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Will Boycott of Russia hurt you in the West?

NATO cannot “rake in” anything because NATO is not a government. Countries choose to join the Alliance because they want protection from Russia, because they remember Russian domination and want self-determination. That was what the Euromaidan was about. They can achieve self-determination under NATO’s shield. Outside it, they risk being gobbled up again like Ukraine is being gobbled up now.

I don’t understand the relevance of your second point. I am talking about the minds of despots. Appeasing a despot does not work. Didn’t work in 1938, doesn’t work in 2022.
And pigs fly.
The USA, and it's military sidekick the UK, uses a carrot and stick approach to ensure small European nations, formerly part of the Soviet Union, end up joining NATO.
 
And thereby conveniently ignoring the point about who/what power (state) had a large part in undermining Corbyn and the chances of Labour winning.

I guess you must be extremely happy that a foreign power (Israel) and it's supporters is heavily influencing UK politics just as it does US politics.

Going by the, now confirmed fact, that Labour insiders were actively trying to get Labour (under Corbyn) to lose, it seems likely that Labour would have won the election in 2017 were it not for the enemy within.

I don’t think it does. That’s conspiracy theory.

Good for the “Labour insiders”. Now we have properly capable people in charge of Labour again, instead of superannuated student activists.
 
And pigs fly.
The USA, and it's military sidekick the UK, uses a carrot and stick approach to ensure small European nations, formerly part of the Soviet Union, end up joining NATO.

Good for the small European nations. Better to be prosperous and free as part of the EU and shielded by NATO than reabsorbed by the despots, of which they have direct experience.

The little nations have agency, you know. When it looked like the President of Ukraine was about to cave to Moscow by joining the Eastern Economic Bloc instead of EU as promised, the people rose up in vast numbers in the Euromaidan. So Ukraine changed course, and Putin promptly showed his true colours and invaded Crimea.
 
Good for the small European nations. Better to be prosperous and free as part of the EU and shielded by NATO than reabsorbed by the despots, of which they have direct experience.

The little nations have agency, you know. When it looked like the President of Ukraine was about to cave to Moscow by joining the Eastern Economic Bloc instead of EU as promised, the people rose up in vast numbers in the Euromaidan. So Ukraine changed course, and Putin promptly showed his true colours and invaded Crimea.

And everyone sat back and let him....you have to question why now? Is is post covid war mongering, is it the US restating their dominance after the debacle that was the pull-out of Afghanistan!
 
US/NATO should stop prolonging the war. It is affecting people living in the west and outside of west (including myself).

It is hypocritical for USA to get involved when they have invaded multiple countries in the past. Did Russia get involved then?

US/NATO should pull out. Russia and Ukraine should resolve this diplomatically. Go back to status quo. This should be the template.
 
Europe gas shortages to last several winters, Shell boss warns

Europe’s energy crisis will last for several winters, the boss of Shell has said, as he warned it is "fantasy" to think shortages caused by Russia cutting supplies can be resolved quickly.

Ben van Beurden told a conference in Norway that power rationing will be needed for a number of years as electricity prices hit fresh record highs.

He said: “I do not think this crisis is going to be limited to just one winter.

“It may well be that we have a number of winters where we have to somehow find solutions through efficiency savings, through rationing, and through a very quick build out of alternatives that you may have [such as] alternative gas imports [and] hopefully alternative energy sources.”

His warning came as Elon Musk, the founder of electric car maker Tesla, said the world needed to continue extracting oil and gas while it builds out renewable energy.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/busines...as-shortages-last-several-winters-boss-warns/

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Putin has played a blinder. Aside from the economic and energy carnage in Europe for years to come, there is no doubt the politics of EU will now give rise to right-wing fascist parties.

Revolution in Europe around the corner folks! But hey, it’s a price worth paying for liberation - this is the sound bite the MSM is spinning!
 
EU faces awful winters without gas cap - minister

European Union countries will face five to 10 terrible winters if nothing is done to reduce gas prices, Belgium's energy minister says.

Tinne Van der Straeten said gas prices should be frozen and not used to dictate the price of electricity.

EU states have been struggling with huge energy price hikes since key gas supplier Russia invaded Ukraine in February, triggering sanctions.

Countries backing Ukraine are trying to cut imports of Russian gas and oil.

Russia, which supplied the EU with 40% of its gas last year, has in turn restricted supplies.

As well as gas, electricity prices have reached record highs.

Natural gas is still widely used to generate electricity. Because gas prices have risen, this costs more.

Significantly, this price is used when buying electricity wholesale even when it comes from much cheaper renewable resources.

"We have to stop this madness that is happening right now on energy markets," Austria's Chancellor Karl Nehammer said.

"We cannot let [Russian President Vladimir] Putin determine the European electricity price every day," he added.

EU Commission President Ursula von der Leyen also criticised the method used to price electricity being sold on the EU market.

Speaking to reporters in Slovenia, she said the bloc was preparing "structural" emergency reforms that would tackle high costs - but did not give further details.

Read more: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-62710522
 
Good for the small European nations. Better to be prosperous and free as part of the EU and shielded by NATO than reabsorbed by the despots, of which they have direct experience.

The little nations have agency, you know. When it looked like the President of Ukraine was about to cave to Moscow by joining the Eastern Economic Bloc instead of EU as promised, the people rose up in vast numbers in the Euromaidan. So Ukraine changed course, and Putin promptly showed his true colours and invaded Crimea.

Please think of other Brits. We will be fine but many wont.

Rising energy prices will mean pensioners die this winter, warns Age UK

“The latest forecasts for energy bills are unprecedented and will be unaffordable for millions, including many pensioners who depend on their State Pension to make ends meet.

