy focused on manufacturing—dominated by the garment industry—the country has seen exports soar by an average annual rate of 15-17% in recent years; reaching a record $36.7 billion in the year through June.

This sector is on track to meet the government's goal of $39 billion in 2019, and Prime Minister Sheikh Hasina has urged industry to reach a $50 billion valuation by 2021; to mark the 50th anniversary of the Liberation War, said the Nikkei Asian Review report.

A vast community of about 2.5 million Bangladeshi overseas workers further buoys the economy with remittances that jumped an annual 18% to top $15 billion in 2018. However, Hasina also knows the country needs to move up the industrial value chain.

Political and business leaders echo her ambitions to shift from the old model of operating as a low-cost manufacturing hub partly dependent on remittances and international aid.

‘Digital Bangladesh’

Sheikh Hasina launched a "Digital Bangladesh" strategy in 2009 backed by generous incentives.

Now, Dhaka, the nation's capital, is home to a small but growing technology sector led by CEOs who talk boldly about "leapfrogging" neighboring India in IT. Pharmaceutical manufacturing—another Indian staple—is also on the rise.

The government is now implementing an ambitious scheme to build a network of 100 special economic zones around the country; 11 of them have been completed while 79 are under construction.

Tailored industrial policy

The ready-made garment industry is a key factor in the country's phenomenal success story. The industry is the country's largest employer, providing about 4.5 million jobs, and accounted for nearly 80% of Bangladesh's total merchandise exports in 2018.

It has undergone seismic changes since the watershed Rana Plaza disaster in 2013, when a multi-story garment factory complex collapsed, killing more than 1,130 workers. In the aftermath, the industry was forced by international apparel brands to implement sweeping reforms; including factory upgrades, inspections, and improved worker conditions.

Further investment is needed if Bangladesh's garment industry is to remain competitive.

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Bangladesh's textile industry could benefit if China's garment exports are hit by a prolonged US-China trade war. However, other garment centers are also taking aim at a vulnerable China, including: Vietnam, Turkey, Myanmar, and Ethiopia.

Intensifying international competition has already sparked consolidation in Bangladesh's garment industry, reducing the number of factories by 22% in the last five years to 4,560, according to the BGMEA.

The government has moved to streamline the investment process with the creation of a "one-stop" investor service intended to replicate similar services in Singapore and Vietnam. This has yet to gain momentum.

More successful is Sheikh Hasina's digital push. With her son, a US-educated tech expert, as a key adviser, the program has introduced generous tax breaks for the information and communications technology sector; and a sweeping scheme to build 12 high-tech parks across the country.

Bangladesh's exports of software and IT services reached nearly $800 million in the year, till June 30, and are on track to exceed $1 billion this fiscal year.

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There have been outstanding homegrown tech successes, such as the ride-sharing service Pathao, which received a $2 million investment from Indonesian unicorn Go-Jek, and mobile financial services group bKash, in which Alipay—an arm of China's Alibaba Group Holding—took a 20% stake in April.

What about pharmaceuticals?

Bangladesh is hoping to challenge India in pharmaceuticals, too. With its "least developed country" status, the country has enjoyed a waiver on drug patents.

This has fueled intensifying competition between India and Bangladesh in the field of generic and bulk drugs. Among local star performers are Incepta Pharmaceuticals, Bangladesh's second-largest generics maker, which exports to about 60 countries, and Popular Pharmaceuticals, which is eyeing an eventual listing.

One of Bangladesh's competitive disadvantages is its poor infrastructure, and the country has turned to China for help.

Under its Belt and Road Initiative, China has financed various megaprojects in Bangladesh, including most of the nearly $4 billion Padma Bridge rail link, which will connect the country's southwest with the northern and eastern regions. In all, China has committed $38 billion in loans, aid, and other assistance for Bangladesh.

China's heavy infrastructure investment has drawn criticism of its "debt diplomacy" in other countries, including Pakistan and Sri Lanka. However, local economists dismiss such concerns.

