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Will Afghanistan be safe/better off after US withdrawal in 2021?

Will Afghanistan be safe/better off after US withdrawal in 2021?


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It's actually amazing how quick cities have fallen in the North areas dominated by Uzbek and tajiks , pashtuns are a minority in those areas yet taliban took those brutal dostums Uzbeks head on .

It just shows how overstretched the ana is and the mayor of kabuls goverment isn't fit for purpose their whole apparatus along with the nds is collapsing at provincial levels. They are not even safe in their green zone.

Pakistan must get involved and make a deal with takiban to secure these cities and stop any lawlessness and allow the border trade to commence by capturing kunduz takiban have just captured the gateway to central Asia and Afghanistans industrial city .
 
Not sure why Pakistan has closed its border with Afghanistan. I can understand if those regions were under the Afghan government/military and Pakistan might be wary of those regions being used against them in nefarious activities but since a friendly power in the Taliban has taken over Spin boldak crossing, it doesn't make sense in closing the border region controlled by an ally and not letting the Taliban revolutionaries and dignitaries to have free movement to Pakistan.

It's not that difficult to understand if you can come to terms with Taliban being an Afghan movement rather than inspired in Pakistan which you seem to have some difficulty in comprehending. Pakistan simply wants good relations with their neighbours, which is impossible with the current govt which is propped up by foreign parties.

Once Taliban has established trustworthy border controls, then Pakistan will be able open up border crossing with less regulation. It may come tomorrow or in a year from now. But we have to recognise that Taliban has still to establish control fully, alien forces are still supporting the govt. USA have just engaged B52 bombing support of anti-Pak govt troops despite supposed withdrawl from the arena. You should be asking why they are still interfering in military engagement halfway across the world if you are so concerned about the region.
 
Afghan city of Kunduz falls to Taliban | DW News 3rd provincial capital in 3 days


Kabul Administration are hopeless. Only local warlords and tribes can compete against Taliban.

Although Taliban are rapidly making alliances with different warlords and shia tribes
 
It's not that difficult to understand if you can come to terms with Taliban being an Afghan movement rather than inspired in Pakistan which you seem to have some difficulty in comprehending. Pakistan simply wants good relations with their neighbours, which is impossible with the current govt which is propped up by foreign parties.

Once Taliban has established trustworthy border controls, then Pakistan will be able open up border crossing with less regulation. It may come tomorrow or in a year from now. But we have to recognise that Taliban has still to establish control fully, alien forces are still supporting the govt. USA have just engaged B52 bombing support of anti-Pak govt troops despite supposed withdrawl from the arena. You should be asking why they are still interfering in military engagement halfway across the world if you are so concerned about the region.

I've never had any difficulty in comprehending the fact that the (Afghan) Taliban is an Afghan movement. Mullah Omar was of course an Afghan and not a Pakistani. I've only ever said that the Taliban and the Pakistani state share a symbiotic relationship with each other.
 
The Taliban have captured three regional capitals in Afghanistan as they continue to make sweeping territorial gains in the country.

They seized control of the key northern city of Kunduz on Sunday, as well as Sar-e-Pul and Taloqan.

It means five regional capitals have fallen to the militants since Friday, with Kunduz being their most important gain this year.

The city is well connected to other areas, including the capital Kabul.

Violence has escalated across Afghanistan after US and other international forces began to withdraw their troops from the country, following 20 years of military operations.

Taliban militants have made rapid advances in recent weeks. Having captured large swathes of the countryside, they are now targeting key towns and cities.

The three northern cities fell to Taliban control within hours of each other on Sunday, with one resident in Kunduz describing the situation as "total chaos".

The Afghan government, meanwhile, said its forces were fighting to retake key installations.

Heavy fighting has also been reported in Herat in the west, and in the southern cities of Kandahar and Lashkar Gah.

Thousands of civilians have been displaced this year. Families, including babies and young children, have been sheltering in a school in the north-eastern city of Asadabad.

"Many bombs were dropped on our village. The Taliban came and destroyed everything. We were helpless and had to leave our houses. Our children and ourselves are sleeping on the ground in dire conditions", Gul Naaz told AFP.

"There was firing, one of my seven-year-old daughters went out during that fighting and disappeared. I don't know if she is alive or dead," another displaced resident said.

The US has intensified its air strikes on Taliban positions, with Afghan military officials saying militants have been killed. But the Taliban say the air strikes hit two hospitals and a school in the city of Lashkar Gah. Neither claim has been independently verified.

The US embassy in Afghanistan condemned the Taliban's "violent new offensive against Afghan cities", saying the group's actions to "forcibly impose its rule are unacceptable".

"They demonstrate wanton disregard for the welfare and rights of civilians and will worsen this country's humanitarian crisis," it said in a statement.

BBC
 
Pakistan is likely to host a regional conference on Afghanistan to be attended by foreign ministers of the immediate neighbours of the war-torn country as well as other stakeholders as part of a diplomatic push to prevent a civil war there.

“We are planning to host foreign ministers of the key regional countries on the Afghan situation,” a senior Pakistani official told The Express Tribune requesting anonymity.

The official added that they could not provide the list of invitees. However, sources said foreign ministers of the neighbours of Afghanistan including Russia, China, Iran and other stakeholders including Turkey would attend the conference.

The idea behind the initiative is to discuss the latest situation and evolve a consensus in order to prevent a civil war in Afghanistan.

The neighbours of Afghanistan are concerned that the deteriorating situation in the war-torn country would have a negative impact on the region.

Pakistan has a central role in the Afghan endgame, but as the situation deteriorates in the neighbouring country, there are elements within Afghanistan as well as in the US which are holding Islamabad responsible for the mess.

Officials familiar with the development said Pakistan would counter such allegations at all levels as it insisted that the civil war in Afghanistan would harm the country more than anyone else.In order to counter what Pakistan says is baseless propaganda by certain quarters in Afghanistan, Islamabad’s civil and military leadership discussed a counter strategy last week.

While Pakistan contemplates hosting the foreign ministers of regional countries, the plan to organise a meeting of leaders of different factions of Afghanistan is now in doldrums.

Pakistan was supposed to host the “Afghan Peace Conference” last month as part of its diplomatic initiative to bring all Afghan players on board.

The conference, however, was postponed after the Ghani administration refused to send a delegation.
The sources said the conference’s idea had now been shelved altogether given the deepening mistrust between Pakistan and the Afghan government.

According to the sources, while Pakistan would continue to seek a political settlement in Afghanistan, the focus would now be on securing the border to minimise the impact of the Afghan civil war.

Pakistan has already fenced the 2,600km long border with Afghanistan coupled with introducing a new mechanism that regulates the movement of people between the two frontiers.

