Why Italians looks similar to Pakistanis?

[Giannis]

Its about time we pakistanis should stop being ashamed of our Indian heritage. We are who we are and that’s how the whole world sees us.

No such thing as "Indian heritage" and South Indians aren't even Indian in the true sense if you really want to get specific yet almost every "stereotype" about south asians comes from the western stereotypes of South Indians, so why should we identify with a label that has been misappropriated for the past 200 years. Also Nepal has far more in common with India than Pakistan - they're Hindus and also Indo-Aryans so would you say Nepalis are also Indian?

 

[Bi_Jamalo]

Over 80% of Pakistani population is made up of Punjabis, Siraikis, Sindhis and Muhajirs. All of whom are to a large extent ‘indic’ people with shared ancestry, language and culture with Hindus living across the border. Pakistan is a country is only 75 yrs old but the shared history goes back thousands of years.

 

[Bi_Jamalo]

No such thing as "Indian heritage" and South Indians aren't even Indian in the true sense if you really want to get specific yet almost every "stereotype" about south asians comes from the western stereotypes of South Indians, so why should we identify with a label that has been misappropriated for the past 200 years. Also Nepal has far more in common with India than Pakistan - they're Hindus and also Indo-Aryans so would you say Nepalis are also Indian?

Thats a mute point, so no point wasting time in discussing it. You obviously knew what i meant i.e North indian.

Having said that we do have pockets of south indian origin ppl in Pakistan for e.g i ve friends from Muhajir background whose families migrated from Madras, Hyderabad (india) etc, then there are Brahui ppl in Balochistan and so on.

 

[amax]

Over 80% of Pakistani population is made up of Punjabis, Siraikis, Sindhis and Muhajirs. All of whom are to a large extent ‘indic’ people with shared ancestry, language and culture with Hindus living across the border. Pakistan is a country is only 75 yrs old but the shared history goes back thousands of years.

indic is just a language term like indo iranian or indo european , indic means indo aryan , punjabi , sindhis seraikis are not found vast majority of india at all , heck sindhis and seraikis doesnt even exist in india AFAIK , muhajirs are small minority because of being an educated community in earlier years of pakistan become more relevant in academia and diaspora and started governing the intellectual discourse of country and these are the people most obscessed with terms like desi , indian roots and all that . Major groups of pakistan are what I have listed. If you want to talk about genetics of various pakistani groups , we can talk about it too.

 

[Bi_Jamalo]

? Not sure what to make out of your confusing post.

Languages are an spectrum, so of-course you ve many indian ppl (like gujratis, rajhastanis, Haryanvis etc) speaking very similar and related languages to Punjabi, siraiki and Sindhi (not to mention urdu being almost fully mutually intelligible to Hindustani). Do some basic google research and you will find out what i mean. As for Muhajirs being a small minority, not really because they make up almost 8% of the population and are centered in the urban areas. On a closer look Pakistan itself is much more diverse than what you may be aware of.

 

[amax]

? Not sure what to make out of your confusing post.

Languages are an spectrum, so of-course you ve many indian ppl (like gujratis, rajhastanis, Haryanvis etc) speaking very similar and related languages to Punjabi, siraiki and Sindhi (not to mention urdu being almost fully mutually intelligible to Hindustani). Do some basic google research and you will find out what i mean. As for Muhajirs being a small minority, not really because they make up almost 8% of the population and are centered in the urban areas. On a closer look Pakistan itself is much more diverse than what you may be aware of.

I cant understand , gujrati and rajasthani at all nor do any other pakistanis , haryanvi is only spoken by some people around multan region and its called ranghri.

you yourself are confused, you are constanly mentioning few dozen tamil families of karachi that are immigrants, but are conviniently ignoring 45 million pashto speakers who are real natives and share much more with their neighboring countrymen than random tamil immigrants.

 

[Giannis]

Thats a mute point, so no point wasting time in discussing it. You obviously knew what i meant i.e North indian.

Having said that we do have pockets of south indian origin ppl in Pakistan for e.g i ve friends from Muhajir background whose families migrated from Madras, Hyderabad (india) etc, then there are Brahui ppl in Balochistan and so on.

yeah but those people are a few thousand and barely make up fraction of karachi let alone the rest of Pakistan. Also a lot of Muslims especially the Muslim elite in south India were Urdu-speakers from UP that settled in the south during Islamic imperial expansion in southern india but besides that they don't make up more than a fraction of Pakistan's population, if tomorrow a several thousand Bulgarians migrated to Pakistan and became citizens, I can't just say Pakistanis have a "slavic heritage".

 

[Giannis]

indic is just a language term like indo iranian or indo european , indic means indo aryan , punjabi , sindhis seraikis are not found vast majority of india at all , heck sindhis and seraikis doesnt even exist in india AFAIK , muhajirs are small minority because of being an educated community in earlier years of pakistan become more relevant in academia and diaspora and started governing the intellectual discourse of country and these are the people most obscessed with terms like desi , indian roots and all that . Major groups of pakistan are what I have listed. If you want to talk about genetics of various pakistani groups , we can talk about it too.

I wouldn't say Urdu-speakers care about the "desi label" or indic roots, at least from my experience in America most don't care about that stuff. Also a lot of Urdu-speakers tend to take "pride" in possibly having Turkic or Pashtun roots. This pan-indian/desi propaganda is mostly the work of Indians stemming from Hindu nationalism.

 

[Giannis]

I cant understand , gujrati and rajasthani at all nor do any other pakistanis , haryanvi is only spoken by some people around multan region and its called ranghri.

you yourself are confused, you are constanly mentioning few dozen tamil families of karachi that are immigrants, but are conviniently ignoring 45 million pashto speakers who are real natives and share much more with their neighboring countrymen than random tamil immigrants.

To be fair, there a lot of Pakistanis of Gujarati origin in Karachi, most of the Pakistani Ismailis in America do speak Gujarati and Jinnah was one himself but yeah these communities only number in a few hundred thousand so don't have as much influence on Pakistan's national identity.

 

[amax]

I wouldn't say Urdu-speakers care about the "desi label" or indic roots, at least from my experience in America most don't care about that stuff. Also a lot of Urdu-speakers tend to take "pride" in possibly having Turkic or Pashtun roots. This pan-indian/desi propaganda is mostly the work of Indians stemming from Hindu nationalism.

