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Will India and Pakistan go to war over the Pahalgam incident?

Will India and Pakistan go to war over the Pahalgam incident?

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straighttalk said:
How is this war...we attacked terrorist camps which do not exist per info minister in sky news...lmao .hit some terror camps in India..you guys say HINDUVTA terror camps...hit them ...
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Pakistan has, in Kashmir, the Indian military institution.
 
India is waiting for a retaliation. Modi Ji and RSS's unwritten manifesto will finally be in action.
 
Bhutto was visionary and Abdul Qadeer Khan was most patriotic Pakistani. Without nukes, these blood thirsty Hindutvas would be uncontrollable.
 
Details of Indian attacks

  • Ahmedpur East, Masjid Subhanullah — 13 martyred | two 3-year-old girls, seven women, four men. 37 injured | nine women, 28 men.
  • Muzaffarabad, Masjid Bilal — 3 martyred. One girl and one boy injured
  • Kotli, Masjid Abbas — 16-year-old girl, 18-year-old boy martyred. One mother and her child injured
  • Muridke, Masjid Ummul Qura — 3 men martyred. One injured
  • Sialkot — No damages reported
  • Shakargarh — No damages were reported, one dispensary damaged
  • Attack damages Noseri Dam at Pakistan's Neelum-Jhelum Hydro Power Project
 
Tera Gawaandi said:
Bhutto was visionary and Abdul Qadeer Khan was most patriotic Pakistani. Without nukes, these blood thirsty Hindutvas would be uncontrollable.
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The RSS ideology practically demands war with Muslims unless they bow to Hindus and accept submissive status. I am not sure what this has to do with Hindu religion, but that is what their people have adopted. With this understanding, any Muslim country which they see as part of Akhand Bharat is an enemy unless it accepts Hindu sovereignty. The only reason BJP don't want the destruction of Pakistan is because it would revive Afghan raids on Indian territory.
 
Will Pakistan and Pakistanis boycott Indian products and services and vice versa?

Lot of Indian products are imported via the Mideast in to Pakistan and there is exception for direct import of medicines. will patriotic Pakistani's stand up and boycott Indian products, stop visiting India for medical treatment?
 
rpant_gabba said:
Will Pakistan and Pakistanis boycott Indian products and services and vice versa?

Lot of Indian products are imported via the Mideast in to Pakistan and there is exception for direct import of medicines. will patriotic Pakistani's stand up and boycott Indian products, stop visiting India for medical treatment?
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Will Indians boycott Pakistani forums?
 
rpant_gabba said:
Will Pakistan and Pakistanis boycott Indian products and services and vice versa?

Lot of Indian products are imported via the Mideast in to Pakistan and there is exception for direct import of medicines. will patriotic Pakistani's stand up and boycott Indian products, stop visiting India for medical treatment?
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boycotts are a proxy confrontational method, india has escalated this to an open conflict, so why bother with boycotts that won't have any immediate short-term effect anyway.
 
DeadlyVenom said:
Will Indians boycott Pakistani forums?
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what advantage would it give? Participation doesn't materially contribute to Pak well being or harm India in anyway. It gives a pulse of a segment of Pak population is thinking.

Boycotting Indian products would harm Indian economy which is what enables India's actions.

I've stated previously that India should deny Pak any advantage from its efforts, including denying medicines or medical visas.

So, will Pakistan continue to enrich the dushman mulk economy?
 
ElRaja said:
boycotts are a proxy confrontational method, india has escalated this to an open conflict, so why bother with boycotts that won't have any immediate short-term effect anyway.
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Pak has been trying to play the long game and failed miserably at it, mainly due to the economic disparity. why not try to limit India's economy by boycotting it?
 
DeadlyVenom said:
Will Indians boycott Pakistani forums?
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He's called for the poisoning of Pakistani rivers, disabling of Pakistani patients under Indian medical supervision through deliberate negligence amongst other things (post is deleted now).

But boycotting a Pakistani forum is a stretch too far !
 
rpant_gabba said:
what advantage would it give? Participation doesn't materially contribute to Pak well being or harm India in anyway. It gives a pulse of a segment of Pak population is thinking.

Boycotting Indian products would harm Indian economy which is what enables India's actions.

I've stated previously that India should deny Pak any advantage from its efforts, including denying medicines or medical visas.

So, will Pakistan continue to enrich the dushman mulk economy?
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You were saying it was a patriotic duty before now you are saying it's economic reasons not patriotic reasons :kp

Naughty naughty
 
rpant_gabba said:
Will Pakistan and Pakistanis boycott Indian products and services and vice versa?

