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Why Is Patriarchy Seen As A Bad Thing?

Nope. Another misinformed post.

Looks like you and Champ_Pal watched too many Bollywood movies.

Look at the deplorable percentage of working women percentages in Muslim countries from Wiki. This list does not include the backward societies of Bahrain, Qatar, Yemen etc.

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How Internalized Misogyny in Indian Culture Keeps Patriarchy Alive

https://aninjusticemag.com/patriarc...-well-all-thanks-to-indian-women-a6cddbf43e25



I just posted the link rather than paste a wall of text, but very relevant points raised as to how patriarchy is entrenched deeply in Indian culture.

Why do u bring up India. I don't see anyone here championing India when it comes to women rights. However better ranked than Pakistan which is third last from the bottom.
 
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Look at the deplorable percentage of working women percentages in Muslim countries from Wiki. This list does not include the backward societies of Bahrain, Qatar, Yemen etc.

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These indexes don't give full pictures. You are seeing this chart in a black and white manner.

Do all countries have similar environments and opportunities? Answer is no.

In short, these indexes are faulty. It doesn't take context into account.
 
These indexes don't give full pictures. You are seeing this chart in a black and white manner.

Do all countries have similar environments and opportunities? Answer is no.

In short, these indexes are faulty. It doesn't take context into account.


Man I don't need a chart even. I have eyes. I can see the difference. Other than Afghanistan/syria I have been to all those countries. Its there to see in plain site. When provided with evidence you say say its faulty. ALWAYS. You sound like Matt Walsh. Oh please provide the names of US military bases next to Russia when you have the time.
 
These indexes don't give full pictures. You are seeing this chart in a black and white manner.

Do all countries have similar environments and opportunities? Answer is no.

In short, these indexes are faulty. It doesn't take context into account.

All stats are faulty. Only you know the truth.

Benevolent patriarchy FTW!!
 
No they are not. You don't even needs the charts. Just open eyes to see the diffenrce
 
No they are not. You don't even needs the charts. Just open eyes to see the diffenrce

Each country has different culture and different situations. Women's rights may vary from culture to culture and that's perfectly okay.
 
I don't remember. I did that in 2009. I was 19 then.

I don't think I remembered or cared about what I was saying.

You have started a thread in which you say that the best model is men controlling women.

Then you told us that you were saving yourself until marriage.

Now you are telling us that you are 32 years old.

Has it crossed your mind that 32 year old male virgins are precisely the INCEL demographic? People who are angry about women’s sexual behaviour and who feel entitled to control women.

Until today I thought this thread was what happens when a devout follower of one religion tries to stick to his beliefs in a country where those beliefs are neither shared nor respected.

But now that you have disclosed how closely you fit the INCEL demographic, it seems more like your attitudes to women are influenced by that.
 
You have started a thread in which you say that the best model is men controlling women.

Then you told us that you were saving yourself until marriage.

Now you are telling us that you are 32 years old.

Has it crossed your mind that 32 year old male virgins are precisely the INCEL demographic? People who are angry about women’s sexual behaviour and who feel entitled to control women.

Until today I thought this thread was what happens when a devout follower of one religion tries to stick to his beliefs in a country where those beliefs are neither shared nor respected.

But now that you have disclosed how closely you fit the INCEL demographic, it seems more like your attitudes to women are influenced by that.

Not at all. I don't identify as an incel. My beliefs have nothing to do with my personal life.

You on the other hand support degenerate behavior like sleeping around unmarried.

The fact this thread has surpassed 800 posts is hilarious.
 
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Each country has different culture and different situations. Women's rights may vary from culture to culture and that's perfectly okay.

That is a completely unacceptable point of view. You could justify rape or murder in countries by that twisted logic.

All girls and women are entitled to exactly the same opportunities as boys and men.

Any society which denies females equal opportunities is a bad society, and the people who defend it are wicked people who have demonstrated that they are unfit to have such power.
 
