Will Haider Ali succeed as an ODI batsman?

[MenInG]

If Mars and Jupiter somehow align in Orbit and price of Sugar falls below to one paisa per gram, there is a strong possibility that Haider could be soon seen in Pakistan colours in ODIs.

Should the unthinkable happen, do we feel Haider has the game to play the longer white-ball format?

Many say he plays too aggressive for his own good so will be good to see him adjust his game to play longer innings.

Thoughts?

 

[hoshiarpurexpress]

I think yes. He has to bat at the top of the order. He has the technique and mental aptitude as we saw in u19 WC and his test innings in QEA.. I think it was final.

 

[Thunderbolt14]

We need aggressive bats in our ODI lineup, and he has proper strokes too. Only thing left is temperament and shot selection which hopefully he will develop.

Should be given a very long rope, whether he does well today or not.

 

[Mr Crickekter]

I wish he will be playing all three formats... If not three atleast two....
But the only problem is Misbah... And we all know as per Misbah's requirements he is not eligible to play for Pakistan... Because the guy has not achieved Misbah's favourable age i.e 35

 

[Caved12]

We need aggressive bats in our ODI lineup, and he has proper strokes too. Only thing left is temperament and shot selection which hopefully he will develop.

Should be given a very long rope, whether he does well today or not.

Totally agree with TB14.

 

[cric_4life]

If Mohammed Hafeez shoaib Malik can play ODI for 20 years then Yes definately Haider Ali can play ODI cricket .

 

[zain7077]

As an opener, yes.

 

[MenInG]

If Mars and Jupiter somehow align in Orbit and price of Sugar falls below to one paisa per gram, there is a strong possibility that Haider could be soon seen in Pakistan colours in ODIs.

Should the unthinkable happen, do we feel Haider has the game to play the longer white-ball format?

Many say he plays too aggressive for his own good so will be good to see him adjust his game to play longer innings.

Thoughts?

Debut today

 

[angrypathan]

There's no reason why he shouldn't. Has a wide variety of shots at his disposal unlike a certain left handed opener of our's, just needs to make sure he plays the right ones at the right time.

 

[Omer2002]

The big question is where will he bat..he is an opener by trade batting at 4 would be too low

 

[MoJoJoJo]

a bright start ruined by a ********* of third umpire * But he needs to be a bit patient n spend some time in the middle before going big.

 

[Rana]

100%

Dont demand or expect and average of 40-50, but he will play knocks big or small to win games for Pakistan.

 

[zain7077]

The way Haider is managed will be key. He’s a bit like Umar in the sense that he doesn’t seem like he’ll listen to anyone and loves playing his shots.

 

[Pacy with wisdom]

His reactions to the ball are one of the best I have ever seen.
But to top that he has great game sense and temperament. I expect him to achieve great things for Pakistan InshaAllah.

 

[Zaz]

Hes a breath of fresh air And a must in this team

Hope he learns to minimise the risks whilst also carrying on playing his shots

 

[ElRaja]

got done by a terrible decision today, but he was obviously nervous, also didn't help that he had to start against spin i guess.

i like that he hits from the crease unlike other pak bastmen who historically used to run down the pitch when under pressure.

most important thing is intent, pak desperately needs batsmen who can push the tempo in middle overs, and he should be given 15 to 20 odis to settle into the role.

 

[Bewal Express]

Early days but he was frantic. Its great to hit 6s but you also have to remember the bread and butter strike rotation. Overall a positive start

 

[Syed1]

I might be in the minority but I'm yet to get on board the Haider hype train. I think he is too lose and does not have a solid defense like Babar. He reminds me of young Umar Akmal. A dynamic batsman who can hit the long ball at will but lacks patience and temperament to build long innings or to handle pressure situations.


I hope I'm wrong and Haider goes on to be an asset for the side, but have been burned several times before due to these false dawns. Also I feel he has had it to early and too easy. Remember Bobby had to go through the entire length of age group cricket then perform in domestics before getting a call up, I think Haider has played just one season and is already a part of ODI and T20 squads. Would have been better for him if he played for a couple more years and then got inducted.

 

[Omer2002]

Agreed too early for him but we need new blood like him was too frantic

 

[Firebat]

Offers something entirely different in this team, we are crying out for an aggressive and expansive player in the middle order. Obviously very early days, but IA the future is bright. What a horrific umpiring decision to give him out, was shouting at my screen.

 

[GreenKhan]

If we can get a 35 average with a SR between 90-100 then he will be more than a positive asset to our one day set up . Their will be times he will have brain fades, and will frustrate us, but he’s 20 and needs to be persisted with .

