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Why is India producing better quality power hitters/batters than Pakistan?

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What is the reason?

Is it coaching difference at grassroots level that teaches then power hitting and what are the facilities differences between Pakistan and India?

Are they being developed at grassroots level, or they develop their power hitting after u19?”

We know about india school cricketing system, is it the difference?
 
Clarity.

Hunger.

They have asurety that this is the brand that will be selected, and no backsliding by statspadders and selfish players.
What about coaches at grassroot level? They must be competent to teach youngsters power hitting
 
India have more tullas like Pandya, Sharma etc because they are encouraged to play that way on ultra flat tracks and 50m boundaries.
This is one of reason why Pakistan cricket fallen so behind from Indian cricket . Some of Pakistan fans are most delusional in world cricket .

Are bhai jago Pakistan is brink of minnow in all formats .

:kp
 
There are numerous cricket academies and Coaching facilities that Focus on developing batting techniques and power hitting . Without batting techniques you can't hit six regularly .

:kp
 
There are numerous cricket academies and Coaching facilities that Focus on developing batting techniques and power hitting . Without batting techniques you can't hit six regularly .

:kp
I guess guys like Karun Nair have developed power hitting in their later career?
 
Don't think any Indian can hit like Farhan. That's brute strength bro. Incredible.
 
Better physical development
Physically Stronger especially people from punjab, Tamil Nadu, andhra, haryana and also places like bihar have some really strong people there
Better fitness training
I done think being physcially stronger is the reason. Look at saim ayub, sai sudharshan, both are physically weak.
 
To be honest, its mostly a mindset thing. Ultimately, it falls down on player what type of player he wants to be. Blaming coaches/ country/board etc are just excuses. Karun Nair wasn't a power hitter. He got kicked out from IPL, so he worked on his powerhitting skills and now made a comeback. Pak had Imran Nazir/Afridi when T20 wasn't even a thing.Just imagine him being at his prime right now. Dropping Babar and Rizwan from T20 was a good decision because they genuinely don't believe they need to improve. They still haven't admitted that they don't have game to be an opener in T20s despite losing to USA etc.
 
Different mindsets and more competitive environments are the biggest factors.

Although the OP made a direct comparison between Pakistan and India the reality is that Pakistan is far behind most countries in world cricket when it comes to power hitting - even Scotland.
 
Diet. Indian athletes have actual nutritionists, eat their greens, lean meats, and train like pros. Meanwhile, across the border, it’s a red meat festival cooked in banaspati masquerading as ghee, washed down with liters of Coke. If they were Mongolians or Eskimos, sure, that diet might make evolutionary sense. But as desis? It’s a metabolic mismatch. No wonder Pakistan's becoming the diabetes capital — Azam Khan didn’t end up like that by accident, and Umar Akmal puts on weight just by breathing near food
 
Diet. Indian athletes have actual nutritionists, eat their greens, lean meats, and train like pros. Meanwhile, across the border, it’s a red meat festival cooked in banaspati masquerading as ghee, washed down with liters of Coke. If they were Mongolians or Eskimos, sure, that diet might make evolutionary sense. But as desis? It’s a metabolic mismatch. No wonder Pakistan's becoming the diabetes capital — Azam Khan didn’t end up like that by accident, and Umar Akmal puts on weight just by breathing near food
At which stage of their career do Indian players get nutritionists?

Sure, they might have them in international cricket, but the power-hitting culture is developed before that.
 
Indian Diet is little better than Pakistani Diet at the moment.

Pakistani eat spicier food than Indians. Especially spices of SHAN and LAZIZA and NATIONAL brands etc. are very bad for health. India also has such brands, but they are not as bad as Pakistani one are.

Pakistani use a lot of seed oils now-a-days. However, Indian population is using a lot more ghee and butter as compared to Pakistani people as they can afford it.

Secondly, Indians are playing a lot more high quality cricket than Pakistanis due to IPL. Indian batters developed their hitting skills through it, just like Salman Ali Agha also developed it.

Thirdly, Indian coaches and infrastructure at school level is also helping them.

However, TALENT is mainly connected with HEALTH.

Just look at New Zealand. A small island, but a lot of Talent. It is due to their HEALTH, and health is directly related to DIET.

New Zealand has grass fed high quality meat and good quality salads etc.
 
At which stage of their career do Indian players get nutritionists?

Sure, they might have them in international cricket, but the power-hitting culture is developed before that.
Fair question — but here’s the difference: Indian domestic systems have evolved massively. Even at U-19 and state levels, players now have access to certified trainers, structured diets, and exposure to world-class fitness culture, thanks to the BCCI’s money and planning. Power-hitting isn't just about gym time — it’s also about body composition, endurance, and recovery, which all come from proper nutrition and conditioning early on.

Meanwhile, in Pakistan, many players are still coming up eating nihari for breakfast and thinking Coke is a recovery drink. If you’re developing bad habits before hitting the big leagues, it only gets worse under pressure. That’s how you get players with raw talent but zero gas after 10 overs — or worse, Azam Khan diving like he’s landing on a memory foam mattress.
 