I have seen it online quite a bit on various online platforms , whenever pakistanis talk about their uniqueness and indivisuality based on facts pertaining to history of their land , these karachi types pop up with desi , indic roots rants , as if they feel ousted probably .
But you cant be sure about lot of people posting as pakistanis online as I wouldnt be surprised if like 80% posts on pakistan every where from youtube comment section to quora trace their origins to microsoft tech support centers and other call centers.

 

[Giannis]

I have seen it online quite a bit on various online platforms , whenever pakistanis talk about their uniqueness and indivisuality based on facts pertaining to history of their land , these karachi types pop up with desi , indic roots rants , as if they feel ousted probably .
But you cant be sure about lot of people posting as pakistanis online as I wouldnt be surprised if like 80% posts on pakistan every where from youtube comment section to quora trace their origins to microsoft tech support centers and other call centers.

Yeah. Most Urdu-speakers don't care about pan-indian nationalism or whatever, it's mostly fake accounts.

 

[Bi_Jamalo]

I cant understand , gujrati and rajasthani at all nor do any other pakistanis , haryanvi is only spoken by some people around multan region and its called ranghri.

you yourself are confused, you are constanly mentioning few dozen tamil families of karachi that are immigrants, but are conviniently ignoring 45 million pashto speakers who are real natives and share much more with their neighboring countrymen than random tamil immigrants.

So just because ‘you’ can’t understand it doesnt make it a universal fact. Point is that these languages spoken in pakistan arent language isolates, they evolved as linguistic spectrum together with the neighbouring languages. For example there is a high level of mutual intelligibility between Sindhi and Memoni (spoken in western Gujrat). Not to mention 4 million Indian sindhis. As for Rajhastani, have a read: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rajasthani_language

Pashto speakers are only 18% of pakistans population and obviously have no commonality with other indic languages and are confined to a relatively small area in north west, so what’s the point of discussing them.

 

[Napa]

what is indian heritage ? pakistan is a multi ethnic country with following large ethnicities

Punjabis
Pashtuns
Sindhis
Balochs
seraiki
and dardic groups

overwhelming majority of pakistanis belong to these ethnicities and they are native to the land they live in , and overwhelming majority of indians dont , its your ethnicity that is native to land that decide your heirtage and folk lore connections. Pakistan definitely share to a certain degree with all its neighbours but thats about it.

Racialy pakistanis are a dark haired , dark eyed population with wheatish pigmentation , personally i can tell a group of 5 random pakistanis, from any group in the world 90% of the time and this include indians as well , thats like saying germans are of french heirtage because they can appear similar to outsiders.

No such thing as "Indian heritage" and South Indians aren't even Indian in the true sense if you really want to get specific yet almost every "stereotype" about south asians comes from the western stereotypes of South Indians, so why should we identify with a label that has been misappropriated for the past 200 years. Also Nepal has far more in common with India than Pakistan - they're Hindus and also Indo-Aryans so would you say Nepalis are also Indian?

Over 80% of Pakistani population is made up of Punjabis, Siraikis, Sindhis and Muhajirs. All of whom are to a large extent ‘indic’ people with shared ancestry, language and culture with Hindus living across the border. Pakistan is a country is only 75 yrs old but the shared history goes back thousands of years.

If you guys want to know the scientific answers to the question of South Asian populations ethnicity, heritage and shared ancestry with Europeans, Chinese, Arabs etc. read these articles:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Y-DNA_haplogroups_in_populations_of_South_Asia

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetics_and_archaeogenetics_of_South_Asia

 

[Napa]

If you guys want to know the scientific answers to the question of South Asian populations ethnicity, heritage and shared ancestry with Europeans, Chinese, Arabs etc. read these articles:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Y-DNA_haplogroups_in_populations_of_South_Asia

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetics_and_archaeogenetics_of_South_Asia

Of course the sample sizes are small so the results are not definitive, but they are still a lot better than arguing about who looks like Italians or not.

The Y chromosome haplogroup for the patrilineal Indo-European ancestry is R and it’s descendants R1 and R2. You can look at the tables in the Wiki articles to figure out the ancestry of different South Asian communities

 

[Giannis]

Of course the sample sizes are small so the results are not definitive, but they are still a lot better than arguing about who looks like Italians or not.

The Y chromosome haplogroup for the patrilineal Indo-European ancestry is R and it’s descendants R1 and R2. You can look at the tables in the Wiki articles to figure out the ancestry of different South Asian communities

This thread isn't about genetics, just cause there maybe a remote resemblance of ethnic groups doesn't mean there has to be a genetic connection - for example a lot of people from Indian southern half tend to resemble Africans but that doesn't mean there's a genetic connection. Btw your y-dna is only 3% of of your genome, not all your looks come from one part of your genome - a lot of high caste indians have R1a ydna which indicates Aryan ancestry but no one in their right mind would say modern day Indians look anything like the people of the Pontic-Caspian steppe where the Aryans originated from.

 

[Napa]

This thread isn't about genetics, just cause there maybe a remote resemblance of ethnic groups doesn't mean there has to be a genetic connection - for example a lot of people from Indian southern half tend to resemble Africans but that doesn't mean there's a genetic connection. Btw your y-dna is only 3% of of your genome, not all your looks come from one part of your genome - a lot of high caste indians have R1a ydna which indicates Aryan ancestry but no one in their right mind would say modern day Indians look anything like the people of the Pontic-Caspian steppe where the Aryans originated from.

Pontic-Caspain etc. are old-fashioned theories that came before population genetics data and will soon be redundant. DNA doesn’t lie.

Obviously posters here are trying to make claims about shared ancestry from alleged similarities in appearance.

The implication from Y haplogroup frequencies isn’t about genome percentage, it is about shared ancestry.

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[Giannis]

Pontic-Caspain etc. are old-fashioned theories that came before population genetics data and will soon be redundant. DNA doesn’t lie.

Obviously posters here are trying to make claims about shared ancestry from alleged similarities in appearance.

The implication from Y haplogroup frequencies isn’t about genome percentage, it is about shared ancestry.

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Lol you know nothing about genetics - recent genetic studies do confirm steppe ancestry in South Asia. The Proto-Indo-European people originate from the Pontic Caspian steppe and Y-dna in south asia and eastern europe confirm this. Besides most Indo-European speakers from South Asia Y-dna that indicates PIE ancestry, you need to understand that your Y-dna is not your autosomal dna - you inherit your traits from an entire genome and not just 1 chromosome, your Y-dna is passed down from your paternal line, just cause you and your paternal Great-Great-Great-Grandfather have the exact same Ydna doesn't mean you share most of your DNA with or that you'd resemble them as you do inherit DNA from your mother and all of your other ancestors on your other lines.

