Will Australia stop inviting Pakistan for summer tours?

[Convict]

Absolutely, yes.

The Lindt Cafe siege in 2014 certainly turned the vast majority of Australians into a position of at best fear and distrust and at worst hostility towards recognisably Muslim bearded Asians.

Australians are like Americans, They don’t read newspapers and they barely watch TV news and when they do it is local news with one or two international stories only. It’s no coincidence that it was an Aussie - Dean Jones - who likened Amla to a terrorist, and depressingly that is the overwhelming response of the public here. And given that most Aussies’ last exposure to a bearded Asian was a couple of weeks ago when the US military assassinated the leader of IS, the timing of this Pakistan tour is very unfortunate.

When Pakistan toured in 2016, Misbah’s beard was not so bushy, but he was already singled out by commentators here for exceptional criticism and contempt because of his appalling captaincy and because he scored less runs than Mohammad Amir.

I had my hair cut two days ago. The hairdresser asked me my plans for the next month and I told her that I’m going to Adelaide for the cricket. Her face fell. “You’re not going to watch those Pakistanis are you? My husband was watching them the other day. Are you sure that it’s safe - they look like a bunch of terrorists.”

I patiently explained to her that I grew up in England where there are lots of Pakistanis and that they are perfectly nice people who love their families like everyone else. I decided that I’d rather educate her than point out her casual and completely unjustified racism. When I left I thanked her and told her I’d see her in six weeks. “I hope so” she replied. “Be careful in Adelaide”.

This is the main threat to Pakistan tours of Australia. Most English clubs have long-standing links via overseas Pakistani professionals. Most New Zealanders are a lot more liberal than Australians.

But most Australians look at Pakistan’s players and see a stereotype that they barely understand but strongly fear and dislike. And that is the Elephant in the Room in this thread.

Your fantasies grow more pathetic by the day.

Anyone who has actually spoken to an Australian knows that the response you would get to saying you are going to Adelaide is disparaging comments about Adelaide.

[MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION]


Casual racism is a fact of life in Australia. At this year’s General Election the opposition Labor Party lost because it refused to swap voting preferences with the One Nation Party, as a result of which they failed to win a single seat north of Brisbane.
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The Labor Party didn't lose the election because One Nation (got 3% of the vote nation wide). The Labor Party lost because the Labor party has allowed the idea that it only cares about Melbourne and Sydney to entrench itself in WA and QLD - where the Labor party lost 35 - 11 in terms of seats.
In Queensland the Coalition got 44% of the primary vote compared to Labor's 27%.

The number one thing that proves you a liar is this.
The Australian public has no interest in this tour at all. Only cricket diehards are even aware that it is on. You haven't gone about hearing comments about this series because nobody cares about it.

And for cricketing diehards the only discussion point is the Australian batting lineup and the prevailing idea that Australia need to pick some talented youngsters because a home series against Pakistan is the ideal opportunity to boost their confidence by allowing them to score some easy runs.

 

[Convict]

[MENTION=79064]

The only household name in the Pakistan team in Australia is Wahab Riaz....and his tour is over. What we are left with now is a team of unknown players, many of whose appearance just triggers the prejudices of many Aussie fans.

Actually here is another thing that proves you have no idea about Australia.

Wahab Riaz has never been a household name in Australia. Nobody knows who he is. In Pakistan he is consider the guy who almost single-handedly won Pakistan the quarter final in the 2015 world cup.

In Australia that match is remembered as Shane Watson again proving himself to be an incompetent joke while Steve Smith easily won the match.
After Wasim and Waqar there have only been three Pakistani players who became "household" names in Australia - Afridi, Akhtar and Amir.

 

[Slog]

Actually here is another thing that proves you have no idea about Australia.

Wahab Riaz has never been a household name in Australia. Nobody knows who he is. In Pakistan he is consider the guy who almost single-handedly won Pakistan the quarter final in the 2015 world cup.

In Australia that match is remembered as Shane Watson again proving himself to be an incompetent joke while Steve Smith easily won the match.
After Wasim and Waqar there have only been three Pakistani players who became "household" names in Australia - Afridi, Akhtar and Amir.

hopefully Babar Azam after this tour...