Each country has different culture and different situations. Women's rights may vary from culture to culture and that's perfectly okay.

Not at all. I don't identify as an incel. My beliefs have nothing to do with my personal life.

You on the other hand support degenerate behavior like sleeping around unmarried.

The fact this thread has surpassed 800 posts is hilarious.

I know you’re not an INCEL I just acknowledged that your abstinence is your choice.

But I am saying that your lack of normal contact with women seems to have driven your belief that you are entitled to control them.
 
That's called respecting other culture. Nobody mentioned rape. You seem to use the word rape a lot. Very creepy.
Definitely not.

I did not accept White South African culture allowing them to discriminate against non-whites, and I will not accept a misogynistic culture allowing males to discriminate against females.

It is completely wrong and immoral to tolerate or respect evil cultures like Saudi Arabia or Iran or Afghanistan. Their crimes against women are just as bad as Apartheid South Africa’s crimes against non-whites.

It is fine to accept different cultures, but it is never ok to accept or respect cultures which discriminate against their own citizens on the basis of race or gender or religion.
 
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Definitely not.

I did not accept White South African culture allowing them to discriminate against non-whites, and I will not accept a misogynistic culture allowing males to discriminate against females.

It is completely wrong and immoral to tolerate or respect evil cultures like Saudi Arabia or Iran or Afghanistan. Their crimes against women are just as bad as Apartheid South Africa’s crimes against non-whites.

It is fine to accept different cultures, but it is never ok to accept or respect cultures which discriminate against their own citizens on the basis of race or gender or religion.

Who determines what is discrimination and what is not? This can be subjective from region to region.

Some may say west oppresses women with sexification and objectification.

These are all subjective.
 
Last page or two of this thread has been going downhill again, low quality posts. Please improve.
 
Who determines what is discrimination and what is not? This can be subjective from region to region.

Some may say west oppresses women with sexification and objectification.

These are all subjective.

Western women choose to be on the glamour side of the entertainment industry. No one forces a western women to strip or wear a bikini at the beach. Its their choice.

The real oppression of women happens in Eastern side of the world map. A women has to seek the permission of the parents or guardian to even step out of the house. They cannot wear clothes of their choice or career they want to pursue.
 
What is undefendable?

I am quite comfortable with defending benevolent patriarchy. We have gone through this before.

There is nothing called benevolent patriarchy. You are just making up terms to placate your doubts about patriarchy. I feel in your mind you know that Patriarchy is bad. But your cultural and religious upbringing are forcing you to defend oppressive patriarchy by making up new terminology and definitions.
 
There is nothing called benevolent patriarchy. You are just making up terms to placate your doubts about patriarchy. I feel in your mind you know that Patriarchy is bad. But your cultural and religious upbringing are forcing you to defend oppressive patriarchy by making up new terminology and definitions.

There is nothing further for me to add. I have already posted my argument.

You bumping up the thread daily and posting same thing daily simply lowers the quality of this thread.

You want to be a submissive man, you do that but don't expect everyone to do the same.
 
They cannot wear clothes of their choice or career they want to pursue.

Inappropriate clothes should be called out. That's decency.

That also shows that the family is a good family and a functional family.

Parents have a job to ensure children are being raised correctly. It also benefits society.

A lot of the spoiled brats you see in societies are due to faulty parentings.
 
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Inappropriate clothes should be called out. That's decency.

That also shows that the family is a good family and a functional family.

Parents have a job to ensure children are being raised correctly. It also benefits society.

A lot of the spoiled brats you see in societies are due to faulty parentings.

No one is going out wearing their undergarments and walk on the streets. We are talking about regular clothes like Jeans and T-Shirt. That is also frowned upon in Patriarchy. There are females in my family that wear Swim wear near pools and Jeans and shirts at school or work. They are all still from good family,

There is a difference between parenting and oppressive parenting that curtails the basic freedoms. You know the difference. Modern clothes does not mean undergarments that some crazy celebs wear.
 