Another aspect of the strategy includes stepping up the campaign against the banned Tehreek-e-Taliban Pakistan (TTP), which is likely to get emboldened against the backdrop of the Afghan Taliban’s victory.

Pakistan’s efforts to persuade the Afghan Taliban to take action against the TTP were met with lukewarm response.

Therefore, the sources said Pakistan had decided to fight its own battle instead of pinning hopes on others to take on the TTP.

There has been a sudden spike in TTP terrorist attacks since the US and NATO forces started withdrawing from Afghanistan and as a result, the Taliban started making rapid inroads.

Express Tribune
 
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Alarming Reports of 43 females under age of 30, kept in private barracks of prison of <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Takhar?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Takhar</a> for personal service as sex worker for officials few are pregnant, set free by Taliban today<a href="https://twitter.com/UN_Women?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@UN_Women</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/UNHumanRights?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@UNHumanRights</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/afghanistan?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#afghanistan</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/kabul?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#kabul</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/taliban?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#taliban</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Afghans?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Afghans</a> <a href="https://t.co/ACvDDallmX">pic.twitter.com/ACvDDallmX</a></p>— World Conflicts Monitoring Center (@WorldBreakingN9) <a href="https://twitter.com/WorldBreakingN9/status/1424458881636388867?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 8, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

This is medieval slavery in 2021.

Disgusting animals.
 
‘Capitulation’ of Afghan forces not Pakistan’s fault

ISLAMABAD:
Foreign Minister Shah Mehmood Qureshi on Monday dispelled the impression that Pakistan was the reason behind the current mess in Afghanistan, stating that Islamabad could not be held responsible for the “capitulation and meltdown” of the Afghan national defence forces in the face of the Taliban.

At a news conference, Qureshi told reporters in categorical terms that Pakistan could not be made scapegoat and emphasised that instead of blaming Pakistan, the international community should ponder over “where did the amount of money spent in Afghanistan go?”

The Taliban have swiftly gained territory across Afghanistan since May, including six provincial capitals in the last three days, as international forces near a complete withdrawal from the country after 20 years of fighting.

As the Afghan situation deteriorates, there are elements within and outside Afghanistan, who have increased their rhetoric against Pakistan, blaming Islamabad for the chaos, particularly the allegations of using the Taliban as proxy to impose a government of its choice in Kabul.

“It is unfortunate to scapegoat Pakistan for the failures of others. Issues of governance and meltdown of the Afghan national defence forces need to be looked into,” he said, referring to the rapid Taliban gains in many areas, without facing any resistance from the Afghan forces.

“The lack of will to fight, the capitulation that we are seeing in Afghanistan... can we be held responsible for that? No we cannot,” he said, adding, instead of blaming Pakistan, the international community should ponder over where did the amount of money spent in Afghanistan go?

“The capacity-building, the training, the equipment... where is it?” Foreign Minister Qureshi said, referring to resources spent by the international community, particularly the United States, on bolstering Afghan national forces. Qureshi said Pakistan supported a political solution to bring peace to Afghanistan and reminded that Islamabad had been instrumental in bringing the Taliban to the negotiating table with the United States and facilitated the resultant agreement between the two in Doha last year.

However, he made it clear that Pakistan was just a facilitator, and not a guarantor in the Afghan peace efforts. “If there is a political settlement the credit goes to Afghan government and if there is no political solution the Afghan government will be responsible,” he said. “We have repeatedly stated that we have no favourites in Afghanistan. We see all sides in the conflict as Afghans and we don’t differentiate,” he said, dismissing the oft-repeated allegations against Pakistan that it was backing the Afghan Taliban.

As the US and NATO forces withdrawal nears completion, Pakistan is concerned at the deteriorating security situation in the neighbouring country with no political settlement insight. “We are seriously concerned at the brewing violence and lack of substantive progress in the intra-Afghan talks.” The foreign minister went on to say that the situation in Afghanistan was evolving but “unfortunately it was not managed well”.

Questioning the US withdrawal plan, Qureshi stated that Pakistan always wanted “orderly and responsible” withdrawal. Explaining further, he said that an orderly withdrawal meant that there would be simultaneous progress both on the withdrawal process and the Afghan peace talks. But the troops withdrawal from Afghanistan was not backed by substantive progress on the peace talks, he added.

Fearing that such a situation would leave a security vacuum in Afghanistan, the foreign minister stated that “a security vacuum” in the war-ravaged country would only benefit the terrorist groups, which were targeting Pakistan.

Qureshi suggested to the Afghan leadership that instead of wasting their energies on blaming Pakistan, they should focus on seeking inclusive and broad-based political settlement through an Afghan-led and Afghan-owned process. Foreign Minister Qureshi also came down hard on India, which currently holds the presidency of United Nations Security Council (UNSC) for barring Pakistan from the debate on Afghanistan at the 15-member top UN form.

He said that Pakistan should have been invited to the debate, given that it was not just a neighbour of Afghanistan but also a direct stakeholder in the peace and stability in the war-torn country. He said that India was in breach of the UNSC norms by not accepting Pakistan’s request. On August 6, the UNSC held an emergency session on the Afghan situation at the request of Kabul.

Pakistan had requested to join the meeting but that was not accepted by the UNSC president, who is currently the Indian permanent representative to the UN. Pakistan had issued a strong statement after that and insisted the UNSC president’s decision was not objective. Pakistan and India have been at loggerheads on many issues, including Afghanistan.

Islamabad considers New Delhi as a spoiler and often resists India’s more prominent role in the Afghan affairs. It was because of this reason that despite Indian efforts, New Delhi has not been included in the Extended Troika, which includes Pakistan, Russia, China and the US, on Afghanistan. The Extended Troika is scheduled to meet in Doha on August 11 to discuss the latest Afghan situation.

Qureshi said Pakistan was looking forward to the meeting with a hope to see some tangible outcome on the Afghan peace efforts.

https://tribune.com.pk/story/2314703/capitulation-of-afghan-forces-not-pakistans-fault
 
Army chief General Qamar Javed Bajwa and US Secretary of Defence Lloyd Austin on Tuesday discussed the ongoing situation in Afghanistan amid an escalation of violence in the war-torn country.

According to a press release issued by the Pentagon, Austin and General Bajwa had a telephonic conversation to discuss 'mutual goals of security and stability in the region'.

The call comes at a time when the Afghan Taliban are blitzing across the country, seizing six provincial capitals within days, and President Biden standing firm on a US exit with limited options appearing to be on the table to reverse the insurgents' momentum.

The Taliban advances may appear startling in their speed but were not unexpected in Washington as the US military completes the pullout ordered by Biden by August 31.