I've noticed this trend online of south 'indians' trying to play up their similarities with Indo-European speakers in south asia and desperately trying to disprove that Indo-Europeans originate from the around Caucasus area. This stems from an insecurity that a lot of southern Indians have for obvious reasons.

 

[street cricketer]

I've noticed this trend online of south 'indians' trying to play up their similarities with Indo-European speakers in south asia and desperately trying to disprove that Indo-Europeans originate from the around Caucasus area. This stems from an insecurity that a lot of southern Indians have for obvious reasons.

There's so much wrong in this post I don't know where to start.

The poster you're talking to is a Bengali. Dravidians are the biggest supporters of Aryan invasion/migration theory and could care less for the "Indo-European" or "Indo-Aryan" group of languages or ancestry. I mean, there's a reason so many anti hindi imposition movements happened in south India back in the day.

The only ones who don't agree with the AIT/AMT and the Caucasian origin of Indo-European group of people are the Hindu nationalists and upper caste hindus, as they believe in the "out of India" theory. You keep shouting down people that they know nothing but you run your mouth on things you don't have an iota of idea about. Maybe have a look in the mirror.

 

[Giannis]

There's so much wrong in this post I don't know where to start.

The poster you're talking to is a Bengali. Dravidians are the biggest supporters of Aryan invasion/migration theory and could care less for the "Indo-European" or "Indo-Aryan" group of languages or ancestry. I mean, there's a reason so many anti hindi imposition movements happened in south India back in the day.

The only ones who don't agree with the AIT/AMT and the Caucasian origin of Indo-European group of people are the Hindu nationalists and upper caste hindus, as they believe in the "out of India" theory. You keep shouting down people that they know nothing but you run your mouth on things you don't have an iota of idea about. Maybe have a look in the mirror.

You can't speak for my experience - I've noticed this pattern of mostly south Indians (the nationalitic Indian ones) that try to downplay the origins of the Proto-Indo-Europeans and also desperately try to play up their similarities with north Indians and even Pakistanis. That's what I've observed, we can all base our opinions off anecdotes just like you have in this thread.

 

[street cricketer]

You can't speak for my experience - I've noticed this pattern of mostly south Indians (the nationalitic Indian ones) that try to downplay the origins of the Proto-Indo-Europeans and also desperately try to play up their similarities with north Indians and even Pakistanis. That's what I've observed, we can all base our opinions off anecdotes just like you have in this thread.

I mean, I can say I've seen many Palestinians supporting Israel, but it wouldn't make any sense as the reality is completely opposite to what I would be saying. This is a bit like that, you would know if you understand the foundations of Dravidian movement, the main objective of which is to differentiate and highlight the distinctness of the Dravidian origins and history from the origins and history of the Indo Aryan group of people.

We don't have many things in common with many of the people of our own country, why would we be want to relate our history with Pakistanis, it hardly makes sense. North Indians and Pakistanis have more things in common between themselves than south indians and north indians, except the religion bit. The only south indians you may have come cross with such opinions may be south indian brahmins, in which case, it is completely plausible.

 

[Napa]

I mean, I can say I've seen many Palestinians supporting Israel, but it wouldn't make any sense as the reality is completely opposite to what I would be saying. This is a bit like that, you would know if you understand the foundations of Dravidian movement, the main objective of which is to differentiate and highlight the distinctness of the Dravidian origins and history from the origins and history of the Indo Aryan group of people.

We don't have many things in common with many of the people of our own country, why would we be want to relate our history with Pakistanis, it hardly makes sense. North Indians and Pakistanis have more things in common between themselves than south indians and north indians, except the religion bit. The only south indians you may have come cross with such opinions may be south indian brahmins, in which case, it is completely plausible.

You are right that anyone can claim something absurd allegedly based on "personal experience".

South Indians are some of the most accomplished South Asians, with multiple Nobel laureates, the sublime genius Ramanujan, CEOs like Pichai and Nadella etc. To think that they are as a group jealous of other South Asians is hilarious. Also, in this century, the South has been more civilized and prosperous than the North.

As for genetics, patrilineal ancestry (Y-chromosome) and matrilineal ancestry (mtDNA) are quick indicators of the percentage origins modern populations. mtDNA is geographically static, whereas Y-chromosome shows great geographical dispersion (the Indo-European R or R1 stretches all the way from Assam to Ireland and more recently on to the Americas).

Theories about whether PIE originated in India or outside India are biased by the researchers preconceptions, but with time and more population DNA data there may be a resolution. Not that it really matters anyway, people are what they accomplish in life, not where their ancestors came from.

 

[JAI- a Cricket fan]

actually pakistanis look like Argentinians , example - Yasir Shah and Messi..

 

[irfan]

actually pakistanis look like Argentinians , example - Yasir Shah and Messi..

and many Argentinians have Italian ancestry due to high immigration from italy in C19/20th as Arg was one of the wealthiest countries in the world , Messi is mostly Italian.

 

[street cricketer]

and many Argentinians have Italian ancestry due to high immigration from italy in C19/20th as Arg was one of the wealthiest countries in the world , Messi is mostly Italian.

Messi, in all honesty, does sound like an Italian name.

 

[street cricketer]

You are right that anyone can claim something absurd allegedly based on "personal experience".

South Indians are some of the most accomplished South Asians, with multiple Nobel laureates, the sublime genius Ramanujan, CEOs like Pichai and Nadella etc. To think that they are as a group jealous of other South Asians is hilarious. Also, in this century, the South has been more civilized and prosperous than the North.

As for genetics, patrilineal ancestry (Y-chromosome) and matrilineal ancestry (mtDNA) are quick indicators of the percentage origins modern populations. mtDNA is geographically static, whereas Y-chromosome shows great geographical dispersion (the Indo-European R or R1 stretches all the way from Assam to Ireland and more recently on to the Americas).

Theories about whether PIE originated in India or outside India are biased by the researchers preconceptions, but with time and more population DNA data there may be a resolution. Not that it really matters anyway, people are what they accomplish in life, not where their ancestors came from.

It is very likely that the ancestors of south indians and the ancestors of north indians had separate distinct origins, but I don't see why we have to be so hung up about something that happened way way back. People sometimes get so obsessed about history that they tend to ignore the present. I don't think we need to make a big deal about the Aryan invasion/migration theory as you can't change what happened in the past. Ultimately the ancestors of us were all immigrants to the subcontinent, just in different time periods and they were all immigrants who came from Africa anyway. Most nations have a blend of different races and it's completely understandable that a nation like India that has probably the most diversity in the world is a blend of many races. It is not necessary that every nation should have just a single race to be called a nation. The USA is a melting pot of so many races and it's the strongest country on the earth.