No one is going out wearing their undergarments and walk on the streets. We are talking about regular clothes like Jeans and T-Shirt. That is also frowned upon in Patriarchy.

Inaccurate generalization.

It can vary from culture to culture.
 
There are females in my family that wear Swim wear near pools and Jeans and shirts at school or work. They are all still from good family,

I believe you are referring to bikini.

Bikini is neither from Muslim culture nor from Indian culture. Maybe you are okay with this but not me. I think it is problematic for any brown woman to wear bikini in public.

Now, I am not saying a random guy should ask a woman what to wear. But, there is nothing wrong if parents ask their daughters what to wear. That's what benevolent patriarchy is.
 
I believe you are referring to bikini.

Bikini is neither from Muslim culture nor from Indian culture. Maybe you are okay with this but not me. I think it is problematic for any brown woman to wear bikini in public.

Now, I am not saying a random guy should ask a woman what to wear. But, there is nothing wrong if parents ask their daughters what to wear. That's what benevolent patriarchy is.

Of course it is Bikini. When you go to the beach, that is the best thing to wear for women to enjoy the water as well as the wind. You cannot wear a saree or a chudidar or Pajamas when you go to beach.

You think it is problematic for women to wear bikini at the beach because you cannot handle that other people can see your family members in the swim wear. That is because Patriarchy tells you that any women in public that shows some skin (at the beach) or figure hugging dress (at work or Market) are loose women and they belong to streets. This is the mentality that Brown cultures need to come out of. We cannot treat women as some kind of sexual objects that need to be hidden all the time.

We only get one shot to live. Enjoy it while you can without causing trauma and harm to others.
 
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Of course it is Bikini. When you go to the beach, that is the best thing to wear for women to enjoy the water as well as the wind. You cannot wear a saree or a chudidar or Pajamas when you go to beach.

You think it is problematic for women to wear bikini at the beach because you cannot handle that other people can see your family members in the swim wear. That is because Patriarchy tells you that any women in public that shows some skin (at the beach) or figure hugging dress (at work or Market) are loose women and they belong to streets. This is the mentality that Brown cultures need to come out of. We cannot treat women as some kind of sexual objects that need to be hidden all the time.

We only get one shot to live. Enjoy it while you can without causing trauma and harm to others.

You can definitely wear saree, pants etc. at a beach. Bikini is not necessary. Beaches are not special places that you need special clothing. You are making it sound like going to beach is like going to space.

Finally, there is nothing wrong if brown cultures see bikini as problematic. Brown cultures don't have to change their mentalities when it comes to this issue.
 
In my native Bangladesh, if a woman wears bikini in public, she can be in trouble with the law (arrest and fine).

This thread is not just about west. It is about all places and all cultures. It is a general thread. I am just pointing out that in a patriarchy, a woman may get told by her father not to wear certain clothing and that's perfectly okay.
 
A big reason is feminism. Modern feminism is about hating men and trying to diminish men in every sort of way.
 
A big reason is feminism. Modern feminism is about hating men and trying to diminish men in every sort of way.

A sensible post finally.

If radical feminism is called out, leftists may label it as "toxic masculinity".
 
A sensible post finally.

If radical feminism is called out, leftists may label it as "toxic masculinity".

Radical of anything is bad.

Feminism in its truest form is female empowerment. It is desperately needed in Eastern cultures where females have been badly oppressed for thousands of years. Females are people too. They too have aspirations and ambitions. A man cannot decide how much they can aspire while he himself does all those things. There are countless issues where double standards were imposed by men to curtail the freedom of women and their right to choose.
 
Radical of anything is bad.

Feminism in its truest form is female empowerment. It is desperately needed in Eastern cultures where females have been badly oppressed for thousands of years. Females are people too. They too have aspirations and ambitions. A man cannot decide how much they can aspire while he himself does all those things. There are countless issues where double standards were imposed by men to curtail the freedom of women and their right to choose.

Yes. Women empowerment is important and I never said it is not.