He is a different batsman to the likes of Babar, Haris etc but we need a combination of accumulators and power hitters in our line up .

 

[Bewal Express]

I might be in the minority but I'm yet to get on board the Haider hype train. I think he is too lose and does not have a solid defense like Babar. He reminds me of young Umar Akmal. A dynamic batsman who can hit the long ball at will but lacks patience and temperament to build long innings or to handle pressure situations.


I hope I'm wrong and Haider goes on to be an asset for the side, but have been burned several times before due to these false dawns. Also I feel he has had it to early and too easy. Remember Bobby had to go through the entire length of age group cricket then perform in domestics before getting a call up, I think Haider has played just one season and is already a part of ODI and T20 squads. Would have been better for him if he played for a couple more years and then got inducted.

Partially agree but let's hope he has the work ethic and just as importantly some brain cells to kick on.

 

[Bewal Express]

Offers something entirely different in this team, we are crying out for an aggressive and expansive player in the middle order. Obviously very early days, but IA the future is bright. What a horrific umpiring decision to give him out, was shouting at my screen.

Technology failed him. The 3rd umpire was put in a difficult position, he did the right thing

 

[Bewal Express]

Hes a breath of fresh air And a must in this team

Hope he learns to minimise the risks whilst also carrying on playing his shots

Its the holy grail of all batsman to minimise risk and score quickly. If he can do it then he would become a top 5 batsman. I don't see him at that level

 

[Firebat]

Technology failed him. The 3rd umpire was put in a difficult position, he did the right thing

How big must the technology's mistake be before we trust what we are seeing? The ball hit his glove and was deflected like 60 degrees, hit his pad like 20cm away from the original line of the ball. Farce.

 

[Pacy with wisdom]

I see most people here dont rate him as an elite talent which is surprising.
The guy has everything and is equally good against pace and spin.
As i have mentioned before, his reactions to the ball are phenomenal.
All he needs is a little tightening of the technique by staying more side on, because at the moment, he opens up too much making him very susceptible to a nick off.
If he figures this thing out, then there should be no stopping him.

 

[Kroll]

I might be in the minority but I'm yet to get on board the Haider hype train. I think he is too lose and does not have a solid defense like Babar. He reminds me of young Umar Akmal. A dynamic batsman who can hit the long ball at will but lacks patience and temperament to build long innings or to handle pressure situations.


I hope I'm wrong and Haider goes on to be an asset for the side, but have been burned several times before due to these false dawns. Also I feel he has had it to early and too easy. Remember Bobby had to go through the entire length of age group cricket then perform in domestics before getting a call up, I think Haider has played just one season and is already a part of ODI and T20 squads. Would have been better for him if he played for a couple more years and then got inducted.

Shameless Misbah blocked out Babar in ODI for way too long before handing debut. Instead he merrily played his washed up buddies.

Then he’s handing out caps like confetti to school kids like Musa.

 

[Bewal Express]

How big must the technology's mistake be before we trust what we are seeing? The ball hit his glove and was deflected like 60 degrees, hit his pad like 20cm away from the original line of the ball. Farce.

These things happen and on this occasion ot was howler but 3rd umpire can only go by the protocols given to him.

 

[Zaz]

Its the holy grail of all batsman to minimise risk and score quickly. If he can do it then he would become a top 5 batsman. I don't see him at that level

Lets see Hes young and has time on his side

Umar Akmal was a similar player who regressed over time but if haider has any brains and keeps his head grounded unlike chota akmal he will take his game to he next couple of levels inshallah

 

[Bewal Express]

I see most people here dont rate him as an elite talent which is surprising.
The guy has everything and is equally good against pace and spin.
As i have mentioned before, his reactions to the ball are phenomenal.
All he needs is a little tightening of the technique by staying more side on, because at the moment, he opens up too much making him very susceptible to a nick off.
If he figures this thing out, then there should be no stopping him.

I suppose after 20 years of false dawns with likes of Nairobi, Farhat Shazad etc, the old timers are weary of the latest " great white hope". He certainly has to play and I would give him a very long rope, its not as if we overburdened with talent.

 

[Bewal Express]

Lets see Hes young and has time on his side

Umar Akmal was a similar player who regressed over time but if haider has any brains and keeps his head grounded unlike chota akmal he will take his game to he next couple of levels inshallah

How many of our young players even have a half a brain cell. I can think of Babar and that's it. Look at the regression of not only Akmal but more recent ones like Shadab and Sami. Our young players generally lack the intelligence and that stops them in their track.

