61% of Indian women believe they must obey their husband's orders. That is some deeply entrenched beliefs in 2022.
Hence the shackles of Patriarchy should be broken.
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61% of Indian women believe they must obey their husband's orders. That is some deeply entrenched beliefs in 2022.
Only in selected professions. They do not have a choice to choose their own path. The man has to approve if the profession is acceptable.
How Internalized Misogyny in Indian Culture Keeps Patriarchy Alive
https://aninjusticemag.com/patriarc...-well-all-thanks-to-indian-women-a6cddbf43e25
I just posted the link rather than paste a wall of text, but very relevant points raised as to how patriarchy is entrenched deeply in Indian culture.
How Internalized Misogyny in Indian Culture Keeps Patriarchy Alive
https://aninjusticemag.com/patriarc...-well-all-thanks-to-indian-women-a6cddbf43e25
I just posted the link rather than paste a wall of text, but very relevant points raised as to how patriarchy is entrenched deeply in Indian culture.
Look at the deplorable percentage of working women percentages in Muslim countries from Wiki. This list does not include the backward societies of Bahrain, Qatar, Yemen etc.
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These indexes don't give full pictures. You are seeing this chart in a black and white manner.
Do all countries have similar environments and opportunities? Answer is no.
In short, these indexes are faulty. It doesn't take context into account.
These indexes don't give full pictures. You are seeing this chart in a black and white manner.
Do all countries have similar environments and opportunities? Answer is no.
In short, these indexes are faulty. It doesn't take context into account.
All stats are faulty. Only you know the truth.
Benevolent patriarchy FTW!!
No they are not. You don't even needs the charts. Just open eyes to see the diffenrce
I don't remember. I did that in 2009. I was 19 then.
I don't think I remembered or cared about what I was saying.
You have started a thread in which you say that the best model is men controlling women.
Then you told us that you were saving yourself until marriage.
Now you are telling us that you are 32 years old.
Has it crossed your mind that 32 year old male virgins are precisely the INCEL demographic? People who are angry about women’s sexual behaviour and who feel entitled to control women.
Until today I thought this thread was what happens when a devout follower of one religion tries to stick to his beliefs in a country where those beliefs are neither shared nor respected.
But now that you have disclosed how closely you fit the INCEL demographic, it seems more like your attitudes to women are influenced by that.
Each country has different culture and different situations. Women's rights may vary from culture to culture and that's perfectly okay.
Each country has different culture and different situations. Women's rights may vary from culture to culture and that's perfectly okay.
Not at all. I don't identify as an incel. My beliefs have nothing to do with my personal life.
You on the other hand support degenerate behavior like sleeping around unmarried.
The fact this thread has surpassed 800 posts is hilarious.
I didn't say I know everything. But, these stats are misleading. That's right.
When you are proven wrong, accept it. No point in defending the undefendable.
Definitely not.That's called respecting other culture. Nobody mentioned rape. You seem to use the word rape a lot. Very creepy.
Definitely not.
I did not accept White South African culture allowing them to discriminate against non-whites, and I will not accept a misogynistic culture allowing males to discriminate against females.
It is completely wrong and immoral to tolerate or respect evil cultures like Saudi Arabia or Iran or Afghanistan. Their crimes against women are just as bad as Apartheid South Africa’s crimes against non-whites.
It is fine to accept different cultures, but it is never ok to accept or respect cultures which discriminate against their own citizens on the basis of race or gender or religion.
Who determines what is discrimination and what is not? This can be subjective from region to region.
Some may say west oppresses women with sexification and objectification.
These are all subjective.
What is undefendable?
I am quite comfortable with defending benevolent patriarchy. We have gone through this before.
There is nothing called benevolent patriarchy. You are just making up terms to placate your doubts about patriarchy. I feel in your mind you know that Patriarchy is bad. But your cultural and religious upbringing are forcing you to defend oppressive patriarchy by making up new terminology and definitions.
They cannot wear clothes of their choice or career they want to pursue.
Inappropriate clothes should be called out. That's decency.
That also shows that the family is a good family and a functional family.
Parents have a job to ensure children are being raised correctly. It also benefits society.
A lot of the spoiled brats you see in societies are due to faulty parentings.
No one is going out wearing their undergarments and walk on the streets. We are talking about regular clothes like Jeans and T-Shirt. That is also frowned upon in Patriarchy.
There are females in my family that wear Swim wear near pools and Jeans and shirts at school or work. They are all still from good family,
I believe you are referring to bikini.
Bikini is neither from Muslim culture nor from Indian culture. Maybe you are okay with this but not me. I think it is problematic for any brown woman to wear bikini in public.
