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Will Haider Ali succeed as an ODI batsman?

Oh dear, it looks like the passing of early judgments has begun… for the dude who was playing his third match.
 
The issue isn't the dismissals but the approach in both games.

Brainless cricket in both innings.
100% even in psl just look at his dismissals

They were mostly stupid and he just didn't care about losing his wickets

So your point is valid and people ignoring it are being delusional f****ys

But he is a good cricketer have no doubt about that (I mean just look at him play awesome to see)

If he spends some time in fc I hope he gets the maturity to respect his wickets

Lois we should play him but no tests he is not at all ready for that
 
You may have seen cricket, but from your posts it seems you know very little about it.
Told you, keep your freezer empty, because you will have to store a lot of pies in there.

You can ALL the talent and technique in the world.

But you will never succeed without a brain or temperament as they say.

Haider is as clueless as Afridi and Akmal when it comes to batting at the crease.

I have seen plenty like him. They come with a bang then get worked out and vanish.

Fakhar is the current player in this predicament.
 
100% even in psl just look at his dismissals

They were mostly stupid and he just didn't care about losing his wickets

So your point is valid and people ignoring it are being delusional f****ys

But he is a good cricketer have no doubt about that (I mean just look at him play awesome to see)

If he spends some time in fc I hope he gets the maturity to respect his wickets

Lois we should play him but no tests he is not at all ready for that

Bruv he can have all the talent and technique in the world.

Without brains or temperament you will never succeed.

In T20 you can get away with it but in 50 overs and tests you have no chance.

He doesn't know HOW to play cricket. 2 wickets down and he is still going for it.

Wahab with less talent and technique showed more application and approach during this game.

All about temperament.
 
Saud Shakeel, Haris Sohail and Abdullah Shafiq are worthy batsmen who should be permanents in Pakistan squads in all formats.

Heck I would pick Sohaib Maqsood ahead of Haider, Iftikhar.

Shows how much you know about cricket if you want shaoib maqsood over haider ali.
 
Shows how much you know about cricket if you want shaoib maqsood over haider ali.

Sohaib is a better cricketer than Haider and Iftikhar.

Bowls too.

I am telling you simply on watching them play.

Doesn't mean he is great but better than Haider.

Haider is a bonafide legside hack.

Why do you guys questions a person knowledge simply because they don't agree with you?

How old are you?
 
Sohaib is a better cricketer than Haider and Iftikhar.

Bowls too.

I am telling you simply on watching them play.

Doesn't mean he is great but better than Haider.

Haider is a bonafide legside hack.

Why do you guys questions a person knowledge simply because they don't agree with you?

How old are you?

Lol. Maqsood bowling and better cricketer then haider. Haider fitness is miles better then him as well as a better fielder. Maqsood had talent but never put in hard work. Still gets worked over easily in the same manner. Plus maqsood chucks. Haider a leg side hack oh dear did you see his shots today. I am old enough to know maqsood is past it now even though I don't mind him in t20s he not going to be good enough.

People are going to question if you think maqsood is better cricketer then haider ali. I mean who won't. Haider is comfortably better then him play spin and pace anyone watching them bat together will tell you who's the better batsmen between the 2.
 
Lol. Maqsood bowling and better cricketer then haider. Haider fitness is miles better then him as well as a better fielder. Maqsood had talent but never put in hard work. Still gets worked over easily in the same manner. Plus maqsood chucks. Haider a leg side hack oh dear did you see his shots today. I am old enough to know maqsood is past it now even though I don't mind him in t20s he not going to be good enough.

People are going to question if you think maqsood is better cricketer then haider ali. I mean who won't. Haider is comfortably better then him play spin and pace anyone watching them bat together will tell you who's the better batsmen between the 2.

Maqsood past it? Third highest scorer in the National t20. More runs than the superstar Haider.

You keep riding on the Haider bandwagon.

Keep talking about talent and technique. The guy doesn't know how to play cricket.

Team was 2 down today and he is going for it. Wahab a tailender has better temperament. Atleast he played according to the situation.