 

[Monsee]

For Pakistan to win in Australia, Pak Needs to:

- Tour more frequently, every 4-5 years ensures most/all of the players are not the same and they have no prior experience. Or it has been so long that they don't adapt well in the short tour schedule

- Get batsmen like Babar, Harris, Rizwan, both the openers (whomever they be) some contracts to play a month or two right before the trip...even a club contract would be nice if not a higher level

- Same goes for bowlers as well, at least a month stint in the same year (when they tour) would help

- Have an Offie/Left Armer/Leggie who is a wicket taking threat (or don't go for quick runs when he is bowling, can contain to help the quickies) unlike Yasir on these wickets

- At least have one fast/medium pace bowler who is all line and length and can deviate the ball a few inches both ways when ever he needs to (a la Asif)

- Catching and fielding and fitness standards to be top notch as well

- Lastly more tours for A Teams, U19, U16 etc. (like Sajid mentioned as well)

Currently, you can barely check any of the above as covered, having at least 2-3 to start with would be nice to become competitive!

 

[prisha]

I see most of the indian players with beards and few with weird hair cuts. What is the opinion of Australians on these guys. These indian players look like pakistani players mostly. For a common white guy it is hard to differentiate.

 

[barah_admi]

The last time pak toured, they had the highest night test attendance in Australia up till that point.

The answer is, Pakistan still sells (they outsold india in england too in 2016). The problem is, if they continue to lose so often, their selling power will fall farther than it already has.

 

[dildilpak]

So according to Junaids if India-Australia series draw less crowd its bcoz of lack of talent in India or Australian crowd not interested in watching Indian players (recall his comments during the last Test series).

But if Pak series dont attract crowd its because of the beard & racism?

I have seen some ridiculous posts on this forum but this one really takes the cake - wrong on so many levels that i cannot wrap my mind around it.

 

[Hyperion66]

I was kidding earlier but it absolutely outrageous to even suggest such things like stopping a team from touring!! SENA teams including Aus has their fair share of humiliation in Asia.

 

[Boiz Played Well]

Well if Babar and Asad can keep partnering up like they are in the practice game Australia might even invite Pakistan for a third test next time round

 

[topspin]

If Misbah remains captain after the inevitable 2-0 whitewash that is coming our way then I think the Australian cricket board should stop inviting Pakistan for summer tours.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Why is Pakistan very competent in England but atrocious in Australia? [MENTION=9]Saj[/MENTION] [MENTION=93712]MenInG[/MENTION] [MENTION=53290]Markhor[/MENTION] @TheGreatKhan[MENTION=81]Monsee[/MENTION] [MENTION=43583]KingKhanWC[/MENTION] [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION]

From late 90s onwards, except the less talked about but very famous and iconic 3 match ODI series win in 2002 against a great Aussie team, Pakistan has literally nothing to show for in Australia.

This is the place where Pakistan won their only 50 overs world cup. Shouldn't that bring a lot of motivation?
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Bounce and Pace. All Asian sides struggle in Aus. India only won because they faced the weakest team Aus has produced in the last 30 years!

 

[BaankeJi]

Bounce and Pace. All Asian sides struggle in Aus. India only won because they faced the weakest team Aus has produced in the last 30 years!

All premier bowlers were there in Australian team. So Indian batsmen did not struggle.

 

[KingKhanWC]

All premier bowlers were there in Australian team. So Indian batsmen did not struggle.

I wrote you faced the weakest Aus team in 30 years. Either accept this or refute it?

 

[The_Odd_One]

Pakistan has a horrible record in Australia in the last 2 decade but let's not forget that there are always several years breaks between these tours. Unfortunately, some of these tours in recent past have come at worst times.

 

[dildilpak]

I wrote you faced the weakest Aus team in 30 years. Either accept this or refute it?

Weakest yes, but only in the batting department - the Aussie bowling still had the ranks of Starc, Cummins, Hazlewood, Lyon & yet they struggled to get Pujara out - Smith/Warner could have hardly helped with that. Hate to say it but credit needs to be given to the Indian batting unit where its due.

On the other hand a full strength Aussie team inspite of Smith’s exploits only managed to draw the Ashes against a weak English team which didnt even have Anderson. So definitely they aren’t that invincible as they are made out to be.