But, it is also important that dad preserves the right to advise his daughter. That's just the hallmark of a good family.
 
A sensible post finally.

If radical feminism is called out, leftists may label it as "toxic masculinity".
Toxic masculinity is a nonsensical concept. In the eyes of feminists and liberals, men behaving like men is a definition of toxic masculinity. They want men to not be men anymore and behave like women and become more feminine.
 
Toxic masculinity is a nonsensical concept. In the eyes of feminists and liberals, men behaving like men is a definition of toxic masculinity. They want men to not be men anymore and behave like women and become more feminine.

Right.

They want men to agree with them in everything. LOL.

Some submissive fools may fall for it sadly.
 
Toxic masculinity is a nonsensical concept. In the eyes of feminists and liberals, men behaving like men is a definition of toxic masculinity. They want men to not be men anymore and behave like women and become more feminine.
I think you are talking about extreme end of it. What Champ said is very accurate.
 
Sadly, most men today are submissive. Maybe, they are scared of feminists coming for them.

No they aren't. I would take sites like this with a pinch of salt, a lot of the people posting here are usually highly motivated trolls with an agenda, they don't represent the majority by any stretch of the imagination. Women in the subcontinent definitely need more rights, but with mass levels of poverty, they would probably put food and shelter as the highest priority.
 
Toxic masculinity is a nonsensical concept. In the eyes of feminists and liberals, men behaving like men is a definition of toxic masculinity. They want men to not be men anymore and behave like women and become more feminine.

I don’t agree with this.

Toxic masculinity is where patriarchy damages men. About forcing men to fight when they don’t want to. About beating women down. About being cruel instead of kind. About suppressing sadness and hurt until we become mentally ill.

That doesn’t mean back down if a woman goes nuts at you. It means keep calm and stand your emotional ground, don’t let her push you around.

Showing grief or pain doesn’t make a man less of a man. Women want their men to have emotional strength and durability, to be able to cope if something goes wrong, to have the ability to manage a bad situation.
 
A big reason is feminism. Modern feminism is about hating men and trying to diminish men in every sort of way.

That’s extremist feminism. Like Andrea Dworkin who said that all heterosexual sex is fundamentally rape. But this is a reaction, not a cause. If women didn’t get raped so often, radical feminism wouldn’t exist.

Mainstream feminism is the idea that women are people with rights - access to education, job rights, the vote, standing for election, reproductive rights, pregnancy leave from work.
 
I don’t agree with this.

Toxic masculinity is where patriarchy damages men. About forcing men to fight when they don’t want to. About beating women down. About being cruel instead of kind. About suppressing sadness and hurt until we become mentally ill.

That doesn’t mean back down if a woman goes nuts at you. It means keep calm and stand your emotional ground, don’t let her push you around.

Showing grief or pain doesn’t make a man less of a man. Women want their men to have emotional strength and durability, to be able to cope if something goes wrong, to have the ability to manage a bad situation.

There is nothing wrong with men showing emotion or grief. However, men and women are biologically and emotionally different. But forcing men to be more feminine is wrong too.
 
No they aren't. I would take sites like this with a pinch of salt, a lot of the people posting here are usually highly motivated trolls with an agenda, they don't represent the majority by any stretch of the imagination. Women in the subcontinent definitely need more rights, but with mass levels of poverty, they would probably put food and shelter as the highest priority.

Feminism is definitely needed in places like Pakistan. But I have a problem when rich privileged white women in the west who are hardcore feminists start crying about being victims, when they are literally more privileged than majority of the men in the world.
 
Yes. Women empowerment is important and I never said it is not.

But, it is also important that dad preserves the right to advise his daughter. That's just the hallmark of a good family.

He can advise. But not impose. Imposition is where male chauvinistic patriarchy becomes toxic.

I do believe that only in certain situations a Father can impose rules on their daughters. Toxic relationships and things like Alcholol and Drug abuse.