Chinese investors also bought 25% of the Dhaka Stock Exchange in 2018, and Bangladesh is now the second-largest importer of Chinese military hardware after Pakistan.

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While some may question so much investment from Beijing, Sheikh Hasina said it is simply a fact that China is set to play a bigger role in the region.

Bitter political rivalry

Behind the impressive numbers and bold ambitions, however, are daunting hurdles ranging from structural problems to deep political divisions, which have come to the fore ahead of national elections on December 30.

Bangladeshi politics have been dominated for years by the bitter rivalry between Prime Minister Sheikh Hasina and former Prime Minister Khaleda Zia. Both women have been in and out of power—and prison—over the past three decades.

Khaleda Zia, who chairs the opposition BNP, is in jail on corruption charges that she says are false.

Since 1981, Sheikh Hasina has led the ruling Awami League, founded by her father, Sheikh Mujibur Rahman—the country's first president—who was killed by army personnel along with most of his family in 1975.

The party enjoyed strong support in some past elections. However, opposition activists and human rights groups have voiced concern about potential polling fraud and intimidation tactics.

After two consecutive five-year terms for the ruling party, analysts point to a palpable "anti-incumbency" sentiment among some voters. Yet from an economic standpoint, many agree that a ruling party victory would support further development.

Business seems largely on the ruling party's side—if only for stability's sake.

https://www.dhakatribune.com/bangla.../rise-of-bangladesh-an-economic-success-story
 
most important thing bang did was control their population growth, it has allowed a steady improvement in living standards for average people which has accrued and compounded over a decade or two.
 
Question: Why is Bangladesh booming?

Answer: It succeeded in parting ways with Pakistan
 
Bangladesh is lucky that it is not involved in arms race which affects India and Pakistan's budget.
 
Hopefully both will push each other to new heights, economically, in the coming years.


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Which will grow faster over the next few decades - Bangladesh, with its more traditional development model, or India, with its unorthodox pioneering approach? <a href="https://t.co/JG0NUuwDx1">https://t.co/JG0NUuwDx1</a></p>— Noah Smith 🐇 (@Noahpinion) <a href="https://twitter.com/Noahpinion/status/1104140267077152768?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 8, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
As the above Bloomberg article suggests, this is not a good time to be a low cost manufacturer. It appears BD put all it's export eggs in the textile manufacturing. Clusters of robots will lead to manufacturing being more local instead of being centralized in low cost wage areas like BD. There is a reason why China has been offloading those to Vietnam etc.

India is gaining strength in specialized manufacturing but they have always underperformed in manufacturing compared to the scale they could achieve. India relies on services and those could be victims of automation and AI in the next few years. The massive educated employees in both countries will face a lot of challenges in the next few years because of automation. Loss in wages will lead to defaults and destruction in property values due to excessive supply. With most Asians investing only in property and gold, this could lead to loss in networth. Tough times ahead
 
Bangladesh seems to be a nice country.

It's just their insufferable cricket fans and the illegal immigrants who give me/us a bad impression.

You think our fans are any good ? Why does the whole world get happy when we lose lol ?
 
Good to see Bangladesh doing well, but population is still mind boggling for such a small country.
 
As the above Bloomberg article suggests, this is not a good time to be a low cost manufacturer. It appears BD put all it's export eggs in the textile manufacturing. Clusters of robots will lead to manufacturing being more local instead of being centralized in low cost wage areas like BD. There is a reason why China has been offloading those to Vietnam etc.

India is gaining strength in specialized manufacturing but they have always underperformed in manufacturing compared to the scale they could achieve. India relies on services and those could be victims of automation and AI in the next few years. The massive educated employees in both countries will face a lot of challenges in the next few years because of automation. Loss in wages will lead to defaults and destruction in property values due to excessive supply. With most Asians investing only in property and gold, this could lead to loss in networth. Tough times ahead

So manufacturing (blue collar) workers are doomed, and management/services (white collar) workers will be replaced by AI.

Will we all be bagging groceries in the local supermarket, or delivering Amazon packages?