If we had a half decent bowling unit & a backup to Babar, i would have taken my chances against the present Aussie team.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Weakest yes, but only in the batting department - the Aussie bowling still had the ranks of Starc, Cummins, Hazlewood, Lyon & yet they struggled to get Pujara out - Smith/Warner could have hardly helped with that. Hate to say it but credit needs to be given to the Indian batting unit where its due.

On the other hand a full strength Aussie team inspite of Smith’s exploits only managed to draw the Ashes against a weak English team which didnt even have Anderson. So definitely they aren’t that invincible as they are made out to be.

If we had a half decent bowling unit & a backup to Babar, i would have taken my chances against the present Aussie team.

A full strength Aussie team would crush India, Pak, SA, WI, SL or Eng at home easily. Beating Aus in Aus when they have all their player avaiable is near impossible.

 

[dildilpak]

A full strength Aussie team would crush India, Pak, SA, WI, SL or Eng at home easily. Beating Aus in Aus when they have all their player avaiable is near impossible.

Thats also because of the inherent weakness in the Pak, SA, England test teams - India could still give them a good run for the money.

Also don’t forget, the pitches in Australia barring Perth dont offer the same pace & bounce anymore. If you have a good team It shouldn’t be too difficult to compete in Australia.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Thats also because of the inherent weakness in the Pak, SA, England test teams - India could still give them a good run for the money.

Also don’t forget, the pitches in Australia barring Perth dont offer the same pace & bounce anymore. If you have a good team It shouldn’t be too difficult to compete in Australia.

Sydney, Adelaide and Melbourne still have good bounce on the first couple days but yes not as much as the other venues.

Send any team inc India this summer, right now to Aus and they will all lose.

 

[JaDed]

Lol Junaids brought Convict out of the blue to comment, glad atleast its an Aussie debunking directly Junaids delusions.

 

[tyron_woodley]

Sydney, Adelaide and Melbourne still have good bounce on the first couple days but yes not as much as the other venues.

Send any team inc India this summer, right now to Aus and they will all lose.

send any team to india and they will get decimated.
lol india performs better on bouncy tracks. india usually loses on flat pitches in australia. Especially with bumah, shami etc it's not a good idea to prepare bouncy tracks.

 

[tyron_woodley]

A full strength Aussie team would crush India, Pak, SA, WI, SL or Eng at home easily. Beating Aus in Aus when they have all their player avaiable is near impossible.

They woudlnt crush a full strength indian side nor a full strength England side. india wins the toss then they will beat them.

 

[tyron_woodley]

Bounce and Pace. All Asian sides struggle in Aus. India only won because they faced the weakest team Aus has produced in the last 30 years!

the same team that india faced would beat every team that tours them black and blue.

 

[KingKhanWC]

send any team to india and they will get decimated.
lol india performs better on bouncy tracks. india usually loses on flat pitches in australia. Especially with bumah, shami etc it's not a good idea to prepare bouncy tracks.

Most test teams have a positive home record. Pakistan never lost a series at home for 20 years until England won.

Sure they do which is why one series win in Aus and no series win in SA, the two places where bounce is most. lol

the same team that india faced would beat every team that tours them black and blue.

If it makes you sleep well.

 

[BaankeJi]

I wrote you faced the weakest Aus team in 30 years. Either accept this or refute it?

You gave the reason of all asian teams struggling because of bounce and pace. India did not struggle there even though Australia had full strength bowling.

weakest in 30 years? That is debatable.

 

[Junaids]

Lol Junaids brought Convict out of the blue to comment, glad atleast its an Aussie debunking directly Junaids delusions.

With respect, I’m not going to get into an argument with someone who wasn’t there about a conversation that I had.

I maintain my point. Australians actually rather like having tourists who conveniently lose. The problem that Pakistan has is a lack of household names allied with the fact that most Australians are rather fearful about bearded Muslims from a country whose name ends in -stan.

I’ve lived here in Australia for 21 years. I’m pretty confident in what I know.

(Considering the last patient I saw yesterday was an 18 year old girl of mixed Natal Indian and Malay Muslim background. Who told me that when she walks around her home town with her grandmother, who wears a headscarf, she is accustomed to being verbally abused.)