 

[MenInG]

Waqar Younis on Haider Ali:

"Haider Ali is a wonderful talent as we saw when he played in a T20I and also as we saw today; He plays according to demands of modern day cricket; He is aggressive and he likes to get on with the job; As we know in modern day cricket, any score under 300 is difficult to defend unless someone puts in an exceptional bowling spell; We probably need more of these kinds of batsmen who can play fluent and positive cricket"

 

[shamaan]

As an opener, yes.

If he can perform at 4 it gives pakistan an extra dimension becouse we all no hes an opener of trait it gives pakistan adaptability when chasing big scores he can open and when someones not fit he can fit in at 4

 

[shamaan]

The big question is where will he bat..he is an opener by trade batting at 4 would be too low

I think he should open but if he can perform at 4 then hes literally secured his spot in the team it gives pakistan adaptability and they should change according to the situation

 

[Saj]

The question that springs to mind is where should he bat in ODIs?

I wouldn't mind seeing him open the innings in both T20Is and ODIs.

 

[shamaan]

I might be in the minority but I'm yet to get on board the Haider hype train. I think he is too lose and does not have a solid defense like Babar. He reminds me of young Umar Akmal. A dynamic batsman who can hit the long ball at will but lacks patience and temperament to build long innings or to handle pressure situations.


I hope I'm wrong and Haider goes on to be an asset for the side, but have been burned several times before due to these false dawns. Also I feel he has had it to early and too easy. Remember Bobby had to go through the entire length of age group cricket then perform in domestics before getting a call up, I think Haider has played just one season and is already a part of ODI and T20 squads. Would have been better for him if he played for a couple more years and then got inducted.

Hes played u19s list and and first class hes come throw a system.hes naturally attacking likes to take on bowlers similar to sehwag and roy not saying hes good as them at the moment but he could be as good in future

 

[shamaan]

The question that springs to mind is where should he bat in ODIs?

I wouldn't mind seeing him open the innings in both T20Is and ODIs.

In the t20s at 3
In the odis either oppening or at 4 depending if fakhar is in form or not

 

[Theo_14]

Far too early to say. Everyone should be humble after the explosive start Umar Akmal, Nasir Jamshed and Ahmed Shehzad have had.

The talent is there, but does he have the abilities to sustain and become a even better player at this level? Give him few series and then we shall see.

We have seen many batsmen have purple patch form ie Sohaib Maqsood/Abid Ali but then go down hill from there.

 

[Pacy with wisdom]

Hes played u19s list and and first class hes come throw a system.hes naturally attacking likes to take on bowlers similar to sehwag and roy not saying hes good as them at the moment but he could be as good in future

You have really low standards for him if you want him to be like those two.
He is capable of much more.

 

[MenInG]

I might be in the minority but I'm yet to get on board the Haider hype train. I think he is too lose and does not have a solid defense like Babar. He reminds me of young Umar Akmal. A dynamic batsman who can hit the long ball at will but lacks patience and temperament to build long innings or to handle pressure situations.


I hope I'm wrong and Haider goes on to be an asset for the side, but have been burned several times before due to these false dawns. Also I feel he has had it to early and too easy. Remember Bobby had to go through the entire length of age group cricket then perform in domestics before getting a call up, I think Haider has played just one season and is already a part of ODI and T20 squads. Would have been better for him if he played for a couple more years and then got inducted.

He is a good quality 'badtameez' batsman in my view. We need one of those.

 

[Nasty Naz]

I feel like he will but it will be up to him to determine how much he will succeed. His defensive technique doesn't look that great to me but it may be due to slightly unorthodox batting. He certainly has the necessary bat to ball skills, timing and shots range to be very good but he will need to avoid the Hafeez/Akmal syndrome of having consistent soft dismissals.

Hope they try to develop him as an opener in limited over formats.

 

[Zaz]

At 4 he will certainly give more energy and a boost to proceedings when generally our inning starts to stagnate after the opening 15 overs

 

[Markhor]

I think his defensive technique will improve with more 4 day cricket and some simple tweaks.

He has a very attacking mindset which is wonderful and exactly what our white ball teams need so he mustn't be unduly criticised if he sometimes gets out cheaply trying to attack.

However in Babar he has an ideal example of someone with a burning desire to convert starts while maintaining a positive SR.

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

You have really low standards for him if you want him to be like those two.
He is capable of much more.

Looks like Your wisdom is limited to pace bowling.