“The impact on the health of their patients, particularly older people living with frailty and long term health conditions such as respiratory and cardiovascular disease, and the consequences of piling avoidable demand on an already overstretched NHS and social care system, are truly frightening.

https://www.carehomeprofessional.co...mean-pensioners-die-this-winter-warns-age-uk/

Many of these elderly folk fought and worked hard in WW2. We cannot be ok with them suffering because some feel this is some James Bond movie where the evil Russians need to be dealt with?

Why should a SINGLE British pensioner die because of Ukraine? Please explain this as its confusing.
 
https://www.carehomeprofessional.co...mean-pensioners-die-this-winter-warns-age-uk/

Many of these elderly folk fought and worked hard in WW2. We cannot be ok with them suffering because some feel this is some James Bond movie where the evil Russians need to be dealt with?

Why should a SINGLE British pensioner die because of Ukraine? Please explain this as its confusing.

You could just as easily say that Britain should not have fought Hitler because food rationing would have hurt the Boer War veterans.

There are very few WW2 veterans left. Anyone who fought is over 100. But any of them will tell you that despots today must be resisted, just as they were in 1940.
 
You could just as easily say that Britain should not have fought Hitler because food rationing would have hurt the Boer War veterans.

There are very few WW2 veterans left. Anyone who fought is over 100. But any of them will tell you that despots today must be resisted, just as they were in 1940.

Hitler was bombing or did bomb the UK. Russia has no intention even now.

Veterans or not, dont you think the lives of fellow Brits are more important than the lives of Ukranians esp Nazis?
 
Hitler was bombing or did bomb the UK. Russia has no intention even now.

Veterans or not, dont you think the lives of fellow Brits are more important than the lives of Ukranians esp Nazis?

In fact UK declared war on Nazi Germany nine months before the bombing campaign on UK began.

You are hung up on the Azov Regiment but there were only ever a couple of thousand of them and no doubt fewer now. Every country has far right extremists including UK. Azov Regiment are a response to Putin invading Crimea. Violence begets more violence.

I don’t think one life is more valuable than another. Ukrainian lives and British lives have equal value to me.

I believe that democracy must be upheld in order for people to thrive, and sometimes protected by military force. Ukraine is upholding democracy against attack from Putin and they must be supported.
 
Pubs closure warning: 'My energy bill went to £35,000 from £13,000'

Pubs across the UK will be forced to close due to energy costs soaring by as much as 300%, brewery bosses have said.

Leaders of six of the country's largest breweries have called for "immediate government intervention" on sky-high energy bills this winter.

The landlord of one pub in Essex told the BBC that his energy costs had risen from about £13,000 a year to £35,000.

Pub owners said the energy crisis would cause "real and serious irreversible" damage to the industry without support.

In an open letter to the government, six pub and brewing groups - JW Lees, Carlsberg Marston's, Admiral Taverns, Drake & Morgan, Greene King and St Austell Brewery - called for urgent intervention, including a support package and a cap on the price of energy for businesses.

Rocketing energy bills come at a time when the number of pubs in England and Wales is falling, hitting the lowest level on record - 39,970 in June, according to analysis.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-62688692

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Who cares if businesses are going bust right?

"It's a price worth paying"
 
In fact UK declared war on Nazi Germany nine months before the bombing campaign on UK began.

You are hung up on the Azov Regiment but there were only ever a couple of thousand of them and no doubt fewer now. Every country has far right extremists including UK. Azov Regiment are a response to Putin invading Crimea. Violence begets more violence.

I don’t think one life is more valuable than another. Ukrainian lives and British lives have equal value to me.

I believe that democracy must be upheld in order for people to thrive, and sometimes protected by military force. Ukraine is upholding democracy against attack from Putin and they must be supported.

No country has a national guard of Nazis but Ukraine. Its ok keep ignoring this point.

There are many of them, thousands have been sent to hell but many still exist. Its not me promoting them but your beloved British media Robert.

 
Pubs closure warning: 'My energy bill went to £35,000 from £13,000'

Have you had a scan through the tabloids? Have you seen Reddit or MSE forums? This is where many of the common man spends their time. The mood is changing rapidly. I'm seeing so many comments of this sort:

- We need this war to end now
- Putin wants Ukraine, he's not coming to London
- Who cares about Ukraine when my own parents can't pay their most recent bill

This is what it is like right now. In October the cap goes up and you'll get a lot more serious comments.
 
Can someone explain what is the average utility bills (gas/water/electricity/council tax) expenditure of an MP’s household and who pays for them?
 
Have you had a scan through the tabloids? Have you seen Reddit or MSE forums? This is where many of the common man spends their time. The mood is changing rapidly. I'm seeing so many comments of this sort:

- We need this war to end now
- Putin wants Ukraine, he's not coming to London
- Who cares about Ukraine when my own parents can't pay their most recent bill

This is what it is like right now. In October the cap goes up and you'll get a lot more serious comments.

This was all planned by the globalists and build back better

They want to destroy the economy and all small businesses first was the covid lockdowns and the hysteria caused over what is essentially a flu like virus and now they moved ahead by deliberately provoking Russia into a conflict
 
Russia has completely halted gas supplies to Europe via a major pipeline, saying repairs are needed.

The Russian state-owned energy giant, Gazprom, said the restrictions on the Nord Stream 1 pipeline would last for the next three days.

Russia has already significantly reduced gas exports via the pipeline.

It also rejects accusations of using energy supplies as a way to punish Western nations for imposing sanctions over the invasion of Ukraine.

The Nord Stream 1 pipeline stretches 1,200km (745 miles) under the Baltic Sea from the Russian coast near St Petersburg to north-eastern Germany.

It opened in 2011, and can send a maximum of 170m cubic metres of gas per day from Russia to Germany.

The pipeline was shut down for 10 days in July - again for repairs, according to Russia - and has recently been operating at just 20% capacity because of what Russia describes as faulty equipment.

European leaders fear Russia could extend the outage in an attempt to drive up gas prices, which have already risen by 400%.