I just hope the cricket is exciting, because the better poised it is, the less likely that bored viewers and spectators will focus on irrelevant ethnic nonsense.

 

[JaDed]

With respect, I’m not going to get into an argument with someone who wasn’t there about a conversation that I had.

I maintain my point. Australians actually rather like having tourists who conveniently lose. The problem that Pakistan has is a lack of household names allied with the fact that most Australians are rather fearful about bearded Muslims from a country whose name ends in -stan.

I’ve lived here in Australia for 21 years. I’m pretty confident in what I know.

(Considering the last patient I saw yesterday was an 18 year old girl of mixed Natal Indian and Malay Muslim background. Who told me that when she walks around her home town with her grandmother, who wears a headscarf, she is accustomed to being verbally abused.)

I just hope the cricket is exciting, because the better poised it is, the less likely that bored viewers and spectators will focus on irrelevant ethnic nonsense.

Seems like you randomly meet people everyday who are victims of racism or are racists.

 

[Boiz Played Well]

Well the first two days of the practice match should help sell tickets for the first test at least

 

[big_gamer007]

After the demolition just handed over to Australia A team, Aussie main team will sure hope CA stop inviting the mighty Pakistani team. They will be shaking in their boots right now.

 

[Titan24]

After the demolition just handed over to Australia A team, Aussie main team will sure hope CA stop inviting the mighty Pakistani team. They will be shaking in their boots right now.

And who can forget the heroics of Indian team as they were able to win one series in history and that consisted of 3 players in current Aus A and 4 test mediocres in Finch, Shaun, Mitchel Marsh and Pain. Surely they deserve to be invited again after beating few players of A team and few who couldnt even make the A team. They will now shake in their boots every time Indian team tours.

 

[tyron_woodley]

And who can forget the heroics of Indian team as they were able to win one series in history and that consisted of 3 players in current Aus A and 4 test mediocres in Finch, Shaun, Mitchel Marsh and Pain. Surely they deserve to be invited again after beating few players of A team and few who couldnt even make the A team. They will now shake in their boots every time Indian team tours.

lol the Australian team india faced would demolish every team that tours australia. Look at the bowling that versed india.
Australian batting In general is trash but they are decent enough to beat all teams at home with or without smith.

 

[tyron_woodley]

Most test teams have a positive home record. Pakistan never lost a series at home for 20 years until England won.

Sure they do which is why one series win in Aus and no series win in SA, the two places where bounce is most. lol




If it makes you sleep well.

rofl no. Most teams don't dominate at home these days. Every team has lost more than one series at home or drawn. They don't dominate at home like india. They don't crush teams at home like india.
India still compete well away and absolutely annihilate teams at home. The h2h record for the calender year will favour india hence the number 1 status.
lol india lost to s.africa on a swing frirndly pitch by batting first. Othetwise they would have lost every test against india. The one time the fodder saffers dished out an extremely bouncy pitch they got wrecked rofl. 3rd test.

India are very good on bouncy tracks. To beat india you win the toss and play on swing friendly pitches or make them completely flat like australia.

Beating india away is way too difficult. Under misbah it was actually possible for many teams to draw a series. Won't happen under kohli.

 

[Titan24]

lol the Australian team india faced would demolish every team that tours australia. Look at the bowling that versed india.
Australian batting In general is trash but they are decent enough to beat all teams at home with or without smith.

Answer was to a useless post which was intended to be funny by the looks of it. However, as you have started the discussion, none of the batsman in that Australian lineup had an average over 40 except Khawaja. Khawaja, Harris, Head who are bundled out for 120 odd by Imran Khan Snr were the so called pillar in that lineup with the support of mediocre test players like Finch, Shaun Marsh, Mithcel Marsh and Paine. None of the other decent teams faced them then so we will never know.

However, nobody can take away performance of India in that tour but when posts with pun intended are going to be posted when 3 main of total 7 batsmen played vs Aus are bundled out for 120 odd against Imran Khan Snr and people are gonna try to be cheeky than facts are gonna be presented.