During the call, Austin expressed 'interest in continuing to improve the US-Pakistan relationship' and building upon multiple shared interests in the region.

The two sides also discussed the bilateral defence relationship and regional security and stability with reference to Afghanistan.

On Aug 1, National Security Adviser (NSA) Dr Moeed Yusuf said Pakistan and the United States needed to work “more closely” amid evolving situation in Afghanistan.

“No other nation can work on shared threats in the region other than Pakistan and the US, like instability in Afghanistan. However, Afghan soil was and still is being used against Pakistan which is a serious concern and needs to be stopped,” the NSA had said in a press conference at the conclusion of his official visit to Washington.

While enunciating the security threats, he had said Tehreek-e-Taliban Pakistan (TTP) based in Afghanistan was a threat to Pakistan and there were also groups targeting other regions in the world which was against the US interests.

Both the countries could jointly work in this domain, he had added.

A day earlier, the Taliban captured a sixth provincial Afghan capital, after ousting Afghan security forces from border towns and trade routes as US-led foreign forces pull out.

The insurgents took three provincial capitals over the weekend - Zaranj, the capital of the southern province of Nimroz, Sar-e-Pul, the capital of the northern province of the same name, and Taloqan, the capital of northeastern Takhar province.

They had already taken the northern provincial capital of Kunduz and Lashkar Gah, capital of southwestern Helmand province.

A Taliban spokesperson also warned the US on Sunday against intervening following US airstrikes to support beleaguered Afghan government forces.
 
Feel sorry for afghanistan.

By anytime nazar e sharif would be taken over. Last time taliban took power they butchered the shias there. Infact it was a genocide.

Where are those posters that support taliban or the ones that used to boost that Afghans won against US?

It was the presence of US that was keeping the country safe.

Any problem in Afghanistan will eventually spillover to our lands.


Our leaders will do anything to win the afghani hearts. They will be giving refuge on the basis that afghanis are our islami brothers abd what not.

Such a terrible situation has been created
 
Feel sorry for afghanistan.

By anytime nazar e sharif would be taken over. Last time taliban took power they butchered the shias there. Infact it was a genocide.

Where are those posters that support taliban or the ones that used to boost that Afghans won against US?

It was the presence of US that was keeping the country safe.

Any problem in Afghanistan will eventually spillover to our lands.


Our leaders will do anything to win the afghani hearts. They will be giving refuge on the basis that afghanis are our islami brothers abd what not.

Such a terrible situation has been created

Shias are fiercely fighting against Taliban. IMO they're the only party who have local support (except Taliban) and are genuinely fighting for survival of their families.

Some Shia warlords have already signed treaties with the Taliban and some are totally neutral.

Pakistan must guard the fence and shouldn't let in Indian sponsored TTP.
 
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Taliban insurgents tightened their grip on captured Afghan territory on Tuesday as civilians hid in their homes, and a European Union official said the militants now control 65% of the country after a string of gains as foreign forces pull out.

President Ashraf Ghani called on regional strongmen to support his government, while a U.N. official said advances made in human rights in the 20 years since the hardline Islamists were ousted from power were in danger of being erased.

In the capital Kabul, Ghani's aides said he was seeking help from regional militias he has squabbled with over the years to rally to the defence of his government. He had also appealed to civilians to defend Afghanistan's "democratic fabric".

In the town of Aibak, capital of Samangan province on the main road between the northern town of Mazar-i-Sharif and Kabul, Taliban fighters were consolidating their control, moving into government buildings, residents said.

Most government security forces appeared to have withdrawn.

"The only way is self-imposed house arrest or to find a way to leave for Kabul," said Sher Mohamed Abbas, a provincial tax officer, when asked about living conditions in Aibak.

"But then even Kabul is not a safe option anymore," said Abbas, the sole bread winner for a family of nine.

Abbas said the Taliban had arrived at his office and told workers to go home. He and other residents said they had neither seen nor heard fighting on Tuesday.

For years, the north was the most peaceful part of the country with an only minimal Taliban presence.

The militants' strategy appears to be to take the north, as well as the main border crossings in the north, west and south, and then close in on Kabul.

The Taliban, battling to defeat the U.S-backed government and reimpose strict Islamic law, swept into Aibak on Monday meeting little resistance.

Taliban forces now control 65% of Afghan territory, are threatening to take 11 provincial capitals and are trying to deprive Kabul of its traditional support from national forces in the north, a senior EU official said on Tuesday.

The government has withdrawn forces from hard-to-defend rural districts to focus on holding major population centres, while officials have appealed for pressure on neighbouring Pakistan to stop Taliban reinforcements and supplies flowing over the porous border. Pakistan denies backing the Taliban.

The United States has been carrying out air strikes in support of government troops but said it was up to Afghan forces to defend their country. "It's their struggle," John Kirby, a Pentagon spokesperson, told reporters on Monday.

Taliban and government officials have confirmed that the Islamists have overrun six provincial capitals in recent days in the north, west and south.

Security forces in Pul-e-Khumri, capital of Baghlan province, to the southeast of Aibak, were surrounded as the Taliban closed in on the town at a main junction on the road to Kabul, a security official said.

Gulam Bahauddin Jailani, head of the national disaster authority, told Reuters there was fighting in 25 of the 34 provinces and 60,000 families had been displaced over the past two months, with most seeking refuge in Kabul.

About 400,000 Afghans have been displaced in recent months and there has been an increase in numbers of people fleeing to Iran over the past 10 days, the EU official said.

Six EU member states warned the bloc's executive against halting deportations of rejected Afghan asylum seekers arriving in Europe despite major Taliban advances, fearing a possible replay of a 2015-16 crisis over the chaotic arrival of more than one million migrants, mainly from the Middle East.

A resident of Farah, the capital and largest city of Farah province in western Afghanistan near the border with Iran, said the Taliban had taken the governor's compound and there was heavy fighting between Taliban and government forces.

Civilians said the Taliban had captured all key government buildings in the city.

U.N. human rights chief Michelle Bachelet said reports of violations that could amount to war crimes and crimes against humanity were emerging, including "deeply disturbing reports" of the summary execution of surrendering government troops.

"People rightly fear that a seizure of power by the Taliban will erase the human rights gains of the past two decades,” she said.

The Taliban, ousted in the weeks after the Sept. 11, 2001 attacks on the United States, appeared to be in a position to advance from different directions on Mazar-i-Sharif. Its fall would deal a devastating blow to Ghani's government.

Atta Mohammad Noor, a northern militia commander, vowed to fight to the end, saying there would be "resistance until the last drop of my blood".

"I prefer dying in dignity than dying in despair," he said on Twitter.

India sent a flight to northern Afghanistan to take its citizens home, officials said, asking Indians to leave. The United States and Britain have already advised their citizens to leave Afghanistan.