Umar Akmal is better than Haider and he is average too LOL.
 
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Maqsood past it? Third highest scorer in the National t20. More runs than the superstar Haider.

You keep riding on the Haider bandwagon.

Keep talking about talent and technique. The guy doesn't know how to play cricket.

Team was 2 down today and he is going for it. Wahab a tailender has better temperament. Atleast he played according to the situation.

Umar Akmal is better than Haider and he is average too LOL.

Oof go easy on them.
 
Maqsood past it? Third highest scorer in the National t20. More runs than the superstar Haider.

You keep riding on the Haider bandwagon.

Keep talking about talent and technique. The guy doesn't know how to play cricket.

Team was 2 down today and he is going for it. Wahab a tailender has better temperament. Atleast he played according to the situation.

Umar Akmal is better than Haider and he is average too LOL.

Where did I call him a superstar? When did I say he's a fished product? Where did I say he doesn't need to improve? Maqsood I have seen enough of him and still bat as if it's his first year of playing cricket.
 
Haider is the new Umar Akmal?

Fikle, reactionary and short sighted from some of our fans.

Bring back TTF's. How are people advocating for Maqsood, a failure in International cricket?
 
Where did I call him a superstar? When did I say he's a fished product? Where did I say he doesn't need to improve? Maqsood I have seen enough of him and still bat as if it's his first year of playing cricket.

He does NOT have a brain or temperament to play accordingly.

Who is gonna help him grow a brain. You either have it or you don't.

Like I said, Wahab with less talent and technique outplayed him today.

Why?

Because he had the brains to adapt to the match situation and play accordingly.

Pakistan is in this state because of brainless sloggers who hit a few sixes and all of a sudden they are called talented superstars.

Talunt talunt talunt.

Only this happens once in a blue moon and never under pressure in the big games.

Thats why Pakistan is inconsistent.

Because we pick inconsistent players.
 
Haider is the new Umar Akmal?

Fikle, reactionary and short sighted from some of our fans.

Bring back TTF's. How are people advocating for Maqsood, a failure in International cricket?

Not advocating. Just saying Sohaib and Akmal are better than Haider and they are average at best.

For me Abdullah, Saud and Haris belong in the middle order with Babar.

Imam is a good consistent opener though slow atleast puts runs on the board consistently.
 
Such wrong takes in this thread.

The issue isn't the dismissals but the approach in both games.

Brainless cricket in both innings.

The approach in both games was fine and it was refreshing even. Put the bad balls away and stay ahead. We need more of this not less.

Wasn't even out in the first game.

There is no point in hanging around, letting the runrate go beyond control and then slog and get out. No one does that.

Always back the players. Just like batsmen who don't put a price on their wicket.

The last game and today he had a chance to build an innings and approach it according to the match situation.

Failed.

It's been two innings.


The issue isn't runs.

It's the brainless approach after the team were 2 down.

We need cricketers with Akkal if we want to go forward.

If we want consistent results we need to pick consistent players.

Haider will give a decent innings once in a blue moon and thats about it.

And you got that from two innings? This why we don't get proper batsman.

If Rohit was Pakistani, we would have discarded him by now.

If we want consistent results, we need to identify batsman who have the ability and anyone who has seen Haider bat, knows he does, and given them a proper long run.

Poor mans Umar Akmal.

Walking wicket.

Again talking nonsense.

Walking wicket after three international games, which include a fifty on debut, a dismissal in which he wasn't out and today's innings.

Yeah sure, walking wicket.


Maqsood past it? Third highest scorer in the National t20. More runs than the superstar Haider.

You keep riding on the Haider bandwagon.

Keep talking about talent and technique. The guy doesn't know how to play cricket.

Team was 2 down today and he is going for it. Wahab a tailender has better temperament. Atleast he played according to the situation.

Umar Akmal is better than Haider and he is average too LOL.

He misjudged the length of the ball. It happens and will happen. That is how he will learn. That is how they all learn.

No one is perfect from the first ball.

Maqsood had more runs than Haider because he played about double the matches.