 

[tyron_woodley]

Answer was to a useless post which was intended to be funny by the looks of it. However, as you have started the discussion, none of the batsman in that Australian lineup had an average over 40 except Khawaja. Khawaja, Harris, Head who are bundled out for 120 odd by Imran Khan Snr were the so called pillar in that lineup with the support of mediocre test players like Finch, Shaun Marsh, Mithcel Marsh and Paine. None of the other decent teams faced them then so we will never know.

However, nobody can take away performance of India in that tour but when posts with pun intended are going to be posted when 3 main of total 7 batsmen played vs Aus are bundled out for 120 odd against Imran Khan Snr and people are gonna try to be cheeky than facts are gonna be presented.

That's fair enough. Well I for one hope pakistan wins but the bowling attack the will play versus pakistan in Australian conditions are very good plus they can actually bat deep at home. That's the problem for pakistan.

Need to clean up the tail quickly. Shaheen would need to be fully fit.

Tbd Australia's batting is awful in general in terms of batting averages. Even marnus only averages 38 in domestic tournaments and he is the second best batsman after smith.

They have one Goat player in smith and then the rest are pretty much average to good. They are still excellent in home conditio s though. Good enough to beat everyone at home.

 

[andy0204]

That's fair enough. Well I for one hope pakistan wins but the bowling attack the will play versus pakistan in Australian conditions are very good plus they can actually bat deep at home. That's the problem for pakistan.

Need to clean up the tail quickly. Shaheen would need to be fully fit.

Tbd Australia's batting is awful in general in terms of batting averages. Even marnus only averages 38 in domestic tournaments and he is the second best batsman after smith.

They have one Goat player in smith and then the rest are pretty much average to good. They are still excellent in home conditio s though. Good enough to beat everyone at home.

This is where Smith edges Kohli in tests because not only he is performing but also carrying his team on his back.

 

[JaDed]

This is where Smith edges Kohli in tests because not only he is performing but also carrying his team on his back.

Smith Edges Kohli in tests in most departments hopefully Smith again becomes the captain coz right now he is unstoppable.

 

[Torpedo]

After this tour it will be 14 tests lost in a row.. Luckily no more test tours for Pakistan scheduled in the future to Australia so far

 

[Hasan123]

I don't see them inviting us for a while.

 

[Sidilicious]

No, it will be ridiculous to stop inviting Pakistan. However, Pakistan might not get more than 2 tests when they tour, and will be relegated as the secondary touring team (i.e. playing in Nov, rather than the Boxing Day and New year's test). They have so far been one of the big billing team whenever they toured.

India, England, SA and NZ will be touring every 4 years, and will be getting the primary spot. Unfortunately, the other teams will not be billed as the main touring sides.

 

[Boi]

Please put us out of our misery. We are an embarassment.

 

[ARK Rafay]

It just keeps getting better and better.

 

[BalluBalleBaaz]

Your fantasies grow more pathetic by the day.

Anyone who has actually spoken to an Australian knows that the response you would get to saying you are going to Adelaide is disparaging comments about Adelaide.



The Labor Party didn't lose the election because One Nation (got 3% of the vote nation wide). The Labor Party lost because the Labor party has allowed the idea that it only cares about Melbourne and Sydney to entrench itself in WA and QLD - where the Labor party lost 35 - 11 in terms of seats.
In Queensland the Coalition got 44% of the primary vote compared to Labor's 27%.

The number one thing that proves you a liar is this.
The Australian public has no interest in this tour at all. Only cricket diehards are even aware that it is on. You haven't gone about hearing comments about this series because nobody cares about it.

And for cricketing diehards the only discussion point is the Australian batting lineup and the prevailing idea that Australia need to pick some talented youngsters because a home series against Pakistan is the ideal opportunity to boost their confidence by allowing them to score some easy runs.

Correct! Labour party has been reduced to Melb and Syd and people who actually think labour can run the country with their pathetic policies need reality check.

As far as this series is concerned hardly anyone is switched on. If its not on 9 news then your everyday Aussies have no clue there is a series going on! Pakistan team needs step up to gain attention in media.

 

[AAli98]

Writing was on the wall after the pathetic T20i display.. pak teams should be nowhere near the Aus shores until at least 2035

 

[Varun]

Absolutely, yes.

The Lindt Cafe siege in 2014 certainly turned the vast majority of Australians into a position of at best fear and distrust and at worst hostility towards recognisably Muslim bearded Asians.