The United States will complete the withdrawal of its forces at the end of this month under a deal with the Taliban, which included the withdrawal of foreign forces in exchange for Taliban promises to prevent Afghanistan being used for international terrorism.

The Taliban promised not to attack foreign forces as they withdraw but did not agree to a ceasefire with the government.
 
PROVINCIAL CAPITALS FALLING TO THE TALIBAN:

- Aug. 6 - ZARANJ. The Taliban take over the city in Nimroz province in the south of the country, the first provincial capital to fall to the insurgents since they stepped up attacks on Afghan forces in early May.

- Aug. 7 - SHEBERGHAN. The Taliban declare they have captured the entire northern province of Jawzjan, including its capital Sheberghan. Heavy fighting is reported in the city, and government buildings are taken over by the insurgents. Afghan security forces say they are still fighting there.

- Aug. 8 - SAR-E-PUL. The insurgents take control of Sar-e-Pul, capital of the northern province of the same name. It is the first of three provincial centres to fall on the same day. read more

- Aug. 8 - KUNDUZ. Taliban fighters seize control of the northern city of 270,000 people, regarded as a strategic prize as it lies at the gateway to mineral-rich northern provinces and Central Asia. Government forces say they are resisting the insurgents from an army base and the airport.

- Aug. 8 - TALOQAN. The capital of Takhar province, also in the north, falls to the Taliban in the evening. They free prisoners and force government officials to flee.

- Aug. 9 - AYBAK. The capital of the northern province of Samangan is overrun by Taliban fighters.

PROVINCIAL CAPITALS BEING CONTESTED AS OF AUG. 10:

- FARAH. Capital of the western province of Farah.

- PUL-E-KHUMRI. Capital of the central province of Baghlan.

- HERAT. Capital of Herat province in the west.

- LASHKARGAH. Capital of Helmand in the south.

- KANDAHAR. Capital of Kandahar province in the south.
 
Is there any evidence of this?

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PROVINCIAL CAPITALS FALLING TO THE TALIBAN:

- Aug. 6 - ZARANJ. The Taliban take over the city in Nimroz province in the south of the country, the first provincial capital to fall to the insurgents since they stepped up attacks on Afghan forces in early May.

- Aug. 7 - SHEBERGHAN. The Taliban declare they have captured the entire northern province of Jawzjan, including its capital Sheberghan. Heavy fighting is reported in the city, and government buildings are taken over by the insurgents. Afghan security forces say they are still fighting there.

- Aug. 8 - SAR-E-PUL. The insurgents take control of Sar-e-Pul, capital of the northern province of the same name. It is the first of three provincial centres to fall on the same day. read more

- Aug. 8 - KUNDUZ. Taliban fighters seize control of the northern city of 270,000 people, regarded as a strategic prize as it lies at the gateway to mineral-rich northern provinces and Central Asia. Government forces say they are resisting the insurgents from an army base and the airport.

- Aug. 8 - TALOQAN. The capital of Takhar province, also in the north, falls to the Taliban in the evening. They free prisoners and force government officials to flee.

- Aug. 9 - AYBAK. The capital of the northern province of Samangan is overrun by Taliban fighters.

PROVINCIAL CAPITALS BEING CONTESTED AS OF AUG. 10:

- FARAH. Capital of the western province of Farah.

- PUL-E-KHUMRI. Capital of the central province of Baghlan.

- HERAT. Capital of Herat province in the west.

- LASHKARGAH. Capital of Helmand in the south.

- KANDAHAR. Capital of Kandahar province in the south.

Herat will be a total bloodbath.

If only they were to sit down and sort things out at table.


Ashraf Gani got his life in the USA. His money, children and anything valuable is already in America. I wish Kabul Administration had someone truly local in charge...
 
I don't even think those Afghans and Indians are taliban supporters, they're just doing it for subversion and to make it seem like Pakistanis are pro Taliban.

Afghans and Indians are TTP supporters whose ultimate gole is to spread terrorism inside Pakistan.
 
Eventually after civil conflict Afghanistan will return to a pre 9/11 scenario. America after wasting trillion's of dollars has gained nothing at all. American ambitions twenty years back was to leave a totally Americanised and westernised Afghanistan full of night clubs, brothels, gambling clubs and bars. Instead they leave just like the Russians did with nothing at all other then thousands of dead soldiers and trillions of dollars flushed down the toilet. Afghans will have to eventually decides among themselves what they want. The more anyone dictates terms to them they greater the resistance.
 
Eventually after civil conflict Afghanistan will return to a pre 9/11 scenario. America after wasting trillion's of dollars has gained nothing at all. American ambitions twenty years back was to leave a totally Americanised and westernised Afghanistan full of night clubs, brothels, gambling clubs and bars. Instead they leave just like the Russians did with nothing at all other then thousands of dead soldiers and trillions of dollars flushed down the toilet. Afghans will have to eventually decides among themselves what they want. The more anyone dictates terms to them they greater the resistance.

Nailed it.

An eternal documentary:

 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Dear World Leaders! My country is in chaos,thousand of innocent people, including children & women, get martyred everyday, houses & properties being destructed.Thousand families displaced..<br>Don’t leave us in chaos. Stop killing Afghans & destroying Afghaniatan🇦🇫.<br>We want peace.🙏</p>— Rashid Khan (@rashidkhan_19) <a href="https://twitter.com/rashidkhan_19/status/1425057234300641317?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 10, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Dear World Leaders! My country is in chaos,thousand of innocent people, including children & women, get martyred everyday, houses & properties being destructed.Thousand families displaced..<br>Don’t leave us in chaos. Stop killing Afghans & destroying Afghaniatan🇦🇫.<br>We want peace.🙏</p>— Rashid Khan (@rashidkhan_19) <a href="https://twitter.com/rashidkhan_19/status/1425057234300641317?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 10, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

He should have tagged that rat Ashraf Gani.

Umm, now that I think about it, he is correct, Ashraf Gani is a mere puppet after all...

Feel for genuine Afghans like Rashid who have to bear this senseless bloodshed right in front of them.

May Allah SWT guide us all to peace.
 
US President Joe Biden has said he does not regret his decision to withdraw from Afghanistan, as officials say three more provincial capitals have fallen to the Taliban.

Nine out of the country's 34 provinces are now in the insurgents' hands as US troops continue their withdrawal.

The fall of the capitals of Badakhshan and Baghlan provinces to the northeast and Farah province to the west put increasing pressure on the country's central government to stem the tide of the Taliban's advance.

While Kabul itself has not been directly threatened in the advance, the offensive continues to stretch Afghan security forces now largely fighting against the insurgents on their own.