India have more tullas like Pandya, Sharma etc because they are encouraged to play that way on ultra flat tracks and 50m boundaries.
I agree ,having Sir Babar and Sir Rizwan is a royal luxery
Nothing comes close,we are ordinary people get overly happy after watching these Sharmas,Aryas,Sai's,Jaiswals and others etc
 
I done think being physcially stronger is the reason. Look at saim ayub, sai sudharshan, both are physically weak.
Physical strength helps ( Andre Russel , Mitch Marsh ) but in case of Indians - its mostly timing & technique. Rinku SIngh, Priyansh, Karun Nair, Tilak Verma, SKY are not really big hunks with massive forearms & biceps !

I think youngsters saw big hitters like ABD, Gayle, Andre Russel, Yusuf Pathan land big IPL contracts and followed in their footsteps
 
There are many others who are sitting on the dug out
And the ever improvement comes from the needle contest between these guys to get into these xis let alone national side
 
At which stage of their career do Indian players get nutritionists?

Sure, they might have them in international cricket, but the power-hitting culture is developed before that.
Most of these youngsters follow Kohli, Hrithik, Neeraj Chopra or gym influencers like Guru Mann / Yatinder Singh / Sangram Chougule and watch their youtube videos /podcasts on diet / fitness and have fair idea of what to eat or what not to - even without a nutritionist

There is a massive fitness revolution unfolding in India over the last decade. Gyms sprouting everywhere, breakfasts changing from aloo paratha / chole bhature to oats & egg whites and protein maxxing on lunch / dinner. That's why most of Indian cricketers ( except for Rohit ) are gym regulars

Its a huge cultural change happening right now across India. I grew up eating dal roti sabzi - now my lunch / dinner is meat & salads
 
Most of these youngsters follow Kohli, Hrithik, Neeraj Chopra or gym influencers like Guru Mann / Yatinder Singh / Sangram Chougule and watch their youtube videos /podcasts on diet / fitness and have fair idea of what to eat or what not to - even without a nutritionist

There is a massive fitness revolution unfolding in India over the last decade. Gyms sprouting everywhere, breakfasts changing from aloo paratha / chole bhature to oats & egg whites and protein maxxing on lunch / dinner. That's why most of Indian cricketers ( except for Rohit ) are gym regulars

Its a huge cultural change happening right now across India. I grew up eating dal roti sabzi - now my lunch / dinner is meat & salads
Spot on
 
Diet is important factor .

Apart from that , the right players are chosen for right format. Those batsmen are not afraid to play shots because they are given proper free run. Moreover proper hitting technique is involved , not blind slogging.

BCCI , team management , captain , players are on the same page with same theology . The values remain the same even when management changes. No toxic former players speaking nonsense.
 
Diet is important factor .

Apart from that , the right players are chosen for right format. Those batsmen are not afraid to play shots because they are given proper free run. Moreover proper hitting technique is involved , not blind slogging.

BCCI , team management , captain , players are on the same page with same theology . The values remain the same even when management changes. No toxic former players speaking nonsense.
Not just an important factor my friend, diet is the single most important factor. As the old saying goes: “You are what you eat.” That’s not just poetic — it’s biological. Every cell in your body is built from the nutrients you consume. Proteins rebuild muscle, fats regulate hormones, and carbohydrates fuel movement. So if you’re feeding your body junk, that’s exactly what you’re building with — and it shows. On the flip side, when you fuel yourself with clean, nutrient-dense food, you’re setting the stage for peak performance.

Plus Athletes aren't just physical machines — their mental game is just as crucial. Diet directly affects cognitive function, focus, and emotional stability. Omega-3s support brain health. Stable blood sugar from quality carbs keeps your mood and energy consistent. Hydration sharpens your reaction time and clarity. You can’t expect mental sharpness if your body is running on low-grade fuel.
 
Some of the takes here are quite archaic and pedestrian. The answer is simple. When you come out of strong system your basics are stronger than a player who comes out of a weaker system. Talent can only take you so far, ultimately skill and mental toughness separate the best from the rest. The pressure in an IPL match, watched by all of India and featuring all the best international players in the world is far greater than it is in the PSL. Quaity of cricket also higher

The Indian domestic system has also rapidly come one of the best and strongest in the world. The standards of coaching, training, fitness etc. have all gone up as a result. Even Indian domestic players are paid fairly well when you compare them to Pak domestic player. This incentivizes them to even take FC cricket seriously.

Diet is the funniest take of all. Do you guys think Pakistani players are being fed grass lol? Good diet also co-relates to being part of a better system. When you are trying to live up to those high standards you diet along with your fitness, training etc improves too.
 
The difference is IPL’s life changing money on offer.

Charles Barkley, ex NBA legend and current TV analyst once famously said that if they paid as much money back in the day in the NBA he wouldn’t just be fit as hell but damn near anorexic probably.

You have fathers taking their kids to academies as early as 8-10 year old. A lot of practice and hard work has happened behind the scenes with all these players. In a nation of 1.5 billion people you don’t just shine through just like that. These kids went past a crazy level of competition before even earning themselves an IPL cap.
 
Some of the takes here are quite archaic and pedestrian. The answer is simple. When you come out of strong system your basics are stronger than a player who comes out of a weaker system. Talent can only take you so far, ultimately skill and mental toughness separate the best from the rest. The pressure in an IPL match, watched by all of India and featuring all the best international players in the world is far greater than it is in the PSL. Quaity of cricket also higher

The Indian domestic system has also rapidly come one of the best and strongest in the world. The standards of coaching, training, fitness etc. have all gone up as a result. Even Indian domestic players are paid fairly well when you compare them to Pak domestic player. This incentivizes them to even take FC cricket seriously.

