Why is Sachin Tendulkar not included in ICC's Hall of Fame?

[MenInG]

Curious as to why SRT is not in there given his legendary status?

Other Indians who are in that distinguished list:

Rahul Dravid, Bishan Singh Bedi, Gavaskar and Kapil Dev and Anil Kumble.

 

[WengerOut]

Around 80% are English players i read. Is that even true?

 

[Indiafan]

Curious as to why SRT is not in there given his legendary status?

Other Indians who are in that distinguished list:

Rahul Dravid, Bishan Singh Bedi, Gavaskar and Kapil Dev and Anil Kumble.

You can only be inducted in the hall of fame minimum 5 years after your retirement in the next cycle. Sachin should be in next year i guess

 

[MenInG]

You can only be inducted in the hall of fame minimum 5 years after your retirement in the next cycle. Sachin should be in next year i guess

That does make sense.

However, his name is such an obvious choice - should have been there from Day 1

 

[Hawkeye]

Not as highly rated around the world as in India (1 billion people).

But.. he will be included eventually.

 

[WengerOut]

Not as highly rated around the world as in India (1 billion people).

But.. he will be included eventually.

So, Derek Underwood is???

 

[Tusker]

If anything this ICC hall of fame does not deserve a Mega Legend like SRT.

 

[Sachin136]

Around 80% are English players i read. Is that even true?

No, but there are more England players than from any other team (28 out of 87), and only 11/87 (12%) of the inductees are Asian.

 

[rhony]

Sachin's gotto be one of the top 10 greatest players of all time. He is in everybody's world all time X1 in both formats. Hes a sure Hall of famer and needs to wait one more year before he will be inducted. 5 years after retirement is the criteria.

 

[Ab Fan]

The rule is 5 years after the retirement. And a rule is a rule for everyone, doesn't matter who you are.

So, once Sachin fulfills that criteria, he will make way into it. Too good a player not to make it.

 

[Junaids]

So, Derek Underwood is???

Sachin Tendulkar’s achievements are very similar to Derek Underwood’s.

Tendulkar spent 30% of his career in the all-time Top Five runmakers.

Underwood spent 30% of his career in the all-time Top Three spin bowling wicket-takers. And if he hadn’t defected to Packer it would have been more.

I don’t think Tendulkar ever obtained the same levels of fear in the opposition though that Underwood did on a drying wicket. But I’d still rank Tendulkar in as high a level as Underwood in the Pantheon of Greatness.

Think about it. Kerry Packer didn’t sign up Bedi or Chandrasekhar or Prasanna or Venkataghavran. He recognised Deadly Derek as the world’s greatest spinner.

Both Tendulkar and Underwood share another trait too.

They both carried on too long and ruined their legacy by playing on as mediocrities.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

Sachin Tendulkar’s achievements are very similar to Derek Underwood’s.

Tendulkar spent 30% of his career in the all-time Top Five runmakers.

Underwood spent 30% of his career in the all-time Top Three spin bowling wicket-takers. And if he hadn’t defected to Packer it would have been more.

I don’t think Tendulkar ever obtained the same levels of fear in the opposition though that Underwood did on a drying wicket. But I’d still rank Tendulkar in as high a level as Underwood in the Pantheon of Greatness.

Think about it. Kerry Packer didn’t sign up Bedi or Chandrasekhar or Prasanna or Venkataghavran. He recognised Deadly Derek as the world’s greatest spinner.

Both Tendulkar and Underwood share another trait too.

They both carried on too long and ruined their legacy by playing on as mediocrities.

Classic Junaids.

He can singlehandedly turn any thread into a blockbuster.

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[MENTION=134608]Hawkeye[/MENTION] - Learn from the master my friend.

 

[shaz619]

Scored too many soft runs, went on longer then he should have and cost his team dearly. ICC is currently trying to prepare an intricate statement which hides these facts, once their work is done then his induction will be imminent.

 

[shaz619]

Classic Junaids.

He can singlehandedly turn any thread into a blockbuster.

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[MENTION=134608]Hawkeye[/MENTION] - Learn from the master my friend.

Hypocrite ! criticises Dhoni every second for staying on but worships Sachin despite him playing well into his 50s.

P.S [MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION] has more POTW's then both of us so his word is gospel

 

[Tusker]

Classic Junaids.

He can singlehandedly turn any thread into a blockbuster.

[MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION] [MENTION=134300]Tusker[/MENTION] [MENTION=142162]Napa[/MENTION] [MENTION=97523]Buffet[/MENTION] [MENTION=76058]cricketjoshila[/MENTION]

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[MENTION=134608]Hawkeye[/MENTION] - Learn from the master my friend.

you could also set your clocks based on when he enters the thread and magically exits. )

 

[shaz619]

you could also set your clocks based on when he enters the thread and magically exits. )

How creepy and sad that you pay attention to stuff like that slow day at the IT offices ?

 

[Hawkeye]

Classic Junaids.

He can singlehandedly turn any thread into a blockbuster.

[MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION] [MENTION=134300]Tusker[/MENTION] [MENTION=142162]Napa[/MENTION] [MENTION=97523]Buffet[/MENTION] [MENTION=76058]cricketjoshila[/MENTION]

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[MENTION=134608]Hawkeye[/MENTION] - Learn from the master my friend.

Junaids kind of proved my point. as he's not from the subcontinent.

 

[Swashbuckler]

Sachin Tendulkar’s achievements are very similar to Derek Underwood’s.

Tendulkar spent 30% of his career in the all-time Top Five runmakers.

Underwood spent 30% of his career in the all-time Top Three spin bowling wicket-takers. And if he hadn’t defected to Packer it would have been more.

I don’t think Tendulkar ever obtained the same levels of fear in the opposition though that Underwood did on a drying wicket. But I’d still rank Tendulkar in as high a level as Underwood in the Pantheon of Greatness.

Think about it. Kerry Packer didn’t sign up Bedi or Chandrasekhar or Prasanna or Venkataghavran. He recognised Deadly Derek as the world’s greatest spinner.

Both Tendulkar and Underwood share another trait too.

They both carried on too long and ruined their legacy by playing on as mediocrities.

I won't argue with your comparison because I don't waste time on ludicrous nonsense which apparently gives you a kick.

But I will make a factual correction. Packer did scout for Bedi but the Indian legend refused the offer point blank saying " No B@s__rd puts a price on me" (his exact words which he stands by even today with regards to IPL and other T20 leagues). In fact he and Gavaskar were both offered contracts. Bedi on moral grounds rejected Packer's blank cheque while Sunny was set to join WSC in its 3rd season after reluctantly letting the offer pass in the 1st 2 seasons. This is what led to the estrangement between Bedi and Sunny. Exact words " The day I stop thinking about money, I will stagnate" in the Indian dressing room almost led to blows between the two stalwarts and bad blood for a lifetime.

You often claim to be well acquainted with every cricket related expert/player/legend/broadcaster under the sun and a resident of Australia. Next time you bump into Gildeon Haigh, ask him what happened with Sunny's flirtation with and Bedi's disdainful dismissal of that Packer Circus.

 

[EliteCynical]

Sachin Tendulkar’s achievements are very similar to Derek Underwood’s.

Tendulkar spent 30% of his career in the all-time Top Five runmakers.

Underwood spent 30% of his career in the all-time Top Three spin bowling wicket-takers. And if he hadn’t defected to Packer it would have been more.

I don’t think Tendulkar ever obtained the same levels of fear in the opposition though that Underwood did on a drying wicket. But I’d still rank Tendulkar in as high a level as Underwood in the Pantheon of Greatness.

Think about it. Kerry Packer didn’t sign up Bedi or Chandrasekhar or Prasanna or Venkataghavran. He recognised Deadly Derek as the world’s greatest spinner.

Both Tendulkar and Underwood share another trait too.

They both carried on too long and ruined their legacy by playing on as mediocrities.

I don't know where you get your facts but it is funny that you make these outrageous claims without verifying them. Chandra almost signed up for Packer circus, via his agent , who flew down in 1978 and Asif Iqbal. FYI, not a single New Zealander played too. Hadlee was on 'loan' for a few matches

 

[barah_admi]

No, but there are more England players than from any other team (28 out of 87), and only 11/87 (12%) of the inductees are Asian.

Many of Asia's greats came about post 1980, whereas English and Australian greats can be garnered from the pre TV era.

 

[Proactive_]

Because he doesn't deserve it.

Come at me, bruh.

 

[Proactive_]

Scored too many soft runs, went on longer then he should have and cost his team dearly. ICC is currently trying to prepare an intricate statement which hides these facts, once their work is done then his induction will be imminent.

Not to mention he's a two time WC Final choker and a proper bunny to many top bowlers. Give me Dravid any day.

 

[Napa]

Curious as to why SRT is not in there given his legendary status?

Other Indians who are in that distinguished list:

Rahul Dravid, Bishan Singh Bedi, Gavaskar and Kapil Dev and Anil Kumble.

