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Will Fakhar Zaman get found out?

Zaman is not good against turning ball. A walking wicket in Test cricket in subcontinent conditions. Even in ODI's, Asian tracks offer some spin which will trouble Zaman.

This being said, Zaman should play 2019 WC. The ODI tracks in England do not offer even a millimeter of spin. He can be brutal against spinners when there is no turn.
 
sharjeel khan is bradman compared to fakhar.he is a classic example of hack who had so much luck in every innings of champions trophy.

even in final he was scoring at 50 strike rate untill he played 50 balls after which he got going against indian spinners.

In every Pakistan India World cup matches the Indian batsmen have had countless luck.
Sachin had lives 4 lives in 2011 semi and 1 life in 2003.

Kholi had 1 dropped catch In 2015 wc match and 1 each in the recent champions trophy.
 
He will score a century in one of the next 2 games.

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Two things he needs to work on;
Legside game and against spinners. Otherwise a very good batsman.
 
His fluke century in the CT final, where he should've been out, has inflated his skills in the eyes of fans, but he is still a very good player for our standards, filled the hole sharjee left behind as he is an attacking batsman and that is valuable in these flat roads.

Why should he have been out? It was a no ball. Should Kholi have walked when he edged Amir to Azhar Ali?
 
Why should he have been out? It was a no ball. Should Kholi have walked when he edged Amir to Azhar Ali?
It means he was out, no ball was an external factor and luck.

I never rate innings where players get dropped through dollies or where they should have been out but massive luck saved them.

All it shows is a lucky batsman.

Anyways, it's early days for Fakhar, hopefully he keeps working on his game so other teams can't take advantage of his weaknesses.
 
sharjeel khan is bradman compared to fakhar.he is a classic example of hack who had so much luck in every innings of champions trophy.

even in final he was scoring at 50 strike rate untill he played 50 balls after which he got going against indian spinners.
Itching to get that off your chest weren't you? Fakhar will still smack your mediocre bowling around for fun.
 
Of course it hurts. Does it hurt still about Ireland knocking Pakistan out of the 2007 WC? Upsets and shock losses will always stick in the craw, especially against rivals.

Pakistan beat India in 2017 CT and proved themselves as the better ODI team

:salute
 
His loose technique is starting to get exposed. Lets see if he can turn it around
 
The hack strikes again. And by "strikes" I mean misses several attempted hoiks before sleep-walking down the wicket to miss yet another.
 
Fakhar will always be a hero , he was sent on earth to help us win a CT final against india.

He might not be in the team next year but he will always be in our hearts.
 
Fakhar really needs to start making most of the starts he gets. Couple of more bad scores, his place in the team could be in jeopordy.
 
One word to describe Fakhar - impatient.

He needs to realise occupying the crease is important too. Once he starts doing that his SR will stabilise in it's natural peak and he won't have to worry about playing catchup.
 
One word to describe Fakhar - impatient.

He needs to realise occupying the crease is important too. Once he starts doing that his SR will stabilise in it's natural peak and he won't have to worry about playing catchup.

The management should Talk to him. Say look mate you Will not be dropped but need to understand basic cricket and match situation and learn to score hard Runs
 
Going though the 2nd season syndrome. Arthur has adjusted so many things in his batting that it'll take a bit time; besides every team has decent idea of his range by now. If he returns back after settling with adjustments, he'll play for a decade, otherwise he'll have to have a luck like MoHa, Malik, Afridi ... for a longer career - that's selective performance & keeping numbers up based on whom you are playing against, where and when.
 
It means he was out, no ball was an external factor and luck.

I never rate innings where players get dropped through dollies or where they should have been out but massive luck saved them.

All it shows is a lucky batsman.

Anyways, it's early days for Fakhar, hopefully he keeps working on his game so other teams can't take advantage of his weaknesses.

Luck is a part of winning, like Gibbs dropping Waugh.

Fakhar played a chance less innings after that no ball. Totally in control against Ashwin and Jadeja who had been strangling Pakistani batsmen in Wc's.
 
One word to describe Fakhar - impatient.

He needs to realise occupying the crease is important too. Once he starts doing that his SR will stabilise in it's natural peak and he won't have to worry about playing catchup.

Isn't it the nature of the role we're asking him to perform - we want him to be this madcap, daredevil hitter at the top of the order getting us off to a flyer and taking the opposition attack on in the first powerplay overs like we saw in the CT. But these type of batsmen aren't going to be consistent.