Seriously, I buy into this gloom and doom unless we figure out how to have modern economies keep generating high paying jobs for most of the workers.
 
Neighbouring countries boomed at the expense of Pakistan. Whilst we were fighting wars businesses moved to other countries
 
Hopefully both will push each other to new heights, economically, in the coming years.


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Which will grow faster over the next few decades - Bangladesh, with its more traditional development model, or India, with its unorthodox pioneering approach? <a href="https://t.co/JG0NUuwDx1">https://t.co/JG0NUuwDx1</a></p>— Noah Smith &#55357;&#56327; (@Noahpinion) <a href="https://twitter.com/Noahpinion/status/1104140267077152768?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 8, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

While I am very happy for Bangladesh and wish it continuing success, at this point in time there is no comparison between the industries that India is developing and those Bangladesh is developing.

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And the above exports do not even account for India's massive software industry!
 
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You think our fans are any good ? Why does the whole world get happy when we lose lol ?

Because of the BCCI. Not particularly the fans.

In the case of Bangladesh, it's because of the fans. Not the BCB.
 
They don't have insane military expenses like India and Pakistan, while having a defacto 1 party state like China. Wim-win really :19:
 
They don't have insane military expenses like India and Pakistan, while having a defacto 1 party state like China. Wim-win really :19:

Could it be they don't have insane military expenses because they have accepted a subsidiary role with India with overall approval and direction coming from Delhi? I think this is the reason why so many articles of booming Bangladesh find their way on Pakistani forums.
 
So manufacturing (blue collar) workers are doomed, and management/services (white collar) workers will be replaced by AI.

Will we all be bagging groceries in the local supermarket, or delivering Amazon packages?

Seriously, I buy into this gloom and doom unless we figure out how to have modern economies keep generating high paying jobs for most of the workers.

Bagging groceries will be done by robots and amazon packages will be delivered by drones:))
At the end of the day, the biggest challenge with AI is NOT about controlling AI so that the robots dont kill us all as they show in movies. The challenge is to find enough employment for the human beings
 
Happy for Bangladesh. We committed alot of atrocities on them from 47 to 71 and I'm glad the country is finding her own feet now. Our displeasure for BCB or chest thumping BD fans shouldn't be taken as animosity for the country. My own grandfather was posted in Dhaka when was alive and worked for GoP.


I hope over time BD is able to shed its Indian influence and elect leaders that do not take directives from New Delhi. An economically strong and hostile Bangladesh and Pakistan on either ends of it are India's worst nightmare.
 
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Happy for Bangladesh. We committed alot of atrocities on them from 47 to 71 and I'm glad the country is finding her own feet now. Our displeasure for BCB or chest thumping BD fans shouldn't be taken as animosity for the country. My own grandfather was posted in Dhaka when was alive and worked for GoP.


I hope over time BD is able to shed its Indian influence and elect leaders that do not take directives from New Delhi. An economically strong and hostile Bangladesh and Pakistan on either ends of it are India's worst nightmare.

Pretty much spot on.

Have no hate for any BD people at all. Only dislike Hasina and BCB.
 
Because of the BCCI. Not particularly the fans.

In the case of Bangladesh, it's because of the fans. Not the BCB.

Our fans are just as worse. Larger population = More idiots. And even before the Srini saga, everyone at school made fun of us when we lost. We also have sour grapes induced in jingoism so when we lose good % of the kids at school had issues admitting defeats. India vs anyone resulted in neutral rooting against India. No one spared us after the 2007 WC man, still remember to this day, the eliminator match was on a Friday, thought the emotions would subside by Monday but nope :virat
 
most important thing bang did was control their population growth, it has allowed a steady improvement in living standards for average people which has accrued and compounded over a decade or two.

I was watching the documentary about it. It was definitely a great the way they approched the issue. If all population crisis asian/african countries taught their population about sex education properly rather then keeping it a hush-hush and make babies like rabbits behind the door, we would not be having this population crisis around the world. But kudos to them for taking such an approach, reduced from about 7 child per household to about 2.5 within such a short period of time. This alone reduced the poverty line by a lot.
 