The part about south indians being jealous of other south asians was frankly bizarre to me as well. It's not a high bar, but south India is arguably the best place to live in the subcontinent, thanks to all the social and economic development it has undergone over the years since independence, but that said, south India still has a long way to go. It still has all the societal ills that plague the subcontinent and need to develop further more at a fast rate without stalling. It is how the south east regions of China became the economic hub of the country and cities like Shenzen transformed from a quaint little fishing town to arguably the technological capital of the world.

 

[Napa]

It is very likely that the ancestors of south indians and the ancestors of north indians had separate distinct origins, but I don't see why we have to be so hung up about something that happened way way back.

While there were people of different ethnicities who originated or came to the South Asian subcontinent, it is important to remember that there has been intermixing for over three thousand years. So the Chenchu tribals show a 26% R1a patrilineal ancestry, equal to or greater than Greeks and Iranians (who have been successively overrun by Arabs, Mongols and Turks thus diluting their patrilineal Indo-European ancestry).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_R1a

The most common patrilineal ancestry that is observed throughout India is haplogroup H, which is the Dravidian ancestry. It is present in very significant amounts even in North India.

So, while there are differences in frequencies in different communities (more Indo-European ancestry at an average in the North and among upper castes), all communities share significant amounts of common ancestry.

 

[street cricketer]

While there were people of different ethnicities who originated or came to the South Asian subcontinent, it is important to remember that there has been intermixing for over three thousand years. So the Chenchu tribals show a 26% R1a patrilineal ancestry, equal to or greater than Greeks and Iranians (who have been successively overrun by Arabs, Mongols and Turks thus diluting their patrilineal Indo-European ancestry).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_R1a

The most common patrilineal ancestry that is observed throughout India is haplogroup H, which is the Dravidian ancestry. It is present in very significant amounts even in North India.

So, while there are differences in frequencies in different communities (more Indo-European ancestry at an average in the North and among upper castes), all communities share significant amounts of common ancestry.

Yes. This is very much true.

 

[PakLFC]

Its about time we pakistanis should stop being ashamed of our Indian heritage. We are who we are and that’s how the whole world sees us.

Pakistanis are Punjabi's, Sindhi's, Baloch, Pathan and Saraiki to name a few groups. Even today all these groups are a minority in India. Only under the Moghul's followed by the British were these groups merged with India otherwise have always been a separate people. Other then perhaps Punjabi's the similarities between Pakistanis and Indians are incredibly overrated.

 

[Bi_Jamalo]

Pakistanis are Punjabi's, Sindhi's, Baloch, Pathan and Saraiki to name a few groups. Even today all these groups are a minority in India. Only under the Moghul's followed by the British were these groups merged with India otherwise have always been a separate people. Other then perhaps Punjabi's the similarities between Pakistanis and Indians are incredibly overrated.

Really? I don’t think so. Either you have limited exposure to various Indian and Pakistani people or don’t want to admit it. In addition to punjabis: Sindhis, Siraikis and Muhajirs all are typical “indian” looking and sounding people. Be proud of your heritage, rather than be ashamed of it.

Only Pathans and Baloch are distinct but together they dont even make up 20% of Pakistans population.

 

[Bi_Jamalo]

Try ever visiting Arabic countries, Iran and Turkey to see how we Pakistanis are treated and perceived there. Almost in all cases, we are just lumped together with Indians. Just because some of us have Syed, Qureshi or Pasha in names doesn’t automatically get us accepted as Arabs or Turks in the respective countries.

I ve been to several Arab countries and Turkey, so am speaking from 1st hand observation.

 

[Saj]

Try ever visiting Arabic countries, Iran and Turkey to see how we Pakistanis are treated and perceived there. Almost in all cases, we are just lumped together with Indians. Just because some of us have Syed, Qureshi or Pasha in names doesn’t automatically get us accepted as Arabs or Turks in the respective countries.

I ve been to several Arab countries and Turkey, so am speaking from 1st hand observation.

From my experience the Turks don't mind Pakistanis and by and large respect them and like Pakistan. Different matter though when it comes to Arab countries.

 

[Bi_Jamalo]

Respect yes but they dont consider us related to them in anyway beyond religious commonality. An average Turk is almost always looking west wards for ethnical affiliation rather than eastwards.

Their history, architecture etc as exemplified in the Topkapi palace is full of the evidences of this.

 

[Saj]

Respect yes but they dont consider us related to them in anyway beyond religious commonality. An average Turk is almost always looking west wards for ethnical affiliation rather than eastwards.

Their history, architecture etc as exemplified in the Topkapi palace is full of the evidences of this.

They seem to have a big liking for the Russian currency these days, rather than the pound or dollar.

 

[srh]

In this Euro cup final, have not seen any Italian player yet who would not pass as a Pakistani too.

 

[TM Riddle]

Its about time we pakistanis should stop being ashamed of our Indian heritage. We are who we are and that’s how the whole world sees us.

What exactly is an Indian heritage?

 

[Bi_Jamalo]

What exactly is an Indian heritage?

Try reading the posts above.

 

[PakLFC]

Really? I don’t think so. Either you have limited exposure to various Indian and Pakistani people or don’t want to admit it. In addition to punjabis: Sindhis, Siraikis and Muhajirs all are typical “indian” looking and sounding people. Be proud of your heritage, rather than be ashamed of it.

Only Pathans and Baloch are distinct but together they dont even make up 20% of Pakistans population.

Rather I suggest you read up on history instead of lumping us all together. I am not claiming for Pakistanis to be Afghans, Turks or Arabs like many Pakistanis but we have little common with the Tamils and such other people of your country. Almost all white people appear similar which is not to suggest they have the same heritage. Rather I would say some Indian's like the Punjabis are Pakistani looking! Indian people do not own the subcontinent like you have been taught since time began. There are many African looking people in Pakistan too.

 

[Bi_Jamalo]

Rather I suggest you read up on history instead of lumping us all together. I am not claiming for Pakistanis to be Afghans, Turks or Arabs like many Pakistanis but we have little common with the Tamils and such other people of your country. Almost all white people appear similar which is not to suggest they have the same heritage. Rather I would say some Indian's like the Punjabis are Pakistani looking! Indian people do not own the subcontinent like you have been taught since time began. There are many African looking people in Pakistan too.