Diet is the funniest take of all. Do you guys think Pakistani players are being fed grass lol? Good diet also co-relates to being part of a better system. When you are trying to live up to those high standards you diet along with your fitness, training etc improves too.
Agree expect bolded part. Diet is Play Major roles these days .It directly impacts their energy levels, muscle recovery, and overall performance.

Diet is entirely depends on individual player's so its not a fault of system or anything else .

:kp
 
People keep looking at the IPL as the reason for India's success. But the reality is that IPL simply gives young players a spotlight and a chance to be a star infront of millions.

Players are made in Ranji Trophy, SMAT, Vijay Hazare Trophy, Duleep Trophy and all these competitions. Just getting to the IPL can sometimes take seasons of hardwork across competitions. Any young player is competing with such a massive talent pool just to get a chance to play in the IPL.

If you are not on your A-game you will be forgotten in the blink of an eye. Because there is no shortage of talented players who want to make it big.
 
People keep looking at the IPL as the reason for India's success. But the reality is that IPL simply gives young players a spotlight and a chance to be a star infront of millions.

Players are made in Ranji Trophy, SMAT, Vijay Hazare Trophy, Duleep Trophy and all these competitions. Just getting to the IPL can sometimes take seasons of hardwork across competitions. Any young player is competing with such a massive talent pool just to get a chance to play in the IPL.

If you are not on your A-game you will be forgotten in the blink of an eye. Because there is no shortage of talented players who want to make it big.
This is correct. Almost all the new talents were picked from other lower level leagues or first class. Not from streets. IPL is mainly for exposure.
 
Agree expect bolded part. Diet is Play Major roles these days .It directly impacts their energy levels, muscle recovery, and overall performance.

Diet is entirely depends on individual player's so its not a fault of system or anything else .

:kp
Alot of people here are painting the picture that Pakistani cricketers are alive on grass and air. There are quite a few Pakistani players who have an excellent standard of fitness. It's an issue no doubt, but not the biggest issue. You can still succeed by having decent fitness and not being at Kohli level. Pak players biggest problem has always been mental.
 
Some of the takes here are quite archaic and pedestrian. The answer is simple. When you come out of strong system your basics are stronger than a player who comes out of a weaker system. Talent can only take you so far, ultimately skill and mental toughness separate the best from the rest. The pressure in an IPL match, watched by all of India and featuring all the best international players in the world is far greater than it is in the PSL. Quaity of cricket also higher

The Indian domestic system has also rapidly come one of the best and strongest in the world. The standards of coaching, training, fitness etc. have all gone up as a result. Even Indian domestic players are paid fairly well when you compare them to Pak domestic player. This incentivizes them to even take FC cricket seriously.

Diet is the funniest take of all. Do you guys think Pakistani players are being fed grass lol? Good diet also co-relates to being part of a better system. When you are trying to live up to those high standards you diet along with your fitness, training etc improves too.

Let’s be clear: Nobody is suggesting Pakistani players are being “fed grass.” That’s a lazy deflection. The real point is this — diet is a high-performance tool, not a luxury or a joke. We're in an era where the tiniest 1% differences in recovery, endurance, and mental clarity separate elite athletes from the rest. Nutrition is part of that edge.
Diet Is an Individual Discipline — Not Just a System Perk. Kohli’s transformation wasn’t handed to him by the Indian system. The BCCI didn’t ban him from butter chicken. He made a personal choice. He committed to plant-based nutrition, low body fat, and relentless discipline before it was fashionable — and guess what? That changed the conversation about fitness in Indian cricket.

Similarly, Babar Azam, Umar Akmals aren’t bound by “the system” to eat nihari and paya. He can choose grilled salmon, lean turkey, quinoa, or anything else that fuels peak performance — just like any athlete serious about longevity. No one’s stopping any Pakistani player from eating clean — except maybe habit, or lack of awareness.
 
Alot of people here are painting the picture that Pakistani cricketers are alive on grass and air. There are quite a few Pakistani players who have an excellent standard of fitness. It's an issue no doubt, but not the biggest issue. You can still succeed by having decent fitness and not being at Kohli level. Pak players biggest problem has always been mental.
Kohli fitness standard set a example for future generations and they are following him . prithvi shaw was a bright latent and future prospects for india but he was so lazy that his career is almost finished .

Look at overweight shaw . He once was rated next SRT but he was himself to blamed for his own downfall.

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Let’s be clear: Nobody is suggesting Pakistani players are being “fed grass.” That’s a lazy deflection. The real point is this — diet is a high-performance tool, not a luxury or a joke. We're in an era where the tiniest 1% differences in recovery, endurance, and mental clarity separate elite athletes from the rest. Nutrition is part of that edge.
Diet Is an Individual Discipline — Not Just a System Perk. Kohli’s transformation wasn’t handed to him by the Indian system. The BCCI didn’t ban him from butter chicken. He made a personal choice. He committed to plant-based nutrition, low body fat, and relentless discipline before it was fashionable — and guess what? That changed the conversation about fitness in Indian cricket.