SRT played his last Test 1 year 10 months after Dravid did. I assume ICC thought it proper to observe the time sequence so that no inductee is thought to be superior to another.

 

[Canford Cliffs]

Because he doesn't deserve it.

Come at me, bruh.

Tendulkar dont deserve hall of fame, Kohli was a tailender in 2014....who is good batsman in your dictionary bruv?

 

[Ted123]

He will get inducted when time comes.

 

[Indiafan]

The criteria for the hall of fame btw is very simple

1) For batsmen - over 8000 runs and over 20 hundreds in either tests or odis or average over 50 if one of the above two criteria is not met

2) for bowlers they should have 200 wickets in either format (criteria strike rate of 50 in tests or 30 in odis)

3) wicket keeper should have over 200 dismissals in either format

4) a captain should have a win% of 50% or more in leading in a minimum of 25 tests or 100 odis

Based on these criteria, a lot more players will be inducted in the future

 

[Indiafan]

SRT played his last Test 1 year 10 months after Dravid did. I assume ICC thought it proper to observe the time sequence so that no inductee is thought to be superior to another.

5 years after retirement is the minimum criteria. Sachin retired in nov 2013. His name will be there in the next cycle

 

[Napa]

5 years after retirement is the minimum criteria. Sachin retired in nov 2013. His name will be there in the next cycle

Thanks for the definitive answer

 

[EliteCynical]

I won't argue with your comparison because I don't waste time on ludicrous nonsense which apparently gives you a kick.

But I will make a factual correction. Packer did scout for Bedi but the Indian legend refused the offer point blank saying " No B@s__rd puts a price on me" (his exact words which he stands by even today with regards to IPL and other T20 leagues). In fact he and Gavaskar were both offered contracts. Bedi on moral grounds rejected Packer's blank cheque while Sunny was set to join WSC in its 3rd season after reluctantly letting the offer pass in the 1st 2 seasons. This is what led to the estrangement between Bedi and Sunny. Exact words " The day I stop thinking about money, I will stagnate" in the Indian dressing room almost led to blows between the two stalwarts and bad blood for a lifetime.

You often claim to be well acquainted with every cricket related expert/player/legend/broadcaster under the sun and a resident of Australia. Next time you bump into Gildeon Haigh, ask him what happened with Sunny's flirtation with and Bedi's disdainful dismissal of that Packer Circus.

Indeed. OP loves his confirmation biases and i don't blame him for that. Kirmani was filmed in Pakistan with Packer's agent in 1978 and invited the wrath of the selectors. Poor guy did not even agree, but was dropped from the team altogether for 1979 WC and subsequent Eng tour.Guess OP ain't interested in facts.

 

[coy0607]

5 years after retirement is the minimum criteria. Sachin retired in nov 2013. His name will be there in the next cycle

that makes sense, I assume Imran Farhat isn't in the HoF for the same reason

look forward to seeing both legends inducted next year

 

[EliteCynical]

that makes sense, I assume Imran Farhat isn't in the HoF for the same reason

look forward to seeing both legends inducted next year

Epic!

 

[kingusama92]

Sachin Tendulkar’s achievements are very similar to Derek Underwood’s.

Tendulkar spent 30% of his career in the all-time Top Five runmakers.

Underwood spent 30% of his career in the all-time Top Three spin bowling wicket-takers. And if he hadn’t defected to Packer it would have been more.

I don’t think Tendulkar ever obtained the same levels of fear in the opposition though that Underwood did on a drying wicket. But I’d still rank Tendulkar in as high a level as Underwood in the Pantheon of Greatness.

Think about it. Kerry Packer didn’t sign up Bedi or Chandrasekhar or Prasanna or Venkataghavran. He recognised Deadly Derek as the world’s greatest spinner.

Both Tendulkar and Underwood share another trait too.

They both carried on too long and ruined their legacy by playing on as mediocrities.

 

[Hasan123]

Because he doesn't deserve it.

Come at me, bruh.

Do you even support India? Kohli is a tailender? Sachin doesn't deserve to be in the hall of fame ?

Name some batsmen you rate please.

 

[Sidilicious]

ROLFMAO. I am going to use that gif.

 

[Junaids]

Brilliant!

I think both Deadly and Sachin deserve to be in it, and I’m sure Sachin will be inducted as soon as he becomes eligible.

Because youngsters don’t know their history they think being compared to Deadly is an insult.

But it’s not. He finished as the second highest wicket taking spinner in history, just like Shane Warne now.

And he was only 12 wickets short of the world record, in spite of long suspensions for playing for Kerry Packer and Apartheid.

 

[Major]

That does make sense.