Not that i need any certificate from you (nor do i care) but unlike many here, I am a born and bred Pakistani. You seem to ve a narrow view of what an Indian or Pakistani is, so try educating yourself.

Both of the countries are multiethnic but the overlaps go beyond what you think. True that we dont have commonality with “All” indian peoples but just like languages its (i.e. the culture, food, looks, ethnicity etc) are a continuous spectrum from west to east.

 

[PakLFC]

Not that i need any certificate from you (nor do i care) but unlike many here, I am a born and bred Pakistani. You seem to ve a narrow view of what an Indian or Pakistani is, so try educating yourself.

Both of the countries are multiethnic but the overlaps go beyond what you think. True that we dont have commonality with “All” indian peoples but just like languages its (i.e. the culture, food, looks, ethnicity etc) are a continuous spectrum from west to east.

I am well educated, thanks. I suggest you do some research on this subject before expressing your views that are as relevant or irrelevant as mine. We have nothing in common with most not all Indian people. I have never bought this Indian's and Pakistanis are from the same mother type of rubbish. The sixth degree of separation theory makes much more sense to me. Why not have a DNA test done for an accurate record of your roots instead of forcing your Indian complex on us. I had one done years back learning there was some Italian and Iranian blood in me too.

 

[Bi_Jamalo]

Why so?

Did some supernatural phenomena occurred 74 years ago that dramatically altered the genetic and cultural profile of people living on either side of an imaginary line?

As your dna test , good that it cleared your doubts and i hope gave u the answers you were lookig for but not sure why you consider yourself representative of all pakistanis?
Reg the genetic research of a wider population sample, Someone has already provided the link to genetic studies/research on this topic. Go and read it .

 

[pillionrider]

Well I guess Pakistanis should be celebrating today then. It's the closest to a world tournament win they'll be seeing anytime soon

 

[Mesozoic]

Italians (specially the ones in the South) have not much but considerable Middle Eastern/West Asian ancestry. Sicilians look more like Arabs than say German or French.

So no surprises that they look like Pakistanis, who themselves are descended directly from Arabs, Turks and Persians.

 

[El Generico]

Well I guess Pakistanis should be celebrating today then. It's the closest to a world tournament win they'll be seeing anytime soon

In soccer or sports in general? You are right if you meant soccer but in sports like cricket Pakistan has won a world event more recently than India has. So this jibe doesn’t make sense.

 

[Sirris]

99.9% of Italians look nothing like Pakistani people.

Cringe!

 

[Giannis]

Why so?

Did some supernatural phenomena occurred 74 years ago that dramatically altered the genetic and cultural profile of people living on either side of an imaginary line?

As your dna test , good that it cleared your doubts and i hope gave u the answers you were lookig for but not sure why you consider yourself representative of all pakistanis?
Reg the genetic research of a wider population sample, Someone has already provided the link to genetic studies/research on this topic. Go and read it .

You do realize genetic and phenotypic variation has always existed in the subcontinent? Pakistan is located in the northwest of the subcontinent so will obviously be a little different from other regions within south asia. That "someone" that linked a "genetic study" is an Indian nationalist and doesn't even know a thing about genetics - to summarize, Pakistanis in general along with Northwest Indians (areas near Pakistan) tend to have more (Pontic-Caspian) Steppe ancestry than most other south Asians on most of these ancestry tests. If you want to know about Pakistani genetics I'd suggest watching PahariKawa on Tiktok or reading some of ArainGangs blogs on medium, both of those of guys are very well versed in south asian genetics and history

 

[PakLFC]

Why so?

Did some supernatural phenomena occurred 74 years ago that dramatically altered the genetic and cultural profile of people living on either side of an imaginary line?

As your dna test , good that it cleared your doubts and i hope gave u the answers you were lookig for but not sure why you consider yourself representative of all pakistanis?
Reg the genetic research of a wider population sample, Someone has already provided the link to genetic studies/research on this topic. Go and read it .

I got honest answers not the ones that people with an Indian complex like you wanted. I consider myself an individual like all Pakistanis, we could all very well come from different backgrounds if we scratched the surface. Going back millions of years t is stupid to say all Pakistanis or any people for that matter have the same background. I don't need to read anything when an authentic DNS test is good enough for me. You can have one done too only that it may disappoint your endless love for wanting to be so very Indian.

 

[mazkhan]

This is a cringe thread to be honest

Pakistani are a south Asian people and look nothing like Europeans.

End of story

Pakistanis are a mix of Indian and Middle Eastern types, we are closer genetically and culturally, linguistically to indians than italians . Do italians wear turbans , sherwani or eat samosas ?

I.e the Northern Western parts of the country the people look like iranians , Afghans and some could pass of as turks Iraqis and Kurds.

The Eastern parts and South the people are similar to North indians with some odd people here and there who will look like iranian or pathan

 

[Bi_Jamalo]

I got honest answers not the ones that people with an Indian complex like you wanted. I consider myself an individual like all Pakistanis, we could all very well come from different backgrounds if we scratched the surface. Going back millions of years t is stupid to say all Pakistanis or any people for that matter have the same background. I don't need to read anything when an authentic DNS test is good enough for me. You can have one done too only that it may disappoint your endless love for wanting to be so very Indian.

Well you can carry on living with your identity complex and keep on being proud of “some” Italian and Iranian in you. Not every one is ashamed of who they are.

Both of my parents were born in India (so were all of my grandparents), so I am happy to recognise my ancestral place of origin. They made a conscious decision to migrate to Pakistan. Having said that i am over 6 ft tall and often gets confused for being from middle east, still doesn’t make me want to denounce my actual ethnicity and start claiming to be an Arab.

 

[Bi_Jamalo]

This is a cringe thread to be honest

Pakistani are a south Asian people and look nothing like Europeans.

End of story

Pakistanis are a mix of Indian and Middle Eastern types, we are closer genetically and culturally, linguistically to indians than italians . Do italians wear turbans , sherwani or eat samosas ?

I.e the Northern Western parts of the country the people look like iranians , Afghans and some could pass of as turks Iraqis and Kurds.

The Eastern parts and South the people are similar to North indians with some odd people here and there who will look like iranian or pathan

+1 and fully agree.

Some people are just ashamed of who they are and suffer from inferiority complex. No matter how much Italian they will want to see in the mirror, the world will still see them as what they actually are.

 

[PakLFC]

Well you can carry on living with your identity complex and keep on being proud of “some” Italian and Iranian in you. Not every one is ashamed of who they are.

