Abdullah719
T20I Captain
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Oh dear, it looks like the passing of early judgments has begun… for the dude who was playing his third match.
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100% even in psl just look at his dismissalsThe issue isn't the dismissals but the approach in both games.
Brainless cricket in both innings.
You may have seen cricket, but from your posts it seems you know very little about it.
Told you, keep your freezer empty, because you will have to store a lot of pies in there.
100% even in psl just look at his dismissals
They were mostly stupid and he just didn't care about losing his wickets
So your point is valid and people ignoring it are being delusional f****ys
But he is a good cricketer have no doubt about that (I mean just look at him play awesome to see)
If he spends some time in fc I hope he gets the maturity to respect his wickets
Lois we should play him but no tests he is not at all ready for that
Saud Shakeel, Haris Sohail and Abdullah Shafiq are worthy batsmen who should be permanents in Pakistan squads in all formats.
Heck I would pick Sohaib Maqsood ahead of Haider, Iftikhar.
Shows how much you know about cricket if you want shaoib maqsood over haider ali.
Sohaib is a better cricketer than Haider and Iftikhar.
Bowls too.
I am telling you simply on watching them play.
Doesn't mean he is great but better than Haider.
Haider is a bonafide legside hack.
Why do you guys questions a person knowledge simply because they don't agree with you?
How old are you?
Lol. Maqsood bowling and better cricketer then haider. Haider fitness is miles better then him as well as a better fielder. Maqsood had talent but never put in hard work. Still gets worked over easily in the same manner. Plus maqsood chucks. Haider a leg side hack oh dear did you see his shots today. I am old enough to know maqsood is past it now even though I don't mind him in t20s he not going to be good enough.
People are going to question if you think maqsood is better cricketer then haider ali. I mean who won't. Haider is comfortably better then him play spin and pace anyone watching them bat together will tell you who's the better batsmen between the 2.
Maqsood past it? Third highest scorer in the National t20. More runs than the superstar Haider.
You keep riding on the Haider bandwagon.
Keep talking about talent and technique. The guy doesn't know how to play cricket.
Team was 2 down today and he is going for it. Wahab a tailender has better temperament. Atleast he played according to the situation.
Umar Akmal is better than Haider and he is average too LOL.
Maqsood past it? Third highest scorer in the National t20. More runs than the superstar Haider.
You keep riding on the Haider bandwagon.
Keep talking about talent and technique. The guy doesn't know how to play cricket.
Team was 2 down today and he is going for it. Wahab a tailender has better temperament. Atleast he played according to the situation.
Umar Akmal is better than Haider and he is average too LOL.
Oof go easy on them.
Where did I call him a superstar? When did I say he's a fished product? Where did I say he doesn't need to improve? Maqsood I have seen enough of him and still bat as if it's his first year of playing cricket.
Haider is the new Umar Akmal?
Fikle, reactionary and short sighted from some of our fans.
Bring back TTF's. How are people advocating for Maqsood, a failure in International cricket?
Yes on how much maqsood is better then haider ali.
The issue isn't the dismissals but the approach in both games.
Brainless cricket in both innings.
Always back the players. Just like batsmen who don't put a price on their wicket.
The last game and today he had a chance to build an innings and approach it according to the match situation.
Failed.
The issue isn't runs.
It's the brainless approach after the team were 2 down.
We need cricketers with Akkal if we want to go forward.
If we want consistent results we need to pick consistent players.
Haider will give a decent innings once in a blue moon and thats about it.
Poor mans Umar Akmal.
Walking wicket.
Maqsood past it? Third highest scorer in the National t20. More runs than the superstar Haider.
You keep riding on the Haider bandwagon.
Keep talking about talent and technique. The guy doesn't know how to play cricket.
Team was 2 down today and he is going for it. Wahab a tailender has better temperament. Atleast he played according to the situation.
Umar Akmal is better than Haider and he is average too LOL.
Lol. Maqsood bowling and better cricketer then haider. Haider fitness is miles better then him as well as a better fielder. Maqsood had talent but never put in hard work. Still gets worked over easily in the same manner. Plus maqsood chucks. Haider a leg side hack oh dear did you see his shots today. I am old enough to know maqsood is past it now even though I don't mind him in t20s he not going to be good enough.
People are going to question if you think maqsood is better cricketer then haider ali. I mean who won't. Haider is comfortably better then him play spin and pace anyone watching them bat together will tell you who's the better batsmen between the 2.
Such wrong takes in this thread.
The approach in both games was fine and it was refreshing even. Put the bad balls away and stay ahead. We need more of this not less.