And no Haider is not a leg side hack either. I don't know how anyone who has seen him bat can say that.

I have seen him but Shaheen, Naseem and others too through the covers, behind and infront of point. Drive Amir straight back down and more.
 
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Haider has shown a propensity to play one aerial shot too many

Its too early to call but i hope he doesnt go the umar akmal or afridi way

He desperately needs to play a season or two of fc and list A cricket
 
Lol. Maqsood bowling and better cricketer then haider. Haider fitness is miles better then him as well as a better fielder. Maqsood had talent but never put in hard work. Still gets worked over easily in the same manner. Plus maqsood chucks. Haider a leg side hack oh dear did you see his shots today. I am old enough to know maqsood is past it now even though I don't mind him in t20s he not going to be good enough.

People are going to question if you think maqsood is better cricketer then haider ali. I mean who won't. Haider is comfortably better then him play spin and pace anyone watching them bat together will tell you who's the better batsmen between the 2.

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Maqsood is a bottom handed shoveller and you are deeming him to be better than Haider who has ability to play all around the wicket, and is equally good with top and bottom shots.

I have followed haider right from the beginning and he comes across as a solid individual mentally.
Just looking at how well he has done in his debut tournaments and matches at both first class, psl and international level tells us how strong he is temperamentally.

And contrary to what you think, he has good game sense and knows how to play the attritional game. Just go and watch his 2 centuries in last year's quaid e azam trophy, including the one that he got in the final.

His reactions to the ball as well as his batspeed are the best that I have seen in any player for a while. Add to this, he is very good agaibst spin unlike many of our young batsmen.

The only thing that Haider needs to sort out is his weakness outside the off stump which is the result of being too open chested.
Aside from that, most of his mistakes will be a result of inexperience. He will keep on getting better the more he plays, and you need to have patience with him.

On the other hand Maqsood has had the same issues and has not improved even a smidgen in the last 5 years.
He cant even sort his balance at the wicket. his stance is too narrow and his trigger movements are not well co-ordinated which is why he falls over so easily.

Add to that, his left shoulder is too open to combat away going or angling deliveries.
Because of all these flaws, his run scoring zones are extremely enterprising and not reliable in high pressure situations.

Yes he has ability, but these technical flaws are so glaring that they will always undermine and stop him from showcasing it.

Therefore, this not even a comparison and time will prove it
 
Such wrong takes in this thread.



The approach in both games was fine and it was refreshing even. Put the bad balls away and stay ahead. We need more of this not less.

Wasn't even out in the first game.

There is no point in hanging around, letting the runrate go beyond control and then slog and get out. No one does that.



It's been two innings.




And you got that from two innings? This why we don't get proper batsman.

If Rohit was Pakistani, we would have discarded him by now.

If we want consistent results, we need to identify batsman who have the ability and anyone who has seen Haider bat, knows he does, and given them a proper long run.



Again talking nonsense.

Walking wicket after three international games, which include a fifty on debut, a dismissal in which he wasn't out and today's innings.

Yeah sure, walking wicket.




He misjudged the length of the ball. It happens and will happen. That is how he will learn. That is how they all learn.

No one is perfect from the first ball.

Maqsood had more runs than Haider because he played about double the matches.

And no Haider is not a leg side hack either. I don't know how anyone who has seen him bat can say that.

I have seen him but Shaheen, Naseem and others too through the covers, behind and infront of point. Drive Amir straight back down and more.

Yes refreshing to see another wannabe Afridi.

Will have a great average of 25 with a strike rate of 140 by the end of his career.

Talented individual. Strike rate matters more in modern cricket.

About Sohaib. I clearly said Haider makes him look better.

Doesn't change the fact that he is average too.
 
Not advocating. Just saying Sohaib and Akmal are better than Haider and they are average at best.

For me Abdullah, Saud and Haris belong in the middle order with Babar.

Imam is a good consistent opener though slow atleast puts runs on the board consistently.