Both of my parents were born in India (so were all of my grandparents), so I am happy to recognise my ancestral place of origin. They made a conscious decision to migrate to Pakistan. Having said that i am over 6 ft tall and often gets confused for being from middle east, still doesn’t make me want to denounce my actual ethnicity and start claiming to be an Arab.

Where did I say I was proud to be anything other hen Pakistani? So what if your forefathers were born in India as was the case here as well. Only difference is you are an Indian wannabe where as I simply don't care who was born where. I live in the present that is all that matters. Why are you telling me about your Arab like appearance besides many of them are of average height. People like you who love India so much for stupid reasons should be thrown back there, that is what I would do had I the power to do so.

 

[PakLFC]

Well you can carry on living with your identity complex and keep on being proud of “some” Italian and Iranian in you. Not every one is ashamed of who they are.

Both of my parents were born in India (so were all of my grandparents), so I am happy to recognise my ancestral place of origin. They made a conscious decision to migrate to Pakistan. Having said that i am over 6 ft tall and often gets confused for being from middle east, still doesn’t make me want to denounce my actual ethnicity and start claiming to be an Arab.

As is the case with million's of other Pakistanis too. Get over it! This is 2021 not 1921.

 

[hamid.s]

As a Bangladeshi, enjoying all these back and forth. Most of us (90% or so) looks like Indians with obvious east Indian features and skin tones. Why? Coz that is who we are. Some are few shades lighter coz of Persian/Arab settlers but that is not the majority.

Happy to be who I am Alhamdulillah. Won't change it for anything.

 

[Bi_Jamalo]

Where did I say I was proud to be anything other hen Pakistani? So what if your forefathers were born in India as was the case here as well. Only difference is you are an Indian wannabe where as I simply don't care who was born where. I live in the present that is all that matters. Why are you telling me about your Arab like appearance besides many of them are of average height. People like you who love India so much for stupid reasons should be thrown back there, that is what I would do had I the power to do so.

Yet you are looking for the Italian connection via DNA tests.

 

[Bi_Jamalo]

As a Bangladeshi, enjoying all these back and forth. Most of us (90% or so) looks like Indians with obvious east Indian features and skin tones. Why? Coz that is who we are. Some are few shades lighter coz of Persian/Arab settlers but that is not the majority.

Happy to be who I am Alhamdulillah. Won't change it for anything.

Good on you bro. Self respect is very important in life.

 

[PakLFC]

Yet you are looking for the Italian connection via DNA tests.

That is a fact the DNA test provided yet I am only Pakistani by heritage not a wannabe nothing. It does not matter to me where my ancestors were born before i came in to the world. It is only people like you who suffer from an massive inferiority complex that go back in some comfort zoneperiod before they were born to prove some silly point. Instead of going back a hundred years to find your so called roots why not do so a million years?? You don't know the history of India yourself of how many parts it originally was. As Imran Khan often rightfully says I never live in the past, it is history that just doesn't matter. What matters is the period we live in and die. Never mind your chacha Ghalib fantasies and what not!

 

[PakLFC]

Millions of Indians like Dilip Kumar have their roots in what is now Pakistan. To me they are simply Indian, that's all.

 

[Local.Dada]

Millions of Indians like Dilip Kumar have their roots in what is now Pakistan. To me they are simply Indian, that's all.

Are you seriously not getting it? This thread is funny because in India just like in Pakistan for every 1-2 who look like Hrithik Roshan or Aishwarya Rai there are a 10,000 others who look no different from the Rashid,Latifs or Sarfaraz Ahmed or Babar Azams of the world. Now beauty is in the eye of the beholder so to each his own but the generalization after watching a few soccer players that Italians look like Pakistanis is dumb. Case in point I just saw the Pakistan 2nd match and apart from Shaheen Afridi who looks like a Eastern European (Azerbaijan, Khazkisthan etc one of those countries) every body looks as desi as it gets. In fact they look no different from Bangladeshis or a couple even can pass of as Srilankans (I don’t mean that in a condescending way).

It’s amusing how Pakistanis want to be something different than accepting their own heritage. Every one seems to want to be a descendant of someone rather than being themselves. And before the India counter it’s a typical Desi mentality and a lot of Indians are no different if that makes you feel better.

 

[PakLFC]

Are you seriously not getting it? This thread is funny because in India just like in Pakistan for every 1-2 who look like Hrithik Roshan or Aishwarya Rai there are a 10,000 others who look no different from the Rashid,Latifs or Sarfaraz Ahmed or Babar Azams of the world. Now beauty is in the eye of the beholder so to each his own but the generalization after watching a few soccer players that Italians look like Pakistanis is dumb. Case in point I just saw the Pakistan 2nd match and apart from Shaheen Afridi who looks like a Eastern European (Azerbaijan, Khazkisthan etc one of those countries) every body looks as desi as it gets. In fact they look no different from Bangladeshis or a couple even can pass of as Srilankans (I don’t mean that in a condescending way).

It’s amusing how Pakistanis want to be something different than accepting their own heritage. Every one seems to want to be a descendant of someone rather than being themselves. And before the India counter it’s a typical Desi mentality and a lot of Indians are no different if that makes you feel better.

I am getting it good and well. What you fail to understand is that neighbours often do look alike that does not mean they are identical. See the similarities between the Aussies and New Zealanders, American's and Canadian's then all Europeans too but they never tell the world "we are historically the same people". How about African people too? I have said so before on this thread that the Pakistanis look nothing like the Italians at all or even the Arab's or Persian's. There are millions of Pakistanis who suffer from a massive Arab complex too. So what exactly is your point here? Mines is that people from neighbouring countries having similar appearance does not mean they are historically the same.

You see I can not go back a million years to verify what your India looked liked then but i have often read that Indian people came from African backgrounds. There is no special race, all are linked to each other one way or another. Keep in mind how hundreds of millions of people are the result of numerous inter racial marriages too. You could go back in history to see how an ancestor could easily be a blue blooded Brit from imperialist times. By the way Hrithik's ex wife Suzanne Khan claims to be of Persian background.

 

[Giannis]

As a Bangladeshi, enjoying all these back and forth. Most of us (90% or so) looks like Indians with obvious east Indian features and skin tones. Why? Coz that is who we are. Some are few shades lighter coz of Persian/Arab settlers but that is not the majority.

Happy to be who I am Alhamdulillah. Won't change it for anything.

If by East Indian you mean actual East Indians like Bengalis then no most of us don't look Bengali. Every ethnicity in south asia has distinct facial features especially Bengalis, you can usually tell someone is Bengali like 8 out of 10 times

 

[Giannis]

Well you can carry on living with your identity complex and keep on being proud of “some” Italian and Iranian in you. Not every one is ashamed of who they are.