Similarly, Babar Azam, Umar Akmals aren’t bound by “the system” to eat nihari and paya. He can choose grilled salmon, lean turkey, quinoa, or anything else that fuels peak performance — just like any athlete serious about longevity. No one’s stopping any Pakistani player from eating clean — except maybe habit, or lack of awareness.
At the end of the day, the simple fact is this. Even if Pakistani players had a pristine level of fitness, their results in the last few years wouldn't have been too different. They didn't lose those big matches in ICC tournaments because of their fitness, they lost them because they cracked under pressure. New Zealand have always had some of the best standards of fitness and fielding in world cricket. They were still a mediocre side from 2008 to when McCullum took over.

Diet is a part of the problem. But it is not the biggest problem as so many are painting it to be. At the end of the day, this is cricket. Not MMA or boxing where training and diet is 90%+ of the job.
 
Kohli fitness standard set a example for future generations and they are following him . prithvi shaw was a bright latent and future prospects for india but he was so lazy that his career is almost finished .

Look at overweight shaw . He once was rated next SRT but he was himself to blamed for his own downfall.

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Let’s be clear: Nobody is suggesting Pakistani players are being “fed grass.” That’s a lazy deflection. The real point is this — diet is a high-performance tool, not a luxury or a joke. We're in an era where the tiniest 1% differences in recovery, endurance, and mental clarity separate elite athletes from the rest. Nutrition is part of that edge.
Diet Is an Individual Discipline — Not Just a System Perk. Kohli’s transformation wasn’t handed to him by the Indian system. The BCCI didn’t ban him from butter chicken. He made a personal choice. He committed to plant-based nutrition, low body fat, and relentless discipline before it was fashionable — and guess what? That changed the conversation about fitness in Indian cricket.

Similarly, Babar Azam, Umar Akmals aren’t bound by “the system” to eat nihari and paya. He can choose grilled salmon, lean turkey, quinoa, or anything else that fuels peak performance — just like any athlete serious about longevity. No one’s stopping any Pakistani player from eating clean — except maybe habit, or lack of awareness.
At the end of the day, the simple fact is this. Even if Pakistani players had a pristine level of fitness, their results in the last few years wouldn't have been too different. They didn't lose those big matches in ICC tournaments because of their fitness, they lost them because they cracked under pressure. New Zealand have always had some of the best standards of fitness and fielding in world cricket. They were still a mediocre side from 2008 to when McCullum took over.

Diet is a part of the problem. But it is not the biggest problem as so many are painting it to be. At the end of the day, this is cricket, not MMA or boxing where training and diet is 90%+ of the job.
 
Power hitting is a science. Indian players know which muscle groups to train to optimize strength and which power hitting batting techniques to practice day in day out to get better at hitting the ball harder. IPL has done wonders for our cricket and sadly we haven't used the PSL the same way.
 
At the end of the day, the simple fact is this. Even if Pakistani players had a pristine level of fitness, their results in the last few years wouldn't have been too different. They didn't lose those big matches in ICC tournaments because of their fitness, they lost them because they cracked under pressure. New Zealand have always had some of the best standards of fitness and fielding in world cricket. They were still a mediocre side from 2008 to when McCullum took over.

Diet is a part of the problem. But it is not the biggest problem as so many are painting it to be. At the end of the day, this is cricket, not MMA or boxing where training and diet is 90%+ of the job.
That’s a bold assumption — and it ignores the margins that define elite sport. Cricket is increasingly a game of fine margins — milliseconds in the field, an extra yard of pace in the 49th over, sharper reflexes under pressure. Fitness isn’t a side quest anymore — it’s integral to execution.

You say Pakistan lost big ICC matches only due to pressure, not fitness? Let’s rewind:
  • 2021 T20 World Cup semifinal vs Australia: Hassan Ali drops Wade at a crucial moment — fitness equals focus, and lapses happen when fatigue sets in. A sharper, more alert player might take that.
  • 2022 T20 World Cup final vs England: Pakistan were superb with the ball, but couldn’t chase 138. Pressure, yes — but also lack of power-hitting depth and conditioning that shows up in those crunch moments.
  • Fielding errors under pressure have been a consistent theme. And what does elite fielding demand? Not just skill — explosiveness, stamina, mental clarity, all of which trace back to fitness and, yes, diet.
New Zealand had a lean run from 2008–2012, but to say they were mediocre despite good fitness misses the point. Fitness doesn’t guarantee success — but lack of it guarantees underperformance. Once McCullum took over, yes, mindset shifted — but so did culture, professionalism, and yes, training and conditioning. Under Gary Stead and Kane Williamson, they’ve become one of the most consistent sides across formats — and their fitness and fielding still set them apart.

Lastly, Comparing cricket to MMA or boxing to downplay the role of fitness is, honestly, ridiculous. We get it — MMA and boxing are brutally intense, full-contact sports with insane physical demands. But to say “cricket isn’t like that, so diet and fitness aren’t that important” is a painfully shallow take. That’s like saying “swimming isn’t MMA either — so is Michael Phelps less fit than Tom Aspinall?” Completely different disciplines, both demanding peak fitness — just in different forms.

Cricket isn’t about short bursts of violence like MMA. It’s about sustained physical and mental endurance
  • A fast bowler covers 20+ kilometers over a Test match, and delivers 140+ km/h balls on Day 5.
  • A T20 fielder like Glenn Phillips or Ravindra needs to sprint, dive, recover every few balls — for 3-4 hours straight.
  • A top-order batter might bat 50 overs in sweltering heat. That’s cardio + core strength + mental focus — all fed by fitness and diet.
And even in T20s, which people assume are “short,” the level of explosiveness, recovery, and agility required is incredible. Watch the way players like Hardik Pandya, Glenn Phillips, or Jadeja move — that isn’t happening on bad fuel and weekend-level fitness.
 