President Biden has ordered all US troops out of the country by the end of the month.

"Afghan leaders have to come together," Mr Biden told reporters at the White House, saying the Afghan troops outnumber the Taliban and must want to fight.

"They've got to fight for themselves, fight for their nation."

The US president said he does not regret his decision to withdraw, noting that Washington has spent more than $1trn over 20 years and lost thousands of troops.

He said the US continues to provide significant air support, food, equipment and salaries to Afghan forces.

In Kabul, Afghan President Ashraf Ghani said he was seeking help from regional militias he has squabbled with for years.

Tens of thousands of people have fled their homes in northern Afghanistan to escape battles that have overwhelmed their towns and villages.

Families have flowed into the capital, Kabul, living in parks and streets with little food or water.

At least 60,000 people, more than half of them children, have fled their homes in Kunduz alone since the weekend, Save the Children said

On Tuesday, residents described bombardment, gunfire and airstrikes pounding their neighbourhoods in multiple parts of the north, with civilians caught in the crossfire.

Some said that as the Taliban captured towns, it hunted down and killed male relatives of members of the police forces and quickly started imposing new restrictions on women.

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A new US intelligence assessment says Afghanistan’s capital could fall within 90 days after the Taliban armed group took more than a quarter of the country’s provincial capitals in less than a week.

The group has captured nine provincial capitals in Afghanistan since Friday, including Faizabad, Farah, Pul-e-Khumri, Sar-e-Pul, Sheberghan, Aybak, Kunduz, Taluqan and Zaranj.

The Taliban has already gained vast parts of rural Afghanistan since launching a series of offensives in May to coincide with the start of the final withdrawal of foreign forces.
 
Watch a whole convoy of the puppet ANA surrendering to Taliban (with commentary if you understand the language) :

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="ur" dir="rtl">قندوز میں افغان فورسز کے اہلکار کانوائے کی صورت میں طالبان کے سامنے سرنڈر کر رہے ہیں <a href="https://t.co/3Y5diPB23l">pic.twitter.com/3Y5diPB23l</a></p>— افغان اردو (@AfghanUrdu) <a href="https://twitter.com/AfghanUrdu/status/1425388063820296193?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 11, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
Watch these Herat (probably Shia) women getting ready to fight the Taliban.

Unlike Indian terrorist-consulates' sponsored NGO aunties, these women are getting ready to fight for their homes.

I'd be surprised if Herat is run over by Taliban. Even Kabul will be an easy win for them but in Herat they will find real local resistance


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="ur" dir="rtl">ہرات میں خواتین طالبان سے مقابلے کی تیاری کر رہی ہیں<br>ہرات پر طالبان کا حملہ کئی دنوں سے جاری ہے، مگر افغان فورسز اور اسماعیل ملیشیا کی جانب سے سخت مزاحمت کا سامنا ہے <a href="https://t.co/nQuTp8WolH">pic.twitter.com/nQuTp8WolH</a></p>— افغان اردو (@AfghanUrdu) <a href="https://twitter.com/AfghanUrdu/status/1425380560239796229?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 11, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
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Watch these Herat (probably Shia) women getting ready to fight the Taliban.

Unlike Indian terrorist-consulates' sponsored NGO aunties, these women are getting ready to fight for their homes.

I'd be surprised if Herat is run over by Taliban. Even Kabul will be an easy win for them but in Herat they will find real local resistance

Yes defo one of the toughest towns to capture for the Taliban. However the weapons the Taliban now have will be far too strong in the end. Lets hope not too many innocent civilians are killed, as capturing this town could see a bloodbath.

Overall I think the US and Pak will attempt some sort of agreement so Kabul isnt turned into rubble. It will probably end up with a majority Pashtun rule with the puppets getting a few seats on the table. This cant last though, after 12 months they will be kicked out , prob leaving for Europe under asylum.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Dear World Leaders! My country is in chaos,thousand of innocent people, including children & women, get martyred everyday, houses & properties being destructed.Thousand families displaced..<br>Don’t leave us in chaos. Stop killing Afghans & destroying Afghaniatan🇦🇫.<br>We want peace.🙏</p>— Rashid Khan (@rashidkhan_19) <a href="https://twitter.com/rashidkhan_19/status/1425057234300641317?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 10, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>


This is quite tragic and sad. However, perhaps it's his English skills where he should've rather said to the world, "Please help us in stopping the Talibans from killing the innocent and spreading destruction", but instead, he kinda said it in a way which gives the hint as if rest of the world is responsible for what's happening in Afghanistan. It's probably not. Afghans have to take a major part of the blame.

It will be perhaps unrealistic to many but perhaps one possible solution is to surrender to Talibans to immediately stop the killing of innocent and stop the destruction of infrastructure.

In the past, Rashid has pledged his allegiance with India quite a few times; however, he hasn't sent out an SOS call to his "brother country", I wonder why?
 
Mullah Yaqoob's (He is son of Mullah Omar) message to his Taliban:

Part 1:

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="ur" dir="rtl">تمام صوبوں میں نظم و ضبط کے لیے پولیس ہیڈکوارٹر فعال کیا جائے<br>لوگوں کے مال، جائیداد، بازار، دکانیں، ہسپتال کسی بھی چیز کو نقصان نہ پہنچے<br>عام لوگوں کے معمولات زندگی اور کاروبار بحال رہیں<br>طالبان ملٹری کمیشن کے سربراہ، ملاعمر کےبیٹے ملایعقوب کا آڈیو پیغام (اردو و انگریزی ترجمہ) 1/3 <a href="https://t.co/bY95Jz82Ue">pic.twitter.com/bY95Jz82Ue</a></p>— افغان اردو (@AfghanUrdu) <a href="https://twitter.com/AfghanUrdu/status/1425721594316525571?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 12, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="ur" dir="rtl">کسی سرکاری عہدیدار یا کمانڈر کےگھر میں داخل نہیں ہوسکتے<br>حکومت کےحامی لوگوں کے گھر جائیداد کاروبار کو نقصان نہیں پہنچایا جائےگا <br>ہتھیار ڈال کر گھر واپس آنےوالوں کو کچھ نہیں کہا جائےگا<br>نجی بینک معمول کےمطابق اپنا کام کریں، ہم حفاظت کریں گے۔ حکومتی بینکوں کی مکمل حفاظت کی جائے۔ 2/3 <a href="https://t.co/gtZSygNE7u">pic.twitter.com/gtZSygNE7u</a></p>— افغان اردو (@AfghanUrdu) <a href="https://twitter.com/AfghanUrdu/status/1425722890687762434?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 12, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="ur" dir="rtl">لوگوں کا دل اور بھروسہ جیتیں<br>ہر قسم کی بدنظمی ختم کی جائے<br>لوگوں کے جان و مال کی حفاظت یقینی بنائیں<br>ہتھیار ڈالنے والوں کو امان دی جائے، ان کی زندگی کی حفاظت کی جائے<br>طالبان ملٹری کمیشن کے سربراہ اور ملاعمر کے بیٹے ملا یعقوب کا آڈیو پیغام (اردو و انگریزی ترجمہ) 3/3 <a href="https://t.co/p7f9qWJkei">pic.twitter.com/p7f9qWJkei</a></p>— افغان اردو (@AfghanUrdu) <a href="https://twitter.com/AfghanUrdu/status/1425723496135634952?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 12, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