The steep rise threatens to create a cost of living crisis over the winter months, potentially forcing governments to spend billions to ease the burden.

On Tuesday, French Energy Minister Transition Minister Agnes Pannier-Runacher accused Russia of "using gas as a weapon of war".

She was speaking after Gazprom said it would be suspending gas deliveries to the French energy company Engie.

But Russian President Vladimir Putin's spokesman has rejected the accusations and insisted that Western sanctions have caused the interruptions by damaging Russian infrastructure.

He insisted that that "technological problems" caused by Western sanctions are the only thing preventing Russia from supplying gas via the pipeline, without specifying what the problems were.

The most recent controversy has been over a turbine which arrived in Germany after being repaired in Canada and which Russia refused to take back , arguing it was subject to the Western sanctions.

Germany, however, denies this.

Earlier this month, Economy Minister Robert Habeck said the pipeline was fully operational and said there were no technical issues as claimed by Russia.

Earlier this week, EU Commission President Ursula von der Leyen promised to intervene in energy markets, telling a conference in Slovenia that they are "no longer fit for purpose".

"We need a new market model for electricity that really functions and brings us back into balance," she said.

Last week, the BBC revealed that Russia has been burning off an estimated $10m (£8.4m) worth of gas every day at a plant near the Finnish border.

BBC
 
Have you had a scan through the tabloids? Have you seen Reddit or MSE forums? This is where many of the common man spends their time. The mood is changing rapidly. I'm seeing so many comments of this sort:

- We need this war to end now
- Putin wants Ukraine, he's not coming to London
- Who cares about Ukraine when my own parents can't pay their most recent bill

This is what it is like right now. In October the cap goes up and you'll get a lot more serious comments.

Indeed. I am reading comments sections on Tabloids and Broadsheet's, and the opinion of the war is changing rapidly.

What people are failing to realise is that the cap only applies to residents, but not businesses. Business are struggling as it is with massive reduction in footfall, and now with energy prices on the up, businesses have no option but to pass on the costs to customers, which the customer cannot afford because taxes are on the up, interest rates are on the up, and more on the horizon.

Before the war, no on really cared about Ukraine, in fact Ukraine was in the news for other reasons such as racism at football matches. With the war, the MSM went into full gear, and as expected, brainwashed the masses into caring for Ukraine. However brainwashing can only have a certain amount of effect and is easily undone when people start sensing the realities, and right now, affordability and economic survival is the reality.

What happened during Covid 19, with the deaths across the nation, even though I feel the numbers were sensationalised, will not have a touch on what we are about to witness this winter.

Elderly will not have enough money to pay for energy bills, let alone for food, and will die. The poor will fall into the same category and resort to crime. The middle class will rush for savings or cash in on investments causing a sell off in the markets, if they have any, and ultimately cut down on spending, impacting the consumer market thus businesses. Higher rates will mean less disposal income for those in debt, and of course the property market will decline as lending will become more expensive. Businesses will shift from low profit margins into losses. Government yields will ramp up making it more expensive for the government to borrow. All the pieces for economic armageddon are moving into place.

But hey, as NATO apologists say - it's a price worth paying - delusional muppets.
 
Indeed. I am reading comments sections on Tabloids and Broadsheet's, and the opinion of the war is changing rapidly.

What people are failing to realise is that the cap only applies to residents, but not businesses. Business are struggling as it is with massive reduction in footfall, and now with energy prices on the up, businesses have no option but to pass on the costs to customers, which the customer cannot afford because taxes are on the up, interest rates are on the up, and more on the horizon.

Before the war, no on really cared about Ukraine, in fact Ukraine was in the news for other reasons such as racism at football matches. With the war, the MSM went into full gear, and as expected, brainwashed the masses into caring for Ukraine. However brainwashing can only have a certain amount of effect and is easily undone when people start sensing the realities, and right now, affordability and economic survival is the reality.

What happened during Covid 19, with the deaths across the nation, even though I feel the numbers were sensationalised, will not have a touch on what we are about to witness this winter.

Elderly will not have enough money to pay for energy bills, let alone for food, and will die. The poor will fall into the same category and resort to crime. The middle class will rush for savings or cash in on investments causing a sell off in the markets, if they have any, and ultimately cut down on spending, impacting the consumer market thus businesses. Higher rates will mean less disposal income for those in debt, and of course the property market will decline as lending will become more expensive. Businesses will shift from low profit margins into losses. Government yields will ramp up making it more expensive for the government to borrow. All the pieces for economic armageddon are moving into place.

But hey, as NATO apologists say - it's a price worth paying - delusional muppets.

Nailed it!

Its defo not a price worth paying for the reasons you point out.

Europe is now introducing new energy saving measures.

Ive been to Germany it was a great modern nation.

Now

"Tenants in Germany have more scope to save energy – such as turning the heating down past the stipulated minimum temperature

Ban on heating private pools using gas or electricity

Offices in public buildings will only be heated to 19 degrees Celsius. Halls and corridors should not be heated if at all possible

Public buildings (excluding hospitals and other care centres) will only have cold water available for hand washing

Monuments and public buildings will remain dark at night

Energy providers and landlords should inform tenants about ways to save energy and talk to them about energy costs

Illuminated advertising systems cannot be used from 10pm to 4pm the following day. This does not apply to lights used for road safety or other potential hazards, such as advertising lights in passenger waiting rooms.

Shops will have to keep doors closed to avoid heat escaping!

https://www.iamexpat.de/expat-info/...ernment-introduces-new-energy-saving-measures

Similar measures in Italy, France , Spain, Greece, Sweden and other European nations.

This boycotting of Russia has been the biggest economic self harm disaster in history!
 
Nailed it!

Its defo not a price worth paying for the reasons you point out.

Europe is now introducing new energy saving measures.

Ive been to Germany it was a great modern nation.