That’s a bold assumption — and it ignores the margins that define elite sport. Cricket is increasingly a game of fine margins — milliseconds in the field, an extra yard of pace in the 49th over, sharper reflexes under pressure. Fitness isn’t a side quest anymore — it’s integral to execution.

You say Pakistan lost big ICC matches only due to pressure, not fitness? Let’s rewind:
  • 2021 T20 World Cup semifinal vs Australia: Hassan Ali drops Wade at a crucial moment — fitness equals focus, and lapses happen when fatigue sets in. A sharper, more alert player might take that.
  • 2022 T20 World Cup final vs England: Pakistan were superb with the ball, but couldn’t chase 138. Pressure, yes — but also lack of power-hitting depth and conditioning that shows up in those crunch moments.
  • Fielding errors under pressure have been a consistent theme. And what does elite fielding demand? Not just skill — explosiveness, stamina, mental clarity, all of which trace back to fitness and, yes, diet.
New Zealand had a lean run from 2008–2012, but to say they were mediocre despite good fitness misses the point. Fitness doesn’t guarantee success — but lack of it guarantees underperformance. Once McCullum took over, yes, mindset shifted — but so did culture, professionalism, and yes, training and conditioning. Under Gary Stead and Kane Williamson, they’ve become one of the most consistent sides across formats — and their fitness and fielding still set them apart.

Lastly, Comparing cricket to MMA or boxing to downplay the role of fitness is, honestly, ridiculous. We get it — MMA and boxing are brutally intense, full-contact sports with insane physical demands. But to say “cricket isn’t like that, so diet and fitness aren’t that important” is a painfully shallow take. That’s like saying “swimming isn’t MMA either — so is Michael Phelps less fit than Tom Aspinall?” Completely different disciplines, both demanding peak fitness — just in different forms.

Cricket isn’t about short bursts of violence like MMA. It’s about sustained physical and mental endurance
  • A fast bowler covers 20+ kilometers over a Test match, and delivers 140+ km/h balls on Day 5.
  • A T20 fielder like Glenn Phillips or Ravindra needs to sprint, dive, recover every few balls — for 3-4 hours straight.
  • A top-order batter might bat 50 overs in sweltering heat. That’s cardio + core strength + mental focus — all fed by fitness and diet.
And even in T20s, which people assume are “short,” the level of explosiveness, recovery, and agility required is incredible. Watch the way players like Hardik Pandya, Glenn Phillips, or Jadeja move — that isn’t happening on bad fuel and weekend-level fitness.
You gave two examples. One I can very easily challenge, the other one you are completely wrong on. Hasan Ali got to the ball in the 2021 WC SF. He cracked under the pressure and couldn't hold on to it which reinforces my point that the biggest problem is lack of mental toughness. In the 2022 WC Final Pakistan batted first, they did not chase. But in the batting they cracked yet again, failed to make use of the powerplay and were playing catch-up throughout.

Never said fitness is not important. But it is NOT the most important. There are other factors like mental toughness that are more important. Someone like Rohit Sharma is living proof that you can succeed despite having a poor level of fitness, let alone average or okay level. As are players like Inzamam and Ranatunga. Cricket as a sport cannot be compared to other sports like combat sports, football, American football, Basketball, where everyone has to be at peak physical level.

Also you response feels very ChatGPT. Possibly why you gave that erroneous 2022 WT20 example.
 
You gave two examples. One I can very easily challenge, the other one you are completely wrong on. Hasan Ali got to the ball in the 2021 WC SF. He cracked under the pressure and couldn't hold on to it which reinforces my point that the biggest problem is lack of mental toughness. In the 2022 WC Final Pakistan batted first, they did not chase. But in the batting they cracked yet again, failed to make use of the powerplay and were playing catch-up throughout.

Never said fitness is not important. But it is NOT the most important. There are other factors like mental toughness that are more important. Someone like Rohit Sharma is living proof that you can succeed despite having a poor level of fitness, let alone average or okay level. As are players like Inzamam and Ranatunga. Cricket as a sport cannot be compared to other sports like combat sports, football, American football, Basketball, where everyone has to be at peak physical level.

Also you response feels very ChatGPT. Possibly why you gave that erroneous 2022 WT20 example.
Buddy, I am a clinical dietitian. I know what I am talking about. Mental and physical fitness aren’t isolated — they’re deeply connected. Try being mentally sharp when your body is drained. I work with athletes (maybe not exactly elite but athletes nonetheless) for a living — clarity under pressure depends on how well-conditioned you are, especially in the final overs of a high-stakes match. You keep trying to pit fitness vs. mental strength, when the truth is: they feed each other. A strong body enables a strong mind. A fit player has higher endurance, clearer thinking under pressure, and better consistency.

Also, Rohit Sharma isn't the poster boy for fitness visually lol, but to say he’s not fit is flat-out wrong. His batting stamina, reflexes, and movement are elite for his role. Daniel Cormier was the 2 division champ in UFC, would you call him fat and unfit as well based on how he looked? And bringing Inzamam or Ranatunga? I mean, come on my man. The game’s changed drastically since then.