Look at Sanath Jayasuriya who averaged 32 in ODIs, McCullum averages 30. I'm not putting Fakhar Zaman in that class but these batsmen will frustrate - they will get out to rash shots and whilst having memorable peaks (June 18th) will also have some troughs.

We have a ton of "patient" grafting batsmen already, and are lacking in batsmen capable of smacking a 30 ball fifty especially with bans to Sharjeel, Latif and Shahzaib. Sahibzada Farhan is still raw. Fahim is a powerhitter but when do we need four pacers in Asia ?

Where Fakhar is fortunate is unlike the past where so many young Pakistani batsmen have shown initial promise but as soon as bowlers worked them out went downhill quickly, we have a relatively more professional setup. The captain backs him and Mickey Arthur is someone who, despite having a torrid time at Australia, oversaw David Warner's rise and has a record of player development.

Opposition pacers are working him over, they're bringing the ball into him and cramping him for room to free his arms, frustrating him into rash shots against the spinners. Fakhar needs to show he can adapt and deal with attacks who are doing their homework against him. This is a test for him and the team management.
 
Isn't it the nature of the role we're asking him to perform - we want him to be this madcap, daredevil hitter at the top of the order getting us off to a flyer and taking the opposition attack on in the first powerplay overs like we saw in the CT. But these type of batsmen aren't going to be consistent.

Look at Sanath Jayasuriya who averaged 32 in ODIs, McCullum averages 30. I'm not putting Fakhar Zaman in that class but these batsmen will frustrate - they will get out to rash shots and whilst having memorable peaks (June 18th) will also have some troughs.

We have a ton of "patient" grafting batsmen already, and are lacking in batsmen capable of smacking a 30 ball fifty especially with bans to Sharjeel, Latif and Shahzaib. Sahibzada Farhan is still raw. Fahim is a powerhitter but when do we need four pacers in Asia ?

Where Fakhar is fortunate is unlike the past where so many young Pakistani batsmen have shown initial promise but as soon as bowlers worked them out went downhill quickly, we have a relatively more professional setup. The captain backs him and Mickey Arthur is someone who, despite having a torrid time at Australia, oversaw David Warner's rise and has a record of player development.

Opposition pacers are working him over, they're bringing the ball into him and cramping him for room to free his arms, frustrating him into rash shots against the spinners. Fakhar needs to show he can adapt and deal with attacks who are doing their homework against him. This is a test for him and the team management.

Madcap, but up to a point. He's gotten himself out twice and both times were identical dismissals. He didn't need to play them either. He wants to score quickly, obviously but there comes a point when you're getting the big scores that you realise I'll knuckle down a bit and then move on from there.
 
When he isn’t firing immediately, he should do what he did in the CT final.

He wasn’t able to get the pacers away initially but he stuck around and eventually piled up a big score.

He’s gotten impatient twice, and gotten out to Dananjaya in the same way. Maybe it’s because of the change in partner. Now that Azhar isn’t opening with him he might feel like he is the senior in the partnership.
 
Going though the 2nd season syndrome. Arthur has adjusted so many things in his batting that it'll take a bit time; besides every team has decent idea of his range by now. If he returns back after settling with adjustments, he'll play for a decade, otherwise he'll have to have a luck like MoHa, Malik, Afridi ... for a longer career - that's selective performance & keeping numbers up based on whom you are playing against, where and when.

i think more than that these pitches doesnt suit his style of play.he like the ball on the bat but these slow and low UAE pitches will not allow him and he does get frustrated so he tries to over hit spinner.is not it???
 
When he isn’t firing immediately, he should do what he did in the CT final.

He wasn’t able to get the pacers away initially but he stuck around and eventually piled up a big score.

He’s gotten impatient twice, and gotten out to Dananjaya in the same way. Maybe it’s because of the change in partner. Now that Azhar isn’t opening with him he might feel like he is the senior in the partnership.

He did wait till the spinners came on to bowl in the last 2 games.

Problem is not impatience. Problem is the inability to tackle turning ball. Not a good player of spinner when turn is on offer.

He will have hard time to get spinners away in Asian conditions. Especially the ones that have a googly. He will be useful in England and Aus where the ball does not turn at all.
 
i think more than that these pitches doesnt suit his style of play.he like the ball on the bat but these slow and low UAE pitches will not allow him and he does get frustrated so he tries to over hit spinner.is not it???