Now



https://www.iamexpat.de/expat-info/...ernment-introduces-new-energy-saving-measures

Similar measures in Italy, France , Spain, Greece, Sweden and other European nations.

This boycotting of Russia has been the biggest economic self harm disaster in history!

Yup the boycotting and sanctions on Russia have been the biggest blunder since Afghanistan war.

Pro NATO apologists just will not admit it. They might change their mind when they have no money left in the bank, no electricity to charge their gadgets, and when theirs no food on the table - cos the fridge and freezer will not be working.
 
You could just as easily say that Britain should not have fought Hitler because food rationing would have hurt the Boer War veterans.

There are very few WW2 veterans left. Anyone who fought is over 100. But any of them will tell you that despots today must be resisted, just as they were in 1940.
You appear to be caught in a time loop about the lead up to WW2 since your stock answer to anything related to Ukraine, Russia, Nato, Putin, Soviet Union is to bring up 'the war'.

Reminds me of the Faulty Towers episode :
 
German factories shut down as energy costs spiral out of control.

Eurozone inflation hits new record, with Putin continuing to slash gas supplies to the Continent.

Eurozone inflation surged to another record high in August, fuelled by soaring energy prices that are threatening to plunge the region into recession.

Annual inflation across the bloc rose to 9.1pc this month, up from 8.9pc in July, according to the latest figures from Eurostat.

Prices are rising at the fastest rate since records began in 1997, piling pressure on the European Central Bank to continue raising interest rates at its meeting next week.

It comes as Putin continues to slash gas supplies to the continent, driving up energy prices and raising the risk of blackouts and rationing this winter.

Separate figures from Rystad Energy showed August was the most expensive month for power in Europe, driven by a continued surge in gas prices.

A further acceleration in electricity prices over the last week meant the fresh record from July was beaten in Italy, France, Germany and the UK, with Italy being the first market ever to record a monthly average spot price above €500 (£432) per megawatt hour.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/busines...-hits-new-record-energy-costs-spiral-control/

Germany, the economic powerhouse of the failed EU experiment.
 
Energy bill at Tom Kerridge’s pub to leap from £60,000 to £420,000

Celebrity chef warns that hospitality sector faces ‘terrifying and scary landscape’ as owners say they may close over Christmas

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/20...ges-pub-leap-60000-420000/#Echobox=1662059018

NATO apologists should chip in and help out, after all, its a price worth paying.

Liberal liars.

Agree they should also open their homes.

Have you heard of Warm Banks ? :))

What is the UK becoming, this is embarrasing.

Cost of living: what are ‘warm banks’ and where could they open in the UK?
More and more local governments are starting create warm banks to support communities

What is a warm bank?
Similarly to how community food banks hand out supplies to low-income families, so-called warm banks will give those unable to afford the rising cost of heating their homes somewhere to go once the weather turns.

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/cost-of-living-warm-bank-b1022706.html
 
Energy bill at Tom Kerridge’s pub to leap from £60,000 to £420,000

Celebrity chef warns that hospitality sector faces ‘terrifying and scary landscape’ as owners say they may close over Christmas

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/20...ges-pub-leap-60000-420000/#Echobox=1662059018

NATO apologists should chip in and help out, after all, its a price worth paying.

Liberal liars.

Damn!

Putin is like a master chess player. West got into a tangle.

It is hypocritical for USA/NATO to complain about Russian military operation when they themselves invaded and ruined many countries in the past.
 
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Energy bill at Tom Kerridge’s pub to leap from £60,000 to £420,000

Celebrity chef warns that hospitality sector faces ‘terrifying and scary landscape’ as owners say they may close over Christmas

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/20...ges-pub-leap-60000-420000/#Echobox=1662059018

NATO apologists should chip in and help out, after all, its a price worth paying.

Liberal liars.

A small price to pay for Ukraine's freedom. Anyway, if he can afford a £360k rise in energy prices, he must be doing ok.
 
Damn!

Putin is like a master chess player. West got into a tangle.

It is hypocritical for USA/NATO to complain about Russian military operation when they themselves invaded and ruined many countries in the past.

Putin is a grand master Chess player and Biden and his European poodles are rookies.

NATO, EU, Western Economic bullying - all toast.

The West deserves this. Happy to wage war across the globe but when war is in Europe they cry like babies.
 
It is hypocritical for USA/NATO to complain about Russian military operation when they themselves invaded and ruined many countries in the past.

What you are saying here is that because someone did a bad thing, it is wrong of them to do a good thing, because hypocrisy.

In this case Western governments are doing good, by helping the Ukrainian people stand up for their self-determination in the face of a despot.

If you don't like something, don't just moan about it on the internet. Get involved! Join the political party of your choice. Join the school board. Join the village committee. Pick up a ladle at the homeless shelter. Do a shift at the food bank.
 
What you are saying here is that because someone did a bad thing, it is wrong of them to do a good thing, because hypocrisy.

In this case Western governments are doing good, by helping the Ukrainian people stand up for their self-determination in the face of a despot.

If you don't like something, don't just moan about it on the internet. Get involved! Join the political party of your choice. Join the school board. Join the village committee. Pick up a ladle at the homeless shelter. Do a shift at the food bank.

I would do all of those if the govt will pick up my £500/month energy bill for the next year.
 
What you are saying here is that because someone did a bad thing, it is wrong of them to do a good thing, because hypocrisy.

In this case Western governments are doing good, by helping the Ukrainian people stand up for their self-determination in the face of a despot.

If you don't like something, don't just moan about it on the internet. Get involved! Join the political party of your choice. Join the school board. Join the village committee. Pick up a ladle at the homeless shelter. Do a shift at the food bank.

Ukraine has Azov brigade in their military which is pretty much a Nazi group.

I hope Russians are vaporizing these Nazis.
 
Wow. UK really is becoming a 3rd world nation.

Lets all blame Russia and not the irresponsible fiscal and foreign policies post WW2.

The end is nigh.

