Why is Faheem Ashraf batting at 8 in ODIs?

[Greenstorm]

Faheem averages 40 in test cricket. He is a test class batsman who has scored crucial runs against top attacks in tough conditions. I will say he is among the best batsmen in Pakistan these days.

It is shocking that management is still persisting with him at 8 in ODIs where he has been a failure. He is simply not a slogger or power hitter that they are perceiving him to be. He is a proper batsman who at best can score at 110 sr.

We played duds in Danish and Asif at 5,6. Faheem should occupy one of those positions (ideally 5). The fact that he can give us 10 economical overs is a bonus.

We are severely underutilizing Rana ji's potential and its baffling that management can't see it.

 

[Saj]

If Faheem were to bat at number 5 in ODIs, then we are in even bigger trouble than I thought we were.

 

[Adil_94]

Faheem is similar to Ashwin as a bat for me in the sense that he will do better when the fielders are up like in test cricket and theres more gaps to exploit in the field and also less pressure on required run rate and he can play himself in.

He shouldnt be considered a top 6 batsman in ODIs. Maybe no 7 is ideal for him. But Shadab is on his way to becoming a China wala Steve Smith because his bowling is dropping rapidly whilst his batting is improving so interesting to see how both will slot in

 

[TheNightWatchman]

Shadab should be batting higher. I've always said it. The guy has been clutch in a lot of innings and has proved he can hang in the tough situations. Most of the reason he gets out is because of his own undoing. Should focus more on his batting from now on and bat at 5. Give him that responsibility and he'll get better

 

[gazza619]

I like Shadab at 7 and Faheem at 8.

Faheem is a no.7 / 8 batsman at the very most. No way is he a no.5!

You do need some solidity down the order.

 

[Greenstorm]

If Faheem were to bat at number 5 in ODIs, then we are in even bigger trouble than I thought we were.

You are under estimating Faheem 2.0. The guy has trashed Boult - Southe in NZ and taken care of Rabada and Nortje in Pindi.

We have tried Asif, Talat, Malik, Danish, Iftikhar heck some are willing to go back to Sarfaraz all the while a 40 averaging test class batsman is stuck at 8.

 

[BreadPakoda]

He averages 13 in ODIs and 12 in T20s.

Even in domestics, he has done far better in red ball cricket.

You will have to demote Shadab to promote him and Shadab averages 26 in ODIs at both international and domestic level.

Sometimes team management sees what fans can't.

 

[Saj]

You are under estimating Faheem 2.0. The guy has trashed Boult - Southe in NZ and taken care of Rabada and Nortje in Pindi.

We have tried Asif, Talat, Malik, Danish, Iftikhar heck some are willing to go back to Sarfaraz all the while a 40 averaging test class batsman is stuck at 8.

At best he's a number 7 and that too if you are playing 6 proper batsmen ahead of him.

I wouldn't want him batting any higher.

 

[Rayyman]

You are under estimating Faheem 2.0. The guy has trashed Boult - Southe in NZ and taken care of Rabada and Nortje in Pindi.

We have tried Asif, Talat, Malik, Danish, Iftikhar heck some are willing to go back to Sarfaraz all the while a 40 averaging test class batsman is stuck at 8.

Faheem said he wants to focus on his bowling and be a bowling all-rounder.

No doubt his batting is great. He has the technique to survive tough bowling and as we have seen in PSL, he can be explosive. Definitely the best power hitter in the Pakistan team.

He needs to improve his bowling so he does not become a bits and pieces cricketer, even though he is capable of batting anywhere in the middle-order.

 

[Greenstorm]

He averages 13 in ODIs and 12 in T20s.

Even in domestics, he has done far better in red ball cricket.

You will have to demote Shadab to promote him and Shadab averages 26 in ODIs at both international and domestic level.

Sometimes team management sees what fans can't.

He will average even less if he keeps batting at 8 in LOIs.

The way I see it, he is useless at 8. A number 8 should always be a bowling all rounder who can smash a 30 (16) when required. Faheem is non of that. He is not threatening enough as a bowler and can't hit big straight away.

Hassan, Wahab, Amir, Imad and Qadir are better at 8 than Faheem. Either promote him up the order (which they should) or look past him for 2023 WC.

 

[Greenstorm]

Faheem said he wants to focus on his bowling and be a bowling all-rounder.

No doubt his batting is great. He has the technique to survive tough bowling and as we have seen in PSL, he can be explosive. Definitely the best power hitter in the Pakistan team.

He needs to improve his bowling so he does not become a bits and pieces cricketer, even though he is capable of batting anywhere in the middle-order.