Wasn't even out in the first game.
There is no point in hanging around, letting the runrate go beyond control and then slog and get out. No one does that.
It's been two innings.
And you got that from two innings? This why we don't get proper batsman.
If Rohit was Pakistani, we would have discarded him by now.
If we want consistent results, we need to identify batsman who have the ability and anyone who has seen Haider bat, knows he does, and given them a proper long run.
Again talking nonsense.
Walking wicket after three international games, which include a fifty on debut, a dismissal in which he wasn't out and today's innings.
Yeah sure, walking wicket.
He misjudged the length of the ball. It happens and will happen. That is how he will learn. That is how they all learn.
No one is perfect from the first ball.
Maqsood had more runs than Haider because he played about double the matches.
And no Haider is not a leg side hack either. I don't know how anyone who has seen him bat can say that.
I have seen him but Shaheen, Naseem and others too through the covers, behind and infront of point. Drive Amir straight back down and more.
Not advocating. Just saying Sohaib and Akmal are better than Haider and they are average at best.
For me Abdullah, Saud and Haris belong in the middle order with Babar.
Imam is a good consistent opener though slow atleast puts runs on the board consistently.
No way is Maqsood better than Haider. He outscored him in recent National T20 Cup, yet we can't use that as the sole metric to judge a player. No doubt he should have been more patient today, but he is still young and these are are his first few games. Trust me he has patience, he has shown that in FC and even in the U-19 WC. His approach would work even more as an opener, which is his natural position. I just don't think you can call somebody brainless after a few failures, if this carries on for a number of games, then perhaps your comments are justified. He should be given a run and he will show his quality.
Lets wait and see.
I know for certain he is another Pakistani batsmen suffering from Afridiatis.
They never learn cause it's just in their nature.
Make it your signature. Let's see who gets vindicated. Lol
How brainless do you have to be to start comparing a 19 year old kid who has only played 3 International matches to Umar Akmal, Maqsood and Afridi. Get a grip.
How brainless do you have to be to start comparing a 19 year old kid who has only played 3 International matches to Umar Akmal, Maqsood and Afridi. Get a grip.
The same thing was said about Afridi, Umar & Maqsood (add Nazir as well), on their 3rd game as well and bar Maqsood, others were not even 19 then - it didn't change though after 5-10-15, even 20 years later.
Dont be hurt.
I loved Sehwag during his playing days; one of the best test batsmen ever in Asia; and a goat player of spin.
Perhaps i was harsh by calling him a low standard role model for a talented young batsman.
But he had his weaknesses which i dont really need to extrapolate on, and this is why i dont want Haider to emulate him.
Moving on to Roy, the guy cant get runs against the moving ball to save his life. He is just a limited overs FTB, who has optimized his potential due to sheer hard work and the backing of a great system.
There are better role models for Haider out there, given his ability.
Apart from batting intelligence (which is not that bright to be honest), there are three alarming deficiencies in Haider's batting. Unless he improves considerably in this three aspects, he won't advance more than a T20 star, that too in bilaterals.
1. Value for own wicket - that's batsman's first instinct. I am not saying one should be selfish, but batsman gets only one chance in an innings, unless he puts a price tag on own wicket and reduce gifting wickets, he won't ever be consistent.
2. Horrible shuffling across the wicket - that's the first sign of leg swinger. Cricket is a side on game and his open stance technique will be exposed against anything that leaves the ball - in between, whenever bowler straightens it on target or brings back, he is a sitting duck. I believe he was a bit unlucky in second game - but, be sure that this'll not be his first. The way he comes across the wicket sometimes even before releasing the ball, most umpires will give 50-50 calls in favor of bowlers, and sometimes 20-80 calls as well.
3. For a top order, he plays too much on air - that's the first sign of bottom hand butchers, his bottom had becomes prominent for drives. He'll struggle to drive against flighted spin and close to body out-swingers.
It sounds too critical, but even considering his age and experience, guy has got enough hype - somewhere it needs to be balanced, otherwise he'll fly up in sky with the amount of gas PP is putting in his talent.
Apart from batting intelligence (which is not that bright to be honest), there are three alarming deficiencies in Haider's batting. Unless he improves considerably in this three aspects, he won't advance more than a T20 star, that too in bilaterals.
1. Value for own wicket - that's batsman's first instinct. I am not saying one should be selfish, but batsman gets only one chance in an innings, unless he puts a price tag on own wicket and reduce gifting wickets, he won't ever be consistent.