Lot of Indian products are imported via the Mideast in to Pakistan and there is exception for direct import of medicines. will patriotic Pakistani's stand up and boycott Indian products, stop visiting India for medical treatment?
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Can you stop visiting this forum just to show off how it's done? :inti
 
rpant_gabba said:
Pak has been trying to play the long game and failed miserably at it, mainly due to the economic disparity. why not try to limit India's economy by boycotting it?
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yes pakistani is an economic basket case, indians need to realise the more you reiterate this, the weaker you look for firing cruise missiles at non military targets.
 
DeadlyVenom said:
You were saying it was a patriotic duty before now you are saying it's economic reasons not patriotic reasons :kp

Naughty naughty
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I didn't think I had to spell it out for you, but, it is what it is.

It would be patriotic on the Pak citizens part to limit dushman mulks economy by boycotiing his/its products
 
rpant_gabba said:
I didn't think I had to spell it out for you, but, it is what it is.

It would be patriotic on the Pak citizens part to limit dushman mulks economy by boycotiing his/its products
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You want Pakistani awaam to boycott taking medicines from India as patriotic duty :kp
 
ElRaja said:
yes pakistani is an economic basket case, indians need to realise the more you reiterate this, the weaker you look for firing cruise missiles at non military targets.
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I've spelled out my preferred approach before.

you are still not addressing why Pak supports indian economy by using so much Indian manufactured products, which strengthens Indian economy further.
 
DeadlyVenom said:
You want Pakistani awaam to boycott taking medicines from India as patriotic duty :kp
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Yeah. I'm sure Iron brother will be able to provide adequate replacements.

who knows what will be in the next batch of medicines form India? All it take is coordination between handful of people to cook up a special batch.
 
rpant_gabba said:
Yeah. I'm sure Iron brother will be able to provide adequate replacements.

who knows what will be in the next batch of medicines form India? All it take is coordination between handful of people to cook up a special batch.
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Based on your posts and logic I think you have taken some special batches of something recently :asif
 
rpant_gabba said:
I've spelled out my preferred approach before.

you are still not addressing why Pak supports indian economy by using so much Indian manufactured products, which strengthens Indian economy further.
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why, what benefit does it have to Pakistan? pakistanis, contrary to indian opinions, are no where near as obsessed with trying to damage india as vice versa, the indian hatred of pakistanis is far deeper entrenched than vice versa.
 
ElRaja said:
why, what benefit does it have to Pakistan? pakistanis, contrary to indian opinions, are no where near as obsessed with trying to damage india as vice versa, the indian hatred of pakistanis is far deeper entrenched than vice versa.
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Sure. moon is made of green cheese.
 
Modi is an absolute loon ball - his venomous hate for Muslims is bringing the sub continent to the brink. Not content with butchering his own citizens, he's now trying to project his hate outside Indian borders.

The cretinous loon needs to be stopped!
 
ElRaja said:
yes pakistani is an economic basket case, indians need to realise the more you reiterate this, the weaker you look for firing cruise missiles at non military targets.
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This is something which I am not seeing discussed here as much as it should be. Pakistan has so far limited it's retaliation to cross border strikes across Kashmir. But India has been hitting Punjab as well with strikes on Bahawalpur and Rawalpindi. This is a serious escalation, and Pakistan should be hitting areas like Gujarat in India, or Bangalore if they have the reach. Hit them where it hurts, don't just fire on Kashmir which is suffering too much already.
 
Cpt. Rishwat said:
This is something which I am not seeing discussed here as much as it should be. Pakistan has so far limited it's retaliation to cross border strikes across Kashmir. But India has been hitting Punjab as well with strikes on Bahawalpur and Rawalpindi. This is a serious escalation, and Pakistan should be hitting areas like Gujarat in India, or Bangalore if they have the reach. Hit them where it hurts, don't just fire on Kashmir which is suffering too much already.
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Yeahh..lets try.
 
“How China helped Pakistan shoot down Indian fighter jets”
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How China helped Pakistan shoot down Indian fighter jets

The apparent involvement of Chinese aircraft in shooting down a Western-made Rafale has ricocheted through defence circles
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At 4:00 a.m., something extraordinary happened—not on the battlefield, but in the diplomatic shadows. China’s ambassador to Pakistan reportedly made an urgent call to Rawalpindi. Within hours, a long-prepared contingency went live. What followed wasn’t just an air skirmish—it was a revelation that shattered the myth of India’s air dominance.

The Indian Air Force had been assembling for days—nearly 180 aircraft concentrated on the western front. The goal was clear: repeat Balakot, break Pakistani defenses, and restore the image of strategic supremacy.

But the skies were no longer the same.