Is Bangladesh the fastest developing nation in Sub continent ? or is it Sri lanka ? Colombo skyline has dramatically changed over the last decade. Pakistan is on a decline ?
 
Because their focus is on industrial growth. Pakistan can do far better because it has an added advantage of being an agricultural country if somehow they improve their relationships with their neighbor countries.
 
Bagging groceries will be done by robots and amazon packages will be delivered by drones:))
At the end of the day, the biggest challenge with AI is NOT about controlling AI so that the robots dont kill us all as they show in movies. The challenge is to find enough employment for the human beings

It is not far in future. Pizza hut is already launching pizza delivery by a robot.
 
India separated from Pakistan - booming

Bangladesh separated from Pakistan - booming

Meanwhile, Pakistan is struggling. When will we take a good look in the mirror and realise that we are the problem?
 
India separated from Pakistan - booming

Bangladesh separated from Pakistan - booming

Meanwhile, Pakistan is struggling. When will we take a good look in the mirror and realise that we are the problem?

India didn’t separate from Pakistan :facepalm:

Either you can say:

1) Pakistan separated from India
2) British India got partitioned into Pakistan and India
 
India didn’t separate from Pakistan :facepalm:

Either you can say:

1) Pakistan separated from India
2) British India got partitioned into Pakistan and India

You know what I meant. If we want to be picky then technically "Pakistan separated from India" is wrong as well, since Pakistan gained independence on 14th August and India on 15th August. "British India got partitioned into Pakistan and India" is obviously the most appropriate expression, but it didn't go with the flow of my post.
 
No harm in learning from what your neighbours are doing right.

Bangladesh have increased the participation of females in the labour force whereas the numbers are pitifully low in Pakistan.

As for controlling fertility rates, even the Islamic Republic of Iran is more progressive than Pakistan in this regard. It's not like Bangladesh doesn't have its own ultra-conservative religious constituency.
 
India separated from Pakistan - booming

Bangladesh separated from Pakistan - booming

Meanwhile, Pakistan is struggling. When will we take a good look in the mirror and realise that we are the problem?

We were booming till March 2018, things started going downhill since. We were actually Asian tigers and look at us how we have gone backwards in just 10 months. Worst performance of current government in history of mankind :)

Well if they are booming and we aren't, there must be some fundamental issues with us and our declining export figures reflect that. THIS is why we criticise previous governments and whether current PTI government has done any better will be known in few years time, apologists should have enough courage to call previous rulers out for their pathetic performance.
 
Happy for Bangladesh. We committed alot of atrocities on them from 47 to 71 and I'm glad the country is finding her own feet now. Our displeasure for BCB or chest thumping BD fans shouldn't be taken as animosity for the country. My own grandfather was posted in Dhaka when was alive and worked for GoP.


I hope over time BD is able to shed its Indian influence and elect leaders that do not take directives from New Delhi. An economically strong and hostile Bangladesh and Pakistan on either ends of it are India's worst nightmare.

All I say is don't pay attention to these stupid fans. Social media has given a platform for many such ignorant and stupid fans. I also cringe at their comments are like that. Not all of us are like that :)

I have made many Pakistani friends who used to tell me how their parents/grandparents visited or used to live in Bangladesh before the war. Marriage between the two wings were quite common. Some of the families stayed back in Dhaka as well.

About India, it is very hard to ignore the influence of such an economically powerful neighbor. For us to grow, we have to be in friendlier terms with India due to their sheer size and economic scale. It doesn't mean to give up our own sovereignty but maintaining a good relationship is important.
 
We were booming till March 2018, things started going downhill since. We were actually Asian tigers and look at us how we have gone backwards in just 10 months. Worst performance of current government in history of mankind :)

Well if they are booming and we aren't, there must be some fundamental issues with us and our declining export figures reflect that. THIS is why we criticise previous governments and whether current PTI government has done any better will be known in few years time, apologists should have enough courage to call previous rulers out for their pathetic performance.

