Why Pakistan keep producing Patha (flat) pitches?

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As title say why is they keep producing same surface series per series ?

First time happened its understandable but i think now we can fair to say that they are deliberately making .

So what is the purpose of these pitch as they haven't won any matches ?
 
Fear of losing, but then Pakistan has been losing non-stop on roads in Paksitan.

Earlier it was about Babar keeping his average/ranking high by scoring on roads at home but now he is not scoring as well.

Not sure about the goal of PCB now.

Hope this pitch breaks down a bit on 4th/5th day.
 
As title say why is they keep producing same surface series per series ?

First time happened its understandable but i think now we can fair to say that they are deliberately making .

So what is the purpose of these pitch as they haven't won any matches ?
It's been that way forever.

Lowest bounce and slowest surfaces. Pakistan has the deadest pitches of them all. International cricket in Pakistan was always the most boring but it has spawned some innovations and gamesmanship. Doosra and bottle caps etc.
 
As title say why is they keep producing same surface series per series ?

First time happened its understandable but i think now we can fair to say that they are deliberately making .

So what is the purpose of these pitch as they haven't won any matches ?
You made this thread now? Abh hosh ai hai?

When rizwan was scoring 171's then it was magically a minefield?
 
Too scared to lose on a sporting wicket. But they have been losing anyway so what difference does it make? But remember it's the PCB we're dealing with here
 
As title say why is they keep producing same surface series per series ?

First time happened its understandable but i think now we can fair to say that they are deliberately making .

So what is the purpose of these pitch as they haven't won any matches ?

It was deliberate and openly admitted by PCB during Aus series. No need to think about that.
 
Too scared to lose on a sporting wicket. But they have been losing anyway so what difference does it make? But remember it's the PCB we're dealing with here
Why not make spinner friendly surfaces. Pakistan may lose a match but will still play spin better than touring SENA teams and win more
 
It was deliberate and openly admitted by PCB during Aus series. No need to think about that.
You are too young to remember the pitches Pakistan have always produced.

It requires a specific skill-set to succeed here, Australia and England proved that in their previous tours.
 
You are too young to remember the pitches Pakistan have always produced.

It requires a specific skill-set to succeed here, Australia and England proved that in their previous tours.
But Pakistan doesn't have those fast bowlers anymore to make a match out of this kinda surfaces. If you had the bowlers of past, this would have been fine.
 
Fear of losing, but then Pakistan has been losing non-stop on roads in Paksitan.

Earlier it was about Babar keeping his average/ranking high by scoring on roads at home but now he is not scoring as well.

Not sure about the goal of PCB now.

Hope this pitch breaks down a bit on 4th/5th day.
Pakistan is losing non stop that is the point. If they were winning than we can understand but even after losing they haven't learnt any lesson.

Is it so difficult to make a spin friendly pitch?
 
But Pakistan doesn't have those fast bowlers anymore to make a match out of this kinda surfaces. If you had the bowlers of past, this would have been fine.
It's difficult for curators to produce balanced wickets here.

Maybe only Lahore you might be able to get something in it for the pacers, but even that flattens out eventually.
 
It's difficult for curators to produce balanced wickets here.

Maybe only Lahore you might be able to get something in it for the pacers, but even that flattens out eventually.
Wasn't Pakistan produce supporting wickets against South Africa if im not wrong .
 
You are too young to remember the pitches Pakistan have always produced.

It requires a specific skill-set to succeed here, Australia and England proved that in their previous tours.

Not sure about it. I have seen since early 90s and pitches were always low bounce with not much for bowlers but not this flat series after series. SA series had good pitch and if I go by posters, domestics in Paksitan had totally different bowler's friendly pitch till 2019.
 
Wasn't Pakistan produce supporting wickets against South Africa if im not wrong .
More of both batting sides being extremely average than balanced pitches.

Pakistan wickets have always had flat conditions on the first two days, and then the pitch starts to break up and bounce becomes even more uneven as the Test goes on.
 
I don't think they experimented with pitches ever. same in 80s, 90s, 2000s, 2010s, 2020s. Past teams heaivly relied on reverse which si not happening for Pakistan. Also lack of spinner makes things even worse..
 
As many have pointed out, Pakistan is looking for a high scoring draw where the team can be happy with their performance over all. Winning is just a bonus which they don't expect.
 