No way is Maqsood better than Haider. He outscored him in recent National T20 Cup, yet we can't use that as the sole metric to judge a player. No doubt he should have been more patient today, but he is still young and these are are his first few games. Trust me he has patience, he has shown that in FC and even in the U-19 WC. His approach would work even more as an opener, which is his natural position. I just don't think you can call somebody brainless after a few failures, if this carries on for a number of games, then perhaps your comments are justified. He should be given a run and he will show his quality.
 
No way is Maqsood better than Haider. He outscored him in recent National T20 Cup, yet we can't use that as the sole metric to judge a player. No doubt he should have been more patient today, but he is still young and these are are his first few games. Trust me he has patience, he has shown that in FC and even in the U-19 WC. His approach would work even more as an opener, which is his natural position. I just don't think you can call somebody brainless after a few failures, if this carries on for a number of games, then perhaps your comments are justified. He should be given a run and he will show his quality.

Lets wait and see.

I know for certain he is another Pakistani batsmen suffering from Afridiatis.

They never learn cause it's just in their nature.
 
Make it your signature. Let's see who gets vindicated. Lol

Not about vindication. I hope I am proven wrong for the good of Pakistan cricket.

But unfortunately his approach whenever I see him bats just shows me he is another Afridi, Umar Akmal in the making.

Atleast Afridi could bowl. His batting was a bonus. Which is why he stayed in the team.

Akmal gone.

Haider? Lets see.
 
Its interesting seeing the reaction of posters to Haider.

We have quite a few batsman who look to be decent / relatable but play at a similar strike rate in Babar, Imam, Haris, Rizwan and potentially Abdullah Shafiq.

The fact that someone like Haider has added this armoury of shots to his game and become such a brilliant striker makes him invaluable to the side.

The fact that everyone is writing him off after two innings, one of which he wasn’t even out in, is ridiculous. Shaheen and Babar are our two stars for the next decade, but Haider and Naseem Shah are our X factor players who will win us games out of nowhere.
 
How brainless do you have to be to start comparing a 19 year old kid who has only played 3 International matches to Umar Akmal, Maqsood and Afridi. Get a grip.
 
Apart from batting intelligence (which is not that bright to be honest), there are three alarming deficiencies in Haider's batting. Unless he improves considerably in this three aspects, he won't advance more than a T20 star, that too in bilaterals.

1. Value for own wicket - that's batsman's first instinct. I am not saying one should be selfish, but batsman gets only one chance in an innings, unless he puts a price tag on own wicket and reduce gifting wickets, he won't ever be consistent.

2. Horrible shuffling across the wicket - that's the first sign of leg swinger. Cricket is a side on game and his open stance technique will be exposed against anything that leaves the ball - in between, whenever bowler straightens it on target or brings back, he is a sitting duck. I believe he was a bit unlucky in second game - but, be sure that this'll not be his first. The way he comes across the wicket sometimes even before releasing the ball, most umpires will give 50-50 calls in favor of bowlers, and sometimes 20-80 calls as well.

3. For a top order, he plays too much on air - that's the first sign of bottom hand butchers, his bottom had becomes prominent for drives. He'll struggle to drive against flighted spin and close to body out-swingers.

It sounds too critical, but even considering his age and experience, guy has got enough hype - somewhere it needs to be balanced, otherwise he'll fly up in sky with the amount of gas PP is putting in his talent.
 
How brainless do you have to be to start comparing a 19 year old kid who has only played 3 International matches to Umar Akmal, Maqsood and Afridi. Get a grip.

The same thing was said about Afridi, Umar & Maqsood (add Nazir as well), on their 3rd game as well and bar Maqsood, others were not even 19 then - it didn't change though after 5-10-15, even 20 years later.
 
How brainless do you have to be to start comparing a 19 year old kid who has only played 3 International matches to Umar Akmal, Maqsood and Afridi. Get a grip.

How did their careers turn out?

All failures with the bat.

Lets not forget Umar and Afridi had great starts in their first 3 games.

Yet we all knew where they will end up.

To succeed in International cricket you need brains/temperament.

No brainless cricketer will succeed no matter how much talent they have.