A Father cannot impose his will on the daughter when it comes to wearing a bikini at the beach or Jeans and T-Shirt at schools and colleges. He cannot decide which profession the girl decides to take up. The decision has to be made by the female if she is over 18. Situation appropriate clothing is considered classy.
 
Women in the subcontinent definitely need more rights, but with mass levels of poverty, they would probably put food and shelter as the highest priority.

Yeah. There are far bigger things to worry about in subcontinent than some of the first world issues.

Patriarchy is not the culprit; overpopulation and poverty are. These two issues need to be resolved first.
 
A Father cannot impose his will on the daughter when it comes to wearing a bikini at the beach or Jeans and T-Shirt at schools and colleges. He cannot decide which profession the girl decides to take up. The decision has to be made by the female if she is over 18. Situation appropriate clothing is considered classy.

What? A father can definitely advise his daughter not to wear bikini in beach. There's nothing wrong with it.

Nothing wrong with advising.
 
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No they aren't. I would take sites like this with a pinch of salt, a lot of the people posting here are usually highly motivated trolls with an agenda, they don't represent the majority by any stretch of the imagination. Women in the subcontinent definitely need more rights, but with mass levels of poverty, they would probably put food and shelter as the highest priority.

Women in Middle East too. They are Filthy rich. But they cannot pursue anything without the consent of their parent or guardian. They are even worse than the subcontinent women.
 
What? A father can definitely advise his daughter not to wear bikini in beach. There's nothing wrong with it.

Nothing wrong with advising.

He can advise. Not impose.

Are you at least okay with women wearing Jeans and T-shirts at schools, colleges and Markets?
 
Women in Middle East too. They are Filthy rich. But they cannot pursue anything without the consent of their parent or guardian. They are even worse than the subcontinent women.

Consent of parent is a beautiful thing. It shows the family is a good family. Anything else can result in lunacy and degeneracy.

I know a 13-year old Bengali girl in USA who got pregnant. If there was a consent system in her family, this could've been averted.
 
He can advise. Not impose.

Are you at least okay with women wearing Jeans and T-shirts at schools, colleges and Markets?

I never said impose. But, I support advising and possible sanctions (for example - reducing certain privileges).

Regarding second question, why are you asking me this on this thread? This is not a religious thread. Jeans and t-shirts are definitely better than bikini and other similar nonsensical clothing.
 
Feminism is definitely needed in places like Pakistan. But I have a problem when rich privileged white women in the west who are hardcore feminists start crying about being victims, when they are literally more privileged than majority of the men in the world.

This.

In subcontinent, we need to address genuine oppressions but we shouldn't get carried away with narratives of privileged radical feminists.

We must be clear about what is normal and what is not.
 
Patriarchy is not the culprit; overpopulation and poverty are. These two issues need to be resolved first.

Poverty and overpopulation can be alleviated by being less patriarchal. Giving women more power in economic and education and reproductive rights. Sitting at home getting pregnant is what promotes poverty in poor countries. Saudi would be Afgjanistan without oil.
 
Poverty and overpopulation can be alleviated by being less patriarchal. Giving women more power in economic and education and reproductive rights. Sitting at home getting pregnant is what promotes poverty in poor countries. Saudi would be Afgjanistan without oil.

Nobody is asking women to sit at home and get pregnant.

Poverty and overpopulation aren't connected to patriarchy.
 
Brown cultures don't have to change their mentalities when it comes to this issue.

The african tribespeople can go around naked without men losing control, this is because in their culture no body parts are sexualised by covering them up.

In western cultures the breasts, buttocks etc are sexualised. As long as they are covered up western males don't tend to notice.

In brown cultures the whole female body is sexualised.

This is reason why some brown men think the ankle is sexy.

When you cover parts up you are sexualising those parts.
 
The african tribespeople can go around naked without men losing control, this is because in their culture no body parts are sexualised by covering them up.

In western cultures the breasts, buttocks etc are sexualised. As long as they are covered up western males don't tend to notice.