I wonder if they offer free cups of tea and digestive biscuits. :wg

The protests in Europe have started now. Hopefully the Brits will gain some brain cells and also demand an end to financing a proxy war against a nuclear power.

The protesters demanded the resignation of the current coalition government led by conservative Prime Minister Petr Fiala, criticizing it for a number of issues, including its Western-oriented policies.

They condemned the government for its support of the sanctions against Russia over its war in Ukraine and accused it of not being able to tackle soaring energy prices. The demonstrators also criticized NATO, and the European Union and the 27-nation bloc’s plan to cut greenhouse gas emissions and reach climate neutrality. The country belong to both organizations.

https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-prague-european-union-d47093ce6a14354f22d68383722144a3
 
Meanwhile the most popular daytime show now has a prize to pay energy bills! :))




UK has become a laughing stock.
 
Meanwhile the most popular daytime show now has a prize to pay energy bills! :))




UK has become a laughing stock.

LOL. Damn.

I feel sympathy for the poor in UK but I blame the inept UK politicians. They have been incompetent.

Trying to bully Russia was a suicide. May turn out to be a historic mistake.
 
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LOL. Damn.

I feel sympathy for the poor in UK but I blame the inept UK politicians. They have been incompetent.

Trying to bully Russia was a suicide. May turn out to be a historic mistake.

At this rate next years gameshows prizes will include electric blankets, thermal socks and teddy bears to cuddle!

Imo the powers realise the UK public can be easily manipulated and easily scared after the pandemic lockdowns.

We know have a woman as PM whose instance on Russian sanctions along with the EU has caused this. This woman was in Moscow in Feb, where she confused two towns in Russia with towns in Ukraine. Russians laughed her off back on the plane.
 
At this rate next years gameshows prizes will include electric blankets, thermal socks and teddy bears to cuddle!

Imo the powers realise the UK public can be easily manipulated and easily scared after the pandemic lockdowns.

We know have a woman as PM whose instance on Russian sanctions along with the EU has caused this. This woman was in Moscow in Feb, where she confused two towns in Russia with towns in Ukraine. Russians laughed her off back on the plane.

If she continues to focus on sanctioning Russia, that's just stupidity. Russia is not some small country that west can bully easily. They are finding out now the hard way.
 
Canada hasn't been hit hurt yet thankfully.

Prices of products have increased a bit but no energy shortage stuff.
 
Meanwhile the most popular daytime show now has a prize to pay energy bills! :))




UK has become a laughing stock.

:))) :))) :)))

That's one of the most hilarious things I have seen in a while! Do you know if Liberals/NATO apologists are funding this energy prize?
 
I don’t think the majority of Brits are massively bothered about the Ukraine war at this point or Zelensky etc. Living day to day at home is becoming challenge enough.
 
Ukraine has Azov brigade in their military which is pretty much a Nazi group.

I hope Russians are vaporizing these Nazis.

I am sure the Russian army is 1% bad men too.

Though consider that had Putin not invaded Crimea, this nationalist group would not have formed. Violence begats violence.
 
The protests in Europe have started now. Hopefully the Brits will gain some brain cells and also demand an end to financing a proxy war against a nuclear power.

I think you don’t understand the British national psyche. For the white people of these islands, Britain is all about bearing up against massive odds and winning. Think Agincourt, Armada, Thin Red Line, Charge of the Light Brigade, Battle of Britain (the latter case was an Empire effort supported by the Poles, but most don’t know that).
 
I think you don’t understand the British national psyche. For the white people of these islands, Britain is all about bearing up against massive odds and winning. Think Agincourt, Armada, Thin Red Line, Charge of the Light Brigade, Battle of Britain (the latter case was an Empire effort supported by the Poles, but most don’t know that).

That would be true if Britain was actually at war with Russia, but we aren't. This is a proxy war at best, there are no British soldiers fighting in Ukraine, neither are there Russian planes bombing London. The comparison is a pretty big stretch.
 
That would be true if Britain was actually at war with Russia, but we aren't. This is a proxy war at best, there are no British soldiers fighting in Ukraine, neither are there Russian planes bombing London. The comparison is a pretty big stretch.

Exactly. This is a fight between Ukraine and Russia. Russia didn't attack UK.

It has nothing to do with altruism as Robert is suggesting. It has to do with assets. Ukraine was like a pet for NATO/UK/USA and they are feeling threatened due to Russia's operation.

West didn't interfere in Armenia-Azerbaijan war, for example.
 
I think you don’t understand the British national psyche. For the white people of these islands, Britain is all about bearing up against massive odds and winning. Think Agincourt, Armada, Thin Red Line, Charge of the Light Brigade, Battle of Britain (the latter case was an Empire effort supported by the Poles, but most don’t know that).

Sounds like a the memoirs of Winston Churchills and Tommy Robinson love child.

White people are no more British than brown or black people, this isn't the 1800's Robert, you really need to get with modern society.

The year is 2022, most Brits couldnt point Ukraine on the map 6 months ago. There has been a immoral , false fear mongering narrative set on the British people and sadly many are too brainwashed to fall for it. However millions are waking up to realise this is a proxy war which has no benefit to the British public but only to the elite.

Ask a Brit, would you rather go cold, have less money to support a proxy war in Ukraine, imo most will say no.

Get out more pls Robert. :wg
 
Sounds like a the memoirs of Winston Churchills and Tommy Robinson love child.

White people are no more British than brown or black people, this isn't the 1800's Robert, you really need to get with modern society.

The year is 2022, most Brits couldnt point Ukraine on the map 6 months ago. There has been a immoral , false fear mongering narrative set on the British people and sadly many are too brainwashed to fall for it. However millions are waking up to realise this is a proxy war which has no benefit to the British public but only to the elite.

Ask a Brit, would you rather go cold, have less money to support a proxy war in Ukraine, imo most will say no.