Unfortunately its not something you can learn. You either have or not. No coach can grow you a brain.

Haider is on the same path.
 
The same thing was said about Afridi, Umar & Maqsood (add Nazir as well), on their 3rd game as well and bar Maqsood, others were not even 19 then - it didn't change though after 5-10-15, even 20 years later.

Exactly.

We have these types of players before. All failures.

They never learn cause it's in their nature.
 
Dont be hurt.
I loved Sehwag during his playing days; one of the best test batsmen ever in Asia; and a goat player of spin.
Perhaps i was harsh by calling him a low standard role model for a talented young batsman.
But he had his weaknesses which i dont really need to extrapolate on, and this is why i dont want Haider to emulate him.
Moving on to Roy, the guy cant get runs against the moving ball to save his life. He is just a limited overs FTB, who has optimized his potential due to sheer hard work and the backing of a great system.

There are better role models for Haider out there, given his ability.

Bhai mere, get off your high horse.
Jason Roy is a ftb but that's why he plays lois only and in that format he is as valuable as anyone. Actually jason roy is easily better than any other opener pak ever had in odis except anwar.
If haider turns out to be as good as jason roy pakistan will be blessed.

I don't really want to debate on your thoughts about sehwag but i"ll just say that he is better than any pakistani opener ever and that alone should be enough.
 
Hopefully Haider can prove me wrong but I just don't see why is he hyped so much. He is quality against spin
 
And for those comparing him to Umar Akmal what exactly it is your point?

Umar was the most talented player to debut for us in the last two decades. As a teenager to play the innings in he did in his first few ODIs is insane. And then his debut Test in difficult New Zealand conditions against a rampaging Bond. He deserved all the hype and more

However his attitude / behaviour sucked and he was also poorly handled somewhat.

However does that mean we should never be excited about a young talent because if he’s a batsman he could turn out like Umar or if he’s a bowler he could become an Amir?
 
Apart from batting intelligence (which is not that bright to be honest), there are three alarming deficiencies in Haider's batting. Unless he improves considerably in this three aspects, he won't advance more than a T20 star, that too in bilaterals.

1. Value for own wicket - that's batsman's first instinct. I am not saying one should be selfish, but batsman gets only one chance in an innings, unless he puts a price tag on own wicket and reduce gifting wickets, he won't ever be consistent.

2. Horrible shuffling across the wicket - that's the first sign of leg swinger. Cricket is a side on game and his open stance technique will be exposed against anything that leaves the ball - in between, whenever bowler straightens it on target or brings back, he is a sitting duck. I believe he was a bit unlucky in second game - but, be sure that this'll not be his first. The way he comes across the wicket sometimes even before releasing the ball, most umpires will give 50-50 calls in favor of bowlers, and sometimes 20-80 calls as well.

3. For a top order, he plays too much on air - that's the first sign of bottom hand butchers, his bottom had becomes prominent for drives. He'll struggle to drive against flighted spin and close to body out-swingers.

It sounds too critical, but even considering his age and experience, guy has got enough hype - somewhere it needs to be balanced, otherwise he'll fly up in sky with the amount of gas PP is putting in his talent.

Just look at how Amir got him out, it wasnt the ball, it was his technique.

He's got good shot making ability, but is severely overrated rn
 
He has some areas to work on if he is to be the star that we hope he will, but for that to happen he needs to spend some quality time with a good batting coach.

My concern is that he becomes another white-ball slogger who doesn't value his wicket.

He can play some great shots, but there has to be a greater price put on his wicket.
 
He needs to learn from.Babz.
Babz was same when starting shuffling accross ..but you need to keep ur head straight and play straight
 
Apart from batting intelligence (which is not that bright to be honest), there are three alarming deficiencies in Haider's batting. Unless he improves considerably in this three aspects, he won't advance more than a T20 star, that too in bilaterals.

1. Value for own wicket - that's batsman's first instinct. I am not saying one should be selfish, but batsman gets only one chance in an innings, unless he puts a price tag on own wicket and reduce gifting wickets, he won't ever be consistent.