However, his name is such an obvious choice - should have been there from Day 1

problem is players often come out of retirement to play and to be in the hall of fame you need to be assured that you have retired.

 

[Romali_rotti]

IMO SRT is too big of a name to be accommodated into the ICC hall of fame. SRT can induct ICC to his list of choice if he was a governing body.. He is bigger than the game itself.

 

[Tusker]

Brilliant!

I think both Deadly and Sachin deserve to be in it, and I’m sure Sachin will be inducted as soon as he becomes eligible.

Because youngsters don’t know their history they think being compared to Deadly is an insult.

yeah like how you have explained Barry Richards batting technique is superior thru technical analysis, how bowlers are faster than baseball pitchers , how BCCI is dependent on ICC handouts, how technology was better in the 70s, how Marshall bowled at 160Ks, how Imrans team could regularly bat 2 days to save a test match , how Trueman is a better bowler than any modern bowler based on no.of balls bowled in FC cricket ... and so on and so forth?

At this point nobody takes you seriously and you are a laughing stock on the forum .

 

[Romali_rotti]

how Marshall bowled at 160Ks, .

LOL did he really say the above ? that's extraordinary even for his standards...

 

[Hawkeye]

IMO SRT is too big of a name to be accommodated into the ICC hall of fame. SRT can induct ICC to his list of choice if he was a governing body.. He is bigger than the game itself.

Okay now, cringe too has its limit.

 

[Tusker]

LOL did he really say the above ? that's extraordinary even for his standards...

He most certainly did say that .... but my fav [MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION] balderdash is that fast bowlers bowl faster than what baseball pitchers pitch in baseball because of runup ...

 

[Tusker]

LOL did he really say the above ? that's extraordinary even for his standards...

Here you go - 4th post in this thread : http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/showthread.php?208086-Is-Malcolm-Marshall-Underrated

Marshall was incredibly quick in the early 1980s - probably around 155-160K when he was battering the Indians from round the wicket in early 1983

and BTW he has also said that Thommo bowled at 170Ks

 

[Junaids]

yeah like how you have explained Barry Richards batting technique is superior thru technical analysis, how bowlers are faster than baseball pitchers , how BCCI is dependent on ICC handouts, how technology was better in the 70s, how Marshall bowled at 160Ks, how Imrans team could regularly bat 2 days to save a test match , how Trueman is a better bowler than any modern bowler based on no.of balls bowled in FC cricket ... and so on and so forth?

At this point nobody takes you seriously and you are a laughing stock on the forum .

I don't think there's any serious dispute that the Malcolm Marshall whom India encountered in the West Indies in 1982-83 was operating in the high 150's for speed.

We know that Andy Roberts had reached speeds of 157.4 K - UWA recorded it on 500 frames per second film in the most accurate speed trail ever conducted.

We know that Michael Holding had reached speeds of 153.2K in another study, and 150.67 as a youngster with the same UWA measurement.

Malcolm Marshall was much faster than either of them in the period 1980-83. There is every reason to think that he was touching 160K.

The fact that he later did what Hadlee and Lillee did, namely evolve from being an express bowler to a highly skilled fast-medium one doesn't change what India had to face in 1982-83.

Ask Mohinder Amarnath. Or Sunil Gavaskar.

 

[Tusker]

I don't think there's any serious dispute that the Malcolm Marshall whom India encountered in the West Indies in 1982-83 was operating in the high 150's for speed.

We know that Andy Roberts had reached speeds of 157.4 K - UWA recorded it on 500 frames per second film in the most accurate speed trail ever conducted.

We know that Michael Holding had reached speeds of 153.2K in another study, and 150.67 as a youngster with the same UWA measurement.

Malcolm Marshall was much faster than either of them in the period 1980-83. There is every reason to think that he was touching 160K.

The fact that he later did what Hadlee and Lillee did, namely evolve from being an express bowler to a highly skilled fast-medium one doesn't change what India had to face in 1982-83.

Ask Mohinder Amarnath. Or Sunil Gavaskar.

Got Evidence that I can see for myself and verify ? YOUR and OTHER Players words does NOT amount to any evidence whatsoever.

 

[Romali_rotti]

Here you go - 4th post in this thread : http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/showthread.php?208086-Is-Malcolm-Marshall-Underrated




and BTW he has also said that Thommo bowled at 170Ks

lol AT Marshall bowling at 160 ks ).... At best he was a mid 140 bowler at his quickest.... You just have to leave things as it is, I think a lot of us have established that Junaids is not to be taken seriously in a lot of things he says. Having said that he does possess some valid knowledge on other aspects.