Australians are like Americans, They don’t read newspapers and they barely watch TV news and when they do it is local news with one or two international stories only. It’s no coincidence that it was an Aussie - Dean Jones - who likened Amla to a terrorist, and depressingly that is the overwhelming response of the public here. And given that most Aussies’ last exposure to a bearded Asian was a couple of weeks ago when the US military assassinated the leader of IS, the timing of this Pakistan tour is very unfortunate.

When Pakistan toured in 2016, Misbah’s beard was not so bushy, but he was already singled out by commentators here for exceptional criticism and contempt because of his appalling captaincy and because he scored less runs than Mohammad Amir.

I had my hair cut two days ago. The hairdresser asked me my plans for the next month and I told her that I’m going to Adelaide for the cricket. Her face fell. “You’re not going to watch those Pakistanis are you? My husband was watching them the other day. Are you sure that it’s safe - they look like a bunch of terrorists.”

I patiently explained to her that I grew up in England where there are lots of Pakistanis and that they are perfectly nice people who love their families like everyone else. I decided that I’d rather educate her than point out her casual and completely unjustified racism. When I left I thanked her and told her I’d see her in six weeks. “I hope so” she replied. “Be careful in Adelaide”.

This is the main threat to Pakistan tours of Australia. Most English clubs have long-standing links via overseas Pakistani professionals. Most New Zealanders are a lot more liberal than Australians.

But most Australians look at Pakistan’s players and see a stereotype that they barely understand but strongly fear and dislike. And that is the Elephant in the Room in this thread.

Ahahaha this has to be the worst post of the year!

You're not even Australian. Probably confused like Tony Greig at best.

 

[Torpedo]

woohoo no more test tours to Australia anymore! 14 tests lost on the bounce!

Can anyone show me Australia losing 14 tests in a row in Pakistan/UAE or even the subcontinent as a whole?

 

[Torpedo]

There is no way now Australia will want to host Pakistan for a home test series in the next 10 years at least

 

[MenInG]

There is no way now Australia will want to host Pakistan for a home test series in the next 10 years at least

Where does this come from?

There is an FTP, WTC etc

 

[Cricket Warrior]

If Pakistani team continues to play like this then surely they leave them behind and move on.

 

[ElRaja]

pak dont deserve 3 test series, can imagine them moving down to 2 going forward. its a waste of time for all involved really.

 

[gibsyhesperis]

Pakistan have always been pretty useless in Australia.
Let‘s cast are minds back to 2004 when Pak were bowled out for 72 to lose by almost 500 runs.

To put his in context for younger PPers, the middle order was Younis Khan, Inzammam and M Yousuf who had over 25 000 runs between them.

You can change the players but the result will always be the same — the two toughest tours on the circuit are Aus and India.
At least we avoid one of them.

 

[batandballbattle]

The same question being asked 7 years after the thread was made.
The aussie veterans in the side must be feeling sorry for us by now.

 

[Firebat]

We had a 2 Test series last time, not sure what happened in the last 4 years that made Australia give us an extra one lol

 

[sweep_shot]

This is a part of WTC. Aussies have no control here.

Also, how many teams win in Australia? Only India and South Africa have won in Australia since 2012. All other teams have failed to win a single Test.

Australia have no reason to stop invitation to Pakistan. But, I think they can make it a 2-match series.

 

[ahmadharis1]

On the contrary, Australia will keep inviting Pakistan every summer for the guaranteed WTC points

 

[Swashbuckler]

Aussies love winning, their home seasons are like carnival, so they don't really worry about such things.

 

[SportsWarrior]

Pakistan is a mid tier team and Australia will host them. Looking at so low crowds and poor performances by Pakistan it is very much possible they may reduce it to mini required by the WTC, two test series

 

[The_KING]

Why would Australia do that? Playing Pakistan means easy WTC points and a great opportunity for Australian players to boost their averages. On merit though, Pakistan doesn't even deserve to play a single test match in Australia.