Get out more pls Robert. :wg

I think you have hit the nail on the head. Most people in Britain supporting this war seem to believe they are still living in the 30s/40s with a blitz around the corner.
 
I think you have hit the nail on the head. Most people in Britain supporting this war seem to believe they are still living in the 30s/40s with a blitz around the corner.

Too many James Bond movies too.

Not referring to anyone but A lot of the elderly are stuck in a time warp. Remember many have no debts, no mortgage, money in the bank, decent pensions. So they sit in nostalgia dreaming of spitfires bombing some village in Germany believing their little island is unbeatable. The sanctions wont be a problem for them, the long term economic damage or a war in the future wont be an issue either as they may be gone by then.

The future of youth and children of Britain is most important, their views should count double over the views of the foggies.
 
<b>UK at significant risk of gas shortages this winter, warns energy regulator</b>

The UK is facing "a significant risk" of gas shortages this winter, according to the industry regulator, which could impact electricity supplies.

Ofgem said due to Russia's war with Ukraine, there is a possibility the UK could enter a "gas supply emergency".

This would lead to supplies being cut to power stations which use gas to generate the country's electricity.

Gas-fired power stations generate between 40% and 60% of the UK's electricity.

Firms are at risk of running out of money because of huge charges they pay if they cannot deliver electricity.

Ofgem said: "Due to the war in Ukraine and gas shortages in Europe, there is a significant risk that gas shortages could occur during the winter 2022-23 in Great Britain. As a result, there is a possibility that Great Britain could enter into a gas supply emergency."

If this happens, supplies would be cut to "the largest gas users" which are likely to be "large gas-fired power stations which produce electricity to the National Electricity Transmission System".

It is not clear if this could result in electricity blackouts or mean homes and businesses will face energy rationing this winter.

During the Conservative Party leadership campaign, Prime Minister Liz Truss ruled out rationing.

Asked about the risk of blackouts this winter, Ofgem told the BBC: "This winter is likely to be more challenging than previous ones due to the Russian disruption of gas supplies to Europe."

But it said: "Britain is in a good position with little direct import of gas from Russia
"Nevertheless, we need to be prepared for all scenarios this winter. As a result, Ofgem is putting in place sensible contingency measures with National Grid as well as the government to ensure that the UK energy system is fully prepared for this winter."

fgem wrote a letter in response to SSE, which operates four gas-fired power stations in the UK that produce electricity.

SSE is concerned that operators of gas-fired power stations face millions of pounds worth of costs if they are unable to fulfil promises to supply electricity "caused by events outside their control".

A power station will burn gas to create heat which powers a turbine. This creates electricity which is transmitted up and down the UK's National Electricity Transmission System via pylons or underground cables.

In the event electricity supplies are disrupted because of constrained gas supplies, generators would have to pay what are known as "imbalance charges".

These cover the cost of National Grid having to find electricity from elsewhere to meet demand.

Ofgem said this "could result in potential insolvency of gas-fired generators if a gas supply emergency occurs".

SSE said that an averaged-sized power station could face charges of around £276m a day if it is unable to generate electricity.

In its letter, which was first reported in The Times, Ofgem said it would look at the issue of charges as a matter of urgency because it will have a "significant impact on the safety and security of the electricity system".

SSE said that by raising the issue with Ofgem it "would protect security of supply by ensuring gas-fired power stations are able to provide vital flexible generation through challenging periods".

A spokesperson said: "There is broad industry agreement on the need to examine this issue, with the decision ultimately one for Ofgem."

RWE, which also generates electricity in the UK through gas-fired power, said it shares and raised the same concerns.

"Due to circumstances beyond our control, the station would be heavily penalised for not meeting its generation obligations."

David Cox, an independent energy analyst, said that the UK was heading into a "very dangerous situation" this winter.

"The problem is we get about 40% of our electricity from gas-powered plants in the UK," he said.

Mr Cox noted that the UK will face challenges importing gas from storage sites in Europe this winter, with European countries facing their own supply crunch due to Russia's war in Ukraine.

A spokesperson for the Department for Business, Energy and Industrial Strategy said the UK "has a secure and diverse energy system and the government is confident that the steps it is taking will protect security of electricity and gas supplies".

"To strengthen this position further we are working closely with regulators and our international partners to ensure UK households and businesses' energy needs are met this winter."

Since its initial invasion of Ukraine, the Kremlin has reduced energy supplies to Europe while many countries have pledged to shift their reliance for oil and gas away from Russia.

While the UK does not rely on Russia for oil and gas, any disruption causes a widespread impact on international supplies.

Most recently, leaks were discovered at Russia's two main gas pipelines to Germany, Nord Stream 1 and Nord Stream 2.

Though neither were operational, the EU, US and Nato suggested the damage was intentional.

Russia has denied any involvement.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-63118574
 
Sounds like a the memoirs of Winston Churchills and Tommy Robinson love child.

White people are no more British than brown or black people, this isn't the 1800's Robert, you really need to get with modern society.

The year is 2022, most Brits couldnt point Ukraine on the map 6 months ago. There has been a immoral , false fear mongering narrative set on the British people and sadly many are too brainwashed to fall for it. However millions are waking up to realise this is a proxy war which has no benefit to the British public but only to the elite.

Ask a Brit, would you rather go cold, have less money to support a proxy war in Ukraine, imo most will say no.

Get out more pls Robert. :wg

Churchill still has iconic power in the psyche of the white Britons. You may not like this, but to a great many he is British toughness and obduracy personified.

Robinson had his fifteen minutes and is irrelevant again.

Almost nobody can remember WW2 but for a generation of boomers and early Gen X it is still the most significant event in recent history - it loomed very large when I was a boy. What you call false narrative and brainwashing, I call culture.

I predict that what you will see is community initiatives on a wide scale to help people who are getting cold and hungry. Churches, mosques and synagogues will become community hubs.
 