The biggest reason why we have failed to prosper is because our country is run by the military, who have controlled our foreign policy, domestic policy to serve their interests.

The foreign policy has been designed to ensure that Pakistan have hostile relations with India, which have led to hostile relations with Bangladesh and Afghanistan as well. Why? Because, when a country is at peace, its military cannot exercise control.

It is in the best interests of our military to ensure that Pakistan maintains strained relations.

Their atrocities in East Pakistan led to the separation of Bangladesh, and their atrocities in FATA and Balochistan will not have a happy ending either.

Since 1947, for all their big talk, they have not gained an inch of Kashmir and have surrendered the eastern half of the country as a consequence, and the part of Kashmir that they now proudly control was won for them by the people of FATA that they have butchered over the decades.

They have maintained the status quo in Kashmir by funding terrorists and uprisings, and that has obviously put our own country at security risk. As a result of our involvement in Kashmir, India have responded by infiltrating their own terrorists via Afghanistan, Balochistan and FATA.

To deal with their own created problems, they have launched these Zarb-e-this and Zarb-e-that paid by the federal government, while the retired military officers are getting their pension from the federal government as well. Where is the military budget going, if the government is paying for anti-terrorist operations and pension funds?

People who talk about the economic growth under military dictatorship should note that it was artificially boosted because our dictators were doing Pentagon’s bidding, who in turn gave us funds to fight their wars.

To sum up, this has been the contribution of our military since 1947:

- rampant Islamization (Gen. Zia)

- inflow of terrorists

- federal expenses in addition to an inflated defence budget (Zarbs and pension)

- political instability

- poor relations with our neighbors

- slow economic growth

- alienation of FATA and balochistan

- independence of east Pakistan

The political parties and leaders that people blame for our demise were launched by the military itself, and once upon a time, they were the boot polishers in-chief like Imran is today.

As long as our military is involved in politics and economy, we have no chance of economic development. Putting faith in saviors and messiahs like Imran will not change anything as long as the military is running the country.
 
The biggest reason why we have failed to prosper is because our country is run by the military, who have controlled our foreign policy, domestic policy to serve their interests.

The foreign policy has been designed to ensure that Pakistan have hostile relations with India, which have led to hostile relations with Bangladesh and Afghanistan as well. Why? Because, when a country is at peace, its military cannot exercise control.

It is in the best interests of our military to ensure that Pakistan maintains strained relations.

Their atrocities in East Pakistan led to the separation of Bangladesh, and their atrocities in FATA and Balochistan will not have a happy ending either.

Since 1947, for all their big talk, they have not gained an inch of Kashmir and have surrendered the eastern half of the country as a consequence, and the part of Kashmir that they now proudly control was won for them by the people of FATA that they have butchered over the decades.

They have maintained the status quo in Kashmir by funding terrorists and uprisings, and that has obviously put our own country at security risk. As a result of our involvement in Kashmir, India have responded by infiltrating their own terrorists via Afghanistan, Balochistan and FATA.

To deal with their own created problems, they have launched these Zarb-e-this and Zarb-e-that paid by the federal government, while the retired military officers are getting their pension from the federal government as well. Where is the military budget going, if the government is paying for anti-terrorist operations and pension funds?

People who talk about the economic growth under military dictatorship should note that it was artificially boosted because our dictators were doing Pentagon’s bidding, who in turn gave us funds to fight their wars.

To sum up, this has been the contribution of our military since 1947:

- rampant Islamization (Gen. Zia)

- inflow of terrorists

- federal expenses in addition to an inflated defence budget (Zarbs and pension)

- political instability

- poor relations with our neighbors

- slow economic growth

- alienation of FATA and balochistan

- independence of east Pakistan

The political parties and leaders that people blame for our demise were launched by the military itself, and once upon a time, they were the boot polishers in-chief like Imran is today.