Lastly, I am not a stats and spreadsheet guy. I was wrong On the 2022 WC Final. But my point still stands: the team struggled under pressure, failed to capitalize on the powerplay, and crumbled in the back end. You call it mental weakness. Fair. But what supports mental resilience? Preparation, conditioning, recovery — all physical pillars.
 
You gave two examples. One I can very easily challenge, the other one you are completely wrong on. Hasan Ali got to the ball in the 2021 WC SF. He cracked under the pressure and couldn't hold on to it which reinforces my point that the biggest problem is lack of mental toughness. In the 2022 WC Final Pakistan batted first, they did not chase. But in the batting they cracked yet again, failed to make use of the powerplay and were playing catch-up throughout.

Never said fitness is not important. But it is NOT the most important. There are other factors like mental toughness that are more important. Someone like Rohit Sharma is living proof that you can succeed despite having a poor level of fitness, let alone average or okay level. As are players like Inzamam and Ranatunga. Cricket as a sport cannot be compared to other sports like combat sports, football, American football, Basketball, where everyone has to be at peak physical level.

Also you response feels very ChatGPT. Possibly why you gave that erroneous 2022 WT20 example.
Bro being white honest our players seem to
Buddy, I am a clinical dietitian. I know what I am talking about. Mental and physical fitness aren’t isolated — they’re deeply connected. Try being mentally sharp when your body is drained. I work with athletes (maybe not exactly elite but athletes nonetheless) for a living — clarity under pressure depends on how well-conditioned you are, especially in the final overs of a high-stakes match. You keep trying to pit fitness vs. mental strength, when the truth is: they feed each other. A strong body enables a strong mind. A fit player has higher endurance, clearer thinking under pressure, and better consistency.

Also, Rohit Sharma isn't the poster boy for fitness visually lol, but to say he’s not fit is flat-out wrong. His batting stamina, reflexes, and movement are elite for his role. Daniel Cormier was the 2 division champ in UFC, would you call him fat and unfit as well based on how he looked? And bringing Inzamam or Ranatunga? I mean, come on my man. The game’s changed drastically since then.

Lastly, I am not a stats and spreadsheet guy. I was wrong On the 2022 WC Final. But my point still stands: the team struggled under pressure, failed to capitalize on the powerplay, and crumbled in the back end. You call it mental weakness. Fair. But what supports mental resilience? Preparation, conditioning, recovery — all physical pillars.
You make some very good points in this thread In addition we can't really expect a player to have mental strength to deal with a high pressure situation if they don't have the mental fortitude to say no to unhealthy but tasty food.

Even if PCB cant recreate the Indian fitness culture at junior levels they must at the very least enforce some basic nutritionists with the national team.

How hard would it be to have some personal chefs on tour and strict diet plans for each players? In my opinion not very.
 
India's bounce is 47 and Pakistan's 33.
((47-33)/33) * 100 = (14/33)*100 = 42%
This is also another reason for Pakistan decline. Less education where we can see an adult cannot do simple maths.. I mean this kind of thing kids in India do in their heads.

So low level of education, but religious fanaticism from the likes of Rizwan which drips down to younger players coming in the team. Intellectual dishonesty and no respect for scientific details in sports. That's why the delusional thinking that things will happen because Pakistani players will always get some divine help.
 
India have more tullas like Pandya, Sharma etc because they are encouraged to play that way on ultra flat tracks and 50m boundaries.
How many 220+ score has been made this PSL? Just because the hitting is being done by overseas players who were rejected by their country, doesn't mean PSL has not been high scoring
 
One of they key reason is India has the most varied pitch conditions in the world due to the fact they have large number of stadiums each having multiple pitches. Red soil pitch, black soil pitch, mixture of red/black soil pitch. Then high altitude ground. Bouncy wicket, low bounce wicket. Only thing they cannot consistently simulate is English conditions. Otherwise bounce is no problem. That is the reason why India keeps churning out players who are expert in pull shots and hook shots. If someone is weak he can easily be identified.
 
What is the reason?

Is it coaching difference at grassroots level that teaches then power hitting and what are the facilities differences between Pakistan and India?

Are they being developed at grassroots level, or they develop their power hitting after u19?”

We know about india school cricketing system, is it the difference?
Maybe they should stop giving hair dryers.
 
Alot of people here are painting the picture that Pakistani cricketers are alive on grass and air. There are quite a few Pakistani players who have an excellent standard of fitness. It's an issue no doubt, but not the biggest issue. You can still succeed by having decent fitness and not being at Kohli level. Pak players biggest problem has always been mental.
The issue is not fitness per se. But fitness is often a proxy for the work ethic & dedications. As in players focused on fitness are also generally more hard working & train longer hours. Same way less fit players tend to have less work ethic & dedication

I mean not every player has insane fitness routine like Kohli. BUt if u notice most SENA players look much more fit & athletics compared to Pakistan players - that's bcoz they spend longer hours training on the ground.

I get a feeling that Pakistan players don't have that work ethic. They probably train less hours than say SENA or Indian players. I mean Babar Azam or Naseem Shah wont have protruding tummies if they were training long hours like Bumrah or Cummins !
 
Pakistan are still stuck in 90s method of trying to hit the ball hard but Indians have adapted to modern ways of getting the elevation and creating an arc
 
Better physical development
Physically Stronger especially people from punjab, Tamil Nadu, andhra, haryana and also places like bihar have some really strong people there
Better fitness training
Lol, Pakistanis from Pakhtun origin are far stronger than anyone from Bihar or TN
 
At which stage of their career do Indian players get nutritionists?