Not sure about it. I have seen since early 90s and pitches were always low bounce with not much for bowlers but not this flat series after series. SA series had good pitch and if I go by posters, domestics in Paksitan had totally different bowler's friendly pitch till 2019.
Please don't base it on domestic cricket, as the pitches have been terrible in terms of leaving sizable amount of grass on the wicket to make medium pacers much better than they usually are. Those same medium pacers are not struggling since 2021, when the pitches have started to resemble traditional Pakistani pitches even in domestic cricket.
 
Stupidity.

Pakistan is losing non stop that is the point. If they were winning than we can understand but even after losing they haven't learnt any lesson.

Is it so difficult to make a spin friendly pitch?
This is the problem.

The pcb and generally the pak management are stupid and are clueless.

They will do the same thing and pick the same players over and over and over again like an endless loop.
 
I don't think they experimented with pitches ever. same in 80s, 90s, 2000s, 2010s, 2020s. Past teams heaivly relied on reverse which si not happening for Pakistan. Also lack of spinner makes things even worse..
Yes, Pakistan relysing on reverse stopped as soon as nuetral umpires came, but pitches were not this dead. Last few series, it seems super dead.

Reminds me of having such pitches during IK's time when Indians were visting Pakistan. Very average Indian team drew test series which was I think 4 tests in Pakistan. But that was one of the deadest pitch where even reverse of Pakistani bowlers was not good enough to do anything.

Now if you produce pitches like 89 Indian series or pitches like we are seeing now to avoid losing then it makes for very bad cricket. Yes, Pakistan pitches has been mostly dull with low bounce, but not this bad always. If you make super dead pitches then even ATG bowlers with full freedom of reverse won't be able to do much, just like 89 series.
 
How is this related to Rizwan ? This is only about pitches

Don't make this any comparison thread.
Nothing, just that you were praising rizwan but now that he gets out on a 0, it's complaints. Where was this thread against Bangladesh?
 
If it’s so hot in Multan, how difficult it could be to make a spinning wicket? Heck, I would anyday take a crumbly wicket over this ‘flat as a pancake’ monstrosity!
 
Please don't base it on domestic cricket, as the pitches have been terrible in terms of leaving sizable amount of grass on the wicket to make medium pacers much better than they usually are. Those same medium pacers are not struggling since 2021, when the pitches have started to resemble traditional Pakistani pitches even in domestic cricket.
Oh, ok. But I think there is difference between super dead pitches and just pitches with low bounce which break on 4th/5th day. I think it's gone extreme in recent few series.
 
Yes, Pakistan relysing on reverse stopped as soon as nuetral umpires came, but pitches were not this dead. Last few series, it seems super dead.

Reminds me of having such pitches during IK's time when Indians were visting Pakistan. Very average Indian team drew test series which was I think 4 tests in Pakistan. But that was one of the deadest pitch where even reverse of Pakistani bowlers was not good enough to do anything.

Now if you produce pitches like 89 Indian series or pitches like we are seeing now to avoid losing then it makes for very bad cricket. Yes, Pakistan pitches has been mostly dull with low bounce, but not this bad always. If you make super dead pitches then even ATG bowlers with full freedom of reverse won't be able to do much, just like 89 series.
If Sehwag had played against this attack he would have crossed 500 easily. Last time he plaeyd he made 309 at Multan.
 
If Sehwag had played against this attack he would have crossed 500 easily. Last time he plaeyd he made 309 at Multan.
Sehwag has such knocks even on rank turners and agaisnt ATG bowlers so I won't really read much into what he did. I am not saying that pitches were not dull in Pakistan in past, but I think it's gone extreme.

I meant look at it this way. Indians produce tunring tracks normally. But some time it's rank turners. So there is difference in degree of turning tracks. We can't club both saying that Indian pitches always turn. Same way there is difference in dull pitches as well. Recently , Pakistan has taken to extreme. I am not defending past pitches of Pakistan.
 
Sehwag has 300 plus agasint Steyn, Morkel and Ntini.
He has 293 against Murali and Herath.
201* on rank turner agasint Murlai and Co.
150 plus agaisnt Warne, McGrath and Gilliespie.

Point is - Sehwag could go big agaisnt very good bowlers and on rank turners as well. Him going big does not prove that pitch was super dead or bowlers were not good.

Yes, Pakistan bowling is surely poor, but even Aus was bowled out in their home for 260, 299, 310 kinds of scores few times by Pakistan in last your. Pakistan did bowl opposition out in SL. So yes, they are not great bowling unit by any means but these super dead pitches don't help.
 