Both of my parents were born in India (so were all of my grandparents), so I am happy to recognise my ancestral place of origin. They made a conscious decision to migrate to Pakistan. Having said that i am over 6 ft tall and often gets confused for being from middle east, still doesn’t make me want to denounce my actual ethnicity and start claiming to be an Arab.

If your parents were born in colonial India then you must be really old because it's been 3-4 generations since the partition, both my parents were born in Pakistan and so were my grandmothers. I know older Pakistanis are still obsessed with India because the partition was more recent for you.

 

[Bi_Jamalo]

If your parents were born in colonial India then you must be really old because it's been 3-4 generations since the partition, both my parents were born in Pakistan and so were my grandmothers. I know older Pakistanis are still obsessed with India because the partition was more recent for you.

I am not that old and my parents were v young at the time of partition. Infact my mum was born after it (the borders were open till 1951 for ppl to move in either direction.)
Still being the 1st generation born in Pakistan, yes you can say that the Partition felt more recent to me.

 

[Bi_Jamalo]

Are you seriously not getting it? This thread is funny because in India just like in Pakistan for every 1-2 who look like Hrithik Roshan or Aishwarya Rai there are a 10,000 others who look no different from the Rashid,Latifs or Sarfaraz Ahmed or Babar Azams of the world. Now beauty is in the eye of the beholder so to each his own but the generalization after watching a few soccer players that Italians look like Pakistanis is dumb. Case in point I just saw the Pakistan 2nd match and apart from Shaheen Afridi who looks like a Eastern European (Azerbaijan, Khazkisthan etc one of those countries) every body looks as desi as it gets. In fact they look no different from Bangladeshis or a couple even can pass of as Srilankans (I don’t mean that in a condescending way).

It’s amusing how Pakistanis want to be something different than accepting their own heritage. Every one seems to want to be a descendant of someone rather than being themselves. And before the India counter it’s a typical Desi mentality and a lot of Indians are no different if that makes you feel better.

On this very rare occasion, i fully agree with you. When i meet indians abroad (or go to a desi area) i often see faces that give me that dejavu feeling. May be its because i will lived and grew up in Karachi, which id of ppl who migrated from many parts of India.

 

[Giannis]

I am not that old and my parents were v young at the time of partition. Infact my mum was born after it (the borders were open till 1951 for ppl to move in either direction.)
Still being the 1st generation born in Pakistan, yes you can say that the Partition felt more recent to me.

Well yours is a unique case, you must be over 35 or something. Anyways, for most younger Pakistanis - younger millenials/Gen Z they do not feel that same association with India while the older gen that feel the partition was more recent probably do, fortunately the older generation is becoming less relevant as time goes on.

 

[Giannis]

On this very rare occasion, i fully agree with you. When i meet indians abroad (or go to a desi area) i often see faces that give me that dejavu feeling. May be its because i will lived and grew up in Karachi, which id of ppl who migrated from many parts of India.

Lol man speak for yourself, I live in America and I do have some relatives in Karachi. I can usually tell Pakistanis and Indians apart and so can most of my friends, especially where I live where it's mostly like south Indians. I've never felt Deja Vu seeing an Indian face, there are times when I've mistaken Indian Muslims and Sikhs for Pakistanis but they aren't the majority of the Indian community here and when they open their mouth you can usually tell they aren't Pakistani because of accent/dialetecal difference. Then again I maybe a more observant/detail oriented person so even minor differences stick out to me.

 

[Bi_Jamalo]

Well yours is a unique case, you must be over 35 or something. Anyways, for most younger Pakistanis - younger millenials/Gen Z they do not feel that same association with India while the older gen that feel the partition was more recent probably do, fortunately the older generation is becoming less relevant as time goes on.

I guess you are right in saying that but I disagree that its a ‘fortunate’ thing.
Milleneals are actually unfortunate for not having the opportunity to see the un-edited real world that existed pre social media/internet. Many living in Pakistan will never have opportunity to meet an indian in their life to get surprised by the similarities.. (in more than just physical appearance).

 

[Bi_Jamalo]

Lol man speak for yourself, I live in America and I do have some relatives in Karachi. I can usually tell Pakistanis and Indians apart and so can most of my friends, especially where I live where it's mostly like south Indians. I've never felt Deja Vu seeing an Indian face, there are times when I've mistaken Indian Muslims and Sikhs for Pakistanis but they aren't the majority of the Indian community here and when they open their mouth you can usually tell they aren't Pakistani because of accent/dialetecal difference. Then again I maybe a more observant/detail oriented person so even minor differences stick out to me.

You are wrong. We have dedicated areas in Karachi called Hyderabad colony and Madras colony, where migrants from these respective areas in South india live. In fact the famous Urdu writer Anwer Maqsood was born in Hyderabad India. There are many more examples. Most of these ppl are now probably 2nd or 3rd generation in pakistan, so why all of a sudden would they “look” different? (Body language, dress sense and accents are obviously slightly different to the ones that directly come from those areas in India). In my case my parents were from Delhi and UP respectively and many ppl from those areas migrated to karachi.

Secondly your understanding and exposure to “South indians” seems limited. For example in places like Mysore (south india) many families of north Indian extraction live. So not everyone living in South india has a typical South indian look (even if they do, they should be proud of who they are).

 

[Giannis]

You are wrong. We have dedicated areas in Karachi called Hyderabad colony and Madras colony, where migrants from these respective areas in South india live. In fact the famous Urdu writer Anwer Maqsood was born in Hyderabad India. There are many more examples. Most of these ppl are now probably 2nd or 3rd generation in pakistan, so why all of a sudden would they “look” different? (Body language, dress sense and accents are obviously slightly different to the ones that directly come from those areas in India). In my case my parents were from Delhi and UP respectively and many ppl from those areas migrated to karachi.

Secondly your understanding and exposure to “South indians” seems limited. For example in places like Mysore (south india) many families of north Indian extraction live. So not everyone living in South india has a typical South indian look (even if they do, they should be proud of who they are).