 

[Pacy with wisdom]

Looks like Your wisdom is limited to pace bowling.

Dont be hurt.
I loved Sehwag during his playing days; one of the best test batsmen ever in Asia; and a goat player of spin.
Perhaps i was harsh by calling him a low standard role model for a talented young batsman.
But he had his weaknesses which i dont really need to extrapolate on, and this is why i dont want Haider to emulate him.
Moving on to Roy, the guy cant get runs against the moving ball to save his life. He is just a limited overs FTB, who has optimized his potential due to sheer hard work and the backing of a great system.

There are better role models for Haider out there, given his ability.

 

[Pacy with wisdom]

How many of our young players even have a half a brain cell. I can think of Babar and that's it. Look at the regression of not only Akmal but more recent ones like Shadab and Sami. Our young players generally lack the intelligence and that stops them in their track.

Haider is temperamentally sound, has great self belief and has good match awareness.
I wouldnt be rating him so high otherwise.
So dont worry.
Just watch him develop.

 

[Bewal Express]

Haider is temperamentally sound, has great self belief and has good match awareness.
I wouldnt be rating him so high otherwise.
So dont worry.
Just watch him develop.

If you watched as much as i have, you would have seen many a talent come and fail. I can remember Ejaz as an 18 yr old back in 1986 and all the high hopes since. Lets hope you are right, he has alot going for him but the thing that differentiates are under performers from the Indians is basic intelligence and the ability to stay grounded.

 

[Mirpur express]

I am exited about this lad, has the ingredients to be a top modern day player , input of hard work & mentorship will determine the outcome... have to open with him in odi & t20’s imo

 

[The Viper]

He has the quality to become a mainstay in the team. He has the shots and aggression that we need. He looked comfortable against spin, although that's no surprise.

 

[shamaan]

You have really low standards for him if you want him to be like those two.
He is capable of much more.

Am on about odis and t20s if you think roy is low standard then that's your opinion how is this low standard ??

 

[MenInG]

Was unlucky in first ODI he played but what now?

 

[NauV]

I really like him! I think he's got something about him . . his bat speed is fantastic! Definite talent and one who needs to be persisted with and needs to become Babar's best friend . .

What worries me is his shot selection . . plays risky shots . . wnats to hit sixes! Haven't seen his rotation game or even shots to the boundary along the ground . . He needs to develop that game big time . . he clearly seems to have the power game . . can he score 40 (40) risk free?

I hope his development is like Marnus Labushagne's who got very close to Steve Smith and clearly that friendship has had a massive impact on his game and technique

 

[Muddaser]

Poor mans Umar Akmal.

Walking wicket.

 

[Nado_]

Poor mans Umar Akmal.

Walking wicket.

So many quick judgements, the kid has the talent and potential. Just need to be patient and allow him to develop. Pakistan need to give him a consistent run.

 

[Khan12]

Lol. The attitude of some fans is awful. They expect a 20 year old to be a finished article and scoring tons. Some people are already calling him an Umer Akmal. He needs to improve in certain areas and with his attitude I am sure inshallah he will. Plays both pace and spin well it will take time our fans don't have patience. How can we forget they wanted Babar and Shaheen out after few matches.

 

[Hasan123]

He is going to need to play first class cricket to improve his game. It's very obvious. He has the shots but he needs to learn more about batting.

You are going to need to be patient with him as it won't come straight away. Calling him another Umar Akmal at this point is useless as he needs time and first class matches to develop further.

 

[silentkiller187]

Poor mans Umar Akmal.

Walking wicket.

The kid made a 50 on his t20 debut against england give him a break, hes still making a name for himself, got a terrible decision the other day and then an lbw today after hitting 3 fours, not sure how you have come to the conclusion he is a walking wicket?

 

[GreenKhan]

The problem with Haider Ali is his lack of experience . He has not even played 25 competitive senior matches and finds him self in the international set up .

He is still learning and when your learning on the job at international level it becomes very difficult as there is immense scrutiny and with that comes criticism and a lack of patience especially from the media and people alike especially on this forum .

He’s fine for t20s but really should play a full season of domestic cricket in all formats just to build his experience and game awareness.

It seems recently on this forum that anyone who scored a 50 in the t20 cup or the one day tournament was being heralded as the next best thing .

The same applies for Abdullah shafiq. He has not played a single List A game , and is being expected to play for the one day team . It’s far to much to quickly . Even if does get selected and he fails in a few matches he would be dismissed as the next Umar akmal or a hype job .