In brown cultures the whole female body is sexualised.

This is reason why some brown men think the ankle is sexy.

When you cover parts up you are sexualising those parts.

Tribespeople don't know any better. They are primitive.

They should be educated about importance of clothes.

Anyway. We have discussed these many times on this thread. You can go back and read our discussions.

Many of the posts on this thread are simply repeated posts.
 
Nobody is asking women to sit at home and get pregnant.

Poverty and overpopulation aren't connected to patriarchy.

Women in developed non-patriarchal countries have less kids, less kids means less poverty (and less overpopulation). Women in developed non payriarchal countries are more or less equal in the workforce and therefore are more in employment - more employment means less poverty.
 
Nobody is asking women to sit at home and get pregnant.

Poverty and overpopulation aren't connected to patriarchy.
I think what you are stating has been disapproved multiple times by above posters. But you are repeating it again. You have be shown facts. But you say those are not facts.
 
Women in developed non-patriarchal countries have less kids, less kids means less poverty (and less overpopulation). Women in developed non payriarchal countries are more or less equal in the workforce and therefore are more in employment - more employment means less poverty.

You are avoiding something called corruption. Corruption is the main culprit behind poverty.

Also, how's less kids working out for west? They have to import immigrants from other countries. There can be a time when native whites will become outnumbered by other ethnic groups. It is just a statistical reality.

Also, these issues have been discussed to death. You can go back and read.
 
They obviously control it better round naked women. If they didn't the men would be asking them to cover up.

OK if that makes you happy.

I highly doubt you know how things are done in those tribes.

Lack of clothing can also increase chances of infections and injuries. This is common sense.
 
Consent of parent is a beautiful thing. It shows the family is a good family. Anything else can result in lunacy and degeneracy.

I know a 13-year old Bengali girl in USA who got pregnant. If there was a consent system in her family, this could've been averted.

I have seen cases of 9 year old girls getting pregnant with the consent of parents in Middle East.

A Female is not fully ready to have a kid both physically and mentally until they turn 18. Its better if they are in 20's.
 
OK if that makes you happy.

I highly doubt you know how things are done in those tribes.

Lack of clothing can also increase chances of infections and injuries. This is common sense.

They have lived for thousands of years like that. If it caused them infections and injuries they would have adopted practices to avoid that. This is common sense.

The more body parts you cover up the more sexualised those body parts become.
 
Women in Middle East too. They are Filthy rich. But they cannot pursue anything without the consent of their parent or guardian. They are even worse than the subcontinent women.

Indians who live in a country where the vast majority of women are living in poor hygiene and can barely muster 3 square meals a day, worrying about bored rich Arab women simply underlines my point. Posters are on here to troll on nationalistic or religious reasons, you being a prime example.
 
OK if that makes you happy.

I highly doubt you know how things are done in those tribes.

Lack of clothing can also increase chances of infections and injuries. This is common sense.
Please give some examples for both. I really would like to know your thoughts on this
 
Indians who live in a country where the vast majority of women are living in poor hygiene and can barely muster 3 square meals a day, worrying about bored rich Arab women simply underlines my point. Posters are on here to troll on nationalistic or religious reasons, you being a prime example.

It boggles my mind how this thread has reached 800+ posts. I seriously didn't expect more than 100 posts.

It is the same repeated stuff we are discussing.

I also think there is a bit of trolling going on here.
 
So, are you saying we have to wear less clothes? LOL.

No we are where we are. Back in the day the same would have been said in the West, women were more fully covered but now the men manage not to get turned on by ankles or arms. Whereas men in Saudi would be up in arms if either was on show on their streets.
 
You one sensitive old man.

Bored Arab women also have aspirations. Money alone does not bring happiness. We all know who controls the women in Arab countries.

I think that you mention sensitivity only points out your own. Why is it sensitive to point out the obvious? You are Indian right? You are a Hindu? You keep talking about Arab women or Islam in this thread? Nothing wrong with any of this by the way, but don't get annoyed because it is brought up, this stuff provides some much needed context.
 