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On 7 May 2020 he was appointed head of the Taliban military commission, making him the insurgents' military chief.[6] On 29 May 2020, influential senior Taliban commander Mualana Muhammad Ali Jan Ahmed told Foreign Policy that Mullah Yaqoob became the acting leader to the entire Taliban after Akhundzada became infected with COVID-19, stating "Our hero, the son of our great leader, Mullah Yaqoob, is running the entire Taliban operation in Haibatullah's absence."
-Wikipedia
 
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Watch a BBC interview to Taliban administrators, in one of their controlled areas:



Taliban insurgents have been rapidly capturing territory in Afghanistan as nearly all remaining international troops withdraw.

In the past few months the militants have taken vast rural areas, multiple border crossings and now a number of Afghan cities.

Journalist Secunder Kermani was granted rare access to visit the group – meeting fighters stationed just a short drive away from one of the country’s largest cities.

There are concerns over how long the Afghan government will be able to fend them off before they are completely overtaken.
 
This is quite tragic and sad. However, perhaps it's his English skills where he should've rather said to the world, "Please help us in stopping the Talibans from killing the innocent and spreading destruction", but instead, he kinda said it in a way which gives the hint as if rest of the world is responsible for what's happening in Afghanistan. It's probably not. Afghans have to take a major part of the blame.

It will be perhaps unrealistic to many but perhaps one possible solution is to surrender to Talibans to immediately stop the killing of innocent and stop the destruction of infrastructure.

In the past, Rashid has pledged his allegiance with India quite a few times; however, he hasn't sent out an SOS call to his "brother country", I wonder why?

Rashid Khan earns his living in India, he's not going to bite the hand that feeds him. But rest of the Afghan population won't get the chance to earn even one rupee in India, so they aren't going to share his thoughts.

Only translators and millionaire cricketers want their govt to be enslaved to other nations, the rest of the population don't trust foreign powers to bring peace or stability.
 
Visit Market with Male Escort, No 'Revealing' Sandals: Taliban's 'Horrifying' Curbs on Afghan Women


https://www.news18.com/news/india/v...horrifying-curbs-on-afghan-women-4083599.html

Taliban Take Over Radio Station in Kandahar, Renames it 'Voice of Sharia', No More Music Likely


https://www.news18.com/news/world/t...e-of-sharia-no-more-music-likely-4084781.html

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Badhai ho.

The source your refering to is indian, not exactly going to get a balance view, even though I do agree the Taliban are a very very strict regime.
 
The Taliban won the war, its over now. Best option is to hope the Taliban can eventually modernize. They are thugs, but if western countries use aid as leverage, maybe the Taliban would be willing to let girls still attend school. And to not enforce draconian punishments.

Look at Vietnam, they beat the US but are thriving today. Maybe Afghanistan can one day have a similar level of development.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The Taliban entered the Iranian consulate in Mazar-e-Sharif and politely chatted with consulate staff; asked if the needed anything. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Afghanistan?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Afghanistan</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Iran?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Iran</a> <a href="https://t.co/B93DDs3gJc">pic.twitter.com/B93DDs3gJc</a></p>— Sharmine Narwani (@snarwani) <a href="https://twitter.com/snarwani/status/1426845330239336448?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 15, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
Visit Market with Male Escort, No 'Revealing' Sandals: Taliban's 'Horrifying' Curbs on Afghan Women


https://www.news18.com/news/india/v...horrifying-curbs-on-afghan-women-4083599.html

Taliban Take Over Radio Station in Kandahar, Renames it 'Voice of Sharia', No More Music Likely


https://www.news18.com/news/world/t...e-of-sharia-no-more-music-likely-4084781.html

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Badhai ho.

Taliban spokesperson in a live interview stated that women would have rights and are free to go about their daily lives as they currently do. This is coming out from the Taliban Spokesperson Suhail Shaheen, so it is absolutely credible. I would take Indian news sources with a pinch of salt and masala, as we all (including yourself) know how twisted their stories are.
 
The Taliban won the war, its over now. Best option is to hope the Taliban can eventually modernize. They are thugs, but if western countries use aid as leverage, maybe the Taliban would be willing to let girls still attend school. And to not enforce draconian punishments.

Look at Vietnam, they beat the US but are thriving today. Maybe Afghanistan can one day have a similar level of development.

Who were Saudis? They were pretty much the same as Taliban, and infact their strict laws were always there up until MBS came. So who knows if Taliban would do the same and modernize too.
 
Lol@ Indians crying all over twitter..after investing millions in Afghanistan, they are now in the mud.
 
Who were Saudis? They were pretty much the same as Taliban, and infact their strict laws were always there up until MBS came. So who knows if Taliban would do the same and modernize too.

They got rich. How are the afghans gonna get rich? The best they can hope for is building a agricultural economy and looking to exploit their connectivity for now. No idea how these guys are gonna run their country. In 1999-2000 they were sanctioned and had to deal with famine like conditions..
 
[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] dont you find it interesting that almost everyone here that supports the taliban govt in Afghanistan are those people that live abroad. Those people that have their freedoms and will not give up their freedoms but want others to give them up
 
People here actually believing the words of this Taliban mouth piece :))

When one eyed Mullah Omar use to exist, he would make claims that the Taliban were moderate and had asked Al Qaeda not to use their lands to plan attacks.

Remember one thing, whoever becomes the leader of Taliban or Afghanistan now doesnt really matter. Power would be held by the Taliban police. These are the folks that you see at the back of the hiace in the videos. These people who probably dont know how to write their own name will be dictating the faith of many.

Already many businesses like beauty parlours had to whitewash their walls due to it showing a female. Anyone who thinks Taliban will be modern THIS TIME, need to read up on history.

Most of the leadership group is the same as the 1996 one.
 
They got rich. How are the afghans gonna get rich? The best they can hope for is building a agricultural economy and looking to exploit their connectivity for now. No idea how these guys are gonna run their country. In 1999-2000 they were sanctioned and had to deal with famine like conditions..