Root is already proved that he doesn't needs flat pitch to score runs.

He can score in any surface
Bhai, I was joking.

Sachin is > Root regardless of the record but root is one of the best test players of all time.

Root > Smith > Kohli atm but in prime

Smith > Root > Kohli in test.

I'm joking about pakistan saying how he'd easily break it here.
 
Bhai, I was joking.

Sachin is > Root regardless of the record but root is one of the best test players of all time.

Root > Smith > Kohli atm but in prime

Smith > Root > Kohli in test.

I'm joking about pakistan saying how he'd easily break it here.
Smith> Root > Kohli only in test

All formats Kohli>>> Smith= Root .
 
Nothing wrong with this pitch, yet. Except a couple of Pindi pitches, you can force a result on most of them .


Pakistan's bowling attack in Tests has been overrated for years. They cant pick wickets on such decks.

Pitches here come alive sometimes in the last 2 sessions of day 5.

It's just important to make sure we get 90 overs every day.
 
Road pitches - Boring draws
Green wickets - Whitewash
Pakistan has accepted that they are not good enough to win test matches. Lack of ambition and self belief.
 
Nothing wrong with this pitch, yet. Except a couple of Pindi pitches, you can force a result on most of them .


Pakistan's bowling attack in Tests has been overrated for years. They cant pick wickets on such decks.

Pitches here come alive sometimes in the last 2 sessions of day 5.

It's just important to make sure we get 90 overs every day.
I'm predicting a pak collapse on day 5
 
Why are people even suprised? You saw shaheen and naseem bully England? This attack is low tier but their still professional cricketers.

Their bowlers aren't that bad that naseem, Shaheen, Abdullah and Shan can show their aukaat.

The rest of the pancakes like babar, Rizwan have the same expected performance.

Gonna give Saud one last chance but after this, this is it. If he can't play attacking cricket on such a phata then he's an overseas bunny and sri lanka was a one off.

This match is a draw or maybe England tonk 700 tmr and force a result
 
England will be batting on day 5.
Depends on how England approach it. Do they wanna bazzball or slow burn pakistan till day 4( Let's face it, Pak isn't bowling them out before they reach 500)

I was wondering why England picked 2 spinners and I think they did after seeing pak vs Bangladesh

They are clearly seeing something pakistan isn't
 
Depends on how England approach it. Do they wanna bazzball or slow burn pakistan till day 4( Let's face it, Pak isn't bowling them out before they reach 500)

I was wondering why England picked 2 spinners and I think they did after seeing pak vs Bangladesh

They are clearly seeing something pakistan isn't
Bazballing is a much easier gig here than defending. You can plonk your frontfoot and hit through the line.
 
To help the generational talent, the true king of world cricket, the oozer of charm, the padder of stats, the one and only king Bob to re-establish himself as the best flat pitch run scoring machine.

Flat pitches and second grade bowlers not working. Time to invite Zimbabwe and Nepal.
:inti
 
This one feels like a typical UAE wicket though. Docile for the first 3 days and then explodes on 4th and 5th day. Pakistan could crumble on the 4th day here against Leach and Bashir.
 
What happened to theory that Babar and Rambo wanted these pitches? In my lifetime I have only seen about 4 or 5 PK pitches that have had life.
 
These pitches would be awesome for CT. 375+ scores in ODIs. As I heard a lot of great batsmen Sachin etc have said Pak have some of the best batting pitches. Not sure if this test quality though. England’s over enthusiasm might be only reason why this game might not end in a draw.
 
Fans don't know the answer. Maybe Chairman does. Maybe no one does.
An age old problem. They may need to be relaid but maybe the knowledge isn't there. All I know is that Andy Atkinson produced 2 excellent wickets against SA in 2004. A series we won
 
An age old problem. They may need to be relaid but maybe the knowledge isn't there.
Ramiz tried to do something about it. For better or for worst it did worked - or maybe not. It's one of the biggest mysteries around Pakistan Cricket right now.
 
To help the generational talent, the true king of world cricket, the oozer of charm, the padder of stats, the one and only king Bob to re-establish himself as the best flat pitch run scoring machine.

Flat pitches and second grade bowlers not working. Time to invite Zimbabwe and Nepal.
:inti
Two white-ball series against Zimbabwe in November. It's gonna be stat pad city for the king
 
3 days of cricket left and with Bazball approach result is possible so don't criticise the pitch , hamari series hamari Marzi
 
They believe they can bat long enough to force draw , which is better result than loosing.
 