2. Horrible shuffling across the wicket - that's the first sign of leg swinger. Cricket is a side on game and his open stance technique will be exposed against anything that leaves the ball - in between, whenever bowler straightens it on target or brings back, he is a sitting duck. I believe he was a bit unlucky in second game - but, be sure that this'll not be his first. The way he comes across the wicket sometimes even before releasing the ball, most umpires will give 50-50 calls in favor of bowlers, and sometimes 20-80 calls as well.
3. For a top order, he plays too much on air - that's the first sign of bottom hand butchers, his bottom had becomes prominent for drives. He'll struggle to drive against flighted spin and close to body out-swingers.
It sounds too critical, but even considering his age and experience, guy has got enough hype - somewhere it needs to be balanced, otherwise he'll fly up in sky with the amount of gas PP is putting in his talent.
There is only one problem, and that is his inclination to open up and not stay side on, which is easily rectifiable when identified.
The rest is just some lazy and overwrought analysis which has become your style these days because had you followed his rise last year from under 19 cricket and seen him play in first class cricket, you would have not said all of this.
There is only one problem, and that is his inclination to open up and not stay side on, which is easily rectifiable when identified.
The rest is just some lazy and overwrought analysis which has become your style these days because had you followed his rise last year from under 19 cricket and seen him play in first class cricket, you would have not said all of this.
Bro thanks for putting in the effort to defend Haider. He has so much time to play the ball and that alone is indicative of being given an extended 20 game run with the national side.
Most on this thread have come here just to write him off, but there are those who know that such comments are silly and refuse to even entertain them - have solace knowing we appreciate your posts.
I was impressed with Haider the first time I saw him because of his fast hands and his ball sense. These qualities are natural and cannot be taught.
His technique is extremely raw and is not repeatable yet. He is purely playing on instincts so far which shows that he has considerable natural ability.
He is one of those players who can do wonders with proper coaching and extensive practice but can easily fade away if he is in the wrong hands and does not practice enough.
I was impressed with Haider the first time I saw him because of his fast hands and his ball sense. These qualities are natural and cannot be taught.
His technique is extremely raw and is not repeatable yet. He is purely playing on instincts so far which shows that he has considerable natural ability.
He is one of those players who can do wonders with proper coaching and extensive practice but can easily fade away if he is in the wrong hands and does not practice enough.
But unfortunately his approach whenever I see him bats just shows me he is another Afridi, Umar Akmal in the making.
Haider is a bonafide legside hack.
Why do you guys questions a person knowledge simply because they don’t agree with you?
How old are you?

Are you sure you watched his innings today?
First ball was a backfoot push for four to cover. A couple balls later, he hit a cover drive for four.
These are not the typical traits of a leg-side hack![]()
90% of his shots are legside.
He is a legside hack.
People are emotional about Haider Ali
If he is quality then it is good for Pakistan. Hype doesn’t matter, he has to perform. Lets give him some time and games.
90% of his shots are legside.
He is a legside hack.
Haider will be fine. I'm particularly excited about the fact that he comes in and immediately lets the bowler know that any half-bad delivery will be dispatched to the boundary, and with some flair. If a batsman has that, he's a matchwinner, period.
This is the kind of batsman we were desperate for and here we have people comparing him to Afridi and calling him a leg-side hack.
No way is Maqsood better than Haider. He outscored him in recent National T20 Cup, yet we can't use that as the sole metric to judge a player. No doubt he should have been more patient today, but he is still young and these are are his first few games. Trust me he has patience, he has shown that in FC and even in the U-19 WC. His approach would work even more as an opener, which is his natural position. I just don't think you can call somebody brainless after a few failures, if this carries on for a number of games, then perhaps your comments are justified. He should be given a run and he will show his quality.
If not in the top order, give him a long rope at number 5.
Can hit big, can consolidate also as he has the game.
That is where mostly young players start before moving up the order.
Not sure why this is not happening ? Misbah and Babar should go for this option.
If not in the top order, give him a long rope at number 5.
Can hit big, can consolidate also as he has the game.
That is where mostly young players start before moving up the order.
Not sure why this is not happening ? Misbah and Babar should go for this option.
With hindsight Haider should've batted at 5 from the start of his international career so you've four senior batsmen ahead of him taking the pressure off the youngster.
Over time he'd move up. Instead we played him in the top order when he's still learning his game and despite little domestic experience.
There's a narrative that he struggles against spin after his failures vs Shamsi in Pakistan, but Haider has never been dismissed by spin in the PSL. And there aren't many left arm wrist spinners around anyway.