 

[Savak]

Cricket Australia Ceo confirmed that Australia only makes a big profit with India tours Australia or when they host the Ashes at home. All other teams who tour Australia basically make losses for Cricket Australia

 

[Suleiman]

Cricket Australia Ceo confirmed that Australia only makes a big profit with India tours Australia or when they host the Ashes at home. All other teams who tour Australia basically make losses for Cricket Australia

That’s interesting. No mention of South Africa which have also been as successful as India and England, if not more during the Smith era… crazy that SA also results in net loss..

 

[volcyz]

Afghanistan wouldve put up a better fight

 

[deltexas]

Cricket Australia Ceo confirmed that Australia only makes a big profit with India tours Australia or when they host the Ashes at home. All other teams who tour Australia basically make losses for Cricket Australia

Yes that's true. Even SA touring aus doesn't make big profits. Only ind touring or ashes are the big ticket tours. That's why I believe pak and all other countries except ind aus eng - should stop playing test cricket and focus on t20s as that's more viable profitable sustainable and the way of the future with the younger generation preferring t20 unanimously

 

[Suleiman]

Afghanistan wouldve put up a better fight

Not even a hyperbole. The difference in body language, swagger, and overall energy of Afghanistan and Pakistan was staggering at the WC.

People pin Pakistan’s entire free fall as a cricket nation on the economy… but then ignore cases like Afghanistan.

Brazil and Argentina are far from first world countries yet still produce world class units in football. Hardly an excuse.

 

[MenInG]

Afghanistan wouldve put up a better fight

Test match?

Yes they would have swaggered themselves to 10 All out on this pitch.

Let's not make wild comparisons.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Cricket Australia Ceo confirmed that Australia only makes a big profit with India tours Australia or when they host the Ashes at home. All other teams who tour Australia basically make losses for Cricket Australia

Was this ever in doubt?

Test cricket is a loss making exercise except when Big 3 play each other or when one of England or India tour another country but increasingly even that is not true

South Africa are only playing India for 2 Tests. CSA have given up on Test cricket.

 

[kron]

Test match?

Yes they would have swaggered themselves to 10 All out on this pitch.

Let's not make wild comparisons.

People will spout all sorts of stuff. Afghan won't last till day 2. Aussies would have plundered 800 in a day.

 

[kron]

Not even a hyperbole. The difference in body language, swagger, and overall energy of Afghanistan and Pakistan was staggering at the WC.

People pin Pakistan’s entire free fall as a cricket nation on the economy… but then ignore cases like Afghanistan.

Brazil and Argentina are far from first world countries yet still produce world class units in football. Hardly an excuse.

Can't compare. Compared to our country, Argentina and Brazil are like Singapore. Much more wealthier.

 

[sindhiboy]

This one test match was still more entertaining than any of the 3 ashes series played in Australia imo.

Australia keep on inviting England, who havent won a single test out of any of the last 15 tests in Australia.

 

[volcyz]

People will spout all sorts of stuff. Afghan won't last till day 2. Aussies would have plundered 800 in a day.

Wouldn't even trust Pakistan to be able to beat Afghanistan on Australian pitches

 

[adi_62941]

Pakistan have always been pretty useless in Australia.
Let‘s cast are minds back to 2004 when Pak were bowled out for 72 to lose by almost 500 runs.

To put his in context for younger PPers, the middle order was Younis Khan, Inzammam and M Yousuf who had over 25 000 runs between them.

You can change the players but the result will always be the same — the two toughest tours on the circuit are Aus and India.
At least we avoid one of them.

Also we had a middle order of azhar ali, younis, misbah, asad shafique and sarfraz getting all out on 47 against SAF in 2013 i guess. The problem is that we are too inconsistent and unpredictable.

 

[Hitman]

When Pakistan last won a Test in Australia:

- Tendulkar only had 2,483 Test runs, 3,212 ODI runs and 12 international centuries.

- Muralitharan only had 111 international wickets out of 1,331.

- Ricky Ponting was yet to make his Test debut.

- Australia won only 1 World Cup.

 

[cricketjoshila]

This is a part of WTC. Aussies have no control here.

Also, how many teams win in Australia? Only India and South Africa have won in Australia since 2012. All other teams have failed to win a single Test.

Australia have no reason to stop invitation to Pakistan. But, I think they can make it a 2-match series.

Aussies have every control over the WTC schedule. All boards decide who they tour or invite to tour on a bilateral basis.