Now, I am not saying a random guy should ask a woman what to wear. But, there is nothing wrong if parents ask their daughters what to wear. That's what benevolent patriarchy is.
Of course it is Bikini. When you go to the beach, that is the best thing to wear for women to enjoy the water as well as the wind. You cannot wear a saree or a chudidar or Pajamas when you go to beach.
You think it is problematic for women to wear bikini at the beach because you cannot handle that other people can see your family members in the swim wear. That is because Patriarchy tells you that any women in public that shows some skin (at the beach) or figure hugging dress (at work or Market) are loose women and they belong to streets. This is the mentality that Brown cultures need to come out of. We cannot treat women as some kind of sexual objects that need to be hidden all the time.
We only get one shot to live. Enjoy it while you can without causing trauma and harm to others.
A big reason is feminism. Modern feminism is about hating men and trying to diminish men in every sort of way.
A sensible post finally.
If radical feminism is called out, leftists may label it as "toxic masculinity".
Radical of anything is bad.
Feminism in its truest form is female empowerment. It is desperately needed in Eastern cultures where females have been badly oppressed for thousands of years. Females are people too. They too have aspirations and ambitions. A man cannot decide how much they can aspire while he himself does all those things. There are countless issues where double standards were imposed by men to curtail the freedom of women and their right to choose.
Toxic masculinity is a nonsensical concept. In the eyes of feminists and liberals, men behaving like men is a definition of toxic masculinity. They want men to not be men anymore and behave like women and become more feminine.A sensible post finally.
If radical feminism is called out, leftists may label it as "toxic masculinity".
Toxic masculinity is a nonsensical concept. In the eyes of feminists and liberals, men behaving like men is a definition of toxic masculinity. They want men to not be men anymore and behave like women and become more feminine.
I think you are talking about extreme end of it. What Champ said is very accurate.Toxic masculinity is a nonsensical concept. In the eyes of feminists and liberals, men behaving like men is a definition of toxic masculinity. They want men to not be men anymore and behave like women and become more feminine.
Sadly, most men today are submissive. Maybe, they are scared of feminists coming for them.Right.
They want men to agree with them in everything. LOL.
Some submissive fools may fall for it sadly.
Sadly, most men today are submissive. Maybe, they are scared of feminists coming for them.
Toxic masculinity is a nonsensical concept. In the eyes of feminists and liberals, men behaving like men is a definition of toxic masculinity. They want men to not be men anymore and behave like women and become more feminine.
Right.
They want men to agree with them in everything. LOL.
Some submissive fools may fall for it sadly.
A big reason is feminism. Modern feminism is about hating men and trying to diminish men in every sort of way.
I don’t agree with this.
Toxic masculinity is where patriarchy damages men. About forcing men to fight when they don’t want to. About beating women down. About being cruel instead of kind. About suppressing sadness and hurt until we become mentally ill.
That doesn’t mean back down if a woman goes nuts at you. It means keep calm and stand your emotional ground, don’t let her push you around.
Showing grief or pain doesn’t make a man less of a man. Women want their men to have emotional strength and durability, to be able to cope if something goes wrong, to have the ability to manage a bad situation.
No they aren't. I would take sites like this with a pinch of salt, a lot of the people posting here are usually highly motivated trolls with an agenda, they don't represent the majority by any stretch of the imagination. Women in the subcontinent definitely need more rights, but with mass levels of poverty, they would probably put food and shelter as the highest priority.
Yes. Women empowerment is important and I never said it is not.
But, it is also important that dad preserves the right to advise his daughter. That's just the hallmark of a good family.
Women in the subcontinent definitely need more rights, but with mass levels of poverty, they would probably put food and shelter as the highest priority.
A Father cannot impose his will on the daughter when it comes to wearing a bikini at the beach or Jeans and T-Shirt at schools and colleges. He cannot decide which profession the girl decides to take up. The decision has to be made by the female if she is over 18. Situation appropriate clothing is considered classy.
No they aren't. I would take sites like this with a pinch of salt, a lot of the people posting here are usually highly motivated trolls with an agenda, they don't represent the majority by any stretch of the imagination. Women in the subcontinent definitely need more rights, but with mass levels of poverty, they would probably put food and shelter as the highest priority.
What? A father can definitely advise his daughter not to wear bikini in beach. There's nothing wrong with it.
Nothing wrong with advising.
There is nothing wrong with men showing emotion or grief.
Women in Middle East too. They are Filthy rich. But they cannot pursue anything without the consent of their parent or guardian. They are even worse than the subcontinent women.