Sure, they might have them in international cricket, but the power-hitting culture is developed before that.
My 15 year old cousin trains and plays for U16 state level. He has been on strict diet given by nutritionists since last 3 years. Cricket is a serious business in India. When money is involved, professionalism comes by default.
 
Bigger country, more talent, more money, Less corruption(corruption exists but not as much), and the most hunger for the sport supported by a 1.4B population while even more developed countries such as Australia treat Cricket as a side hobby as it is not their main focus or national sport.
 
Lol, Pakistanis from Pakhtun origin are far stronger than anyone from Bihar or TN
Then you haven’t seen rural bihar or TN. Plenty of umesh yadav type strong people out there. Not talking about city life Chennai people. Go to rural village and you will see how many strong guys there are.

You will see grandpas lifting 70 kilo over their head like it’s nothing. And that is without even weight lifting training or any other nonsense.

Bihar have plenty of sinewy lean strong guys in rural areas. TN rural guys are much bigger in size though
 
The issue is not fitness per se. But fitness is often a proxy for the work ethic & dedications. As in players focused on fitness are also generally more hard working & train longer hours. Same way less fit players tend to have less work ethic & dedication

I mean not every player has insane fitness routine like Kohli. BUt if u notice most SENA players look much more fit & athletics compared to Pakistan players - that's bcoz they spend longer hours training on the ground.

I get a feeling that Pakistan players don't have that work ethic. They probably train less hours than say SENA or Indian players. I mean Babar Azam or Naseem Shah wont have protruding tummies if they were training long hours like Bumrah or Cummins !
The weird thing is that we have just had a generation of perhaps our fittest cricketers. Misbah, Younis Khan, Malik, Afridi would appear fit even today when put against the current players.

In the past Wasim, Waqar and even Shoaib took fitness seriously. Shoaibs view was perhaps a bit warped as there was maybe no need to pack on all of that muscle but he took his fitness seriously enough to do it.

So something has seriously changed in recent times.
 
Then you haven’t seen rural bihar or TN. Plenty of umesh yadav type strong people out there. Not talking about city life Chennai people. Go to rural village and you will see how many strong guys there are.

You will see grandpas lifting 70 kilo over their head like it’s nothing. And that is without even weight lifting training or any other nonsense.

Bihar have plenty of sinewy lean strong guys in rural areas. TN rural guys are much bigger in size though
Not Bihar though. Umesh Yadav is born & brought up in Nagpur

Height & strength are mostly function of diet & nutrition - which in turn is related to per capita income

India's per capita income is 2X of Pakistan. So obviously Indian kids will have better nutrition and hence on average be bigger & taller than average Pakistani ! U can see that with the younger generation of Indians in college - they are visibly taller than our generation by about 2-3 inches

SO yes states like Punjab, Haryana, Kerela , Tamil Nadu have on average better & more healthy kids. Not Bihar though. They are dirt poor
 
The weird thing is that we have just had a generation of perhaps our fittest cricketers. Misbah, Younis Khan, Malik, Afridi would appear fit even today when put against the current players.

In the past Wasim, Waqar and even Shoaib took fitness seriously. Shoaibs view was perhaps a bit warped as there was maybe no need to pack on all of that muscle but he took his fitness seriously enough to do it.

So something has seriously changed in recent times.
Wasim Waqar were fit by 90s standards. It was a different era. I have seen documentaries of 90s era and u can see Wasim Waqar eating pulao , biriyani and nihari. Those days even Australian cricketers wud gorge on baked beans and beer. Shane Warne used to have baked beans delivered for him specially. Flintoff loved curry and beer so much that at one point he weighed the same as Lennox Lewis ! Indians & Sri Lankans wud eat biriyani at lunch during test match. Roly poly cirkcetrs were common - like David Boon, Merv Hughes, Gatting, Brian Macmillan, Ranatunga , Inzamam. So any guy without a visibly protruding tummy wud be labelled as fit

Things changed a lot in the last 20 years. Now every team moved to strict fitness regimes. Except for Pakistan. They still eat biriyani !
 
Not Bihar though. Umesh Yadav is born & brought up in Nagpur

Height & strength are mostly function of diet & nutrition - which in turn is related to per capita income

India's per capita income is 2X of Pakistan. So obviously Indian kids will have better nutrition and hence on average be bigger & taller than average Pakistani ! U can see that with the younger generation of Indians in college - they are visibly taller than our generation by about 2-3 inches

SO yes states like Punjab, Haryana, Kerela , Tamil Nadu have on average better & more healthy kids. Not Bihar though. They are dirt poor
Come to my daughter’s school. Actually my daughter is freaking tall for her age. Although we are on the taller side in my family.

Kids and I mean Indian kids in Brisbane are freaking tall. Taller than Aussie kids on average in these schools. My little cousin is 6.2 at 14 now already. Although he is a skinny little pee wee though lol.
 
LET'S GET BACK TO CRICKET NOW PLEASE. LET'S LEAVE HEIGHT AND WEIGHT STUFF AND BIHAR STUFF FOR SOME OTHER THREAD
 
I respect the fact that Bharatiya posters have shown extreme sensibility in this thread by not trolling with vegetarian jokes and making SDE taunts at Pakistani cricketers. It shows that maturity and goodness of man still exists.
 
Come to my daughter’s school. Actually my daughter is freaking tall for her age. Although we are on the taller side in my family.