Pakistan will ofcourse be invited to play in Australia as will the WI.

Its a 3 year WTC so Australia needs 6 teams to tour.

India England NZ and SA are the most likely teams who will be invited. They need two more teams. So pakistan WI SL will get their slots.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Cricket Australia Ceo confirmed that Australia only makes a big profit with India tours Australia or when they host the Ashes at home. All other teams who tour Australia basically make losses for Cricket Australia

Correct. Same for England.

 

[Suleiman]

When Pakistan last won a Test in Australia:

- Tendulkar only had 2,483 Test runs, 3,212 ODI runs and 12 international centuries.

- Muralitharan only had 111 international wickets out of 1,331.

- Ricky Ponting was yet to make his Test debut.

- Australia won only 1 World Cup.

And Pakistan was still whooping India almost every time they played each other.

Good times. Thanks for the nostalgia trip.

 

[Statpadder Inc]

And Pakistan was still whooping India almost every time they played each other.

Good times. Thanks for the nostalgia trip.

Still lost to India I'm every wc match they met in. Sharjah cup bullies

 

[Major]

Afghanistan wouldve put up a better fight

how so?

Afghanistan doesnt have a pace attack. They rely on spinners. Australian wickets are not spin wickets they are pace bowling wickets.

Their batting would had also struggled here.

Atleast try to be logical if you want to put down another country.

India lost a World Cup final to Australia while playing in India. Still you never saw anyone of us say that Afghanistan would not given a better fight than India in the final.

some really petty stuff by the usual lot that were hiding after the world cup final and starting to rise from their holes during this tour

 

[AamchiMumbaikar]

Reduced to 2 match series.

Nz deserve more tests. Afg too deserve a 5 match odi/T20 series against Aus

 

[AamchiMumbaikar]

how so?

Afghanistan doesnt have a pace attack. They rely on spinners. Australian wickets are not spin wickets they are pace bowling wickets.

Their batting would had also struggled here.

Atleast try to be logical if you want to put down another country.

India lost a World Cup final to Australia while playing in India. Still you never saw anyone of us say that Afghanistan would not given a better fight than India in the final.

some really petty stuff by the usual lot that were hiding after the world cup final and starting to rise from their holes during this tour

I guess he meant in white ball. Tests no way

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Was this ever in doubt?

Test cricket is a loss making exercise except when Big 3 play each other or when one of England or India tour another country but increasingly even that is not true

South Africa are only playing India for 2 Tests. CSA have given up on Test cricket.

Big 3 should just play each other and forget the rest. Make them all 9 test series to fill the schedule.

 

[Savak]

Was this ever in doubt?

Test cricket is a loss making exercise except when Big 3 play each other or when one of England or India tour another country but increasingly even that is not true

South Africa are only playing India for 2 Tests. CSA have given up on Test cricket.

CSA has apparently been in a loss position for the past 2 years but this one Indian tour is going to provide them $55 million and will wipe out these losses in one stroke.

 

[Markhor]

I'm sure there'll be more discussion about limiting Test cricket outside the Big 3 nations after this series. However are the likes of PAK, SL, WI, and BD faring much better in the white-ball formats ?

Instead of further narrowing the scope of international cricket, shouldn't we look to revive the weaker nations to see more competitive and compelling bilateral series ?

ICC would go some way to achieve this by doing the following:

1) Introduce cost-saving and cost-sharing measures so poorer boards can limit the losses of hosting series. Why must teams always stay in 5* hotels ?

2) Sanctions boards guilty of political interference.

3) Create a committee that specifically oversees cricket infrastructure, and set aside funds (only if boards meet good governance criteria) for improvement. There's massive variance in facilities between the richer and poorer nations. For instance, Dwayne Bravo recently said the Queens Park Oval ground in Trinidad hasn't changed since the 90s. Even a B stadium in India has better practice wickets, changing areas etc.

4) Introduce windows for T20 leagues to ensure the best players can both remain available as much as reasonably possible for national duty and also support their incomes by playing for franchises.

Otherwise we're headed down a road where cricket T20 franchises like football clubs will be the primary master of players who will occasionally be released to their countries with internationals having zero relevance outside tournaments.

 

[shah9425]

Yeah it's waste of time

Our team doesn't even try to fight