2. Horrible shuffling across the wicket - that's the first sign of leg swinger. Cricket is a side on game and his open stance technique will be exposed against anything that leaves the ball - in between, whenever bowler straightens it on target or brings back, he is a sitting duck. I believe he was a bit unlucky in second game - but, be sure that this'll not be his first. The way he comes across the wicket sometimes even before releasing the ball, most umpires will give 50-50 calls in favor of bowlers, and sometimes 20-80 calls as well.

3. For a top order, he plays too much on air - that's the first sign of bottom hand butchers, his bottom had becomes prominent for drives. He'll struggle to drive against flighted spin and close to body out-swingers.

It sounds too critical, but even considering his age and experience, guy has got enough hype - somewhere it needs to be balanced, otherwise he'll fly up in sky with the amount of gas PP is putting in his talent.

There is only one problem, and that is his inclination to open up and not stay side on, which is easily rectifiable when identified.
The rest is just some lazy and overwrought analysis which has become your style these days because had you followed his rise last year from under 19 cricket and seen him play in first class cricket, you would have not said all of this.
 
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There is only one problem, and that is his inclination to open up and not stay side on, which is easily rectifiable when identified.
The rest is just some lazy and overwrought analysis which has become your style these days because had you followed his rise last year from under 19 cricket and seen him play in first class cricket, you would have not said all of this.

Bro thanks for putting in the effort to defend Haider. He has so much time to play the ball and that alone is indicative of being given an extended 20 game run with the national side.

Most on this thread have come here just to write him off, but there are those who know that such comments are silly and refuse to even entertain them - have solace knowing we appreciate your posts.
 
Haider has the talent and the ability to be a match winner. Plus he is a fearless cricketer hence you will see brain fades on and off. But he is the type of player who can win you games single-handedly. For that you need to decide his position in Odis. Either he should open and play fearless cricket from the word go or he should bat at No.5.
Right now he is batting at No. 4 which requires setting up an innings often and taking on the opposition later. You need players who stick around. Right now Rizwan should play at No. 4 and see if Rizwan performs at that position. Haider should come at No.5 to finish games and play aggressive cricket in situations where asking rate is high. These number switches between Rizwan and Haider will help both and if both perform then a good middle order of Babar, Rizwan and Haider will be set up followed by lower order hitting batsmen like Khusdil, Shadab and Imad. If somehow the team management tries this it might work well
 
There is only one problem, and that is his inclination to open up and not stay side on, which is easily rectifiable when identified.
The rest is just some lazy and overwrought analysis which has become your style these days because had you followed his rise last year from under 19 cricket and seen him play in first class cricket, you would have not said all of this.

Have to say, quite a stiff rise indeed - hope he keeps the rate up.
 
No one knows for sure. This uncertainty is mainly because of fast tracking youngsters into the national team. New players must play at least 15 domestic games (every format) before being considered for selection as it will give the selectors and us a clue about any player's strongest and weakest formats.
 
Bro thanks for putting in the effort to defend Haider. He has so much time to play the ball and that alone is indicative of being given an extended 20 game run with the national side.

Most on this thread have come here just to write him off, but there are those who know that such comments are silly and refuse to even entertain them - have solace knowing we appreciate your posts.

Much appreciated brother.
I shudder to think how foolish this lot is going to look when they have to change their tone in the future.
 
I was impressed with Haider the first time I saw him because of his fast hands and his ball sense. These qualities are natural and cannot be taught.

His technique is extremely raw and is not repeatable yet. He is purely playing on instincts so far which shows that he has considerable natural ability.

He is one of those players who can do wonders with proper coaching and extensive practice but can easily fade away if he is in the wrong hands and does not practice enough.
 
I was impressed with Haider the first time I saw him because of his fast hands and his ball sense. These qualities are natural and cannot be taught.

His technique is extremely raw and is not repeatable yet. He is purely playing on instincts so far which shows that he has considerable natural ability.

He is one of those players who can do wonders with proper coaching and extensive practice but can easily fade away if he is in the wrong hands and does not practice enough.