<b>Central heating will be restricted in Italy this winter, as it becomes the latest country to take action on European gas supply shortages sparked by Russia's invasion of Ukraine.</b>

Under a new government decree, buildings will face an extra fifteen days without central heating.

Italians will also be told to turn their heating down by one degree, and off for an extra hour a day.

Some buildings will be exempt, including nurseries and hospitals.

The move comes as governments across Europe look to reduce demand and shore up energy supplies ahead of winter.

Many were dependent on gas from Russia, which has been restricted following the war in Ukraine.

Before February's invasion, Italy was the second-largest importer of Russian gas in the EU, with imports making up 40% of its total supply.

This is now down to just 10%, as Rome has turned to other sources of energy and liquified natural gas.

The country normally restricts the use of central heating in warmer months, with its use determined by regional governments.

With bills already soaring, reactions from Italians have been mixed.

"For old people who will stay at home a lot of time, probably it will be a problem for them," one told the BBC.

"It's probably needed, but it's hard. Now that this crisis is affecting us personally, it could lead more people to change their view on still backing sanctions on Russia," said another.

Many European governments have announced similar energy-saving plans.

In France, homes and offices will be heated to a maximum of 19C, there will be no hot water in public buildings, and the temperature in swimming pools and gyms will also be reduced.

A ban on doors being left open in heated or air-conditioned shops, which was previously in effect in some areas, has been extended nationwide.

Spain has also previously mandated that heating not rise above 19C, as well as ordering that doors should be closed so as not to waste heat and that lights in shop windows must be turned off after 22:00.

And Germany has stopped lighting up public monuments and buildings for aesthetic reasons, and warned heating may be turned off in the entrances, corridors and foyers of public buildings.

At an EU summit in Prague on Friday, leaders are discussing capping wholesale gas prices to protect consumers.

Many individual states have already introduced national caps on the price consumers pay for units of energy.

Other measures have already been agreed across the bloc, including windfall taxes on surplus profits made by fossil fuel companies, and a levy on excess profits made by non-gas electricity producers.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-63173533
 
Churchill still has iconic power in the psyche of the white Britons. You may not like this, but to a great many he is British toughness and obduracy personified.

Robinson had his fifteen minutes and is irrelevant again.

Almost nobody can remember WW2 but for a generation of boomers and early Gen X it is still the most significant event in recent history - it loomed very large when I was a boy. What you call false narrative and brainwashing, I call culture.

I predict that what you will see is community initiatives on a wide scale to help people who are getting cold and hungry. Churches, mosques and synagogues will become community hubs.

Presuming it ever gets that bad, why would we be doing this again?
 
Churchill still has iconic power in the psyche of the white Britons. You may not like this, but to a great many he is British toughness and obduracy personified.

Robinson had his fifteen minutes and is irrelevant again.

Almost nobody can remember WW2 but for a generation of boomers and early Gen X it is still the most significant event in recent history - it loomed very large when I was a boy. What you call false narrative and brainwashing, I call culture.

I predict that what you will see is community initiatives on a wide scale to help people who are getting cold and hungry. Churches, mosques and synagogues will become community hubs.

This is a valid point. I would say white Americans also have a similar thought process regarding Patton, MacArthur and even the later political leaders like Kissinger, Reagan.
 
<b>Central heating will be restricted in Italy this winter, as it becomes the latest country to take action on European gas supply shortages sparked by Russia's invasion of Ukraine.</b>

Under a new government decree, buildings will face an extra fifteen days without central heating.

Italians will also be told to turn their heating down by one degree, and off for an extra hour a day.

Some buildings will be exempt, including nurseries and hospitals.

The move comes as governments across Europe look to reduce demand and shore up energy supplies ahead of winter.

Many were dependent on gas from Russia, which has been restricted following the war in Ukraine.

Before February's invasion, Italy was the second-largest importer of Russian gas in the EU, with imports making up 40% of its total supply.

This is now down to just 10%, as Rome has turned to other sources of energy and liquified natural gas.

The country normally restricts the use of central heating in warmer months, with its use determined by regional governments.

With bills already soaring, reactions from Italians have been mixed.

"For old people who will stay at home a lot of time, probably it will be a problem for them," one told the BBC.

"It's probably needed, but it's hard. Now that this crisis is affecting us personally, it could lead more people to change their view on still backing sanctions on Russia," said another.

Many European governments have announced similar energy-saving plans.

In France, homes and offices will be heated to a maximum of 19C, there will be no hot water in public buildings, and the temperature in swimming pools and gyms will also be reduced.

A ban on doors being left open in heated or air-conditioned shops, which was previously in effect in some areas, has been extended nationwide.

Spain has also previously mandated that heating not rise above 19C, as well as ordering that doors should be closed so as not to waste heat and that lights in shop windows must be turned off after 22:00.

And Germany has stopped lighting up public monuments and buildings for aesthetic reasons, and warned heating may be turned off in the entrances, corridors and foyers of public buildings.

At an EU summit in Prague on Friday, leaders are discussing capping wholesale gas prices to protect consumers.

Many individual states have already introduced national caps on the price consumers pay for units of energy.

Other measures have already been agreed across the bloc, including windfall taxes on surplus profits made by fossil fuel companies, and a levy on excess profits made by non-gas electricity producers.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-63173533

It's ok though, its mid 30s in Rome.
 
<b>Central heating will be restricted in Italy this winter, as it becomes the latest country to take action on European gas supply shortages sparked by Russia's invasion of Ukraine.</b>

Under a new government decree, buildings will face an extra fifteen days without central heating.

Italians will also be told to turn their heating down by one degree, and off for an extra hour a day.

Some buildings will be exempt, including nurseries and hospitals.

The move comes as governments across Europe look to reduce demand and shore up energy supplies ahead of winter.

Many were dependent on gas from Russia, which has been restricted following the war in Ukraine.