That's part of learning as well - in later part of his career, teams used to take pace out and Nazir was out almost every time pulling - top edged to mid wicket or deep mid on. He has to learn how adapt - at present Offies like Mosaddek, Rohit, Dhanajaya or Mahmudullah will bowl to him full quota, from round the wicket, cramping his bottom hand shots.
 
That's part of learning as well - in later part of his career, teams used to take pace out and Nazir was out almost every time pulling - top edged to mid wicket or deep mid on. He has to learn how adapt - at present Offies like Mosaddek, Rohit, Dhanajaya or Mahmudullah will bowl to him full quota, from round the wicket, cramping his bottom hand shots.

now off the topic but do u think pak has best attack in the world excluding the chucker.i think we have variety but bench strength is not good like other top teams?/
 
He did wait till the spinners came on to bowl in the last 2 games.

Problem is not impatience. Problem is the inability to tackle turning ball. Not a good player of spinner when turn is on offer.

He will have hard time to get spinners away in Asian conditions. Especially the ones that have a googly. He will be useful in England and Aus where the ball does not turn at all.

i think the same ,yes he gets frustrated and tries to over hit,eng aus are the perfect places for him to bat..
 
now off the topic but do u think pak has best attack in the world excluding the chucker.i think we have variety but bench strength is not good like other top teams?/

One of the best, for most condition top; but behind AUS in AUS.
 
why??/we need tall fast bowler and seam all rounder there??

Disciplined as well - need to reduce boundary ball on such concrete slabs. But more importantly, a major weapon of PAK''s armory is spin attack, which is ineffective in AUS.
 
He is a dasher. You cannot expect him to average 50. Let him play without the fear of failure. People wonder what happens to players who start off with a bang, but they do not look at how the media scrutinizes the particular player and destroys him mentally.
 
Isn't it the nature of the role we're asking him to perform - we want him to be this madcap, daredevil hitter at the top of the order getting us off to a flyer and taking the opposition attack on in the first powerplay overs like we saw in the CT. But these type of batsmen aren't going to be consistent.

Look at Sanath Jayasuriya who averaged 32 in ODIs, McCullum averages 30. I'm not putting Fakhar Zaman in that class but these batsmen will frustrate - they will get out to rash shots and whilst having memorable peaks (June 18th) will also have some troughs.

We have a ton of "patient" grafting batsmen already, and are lacking in batsmen capable of smacking a 30 ball fifty especially with bans to Sharjeel, Latif and Shahzaib. Sahibzada Farhan is still raw. Fahim is a powerhitter but when do we need four pacers in Asia ?

Where Fakhar is fortunate is unlike the past where so many young Pakistani batsmen have shown initial promise but as soon as bowlers worked them out went downhill quickly, we have a relatively more professional setup. The captain backs him and Mickey Arthur is someone who, despite having a torrid time at Australia, oversaw David Warner's rise and has a record of player development.

Opposition pacers are working him over, they're bringing the ball into him and cramping him for room to free his arms, frustrating him into rash shots against the spinners. Fakhar needs to show he can adapt and deal with attacks who are doing their homework against him. This is a test for him and the team management.

Fakhar by his own admission prefers rotating the strike early on in his innings and then going big once set. He only batted like a mapcap in the CT because (i) that was what the team required and (ii) the pitches allowed it.

I agree about him being cramped up by bowling attacks, and that is definitely something he has to work on. Not only that, he also has to adapt his game for these slower pitches. He prefers the ball coming onto the bat but he will be playing a lot of cricket in the UAE/Asia so has to make adjustments to his game.

Agree re your comments about team management. If it was left up to some of these PP experts he would already be out of the side! :facepalm:
 
He did wait till the spinners came on to bowl in the last 2 games.

Problem is not impatience. Problem is the inability to tackle turning ball. Not a good player of spinner when turn is on offer.

He will have hard time to get spinners away in Asian conditions. Especially the ones that have a googly. He will be useful in England and Aus where the ball does not turn at all.

If you watched domestic cricket you would know he feasts on spinners.

The problem is that he is slightly out of form and is struggling on these slower wickets. Maybe the weight of expectation is also holding him down. Needs to clear his head.
 
Fakhar needs to adjust to slow pitches’

Fakhar Zaman, centurion in the 2017 Champions Trophy final, hasn’t been able to replicate the same flair in the ongoing ODI series, and Arthur believes he needs to learn to adjust to the pace in the pitch.