He will never be a bowling all rounder. At least in LOIs.

 

[Mirpur express]

No 8 is where he should be in odi’s ,He needs to play his way up! still to play an innings of note in odi. I believe his bowling has improved, he has shown accuracy & troubled batsmen with that back of a length line , pace wise I think he does hit the bat hard with odd high 130s but consistent medium pace , just needs to start throwing more Yorkers which he is capable of

 

[Bewal Express]

He looks a good solid 8 in tests but was truly awful yesterday. Maybe he was trying too hard but he looked like a rabbit in the headlights

 

[ARK Rafay]

Am I missing something here? Does Faheem bat at middle order in Test matches or even Domestic cricket?

 

[Savak]

Faheem can't handle the pressure of quick runs. He needs time in the middle before he can start playing his shots.

 

[Nasty Naz]

Because he is not good enough? He is not anything better than a 7-8 guy and there is nothing wrong with that.

Woakes, who is a better batsmen than Faheem bats at 7/8 for England as does Curran. It's called having depth in a lineup and every good batting lineup needs it.

 

[moghul]

Faheem averages 40 in test cricket. He is a test class batsman who has scored crucial runs against top attacks in tough conditions. I will say he is among the best batsmen in Pakistan these days.

It is shocking that management is still persisting with him at 8 in ODIs where he has been a failure. He is simply not a slogger or power hitter that they are perceiving him to be. He is a proper batsman who at best can score at 110 sr.

We played duds in Danish and Asif at 5,6. Faheem should occupy one of those positions (ideally 5). The fact that he can give us 10 economical overs is a bonus.

We are severely underutilizing Rana ji's potential and its baffling that management can't see it.

Faheem just started making some runs lately , prior to NZ tour he was a failure in batting , with almost all his innings were in single digits. let him prove himself better than# 8 batsman first and then ask for it.

 

[hitthestump]

Am I missing something here? Does Faheem bat at middle order in Test matches or even Domestic cricket?

He's played a couple of good test innings so now pp'ers will soon be questioning why he isn't opening the batting.

 

[Jonty]

Tbh i am more concerned with his drop in pace

 

[Amjid Javed]

He struggling to pick gaps in odis with field spread and has done nothing of note with bat in LOI games. Just because you play some big hits in tests doesnt mean ul do same in ODIs. He should be batting no higher then number 8.

 

[shamaan]

He should continue to bat down the other 7/8 and use as a pinch hitter

 

[BreadPakoda]

Again scores around his career and domestic LOI average.

 

[Greenstorm]

Disappointing.

 

[Mamoon]

Form is temporary but lack of class is permanent.

 

[asadee]

Batted really well today

 

[Saj]

Credit where it's due, he batted really well today.

Always looks better when he is looking to hit straight down the ground.

Clean striker when on song.

 

[UsmanhailsAfridi]

Credit where it's due, he batted really well today.

Always looks better when he is looking to hit straight down the ground.

Clean striker when on song.

You are wrong in this case. The more we ask him to bat in these 200SR situations the more we do disservice to him. He needs to bat up. No lower than 6 in limited overs

 

[asadee]

Yes he should be swapped with Nawaz

 

[Zaz]

You are wrong in this case. The more we ask him to bat in these 200SR situations the more we do disservice to him. He needs to bat up. No lower than 6 in limited overs

He needs to show some extended form for that

Most teams would play a solid 25 avging batsman in that position

Is faheem capable of that Not on what hes shown us so far in his limited overs career

If he can he ll duely get a promotion in the order

 

[moghul]

Commie was saying Faheem has some back problem for sometimes now , hence he has cut down his pace significantly . If he is unfit, why some other fit players like Amad Butt are not tried, why he to play if not fit ?

A less than 100% fit Faheem , does not deserve to be in the team. We don;t want another Harris Sohail in the team.

Bats at # 8 and bowled only 2 overs, what exactly is his role in the team ?

 

[Nasty Naz]

You are wrong in this case. The more we ask him to bat in these 200SR situations the more we do disservice to him. He needs to bat up. No lower than 6 in limited overs

How about having him prove he can actually do it in domestic because his List A track record is extremely poor.

He is not Stokes, let's stop pretending like he is. He is not even Woakes, he should bat any higher than 7/8 at most in LOI. As a slogger, he may do just fine but he is not anything more than that.

 

[RajBan]

Credit where it's due, he batted really well today.

Always looks better when he is looking to hit straight down the ground.

Clean striker when on song.

True. Rizwan played really well, but for me that quick 30 by Faheem ensured RRR remains within reasonable limits and allowed Rizwan to wait and launch the attack in the final overs.