Kids and I mean Indian kids in Brisbane are freaking tall. Taller than Aussie kids on average in these schools. My little cousin is 6.2 at 14 now already. Although he is a skinny little pee wee though lol.
Yup. As Indians become richer, they will keep getting better in sports.
 
Come to my daughter’s school. Actually my daughter is freaking tall for her age. Although we are on the taller side in my family.

Kids and I mean Indian kids in Brisbane are freaking tall. Taller than Aussie kids on average in these schools. My little cousin is 6.2 at 14 now already. Although he is a skinny little pee wee though lol.
6'2 at 14? Also I'm moving to Gold Coast soon.
 
Better physical development
Physically Stronger especially people from punjab, Tamil Nadu, andhra, haryana and also places like bihar have some really strong people there
Better fitness training
If physical size was the most important factor then I would argue that the northern regions such as KP produce naturally bigger and stronger men than the rest of Pakistan and India.

Don't forget Punjab runs into Pakistan as well, in fact most Pakistani cricketers are from Punjab.

The problem is the lack of education/facilities at grass roots level, and lack of professionalism of PCB resulting in Pakistani players barely developing their skills after bursting on to the scene at a young age.

Under the Indian system, Shaheen would be nailed down as an ATG bowler.
 
If physical size was the most important factor then I would argue that the northern regions such as KP produce naturally bigger and stronger men than the rest of Pakistan and India.

Don't forget Punjab runs into Pakistan as well, in fact most Pakistani cricketers are from Punjab.

The problem is the lack of education/facilities at grass roots level, and lack of professionalism of PCB resulting in Pakistani players barely developing their skills after bursting on to the scene at a young age.

Under the Indian system, Shaheen would be nailed down as an ATG bowler.
Then you haven’t seen rural India in some of these states. There are absolute tanks who did hard manual work.
 
India is producing better quality hitters because India is producing better quality meat.

Pakistan is getting undone by the deeper than ocean and sweeter than honey Chinese meat.
:inti
 
I respect the fact that Bharatiya posters have shown extreme sensibility in this thread by not trolling with vegetarian jokes and making SDE taunts at Pakistani cricketers. It shows that maturity and goodness of man still exists.
I actually believe this " eating beef makes u better fast bolwer " is a big reason for decline of fast bowling in Pakistan. Bcoz Pakistan actually believed as long as they keep eating beef - they will keep producing fast bowlers while India will never do so bcoz they dont eat beef. The proponent of this : beef theory " was none other than Aquib Javed who has played a prominent role in coaching circles in Pakistan in the last decade ( Funny thing was Aquib Javed was not a particularly quick or strongly build - wonder how much beef he ate )

Last few years the performance of Bumrah, Shami, Ishant, Umesh, Asrhdeep and decline of Pakistani fast bowlers has caused a lot of soul searching in Pakistan cricketing circles. Finally Pakistanis are starting to realize its not beef but something else that produces cricketing success

On this forum there used to so many threads on " eating beef makes u strong " posts. Last 2-3 years those posts have disappeared !
 
Buddy, I am a clinical dietitian. I know what I am talking about. Mental and physical fitness aren’t isolated — they’re deeply connected. Try being mentally sharp when your body is drained. I work with athletes (maybe not exactly elite but athletes nonetheless) for a living — clarity under pressure depends on how well-conditioned you are, especially in the final overs of a high-stakes match. You keep trying to pit fitness vs. mental strength, when the truth is: they feed each other. A strong body enables a strong mind. A fit player has higher endurance, clearer thinking under pressure, and better consistency.

Also, Rohit Sharma isn't the poster boy for fitness visually lol, but to say he’s not fit is flat-out wrong. His batting stamina, reflexes, and movement are elite for his role. Daniel Cormier was the 2 division champ in UFC, would you call him fat and unfit as well based on how he looked? And bringing Inzamam or Ranatunga? I mean, come on my man. The game’s changed drastically since then.

Lastly, I am not a stats and spreadsheet guy. I was wrong On the 2022 WC Final. But my point still stands: the team struggled under pressure, failed to capitalize on the powerplay, and crumbled in the back end. You call it mental weakness. Fair. But what supports mental resilience? Preparation, conditioning, recovery — all physical pillars.
Good for you, I guess. I never denied physical fitness isn't one of the most important aspects, but it is not the most important thing. Don't feel the need to repeat everything I already said.
 
Good for you, I guess. I never denied physical fitness isn't one of the most important aspects, but it is not the most important thing. Don't feel the need to repeat everything I already said.
Likewise, it's getting tiresome and boring. Best if we just agree to disagree.
 
I may have been a bit too harsh on Pak players in this thread. Given the country's educated elite has zero understanding of sports science, one could hardly blame the players who mostly come from modest backgrounds.
 
Indian batsmen especially Mumbai, Karnataka players are usually technically very very sound due to sound coaching at a very age. Delhi , Pujnab players have more fire, juzbaa (Sehwag, Gambhir, Dhawan, Kohli, Yuvraj). Hyderabad players have a lot of flair (Jaisimha, Azharuddin, Laxman). There are some cultural difference in batting approach within India. TN players have some tough mentality.
 
Then you haven’t seen rural India in some of these states. There are absolute tanks who did hard manual work.
Again you're not making a point unique to India. Labourers exist all around the world and come in all shapes and sizes.
 
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