“It worries me that a good player like Fakhar is not able to score runs,” he said. “What Fakhar needs to learn is that he played on fast pitches in England, but in UAE the pitches are slow and don’t allow him to play much strokes.”

Arthur suggested Fakhar to rotate strike more to develop his game further. “He needs to learn to rotate strike a bit more, and needs to learn to take singles to get to the other end. That is going to be the key in the development of Fakhar if he wants to become a good batsman. He still is a key player for the team and after he plays the last ODI, he will be taking his form to the T20 series.”

https://tribune.com.pk/story/1538500/7-arthur-praises-sarfrazs-response-bookie/
 
Fakhar needs to adjust to slow pitches’

Fakhar Zaman, centurion in the 2017 Champions Trophy final, hasn’t been able to replicate the same flair in the ongoing ODI series, and Arthur believes he needs to learn to adjust to the pace in the pitch.

“It worries me that a good player like Fakhar is not able to score runs,” he said. “What Fakhar needs to learn is that he played on fast pitches in England, but in UAE the pitches are slow and don’t allow him to play much strokes.”

Arthur suggested Fakhar to rotate strike more to develop his game further. “He needs to learn to rotate strike a bit more, and needs to learn to take singles to get to the other end. That is going to be the key in the development of Fakhar if he wants to become a good batsman. He still is a key player for the team and after he plays the last ODI, he will be taking his form to the T20 series.”

https://tribune.com.pk/story/1538500/7-arthur-praises-sarfrazs-response-bookie/

Great to see that Mickey has confidence in Fakhar. Some people on pp need to relax
 
Yes fakhar needs to rotate strike more and adjust to longer inns rather then trying to blast spinners out of park when they 1st come on, but batting with dot ball eaters doesnt help and not surprised his batting lacks rythm at times as once he loses strike his partner seems take forever giving it back.
 
I didn't watch much of the ODI series so didn't see Fakhar bat very much but in the T20I today it's clear there are some basic issues with his batting:

Head position all over the place
Too much bottom hand
Trying to smash every ball
 
I didn't watch much of the ODI series so didn't see Fakhar bat very much but in the T20I today it's clear there are some basic issues with his batting:

Head position all over the place
Too much bottom hand
Trying to smash every ball


Saj bhai. Leave him alone. Do you want another Shehzad to open?
 
I don't think t20 is his best format. Fakhar is not nearly as fluent as his first few innings suggested and he can be shut down and frustrated. I think he has more potential in ODIs where he has more allowance to bat at a lower SR if he can't find the boundaries.
 
Saj bhai. Leave him alone. Do you want another Shehzad to open?

It's not as though there are only two options for opening in the country.

He obviously has a role to play with regards to giving the innings momentum but while doing that, when he doesn't get deliveries in his zone then he starts trying to smash every ball to midwicket which hasn't really worked.
 
I didn't watch much of the ODI series so didn't see Fakhar bat very much but in the T20I today it's clear there are some basic issues with his batting:

Head position all over the place
Too much bottom hand
Trying to smash every ball

It is one match; he did okay in the one day series. These ain't great pitches to bat on for a stroke maker.
 
Saj bhai. Leave him alone. Do you want another Shehzad to open?

I want him to improve and do well, but if there are flaws then they need addressing or he will become another Imran Nazir.
 
It's not as though there are only two options for opening in the country.

He obviously has a role to play with regards to giving the innings momentum but while doing that, when he doesn't get deliveries in his zone then he starts trying to smash every ball to midwicket which hasn't really worked.

I agree. Like Mickey said, he hasn’t adjusted to these slow pitches, which is why he’s been trying to hack his way out of trouble which hasn’t worked. I expect him to step up in NZ.
 
I think Fakhar should be given a long run.

After CT heroics he must have been floating over they clouds from all the reception and media attention. Give the guy a bit more time to settle back and refresh his mind.

He would probably never be able to outperform his CT final innings still he needs to keep a calm head and not over do it.
 
I think Fakhar should be given a long run.

After CT heroics he must have been floating over they clouds from all the reception and media attention. Give the guy a bit more time to settle back and refresh his mind.

He would probably never be able to outperform his CT final innings still he needs to keep a calm head and not over do it.

His role is to bash from the get go. Very difficult to maintain consistency when you are trying to hit everything out of the park.

When Fakhar is batting, you know that after playing 3 or 4 dots, the guy is going to do something stupid. He obviously has some difficulty playing pacers and spinners(when turn is on offer). His strengths are bashing darters and trundlers. Will still be a valuable piece in ODI arena for Pak.