Time to address the elephants in the room.

This thread is a breeding ground for Liberals, and more so, Hindutva proponents. It is evidently clear that liberals see their women as sexual objects and want to be paraded as such. These liberals do not care if their daughters make a living out of acting in adult movies even!

Hindutva proponents on the other hand need to stop worrying about Islam and Islamic countries and focus on how women are viewed and treated in Hinduism. I need not remind you of Sati. Sums up the value of a women in the Hindutva ideology.
 
I think that you mention sensitivity only points out your own. Why is it sensitive to point out the obvious? You are Indian right? You are a Hindu? You keep talking about Arab women or Islam in this thread? Nothing wrong with any of this by the way, but don't get annoyed because it is brought up, this stuff provides some much needed context.

I am an American. Not Indian. I was born in India. I am a cultural Hindu.

Never brought up Islam. I was only point out the cultural aspect of Asian countries where in spite of money, women still cannot do anything without the men telling them what to do.

Until recently Saudi Arabia did not even let women drive. That is patriarchy.
 
Pakistani here. I dont undertand how either India or pakistan/Arab can pump up their chests and defend what goes on in their countries regarding women, All are at the bottom of the pool according to Gender equality index. Pakistan is 3rd last. Just putting things in perspective.
 
We are going in circles.

I think it is time to stop repeating myself on a weekday afternoon and just reiterate my views regarding this topic:

- I believe there is nothing wrong with patriarchy itself. If a patriarch oppresses a woman, that's the fault of that man and not patriarchy itself. There have been many women who succeeded despite patriarchy.

- A father has the right to advise his daughter. Nothing wrong with it.

- Bikini is a disgusting clothing and nobody should wear it in public (beach or no beach).

Thanks. Have a good day.
 
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We are going in circles.

I think it is time to stop repeating myself on a weekday afternoon and just reiterate my views regarding this topic:

- I believe there is nothing wrong with patriarchy itself. If a patriarch oppresses a woman, that's the fault of that man and not patriarchy itself. There have been many women who succeeded despite patriarchy.

- Bikini is a disgusting clothing and nobody should wear it in public (beach or no beach).

Thanks. Have a good day.

No, it's the same thing.

All you have done is repeat yourself. Nobody believes you.
 
Time to address the elephants in the room.

This thread is a breeding ground for Liberals, and more so, Hindutva proponents. It is evidently clear that liberals see their women as sexual objects and want to be paraded as such. These liberals do not care if their daughters make a living out of acting in adult movies even!

Hindutva proponents on the other hand need to stop worrying about Islam and Islamic countries and focus on how women are viewed and treated in Hinduism. I need not remind you of Sati. Sums up the value of a women in the Hindutva ideology.

You are completely wrong.

We are not Hindutva proponents. Women in Hinduism also suffer from Patriarchy. It should be severely criticized. But they are still better than the Middle Eastern Women in terms of freedom.

Never mentioned Islam. It is a religion. We are talking about the rabid Patriarchal culture that exists in Asia. That also includes many South Eastern countries which are Buddhist. All of that need to be criticized and exposed.
 
We are going in circles.

I think it is time to stop repeating myself on a weekday afternoon and just reiterate my views regarding this topic:

- I believe there is nothing wrong with patriarchy itself. If a patriarch oppresses a woman, that's the fault of that man and not patriarchy itself. There have been many women who succeeded despite patriarchy.

- A father has the right to advise his daughter. Nothing wrong with it.

- Bikini is a disgusting clothing and nobody should wear it in public (beach or no beach).

Thanks. Have a good day.

You are the one going in circles by vilifying feminism and equating it with radical feminism of far left agenda. Radical feminism is more about destroying the so called white power structure and destroying of families. No one supports that.

There should be neither Patriarchy nor feminism. All humans are equal. But since rabid toxic patriarchy exists in Eastern cultures, you need feminism to counter that.
 
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