From my research, Afghanistan is rich in rare earth metals and Lithium, something very important in batteries and other important things made in this world. Moreover, I feel China will invest and build connectivity, which will definitely benefit Afghanistan.

With Ghani govt that would be an issue as he doesn't have command throughout Afghanistan.

So that's my prediction, but we would eventually know in future if we were right, and if this was good or bad for Afghanistan.
 
Will Afghanistan be safer? Absolutely, under the gentlemen upheld and revered here:
 

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[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] dont you find it interesting that almost everyone here that supports the taliban govt in Afghanistan are those people that live abroad. Those people that have their freedoms and will not give up their freedoms but want others to give them up

Same people that support IK, hate the country they live in but wont make the move back :)))
 
[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] dont you find it interesting that almost everyone here that supports the taliban govt in Afghanistan are those people that live abroad. Those people that have their freedoms and will not give up their freedoms but want others to give them up

Yep. It's mainly the confused BBCDs who would barely go to Pakistan once in seven years, leave alone set up shop in Afghanistan/Syria/Libya/Yemen/Palestine.

The crocodile tears need to flow though, to help them with their perennial identity crisis.
 
Will never support Talibans hard line brutality if it still exists. However what I do find reassuring is no foreign regime will use Afgan soil again for terrorism activities in to Pakistan.
 
^Those who are rejoicing, get ready for blasts in your cities, schools, hospitals, shrines and neighbourhoods.
 
From my research, Afghanistan is rich in rare earth metals and Lithium, something very important in batteries and other important things made in this world. Moreover, I feel China will invest and build connectivity, which will definitely benefit Afghanistan.

With Ghani govt that would be an issue as he doesn't have command throughout Afghanistan.

So that's my prediction, but we would eventually know in future if we were right, and if this was good or bad for Afghanistan.

You mean taliban will forive ughyur stuff too? wow..that would be something
 
I happen to read all reports from almost all sources put of Kabul. I didn’t hear a single life being lost today after Taliban occupied the city. Infact few pictures of a crowd receiving Taliban became a big internet sensation.

Compare that to the day Kabul was conquered by US and NATO back in 2001, there was bloodshed, lots of it and multiple bombardment.

I think this Taliban is a lot different from what we saw in the 90s (when I came the policies). The western media and a lot of Indians expected a blood bath. I didnt are one. Infact even govt members were allowed to stay or leave without any trouble.
 
^Those who are rejoicing, get ready for blasts in your cities, schools, hospitals, shrines and neighbourhoods.

Now the foreign war is over , pakistan is not a particent to the conflict anymore .

So there will have to be talks with the Afghan taliban and ttp over the tribal areas.

What will probably be agreed is tribal areas are given autonomy again to the tribes and pakistan makes a deal with ttp to govern their areas in fata .

Because the only reason pakistan went into fata which is an extension of tribal afghanistan in first place was because of American pressure, because our troops never went there ever it was run by the qabalis themselves.
 
[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] dont you find it interesting that almost everyone here that supports the taliban govt in Afghanistan are those people that live abroad. Those people that have their freedoms and will not give up their freedoms but want others to give them up

Exactly. They play victim and cry about discrimination in their adopted countries.

You will also find that most of these people are hardcore PTI/Imran supporters, so it is not surprising at all.
 
Exactly. They play victim and cry about discrimination in their adopted countries.

You will also find that most of these people are hardcore PTI/Imran supporters, so it is not surprising at all.

Why you think they support Taliban govt? What is in it for them? I mean if someone lives in west/abroad would support democracy since they are used to living in 1st world countries. So I am confused why they would support a Taliban regime.
 
Yes hopefully Afghanistan finds nrw path of peace and stability.
In the end it's the common people are going to suffer if it turns out other way.
 
Exactly. They play victim and cry about discrimination in their adopted countries.

You will also find that most of these people are hardcore PTI/Imran supporters, so it is not surprising at all.

Many of them are now happy that there has been no bloodshed and are happy that their is no foreign intervention :facepalm

There is chaos at Hamid Karzai airport currently.

Peopl are so desperate to run away from the country.

Yesterday, alot of teachers from the kabul university were saying goodbye to their female students. For alot of female students, there 2-4 years of education is going to go to waste.

But we have so called fools living abroad that think this is goid for Afghanistan.
 
Many of them are now happy that there has been no bloodshed and are happy that their is no foreign intervention :facepalm

There is chaos at Hamid Karzai airport currently.

Peopl are so desperate to run away from the country.

Yesterday, alot of teachers from the kabul university were saying goodbye to their female students. For alot of female students, there 2-4 years of education is going to go to waste.

But we have so called fools living abroad that think this is goid for Afghanistan.

Someone should immediately invade Afghanistan and resume bombings. Only then, likes of you people will be happy.

:facepalm:
 
Someone should immediately invade Afghanistan and resume bombings. Only then, likes of you people will be happy.

:facepalm:

With Foreign powers existing the country had some law and order in placed. THere was security. As soon as they pull out the law and order will be under Taliban now.

You think Taliban is a regime that one should live under?

People are desperate to leave the country
 
You have to try harder dude.

TTP are finished and are literally on the run.

PTM have become orphans.

Their terrorist masters have evacuated Afghanistan weeks ago and now they are literally getting captured and paraded on Twitter.

Everyone knows Taliban are in a war against TTP/PTM terrorists.

So, try harder.

This is coming from the TTP chief. I am not sure why you need to bring India into everything.
 
With Foreign powers existing the country had some law and order in placed. THere was security. As soon as they pull out the law and order will be under Taliban now.

You think Taliban is a regime that one should live under?

People are desperate to leave the country

You mean the sort of law and order where dozens were bombed at weddings and funerals by some guy playing 'video game' in Nevada.

Afghanis should decide what sort of regime they prefer to live under, not you and me.
 
You mean the sort of law and order where dozens were bombed at weddings and funerals by some guy playing 'video game' in Nevada.

Afghanis should decide what sort of regime they prefer to live under, not you and me.

and they dont want to live under a Taliban regime as evident by the people running from the airports.

THere is no law and order, its just chaos.

People here cherishing that foreign regime is gone, dont have a single clue that it was the foreign regime that had law and order in place to some extent.

Now the situations is such that your district commissioner is not some parha likha person but some jahil with a Ak 47 on his shoulder who doesnt even know how to write his own name on paper.
 
[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] dont you find it interesting that almost everyone here that supports the taliban govt in Afghanistan are those people that live abroad. Those people that have their freedoms and will not give up their freedoms but want others to give them up

Ironic coming from people who live privileged lives far removed from the majority in their own country.

Even British (white) journalists are now saying that we have been misled for 20 years by Afghans who want western intervention. The truth is the Taliban could never have swept back into power without local support.