He can advise. Not impose.
Are you at least okay with women wearing Jeans and T-shirts at schools, colleges and Markets?
Feminism is definitely needed in places like Pakistan. But I have a problem when rich privileged white women in the west who are hardcore feminists start crying about being victims, when they are literally more privileged than majority of the men in the world.
Patriarchy is not the culprit; overpopulation and poverty are. These two issues need to be resolved first.
Poverty and overpopulation can be alleviated by being less patriarchal. Giving women more power in economic and education and reproductive rights. Sitting at home getting pregnant is what promotes poverty in poor countries. Saudi would be Afgjanistan without oil.
Brown cultures don't have to change their mentalities when it comes to this issue.
The african tribespeople can go around naked without men losing control, this is because in their culture no body parts are sexualised by covering them up.
In western cultures the breasts, buttocks etc are sexualised. As long as they are covered up western males don't tend to notice.
In brown cultures the whole female body is sexualised.
This is reason why some brown men think the ankle is sexy.
When you cover parts up you are sexualising those parts.
Nobody is asking women to sit at home and get pregnant.
Poverty and overpopulation aren't connected to patriarchy.
I think what you are stating has been disapproved multiple times by above posters. But you are repeating it again. You have be shown facts. But you say those are not facts.Nobody is asking women to sit at home and get pregnant.
Poverty and overpopulation aren't connected to patriarchy.
Tribespeople don't know any better. They are primitive.
Women in developed non-patriarchal countries have less kids, less kids means less poverty (and less overpopulation). Women in developed non payriarchal countries are more or less equal in the workforce and therefore are more in employment - more employment means less poverty.
So primitive people are better at controling their lust than advanced 'civilised' people?
How do you know they control lust better? Did you live with them?
They obviously control it better round naked women. If they didn't the men would be asking them to cover up.
Consent of parent is a beautiful thing. It shows the family is a good family. Anything else can result in lunacy and degeneracy.
I know a 13-year old Bengali girl in USA who got pregnant. If there was a consent system in her family, this could've been averted.
OK if that makes you happy.
I highly doubt you know how things are done in those tribes.
Lack of clothing can also increase chances of infections and injuries. This is common sense.
Women in Middle East too. They are Filthy rich. But they cannot pursue anything without the consent of their parent or guardian. They are even worse than the subcontinent women.
Please give some examples for both. I really would like to know your thoughts on thisOK if that makes you happy.
I highly doubt you know how things are done in those tribes.
Lack of clothing can also increase chances of infections and injuries. This is common sense.
Indians who live in a country where the vast majority of women are living in poor hygiene and can barely muster 3 square meals a day, worrying about bored rich Arab women simply underlines my point. Posters are on here to troll on nationalistic or religious reasons, you being a prime example.
So, are you saying we have to wear less clothes? LOL.
You one sensitive old man.
Bored Arab women also have aspirations. Money alone does not bring happiness. We all know who controls the women in Arab countries.
I think that you mention sensitivity only points out your own. Why is it sensitive to point out the obvious? You are Indian right? You are a Hindu? You keep talking about Arab women or Islam in this thread? Nothing wrong with any of this by the way, but don't get annoyed because it is brought up, this stuff provides some much needed context.
We are going in circles.
I think it is time to stop repeating myself on a weekday afternoon and just reiterate my views regarding this topic:
- I believe there is nothing wrong with patriarchy itself. If a patriarch oppresses a woman, that's the fault of that man and not patriarchy itself. There have been many women who succeeded despite patriarchy.
- Bikini is a disgusting clothing and nobody should wear it in public (beach or no beach).
Thanks. Have a good day.
Time to address the elephants in the room.
This thread is a breeding ground for Liberals, and more so, Hindutva proponents. It is evidently clear that liberals see their women as sexual objects and want to be paraded as such. These liberals do not care if their daughters make a living out of acting in adult movies even!
Hindutva proponents on the other hand need to stop worrying about Islam and Islamic countries and focus on how women are viewed and treated in Hinduism. I need not remind you of Sati. Sums up the value of a women in the Hindutva ideology.
We are going in circles.
I think it is time to stop repeating myself on a weekday afternoon and just reiterate my views regarding this topic:
- I believe there is nothing wrong with patriarchy itself. If a patriarch oppresses a woman, that's the fault of that man and not patriarchy itself. There have been many women who succeeded despite patriarchy.
- A father has the right to advise his daughter. Nothing wrong with it.
- Bikini is a disgusting clothing and nobody should wear it in public (beach or no beach).
Thanks. Have a good day.