Before February's invasion, Italy was the second-largest importer of Russian gas in the EU, with imports making up 40% of its total supply.

This is now down to just 10%, as Rome has turned to other sources of energy and liquified natural gas.

The country normally restricts the use of central heating in warmer months, with its use determined by regional governments.

With bills already soaring, reactions from Italians have been mixed.

"For old people who will stay at home a lot of time, probably it will be a problem for them," one told the BBC.

"It's probably needed, but it's hard. Now that this crisis is affecting us personally, it could lead more people to change their view on still backing sanctions on Russia," said another.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-63173533

The North of Italy will be exempt, I am hearing.

Keeping warm in winter doesn’t seem to be their issue. In high summer they had to limit the aircon to 25C.
 
This is a valid point. I would say white Americans also have a similar thought process regarding Patton, MacArthur and even the later political leaders like Kissinger, Reagan.

It's worth remembering though, that while Churchill is romanticised by whites across the world in the digital age, in his own country he lost the next election following the war. We are used to luxury in the west, all this talk of fighting them on the beaches sounds great on film, but in reality we are up in arms if we are without WiFi for more than 2 hrs.

In the real world, the Tories are now set to lose the next election by a landslide, so all this grand talk of heroic attitudes is meaningless.
 
It's worth remembering though, that while Churchill is romanticised by whites across the world in the digital age, in his own country he lost the next election following the war.

In the real world, the Tories are now set to lose the next election by a landslide, so all this grand talk of heroic attitudes is meaningless.

True, because the people (particularly returning soldiers) wanted the Welfare State.

But they got sick of food rationing, and Churchill was back in 1951.

Bring on the landslide!
 
Public support for sanctions on Russia remains overwhelming, but could erode if the cost-of-living crisis worsens, an exclusive poll for Sky News has found.

The poll by Ipsos suggests that 70% of the public support implementing sanctions on Russia for its invasion of Ukraine.

However, just 41% of people now say they would still back sanctions if it means a further rise in energy bills.

That's a significant decrease since March, when three out of four people (73%) were willing to stomach an increase in energy prices.

Since then, energy costs have more than doubled, adding over £1,200 to the annual bills of a typical household.

A third of people (32%) now say they would oppose sanctions if they were to lead to a further increase in energy prices, up from just 8% of respondents in March.

The poll comes ahead of a special programme on Sky News in conjunction with the Imperial War Museum Institute looking at the war in Ukraine on Tuesday evening at 7.30pm.

The link between Russian sanctions and rising prices here is not as obvious as it may seem.

A House of Commons briefing from earlier this month found in 2021 Russian imports made up 4% of the gas used in the UK, 9% of oil and 27% of coal.

Across the EU, the equivalent figures were 39% for gas, 23% for oil and 46% for coal.

But the disruption to supply caused by the war in Ukraine, combined with an increase in demand as countries look for alternative energy sources, has still pushed up prices substantially on international markets.

This has caused the spikes in what we're all paying to heat and power our homes.

It has also led to the government trying to convince countries like Saudi Arabia to step up energy production in a bid to calm the markets.

All that said, this polling shows that a strong response to Russia over Ukraine is still a vote winner with the public.

In fact, you can make a convincing argument that the initial muscular approach adopted by Boris Johnson was the main reason he was able to cling onto power in Downing Street for quite so long.

Ipsos interviewed a representative sample of 1,069 adults aged 16-75 in Great Britain between 19 and 20 October for Sky News.

The poll suggests that public support for Britain's role in assisting Ukraine remains high, with 59% of people in favour of sending arms and money to the country and 58% saying that the UK should accept more Ukrainian refugees.

However, increases in energy bills since March have left public support for sanctions more fragile than before.

According to the poll, 41% of the public are "very concerned" about the war’s impact on the UK economy, with the same proportion saying that it is contributing "a great deal" to rising prices.

The only factor which respondents were more likely to identify as contributing significantly to inflation was the Conservative government’s economic policies (48% of people). Respondents also identified excessive corporate profits, global economic headwinds and UK interest rates as key causes of the cost-of-living crisis.

One in four (25%) said they were "very concerned" about being unable to pay their bills over the next six months, with a further 45% "fairly concerned".

Were sanctions to lead to an increase in energy bills, they would no longer enjoy support across all parts of society, as they have done so far.

Half of people in relatively secure financial positions (48%) would continue to back sanctions, with only 27% opposed.

Among those struggling most with the cost of living, however, the number of people against sanctions would be larger than the number of people in favour.

For now, however, Britain's sympathies lie overwhelmingly with Ukraine. Just 63% of respondents said they were very concerned about the impact of the war on themselves personally, compared to 82% who said they were worried for Ukrainian civilians.

Three in four people (74%) are also concerned about the possible implications of the war for Britain's national security.

Although additional price increases would dent support for sanctions, most people (52%) would still back the measures if they led to prices remaining at their current, high level for longer.

Even among those who said they were finding it "difficult" to get by at the moment, 45% said they would be willing to endure continued high prices for the sake of supporting Ukraine, with 30% disagreeing.


Keiran Pedley, Research Director at Ipsos, told Sky News: "These findings show sustained support for Ukraine from the British public over time, as a clear majority continue to support Britain’s role supporting Ukraine amidst widespread sympathy for Ukraine's people.

"Although there is concern about the impact of the war on Britain's economy, most continue to support sanctions, and think they are necessary even with higher energy and food prices.

"However, there is some evidence that support for sanctions in the face of rising energy and food prices may not be limitless if they continue to rise even further over time."

Methodology

Ipsos interviewed a representative sample of 1,069 adults aged 16-75 in Great Britain. Interviews took place online between 19 and 20 October 2022. Data has been weighted to the known offline population proportions. All polls are subject to a wide range of potential sources of error.

https://news.sky.com/story/ukraine-...support-for-sanctions-against-russia-12732733
 
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