Afghans need to sort out their own problems and take responsibility for change themselves. Whether that is opening casinos and bars, or implementing sharia is totally up to them. Stop expecting outsiders to do all the work.
 
and they dont want to live under a Taliban regime as evident by the people running from the airports.

THere is no law and order, its just chaos.

People here cherishing that foreign regime is gone, dont have a single clue that it was the foreign regime that had law and order in place to some extent.

Now the situations is such that your district commissioner is not some parha likha person but some jahil with a Ak 47 on his shoulder who doesnt even know how to write his own name on paper.

People running now are not representatives of all Afghanistan. Taliban are not some foreign entity. They represent Afghan Pashtun population (almost 50% of Afghanistan) which were marginalized by previous regime.

If the Afghan people were really against Taliban then they would not have allowed them to take city after city, their three hundred thousand strong army wouldn't have surrendered and their 'elected' leader wouldn't run like a scared kitten to neighboring country.

Your 'parhe likhey' commissioners were busy in producing and smuggling opium. Had they done anything of service, people would have stood up for them.

The present chaos was inevitable as the status quo is disturbed after decades. But this is temporary, peace will prevail inshAllah.
 
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People running now are not representatives of all Afghanistan. Taliban are not some foreign entity. They represent Afghan Pashtun population (almost 50% of Afghanistan) which were marginalized by previous regime.

If the Afghan people were really against Taliban then they would have allowed them to take city after city, their three hundred thousand strong army wouldn't have surrendered and their 'elected' leader wouldn't run like a scared kitten to neighboring country.

Your 'parhe likhey' commissioners were busy in producing and smuggling opium. Had they done anything of service, people would have stood up for them.

The present chaos was inevitable as the status quo is disturbed after decades. But this is temporary, peace will prevail inshAllah.

when a person enters your city with ak47 in hands, you cant do anything about it.

Majority of the cities fell because they knew they couldn't stand up to it.

Swat and Mingora fell to TTP jjust like this. The locals did not want it, but they couldnt do anything about it as the security situation was bad.

For godsakes stop making the Afghan people actually want this, if they did want this people would had not been running on the tarmac to evacuate the country.

WHen someone enters your house with an ak 47 you cant do anything about it.
 
Ironic coming from people who live privileged lives far removed from the majority in their own country.

Even British (white) journalists are now saying that we have been misled for 20 years by Afghans who want western intervention. The truth is the Taliban could never have swept back into power without local support.

Afghans need to sort out their own problems and take responsibility for change themselves. Whether that is opening casinos and bars, or implementing sharia is totally up to them. Stop expecting outsiders to do all the work.

TTP came into Pakistan and took over Swat and even killed the army there. Infact, they army soldiers that TTP killed in Swat there bodies were hung around the city.

People fear weapons. WHen someone with a weapon enters people will have to give in. Even back than when Swat fell into ttp, alot of the local swat people had to join the TTP as they had no other choice.

Afghan people dont want Taliban, if they did there wouldn't be chaos in Kabul.

Afghanistan will not be able to sort out this on their own, unless the Taliban itself decides to have a proper govt in place.

But reality is its not happening. Taliban while claim to be students, but they are just people who know how to fight with Ak47s but dont know how to perform govt procedures. Majority of them dont know how to write their own name, which is why people know what is about to come.

Taliban isn't an answer to Afghanistans problems.

This is like saying that TLP is the answer to the problem of Pakistan.
 
when a person enters your city with ak47 in hands, you cant do anything about it.

Majority of the cities fell because they knew they couldn't stand up to it.

Swat and Mingora fell to TTP jjust like this. The locals did not want it, but they couldnt do anything about it as the security situation was bad.

For godsakes stop making the Afghan people actually want this, if they did want this people would had not been running on the tarmac to evacuate the country.

WHen someone enters your house with an ak 47 you cant do anything about it.

You are clueless as usual with Swat analogy. Miscreants there entered the city under guise of TNSM, a formal agreement with the government (your beloved PPP's). When the agreement was violated, military took care of the rebels. People of Swat didn't had to do anything. But in Afghanistan three hundred thousand strong army surrendered to few thousand Taliban fighters. Why do you think that happened ?

People running to airports now are a very small minority, mostly those who benefited from foreign occupation while their brethren outside Kabul were suffering

There are also people who are hugging and greeting with the Taliban, welcoming them in Kabul. Why are you ignoring them ?

People of Afghanistan have chosen the Taliban over foreign occupiers and their puppet rulers. You and I can do nothing.
 
This is coming from the TTP chief. I am not sure why you need to bring India into everything.

The terrorist dog barked this crap in July. Probably right after his last paycheck was delivered to him by Indians...


Watch Suhail Shaheen's interview right after, where he specifically said that TTP won't be allowed to keep on with their terrorist activities under Taliban control.
 
I posted this historical video in the other thread:

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Afghan People throwing shoes and stones to Afghan Army who ran away like cowards without even showing a little resistance to <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Taliban?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Taliban</a>.<br>For this is USA spent $88b to train them?<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Kabul?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Kabul</a> <a href="https://t.co/Hk6Z69xsHF">pic.twitter.com/Hk6Z69xsHF</a></p>— نـــــــادرخـــــــان (@imNadirkhan) <a href="https://twitter.com/imNadirkhan/status/1426866964958302208?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 15, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

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I hope CNN play it in their prime time news bulletin
 
You are clueless as usual with Swat analogy. Miscreants there entered the city under guise of TNSM, a formal agreement with the government (your beloved PPP's). When the agreement was violated, military took care of the rebels. People of Swat didn't had to do anything. But in Afghanistan three hundred thousand strong army surrendered to few thousand Taliban fighters. Why do you think that happened ?

People running to airports now are a very small minority, mostly those who benefited from foreign occupation while their brethren outside Kabul were suffering

There are also people who are hugging and greeting with the Taliban, welcoming them in Kabul. Why are you ignoring them ?

People of Afghanistan have chosen the Taliban over foreign occupiers and their puppet rulers. You and I can do nothing.

they captured swat in 2007, and the army was invovled in three main battles to take it back which continued tll 2008 and by 2009 they allowed shariah law to take place there.

The area was captured during hte army regime of Pakistan.


Very shameful and pathetic by you that you assume that the people fleeing are those that benefited from the foreign occupiers. Pathetic
 
The terrorist dog barked this crap in July. Probably right after his last paycheck was delivered to him by Indians...


Watch Suhail Shaheen's interview right after, where he specifically said that TTP won't be allowed to keep on with their terrorist activities under Taliban control.

Do not see it happening! They both are cousins to each other! Same ideology, same ethnicity and same barbarity!
 
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