As long as our military is involved in politics and economy, we have no chance of economic development. Putting faith in saviors and messiahs like Imran will not change anything as long as the military is running the country.

No mention of PPP and PMLN destroying our economy in 10 years? We were doing just fine under Ayub Khan(not that i support military rule).
 
India separated from Pakistan - booming

Bangladesh separated from Pakistan - booming

Meanwhile, Pakistan is struggling. When will we take a good look in the mirror and realise that we are the problem?
India didn’t separate from Pakistan. But I get your point
 
The biggest reason why we have failed to prosper is because our country is run by the military, who have controlled our foreign policy, domestic policy to serve their interests.


The foreign policy has been designed to ensure that Pakistan have hostile relations with India, which have led to hostile relations with Bangladesh and Afghanistan as well. Why? Because, when a country is at peace, its military cannot exercise control.

It is in the best interests of our military to ensure that Pakistan maintains strained relations.

Their atrocities in East Pakistan led to the separation of Bangladesh, and their atrocities in FATA and Balochistan will not have a happy ending either.

Since 1947, for all their big talk, they have not gained an inch of Kashmir and have surrendered the eastern half of the country as a consequence, and the part of Kashmir that they now proudly control was won for them by the people of FATA that they have butchered over the decades.

They have maintained the status quo in Kashmir by funding terrorists and uprisings, and that has obviously put our own country at security risk. As a result of our involvement in Kashmir, India have responded by infiltrating their own terrorists via Afghanistan, Balochistan and FATA.

To deal with their own created problems, they have launched these Zarb-e-this and Zarb-e-that paid by the federal government, while the retired military officers are getting their pension from the federal government as well. Where is the military budget going, if the government is paying for anti-terrorist operations and pension funds?

People who talk about the economic growth under military dictatorship should note that it was artificially boosted because our dictators were doing Pentagon’s bidding, who in turn gave us funds to fight their wars.

To sum up, this has been the contribution of our military since 1947:

- rampant Islamization (Gen. Zia)

- inflow of terrorists

- federal expenses in addition to an inflated defence budget (Zarbs and pension)

- political instability

- poor relations with our neighbors

- slow economic growth

- alienation of FATA and balochistan

- independence of east Pakistan

The political parties and leaders that people blame for our demise were launched by the military itself, and once upon a time, they were the boot polishers in-chief like Imran is today.

As long as our military is involved in politics and economy, we have no chance of economic development. Putting faith in saviors and messiahs like Imran will not change anything as long as the military is running the country.

Agree what you say here. People forget that Nawaz army's own creation just like Imran is today. Imran for all his supposed well intentions has the sane team electables in his team today who corroded the foundation of your country. I as an India would love to see a strong democratic pakistan even it is for my own selfish reason. For the regions sake and your own country's sake Pakistan needs a proper revolution (not the Islamic kind). You need to take some baby steps which are supported by common man rather than gun wielding army men. Unless that happens Pakistan will not realize it's potential. BD has realized it and hope Pakistan does too
 
Agree what you say here. People forget that Nawaz army's own creation just like Imran is today. Imran for all his supposed well intentions has the sane team electables in his team today who corroded the foundation of your country. I as an India would love to see a strong democratic pakistan even it is for my own selfish reason. For the regions sake and your own country's sake Pakistan needs a proper revolution (not the Islamic kind). You need to take some baby steps which are supported by common man rather than gun wielding army men. Unless that happens Pakistan will not realize it's potential. BD has realized it and hope Pakistan does too
It is not so easy in Pakistan. [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION]s list is spot on but the Army has a huge propaganda machine. They carefully monitor activists who can "disappear" if they are too critical. This has happened to many people recently like Amar Ali Jan, Waqas Goaraya etc. Even when you go out for a drive the faces of Nishan e Haider are painted all over walls in Pakistan. On social media our DG ISPR twitter had the nerve to criticise BBC report pointing out human rights abuses in Waziristan. Instead of recognising the need for security, we prefer to think everyone is against us in a worldwide conspiracy.
 
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