Why They Stayed 300 km Away

The Indian Air Force never crossed the threshold. They knew what waited for them beyond it:

Chinese J-10C fighters, sleek and silent
PL-15 missiles, Mach 5 hunters with over 300 km range
Erieye radars, linking every shooter into a single deadly nervous system
What India saw was not just Pakistani pilots—it was China’s entire air warfare doctrine stretching from Skardu to Pasni.

And the Rafales? They never saw it coming.

One Rafale—valued at over $250 million—was reportedly shot down mid-air. Another barely made it back. The Spectra EW system, designed to protect it, was overwhelmed. The PL-15 didn’t come with radar—it came with AI-guided silence.

This wasn’t a dogfight. It was an ambush.

The Pakistani Air Force, aided by Chinese targeting satellites and AWACS, executed a sensor-fusion kill. The Rafales never got a lock, never even saw their adversary. When the missiles hit, it was already over.

And India knew: if one Rafale can fall, so can five.
That’s why the fleet was grounded.
That’s why they stay 300 km away from the border.
Not because they lack courage—but because they now lack certainty.

Strategic Embarrassment

The implications are enormous. India’s prestige weapon, the Rafale, fell to a Chinese missile fired by a Pakistani jet. That’s not just a tactical failure—it’s a geopolitical message.

Even Bloomberg wrote it: this is a live demonstration of Chinese-Pakistani integrated warfare.
Western analysts are stunned. French defense contracts are rattled.
China, meanwhile, is watching quietly… and smiling.

The Game Has Changed

This isn’t 2019. This isn’t Balakot.

India now knows that any venture into Pakistani airspace invites a death trap orchestrated by J-10Cs, PL-15s, and Pakistani resolve.

So they stay back.
Grounded by fear.
Blinded by radar.
And humiliated by silence.

“The Indian pilot didn’t fail from lack of skill.
He failed inside a battlefield he couldn’t see—
built by satellites, linked by sensors, and executed by machines.”

In May 2025, the game changed. India’s long-nurtured dream of aerial supremacy—anchored in the purchase of 36 Rafale jets, backed by the mythical Spectra EW suite and decades of French engineering—came crashing down over Kashmir.

It wasn’t a dogfight.
It wasn’t even a fair fight.

It was a doctrinal collapse, witnessed in real time by every military strategist across the globe.

The #Rafale was supposed to be untouchable. Its technology, unmatched. Its pilots, elite. But on that fateful day, it flew into a kill box it never saw. And never escaped.

The Lethal Kill Chain

China quietly stepped in—not in the way most Western analysts imagined.
There were no J-20s or war declarations.
There was a box. A network. A silent chain of observation and execution:

Saab Erieye AWACS patrolling silently
J-10C fighters flying in passive mode
PL-15E missiles—the export PL-15E, the domestic variant with over 300 km reach and Mach 5 speed—locked in and fired
The Rafale didn’t even know it was targeted until the missile was 50 km away.

At that speed, the Indian pilot had 9 seconds.
Not enough to react.
Not enough to survive.

Why the IAF Is Grounded

You don’t see the Indian Air Force over Kashmir anymore.

Why?

Because every time a fighter lifts off, Pakistani radars pick it up.
Because the Erieye sees what Indian radars can’t.
Because the PL-15 launches from outside Rafale’s threat envelope.
Because the Rafale, once India’s silver bullet, has been turned into a $250 million sitting duck.

The IAF now flies 300 km behind its own borders.
Balakot 2.0? It will not happen. Not in this sky.

A Doctrinal Humbling

The world is watching the fallout.

Dassault Aviation’s share price remains stagnant.
Chinese defense stocks—AVIC, ALD Chengdu—are surging.

Because the battlefield was not decided in a dogfight.
It was decided by C4ISR supremacy—Command, Control, Communication, Computers, Intelligence, Surveillance, and Reconnaissance.

Pakistan did not outgun India.
It out-networked it.

And India, stunned, grounded its birds.

India’s Pain, Pakistan’s Message

India invested in platforms. Pakistan invested in kill chains.

Modi’s doctrine was: buy dominance.
Reality proved: you must build dominance.

No Spectra system can counter a missile it never detects.
No EW suite can spoof a missile fed by satellite data.
No fighter jet can outrun the death it doesn’t see coming.

The sky has changed.

This is not the end of air combat.
It is the beginning of silent, invisible, unanswerable air dominance.
 
Gallup survey: 93% Pakistanis commit to defend homeland til the last drop of blood

In a recent Gallup Pakistan survey, the studies revealed that 93% of Pakistanis have expressed their will to fight, and are ready to give their last drop of blood to defend their homeland if required.

The survey was conducted on account of India-Pakistan tensions, after an affirmed Indian attack in Pakistan’s territory on May 7.

Despite the escalated dispute, 72% of respondents supported peace, relating war as destructive and encouraging action to stop further escalation.