I read, Zaheer Abbas was very similar to this - stunning driver, brilliant timer of the ball and elegant with lots of time to play shots. He went to Australia in 1971 (for Sobers’s World XI) and played all five games - his highest was 87, only innings over 50; but that’s described as the best innings below hundred in that series.

It was Gloucestershire that changed his philosophy in batting and he became one of the greatest ever big hundred specialists.
 
I was impressed with Haider the first time I saw him because of his fast hands and his ball sense. These qualities are natural and cannot be taught.

His technique is extremely raw and is not repeatable yet. He is purely playing on instincts so far which shows that he has considerable natural ability.

He is one of those players who can do wonders with proper coaching and extensive practice but can easily fade away if he is in the wrong hands and does not practice enough.

I have said this before as well that your analysis on batting is good because you understand this art and its stages of development.

Indeed what you said is accurate. I have said the same in countless other threads that his technique hasn't matured yet and he is still racking up runs due to:
1: his instincts as you pointed out.
His reactions are the quickest i have seen in any batsman in a long while.

2: his great temperament, due to which he has not looked fazed in all the new playing environments he has been exposed to in the last year and a half.
He also seems to have a stable head on his shoulders and many people report that he has a great desire to learn.

I really hope he fine-tunes his method under yousuf because he is pretty particular about technique and will most likely pay a lot of attention to this area of his game which is the only one that is lacking at the moment.
 
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I expect Haider to be the mainstay of the team alongside babar the next 5 years I think he will play some breathtaking innings but he will most likely be around the 40s but have a very impressive strike rate.if we ain't going to play fakhar then haider should play at the top alongside either imaam or abdullah.no need to change his technique massively like people who have stated in this thread.
 
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Haider will be fine. Our batting is weak and its a chance to let the lad play. He is a bit frantic at times but with time he will develop and understand that quick 20s and 30s don't win games. He just needs to watch Babar bat.
 
A reminder that Haider Ali hit two FC hundreds in his debut season last year, so he does know how to play long innings and adjust his game according to the format…

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Haider is a bonafide legside hack.

Why do you guys questions a person knowledge simply because they don’t agree with you?

How old are you?

Are you sure you watched his innings today?

First ball was a backfoot push for four to cover. A couple balls later, he hit a cover drive for four.

These are not the typical traits of a leg-side hack :inti
 
One bad match and the wrist-slitters are here.

Fgs, give the youngsters time to develop and learn.
 
Are you sure you watched his innings today?

First ball was a backfoot push for four to cover. A couple balls later, he hit a cover drive for four.

These are not the typical traits of a leg-side hack :inti

90% of his shots are legside.

He is a legside hack.
 
Haider will be fine. I'm particularly excited about the fact that he comes in and immediately lets the bowler know that any half-bad delivery will be dispatched to the boundary, and with some flair. If a batsman has that, he's a matchwinner, period.

This is the kind of batsman we were desperate for and here we have people comparing him to Afridi and calling him a leg-side hack.
 
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People are emotional about Haider Ali

If he is quality then it is good for Pakistan. Hype doesn’t matter, he has to perform. Lets give him some time and games.
 
Yes he will be fine....just need to spend some time in middle...he has very high ceiling....
 
90% of his shots are legside.

He is a legside hack.

Oh my goodness...he has many backfoot drives plus front foot drives through covers.....albeit his leg side game is strong.....can hit straight too.....need to just calm the nerves and spent some time in middle.....
 
People are emotional about Haider Ali

If he is quality then it is good for Pakistan. Hype doesn’t matter, he has to perform. Lets give him some time and games.

No one is getting emotional. The only ones are the haters. No one knows what future holds if anyone was getting emotional they wouldn't be saying he played a bad shot. Some people are calling him umer Akmal after 2 games which is not on.
 
Haider will be fine. I'm particularly excited about the fact that he comes in and immediately lets the bowler know that any half-bad delivery will be dispatched to the boundary, and with some flair. If a batsman has that, he's a matchwinner, period.