We need to hold our horses and let these players develop.

Khushdil shah deserves an extended run in the team before these two , he has the pedigree and the performance in domestics to warrant that .

At the moment if we persist with Haider in the one day setup he will probably have numbers of 110sr and a 25 average .
Give them time to learn . Especially as we don’t have the patience as demonstrated already on this post .

 

[GreenKhan]

A lot of them don't know anything about cricket for a start. If any guy scores runs he's good and when the same guys doesn't score they are rubbish.

Sometimes I wander why I even bother responding to some of the banal comments I see on here , but then I remember that everyone is entitled to an opinion .

 

[Khan12]

Sometimes I wander why I even bother responding to some of the banal comments I see on here , but then I remember that everyone is entitled to an opinion .

Fickle fans they are. The have seen umer Akmal so they think all players will end up like him same was said about Babar by fans saying he's going umer Akmal route.

 

[Muddaser]

The issue isn't runs.

It's the brainless approach after the team were 2 down.

We need cricketers with Akkal if we want to go forward.

If we want consistent results we need to pick consistent players.

Haider will give a decent innings once in a blue moon and thats about it.

 

[Pacy with wisdom]

The issue isn't runs.

It's the brainless approach after the team were 2 down.

We need cricketers with Akkal if we want to go forward.

If we want consistent results we need to pick consistent players.

Haider will give a decent innings once in a blue moon and thats about it.

You wont need to buy food my friend, because you will be served with a lot of pies.
Lots of them.

 

[Muddaser]

You wont need to buy food my friend, because you will be served with a lot of pies.
Lots of them.

My friend I have seen plenty of years of cricket to know what we are getting with a player.

Wahab a tailender is showing more application and adaptation to a situation right now.

Poor mans legside Umar Akmal. That is Haider Ali.

 

[Syed1]

New Umar Akmal as I said previously.

 

[the Great Khan]

Poor mans Umar Akmal.

Walking wicket.

thats harsh. He's not played that much and needs to be given chance. We need to back our players..

 

[Muddaser]

thats harsh. He's not played that much and needs to be given chance. We need to back our players..

Always back the players. Just like batsmen who don't put a price on their wicket.

The last game and today he had a chance to build an innings and approach it according to the match situation.

Failed.

 

[Khan12]

New Umar Akmal as I said previously.

Who can forget your expert thread on Babar Azam.

 

[Khan12]

Always back the players. Just like batsmen who don't put a price on their wicket.

The last game and today he had a chance to build an innings and approach it according to the match situation.

Failed.

Last game he got of the worst decision is recent time at least be just.

 

[hitthestump]

New Umar Akmal as I said previously.

Imagine people are screaming at Misbah for not including youngsters and this is how they treat them after a couple of average innings.

Pakistan fans deserve Malik and Hafeez in 2023.

 

[Sir-fraz]

He should open, clearly he has the shots. Opening will ultilize him the best.

 

[Savak]

The guy has shot selection problems

 

[badsha001]

all the people who are bashing this kid are the akmal, hafeez and malik supporters.

 

[Muddaser]

all the people who are bashing this kid are the akmal, hafeez and malik supporters.

I'm bashing him and the rest.

Umar Akmal is Rubbish and even he is better than Haider Ali.

Malik and Hafeez are bits and pieces players who should be nowhere near the Pakistan team.

They were average in their prime. What they gonna do at 40 years old.

 

[Muddaser]

Last game he got of the worst decision is recent time at least be just.

The issue isn't the dismissals but the approach in both games.

Brainless cricket in both innings.

 

[Pacy with wisdom]

I'm bashing him and the rest.

Umar Akmal is Rubbish and even he is better than Haider Ali.

Malik and Hafeez are bits and pieces players who should be nowhere near the Pakistan team.

They were average in their prime. What they gonna do at 40 years old.

You may have seen cricket, but from your posts it seems you know very little about it.
Told you, keep your freezer empty, because you will have to store a lot of pies in there.

 

[Pacy with wisdom]

New Umar Akmal as I said previously.

You said something similar about Babar.
How did that end?

 

[Syed1]

You said something similar about Babar.
How did that end?

I said about Babar's test stats at the time. Not my fault you are stupid.

 

[BunnyRabbit]

New Umar Akmal as I said previously.

Umar Akmal won us quite a few matches till early 2014.

 

[Khan12]

You said something similar about Babar.
How did that end?

Lol. That was a lenegdry thread. Shows how much of an expert he is.

 

[Bigboii]

He is good persist with him just like we did with babar in tests