May be Pak is looking at Fakhar as a filler until Sharjeel returns. It did wonders for Pak in CT.
 
His role is to bash from the get go. Very difficult to maintain consistency when you are trying to hit everything out of the park.

When Fakhar is batting, you know that after playing 3 or 4 dots, the guy is going to do something stupid. He obviously has some difficulty playing pacers and spinners(when turn is on offer). His strengths are bashing darters and trundlers. Will still be a valuable piece in ODI arena for Pak.

May be Pak is looking at Fakhar as a filler until Sharjeel returns. It did wonders for Pak in CT.

I think he just tries too hard to meet unrealistic expectations instead of playing his natural game without any fear of disappointing the fans.
 
I think Fakhar should be given a long run.

After CT heroics he must have been floating over they clouds from all the reception and media attention. Give the guy a bit more time to settle back and refresh his mind.

He would probably never be able to outperform his CT final innings still he needs to keep a calm head and not over do it.

long run is given to players who have greater future. You can bet at Hafeez and Malik to get out in single digits facing quality fast bowling attack despite 15+ years of cricket.
 
Honestly, he's looking awful. Slashing at everything and swinging wildly. Still he's bought himself a lot of time with the CT performances. Hopefully he sorts things out.
 
It means he was out, no ball was an external factor and luck.

I never rate innings where players get dropped through dollies or where they should have been out but massive luck saved them.

All it shows is a lucky batsman.

Anyways, it's early days for Fakhar, hopefully he keeps working on his game so other teams can't take advantage of his weaknesses.

What external factor?
And what luck?
Incompetent bowler is not an external factor.
 
Can't wait til his fans turn on him. It will happen. Nothing personal against him, it's just a bit annoying watching him play ahead of so many better players, the way Afridi did for over a decade. Zaman can't bowl, so he wont last as long as Afridi.
 
Can't wait til his fans turn on him. It will happen. Nothing personal against him, it's just a bit annoying watching him play ahead of so many better players, the way Afridi did for over a decade. Zaman can't bowl, so he wont last as long as Afridi.
Who are these better players?
 
What external factor?
And what luck?
Incompetent bowler is not an external factor.

He had so many edges flying over slip, keepers and just missing his stumps in the champions trophy matches. A proper batsman will never give you so many chances to get him out. There are some fundamental problems with his batting that's why I doubt he will last long especially in ODIs.
 
Farhan, Umar Amin to name a few. Umar Akmal is also an option.
Farhan is untested even in domestic cricket. Umar Amin is a conventional stroke-player, not a dasher. Don't insult the fans' intelligence by mentioning Umar Akmal in a cricket discussion please.
 
I fear time is running out for Fakhar. He played another poor shot and he is trying to hit every ball too hard. Basics flaws in his batting are creeping up.
 
I fear time is running out for Fakhar. He played another poor shot and he is trying to hit every ball too hard. Basics flaws in his batting are creeping up.
Nothing is running out just these pitches in UAE are slow he needs to rotate strike as Mickey Arthur said but he is unable to resist his temptation of big shots
 
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Tbf I don't think he's been found out per-se but I do feel he's the kinda batsmen that like the ball coming onto the bat and the UAE wickets are anything but. They're awful to score fluently on and that hasn't helped his game.
 
Remember South Africa's De Koch's early days when he kept on failing but he was persisted with. Pakistan think tank needs to show the same patience with F Zaman.
 
Can’t we give Fakhar some time? He hasn’t even played 10 ODI and T20 yet.

I’m sure he’s working hard on his flaws with Grant Flower. Unlike Shehzad he does have the “talent to come out of this rough patch”
 
He's still new to international cricket. He is important for us be a use he can get us off to a good start if he gets a start.


I wouldn't drop him yet.
 
Looked much better today and mainly played some decent shots before he was sold a dummy by his opening partner.
 
Looked much better today and mainly played some decent shots before he was sold a dummy by his opening partner.

Totally unlucky today. He was also lucky many times in the past.

I guess it all evens out.
 
Zaman is a hack but he played the ODI knock of a lifetime so his name is set in stone. You can afford 1 hack in modern LOIs and maybe 2-3 in T20s.
 
Pakistan should stick with him, he is not a hack, probably seeing his worst time now, so will only get better IA!
 
He is still new and needs a long run. The team management should support him. He is an impact player and is really crucial to our LOI fortunes. Dropping him will be a very big mistake which can hurt us really bad.
 
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