This is the kind of batsman we were desperate for and here we have people comparing him to Afridi and calling him a leg-side hack.

Haters will only call him a leg side hack let them keep hating :)
 
No way is Maqsood better than Haider. He outscored him in recent National T20 Cup, yet we can't use that as the sole metric to judge a player. No doubt he should have been more patient today, but he is still young and these are are his first few games. Trust me he has patience, he has shown that in FC and even in the U-19 WC. His approach would work even more as an opener, which is his natural position. I just don't think you can call somebody brainless after a few failures, if this carries on for a number of games, then perhaps your comments are justified. He should be given a run and he will show his quality.

No point responding to stupidity
 
Haider Ali should be backed to start in ODI cricket at 5

If not in the top order, give him a long rope at number 5.
Can hit big, can consolidate also as he has the game.
That is where mostly young players start before moving up the order.
Not sure why this is not happening ? Misbah and Babar should go for this option.
 
No. Play him further up the order or risk him becoming the second Umar Ajmal

I don’t know why we’re obsessed with ‘power hitters’
 
If not in the top order, give him a long rope at number 5.
Can hit big, can consolidate also as he has the game.
That is where mostly young players start before moving up the order.
Not sure why this is not happening ? Misbah and Babar should go for this option.

I agree he should bat at 5 then after 1 or 2 years bring him up the order.
 
If not in the top order, give him a long rope at number 5.
Can hit big, can consolidate also as he has the game.
That is where mostly young players start before moving up the order.
Not sure why this is not happening ? Misbah and Babar should go for this option.

Agree. But hey, Asif Ali you know?
 
He has to start from the middle order, and needs to understand and learn how to construct an innings. I'd even push him up to 4 given that Rizwan is not having such a great series with the bat either.
 
Finding a place as an opener will not be easy for him but ideally he should be playing at 4 for us.
When one of Fakhar and Imam will go because of bad form or something else I want Abdullah Shafique to be given a go.
 
Should either open or bat number 4. The next two years is ideal time to groom him in ODI team before the world cup.
 
He's young and good enough to play for Pakistan in ODI. You would take him over Asif, Ifti, Khushdil and Talat.
 
I think he should bat 5 but depending on the situation he could bat up the order.
 
With hindsight Haider should've batted at 5 from the start of his international career so you've four senior batsmen ahead of him taking the pressure off the youngster.

Over time he'd move up. Instead we played him in the top order when he's still learning his game and despite little domestic experience.

There's a narrative that he struggles against spin after his failures vs Shamsi in Pakistan, but Haider has never been dismissed by spin in the PSL. And there aren't many left arm wrist spinners around anyway.
 
With hindsight Haider should've batted at 5 from the start of his international career so you've four senior batsmen ahead of him taking the pressure off the youngster.

Over time he'd move up. Instead we played him in the top order when he's still learning his game and despite little domestic experience.

There's a narrative that he struggles against spin after his failures vs Shamsi in Pakistan, but Haider has never been dismissed by spin in the PSL. And there aren't many left arm wrist spinners around anyway.

Yeah I was surprised to see a few comments saying he struggles against spin.

In PSL, he always looked comfortable and whilst I don't have the stats, his SR must be higher vs spin.
 
Needs to be played tomorrow - let's try him out now. He cannot do worse than Asif Ali for sure.
 
Good enough for 5....not below that....that will ruin him.....also playing first class would improve his game
 
He should bat in top 4 and try to bat for as long as possible at whichever level he plays. Only way he's going to learn the trade. Dig in man do not go for slogs
 
We'll only find out if and when he is given a chance - only 2 ODIs so far in his career and he misses out on selection today against South Africa in the 3rd ODI.
 
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Imagine if Babar played under Misbah, and not Mickey. He would have dropped him and never make him play. because Misbah hates youngsters! I am so infuriated, that we are not developing guys like Haider, but we are more interested in developing tullers like Iftikhar Khushdil and Asif... FGS!
 
Its unfair on Haider to be sitting out for all 3 games while Asif, Danish and now Sarfraz found game time.
 
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