Atherton recons this pitch will remain flat and docile till day 5 as well. I agree with him.


This pitch reminds me of the one on which Shoaib Malik scored 300* against England. It’s the flattest of the flattest.
 
This pitch reminds me of the one on which Shoaib Malik scored 300* against England. It’s the flattest of the flattest.
Shoaib never did. He got out before reaching 250. That Test match was something though. Cook basically outbatted Malik and England felt few runs short because of bad light while chasing.
 
Shoaib never did. He got out before reaching 250. That Test match was something though. Cook basically outbatted Malik and England felt few runs short because of bad light while chasing.
Yeah your right, I was under the impression he scored 300 and retired a couple of games later. But that pitch was one of the worst I have ever seen when it comes to flatness and now this one.

Maybe the pitch for the first Test against Australia too at Pindi.
 
Our pitches have always been pretty flat but the elephant in the room is that our bowling recently has been pants.

Back in the day we knew and we had the skill to take wickets here and one some occasions, so did the opposition.

Nowadays our fast bowlers are so slow, lethargic and have zero skill. Our spinners don’t have any mystery or even accuracy.

The other problem is recently we’ve been playing in Multan and Rawalpindi exclusively. Lahore and Karachi either have something in the pitch or especially in Karachi you always get some sort of swing.
 
The one thing Pakistan can hope for is what England did against India. They kept playing shots and threw their wickets away at most inopportune times during the game. But if they bat one full day, they will be very close to Pakistan's score as they would be scoring at 4 runs per over. Like someone already said, we cannot complain about the pitches until 4th or 5th day. If neither team can force a result then yes we can complain about the pitches.
 
It's always been similar but it use to work okay in the past to win a series 1 0 or similar.
However in the past we always had:
1. At least 1 top quality spinner
2. At least 1 tear away fast bowlers
3. Ability to make ball reverse more often
4. Batsmen who could play spin well
5. In earlier times ball wasn't kookaburra also which makes things go super flat after first 20 overs.

Based on that we had winning formula.

Now none of those 5 things exist. So it makes for boring viewing or losses to better teams.
 
Isn't the pak eng test in multan in 2022 finishes in 3 days with abrar taking taking 10fer? How they make that spinning wicket?
 
Pakistan hired that Australian curator to improve our pitches. I wasn’t expecting overnight success but atleast a marginal improvement would been nice. He's had two series now and the pitches are still roads. It’s definitely a PCB issue, Gujranwala for example is a pacy and fast wicket. Diamond ground is another one. Even the SA match in Pindi a couple of years ago was one of the most sporting wickets I’ve ever seen on Pakistani soil. I can only say this is intentional.
 
Isn't the pak eng test in multan in 2022 finishes in 3 days with abrar taking taking 10fer? How they make that spinning wicket?
Yes that game had lower scores and both teams were bowled out 2 times.
 
Pitches should be such that it supports batting on day 1,2 and three with a little support for pacers and then on day 4 and 5, it should be more supportive for spinners where batters have to grind for runs.
 
Pakistan hired that Australian curator to improve our pitches. I wasn’t expecting overnight success but atleast a marginal improvement would been nice. He's had two series now and the pitches are still roads. It’s definitely a PCB issue, Gujranwala for example is a pacy and fast wicket. Diamond ground is another one. Even the SA match in Pindi a couple of years ago was one of the most sporting wickets I’ve ever seen on Pakistani soil. I can only say this is intentional.
Tony Hemming was the curator of Dubai stadium
 
All the pitches in Pakistan need to be dug up and redone from scratch.

They need a lot of watering and nurturing as it will take a good few years to be able to see result orientated pitches. Depends how much proper investment the PCB is willing to make on this long standing issue.

They've made their own team look worse than club level in the world.
 
Pakistan has consistently produced the most atrocious of pitches which produce extremely boring cricket driving away spectators. So the questionnneeds to be asked if Pakistan is the most boring place to watch cricket.
 
Yes.

And we as a nation were crying about not playing home cricket for a decade has caused pressure on our cricket. Misbah actually got the better deal.
 
This. It's good for white ball cricket. All Asian countries are.

It's a pathetic place to watch Test cricket. Low quality cricket with no one to watch it anyway.
You can't keepmpriducing pitches like this and expect spectators to turn up for a snooze fest. And don't dilute it by saying all asian countries.
 
Test cricket in Pakistan now a days absolutely joke. Total carnage....runs fest....festival crackers atmosphere
 
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