First of all, you need to look at the census data on Pakistan. Most Pakistanis are native to the lands that make up Pakistan today, just cause there are a few thousand (or even several thousand) migrants from various parts of India living in some neighborhoods in Karachi that isn't representative for most Pakistanis, those people barely a fraction of the country's population and are a minority within the larger Urdu-speaking population who mostly came from the north of india. Pakistanis are mostly Punjabis, Pashtuns, Sindhis and Seraikis, there are other communities but just cause your parents came from the south of india doesn't mean you can speak for all of Pakistan. There are Uzbek and Hazara communities in Quetta that have been there for generations, that doesn't mean we have any connection to Uzbekistan. There are millions of people in Punjab with Dardic Kashmiri roots - larger in number and influence than your community but I wouldn't say all Pakistanis relate to Kashmiris. Every country has some unique migrant communities but that isn't representative for the whole country.

 

[Bi_Jamalo]

This argument has already been discussed and in this very thread. Plz go and read.
No point going round in circles. Come up with some new point.

 

[Giannis]

This argument has already been discussed and in this very thread. Plz go and read.
No point going round in circles. Come up with some new point.

Then stop being deliberately obtuse. You know the demographics of Pakistan, you know you're a small fringe minority, you don't speak for all or most Pakistanis. Pakistan is a diverse country and you fit in that mosaic but you can't say most Pakistanis relate to south Indians just cause your parents came from there.

 

[Bi_Jamalo]

And i my post above I wasn’t generalising abt Pakistan, i was specifically referring to Karachi because you said:

“ man speak for yourself, I live in America and I do have some relatives in Karachi. I can usually tell Pakistanis and Indians apart and so can most of my friends, especially where I live where it's mostly like south Indians. I've never felt Deja Vu seeing an Indian face, there are times when I've mistaken Indian Muslims and Sikhs for Pakistanis but they aren't the majority of the Indian community here and when they open their mouth you can usually tell….”

 

[Bi_Jamalo]

Hmm. Not much attention to detail , eh!

 

[Giannis]

And i my post above I wasn’t generalising abt Pakistan, i was specifically referring to Karachi because you said:

“ man speak for yourself, I live in America and I do have some relatives in Karachi. I can usually tell Pakistanis and Indians apart and so can most of my friends, especially where I live where it's mostly like south Indians. I've never felt Deja Vu seeing an Indian face, there are times when I've mistaken Indian Muslims and Sikhs for Pakistanis but they aren't the majority of the Indian community here and when they open their mouth you can usually tell….”

Lol my comment came after yours. If you scroll up, you claimed that you got all in your feels when you see Indian faces cause you're from Karachi and feel dejavu then I responded that I also got some relatives in Karachi and have visited the city and never felt the same.

 

[Bi_Jamalo]

Ok, everyone is entitled to their opinion. Time to move on..

 

[Kroll]

Could be a fair shout you know. A woman once approached me in the gym whilst I was working out and asked if I was Italian?

 

[pillionrider]

In soccer or sports in general? You are right if you meant soccer but in sports like cricket Pakistan has won a world event more recently than India has. So this jibe doesn’t make sense.

I didn't say anything about Indians looking like Greeks or something. Nor anything about how India has won a world title recently. Not sure where India came into this

 

[Napa]

+1 and fully agree.

Some people are just ashamed of who they are and suffer from inferiority complex. No matter how much Italian they will want to see in the mirror, the world will still see them as what they actually are.

99.9% of Italians look nothing like Pakistani people.

Cringe!

There was a lot of prejudice and unscientific notions about ancestry, but modern science has provided us many answers.

I agree that we should be proud of who we are instead of trying to find tenuous links to other ethnicities.

Having said that, we can still satisfy our curiosity by informing ourselves of what science has to say about ancestry.

1) mtDNA is relatively static, that is most people of the subcontinent have the same matrilineal ancestry (haplogroup M). Invasions and migrations were carried out mainly by men, who mated with local women.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MtDNA_haplogroups_in_populations_of_South_Asia

So the difference in genetics of communities is mainly indicated by patrilineal ancestries.

2) The Y-chromosome haplogroup percentages table of South Asian communities below show widespread mixing.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Y-DNA_haplogroups_in_populations_of_South_Asia

The two most common patrilineal ancestries are: H (Dravidian) and R1a (Indo-European).

3) Two major Y haplogroups that are observed most in South Asia and very little outside are H and R2. These are definitely of South Asian origin. Whether R1 is of South Asian origin or not is controversial.

4) Pathans, who people keep thinking as some sort of pristine Indo-Europeans, actually show about average Indo-European ancestry (R1a), and less than many other communities. They have about 4% to 14% Dravidian ancestry (H) depending upon the study.

5) The communities that shows the greatest Indo-European ancestry (R1a) are Bengali Brahmins (72%), Terai Hindus (69%), UP Brahmins (68%), Bihar Brahmins (61%) and Tamil Nadu Bohras (54%). In comparison Pathans have 38% or 45%.

6) Worldwide Bengali Brahmins show the greatest R1a ancestry, which reaches levels of around 50% in Ukraine, and 25% in Germany and Nordic countries. This clearly shows that South Asian Indo-European ancestry is not due to some invasions by Greeks led by Alexander, but from much older times.

6) Indian middle castes and tribals have considerable R1a.

7) Haplogroups like L are present in the largest concentrations in South Asia and less abroad, suggesting a migration out from South Asia rather than into South Asia.

There isn't much point in discussing this with the people you are engaging with, they either don't understand this data or are simply reluctant.

 

[guna]

No such thing as "Indian heritage" and South Indians aren't even Indian in the true sense if you really want to get specific yet almost every "stereotype" about south asians comes from the western stereotypes of South Indians, so why should we identify with a label that has been misappropriated for the past 200 years. Also Nepal has far more in common with India than Pakistan - they're Hindus and also Indo-Aryans so would you say Nepalis are also Indian?

South Indians are the real Indians. All of the people in Indian subcontinent are mixed with South Indians. North Indians and the Pakistanis who are ashamed to accept this are just in denial.

Majority of Nepalese are no different to people of UP and Uttarakhand in terms of appearance. The Asian looking Nepalese are a mix of Indian and Tibetan people.

 

[Local.Dada]

Looking at the height,features and timid strokeplay going on right now, can we conclude all Pakistanis look like Bangladeshis?

No disrespect to Bangladeshis, I am just pointing out the stereotypes and the pseudo history peddled here by few folks who probably haven’t been to a library in their lives

 

[Local.Dada]

Could be a fair shout you know. A woman once approached me in the gym whilst I was working out and asked if I was Italian?

And then the Desi accent hits

 

[AdamM97]

Some Pakistanis look similar to West Asians and Northern Africans who in turn look similar to Italians and Greeks. Wouldn’t go as far as Italian or Southern European but many Pakistanis and Northwestern Indians can easily pass off as Arabs or Persians.