While 27% of respondents stated their support for the armed forces, supporting a powerful counterattack to Indian aggression if it is repeated.


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Gallup survey: 93% Pakistanis commit to defend homeland til the last drop of blood

KARACHI: In a recent Gallup Pakistan survey, the studies revealed that 93% of Pakistanis have expressed their will to fight, and are ready to give their
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My theory is India is on the edge anticipating a retaliation for May 7th attacks.

Cross border shelling or downing Indians jets in not retaliation, it was defense.

That's why Indian media keeps running fake war news so war hysteria can trend online and puts International pressure on Pakistan to deescalate.

Modi fully knows if and when Pakistan finally retaliates, there will immense pressure on him to escalate further thus leading to a full scaled war.
 
Tera Gawaandi said:
My theory is India is on the edge anticipating a retaliation for May 7th attacks.

Cross border shelling or downing Indians jets in not retaliation, it was defense.

That's why Indian media keeps running fake war news so war hysteria can trend online and puts International pressure on Pakistan to deescalate.

Modi fully knows if and when Pakistan finally retaliates, there will immense pressure on him to escalate further thus leading to a full scaled war.
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This.

If India waited 2 whole weeks to take action, Pak will take its sweet time too but in that period Modi will do whatever he can that they are forced not to.
 
Greenstorm said:
Crazy thing is that Pakistan media is not even reporting it.
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Smart work

Pakistan playing a beautiful game of neutralising India’s information outlets.

You can basically do whatever you want to India now.
 
also an observation, which ive never seen before is interacting with arabs, a few Iraqis, a few egyptians, and lebanese, all seemed really proud of how the PAF performed, ive never seen arabs praise Pakistanis for anything. one guy who works for an indian restaurant in hushed tones was like "brother, if i could i would want to fight against india with your pilots too," joking "where do i sign up brother".
 
ElRaja said:
is ironclad a reputable source, they seem to post a lot of pro Pakistan stuff. i dont want us to become like indian side, celebrating falsehoods, we need multiple confirmations to know whats happening for sure imo.
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From what I have worked out,

The news is initially broken out by Indian journalists. They make a lot of noise about air space being violated, and how their air defence system is working, with 100% defence record (lol). Then slowly those journalists/outlets start naming more cities/locations under attack….but the defence system everywhere is 100% still.

Then these little videos start circulating, of ground hits and hospitals. People injured etc. At the same time, the journalists/outlets keep denying casualties or injuries, the defence system’s 100% record is in tact according to them.

Then around this time you will get Ironclad to give you an update. Like this one above.

Now it’s up to you to decide who is more credible? Ironclad or Indian sources and their 100% defence system?
 
ElRaja said:
is ironclad a reputable source, they seem to post a lot of pro Pakistan stuff. i dont want us to become like indian side, celebrating falsehoods, we need multiple confirmations to know whats happening for sure imo.
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Most news on twitter is fake, except for a handful of people who are only posting verified info. Problem is that it takes time to verify information in the fog of war. So the vacuum is filled by paid blue ticks who just want engagement and give both sides the info they want to hear.

In India even the mainstream media is putting out false info without any journalistic integrity
 
Greenstorm said:
Josh from junagadh giving his 'honest' analysis.
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LOL do you really believe this foolish statement that India attacking its own cities with ballistics missiles. ISPR cannot avoid Indian reaction back with ballistics missiles with this statement
 
Hi guys.

I’m been spending my time off in Rawalpindi for the past few weeks. Was going to depart 2 days ago back to London but flight got cancelled.

I just woke up and heard 2 major sounds of blasts. Cannot confirm if it was a drone strike or air missile. But the blasts were very loud and woke us up.

The areas targeted are purely civilian areas and one military camp area.
 
India shooting it’s own helicopters

India launching missiles in its own part of Punjab

Nothing out of the blue for these guys
 
Indian airbases in Jammu, Srinagar, Pathankot etc have been under attack and it looks like they have finally managed to attack an airbase in Islamabad.
 
Theo_14 said:
Hi guys.

I’m been spending my time off in Rawalpindi for the past few weeks. Was going to depart 2 days ago back to London but flight got cancelled.

I just woke up and heard 2 major sounds of blasts. Cannot confirm if it was a drone strike or air missile. But the blasts were very loud and woke us up.

The areas targeted are purely civilian areas and one military camp area.
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Stay safe bro . Keep us updated
 
KingKhanWC said:
Looks like a missile not a drone. Let's pray this is not true, once missiles start flying you cannot know if there is a nuclear warhead or not . If true pak will now deploy its nukes . A big escalation
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Apparently 2 Indian ballistic missiles hit the base.
 
Theo_14 said:
Hi guys.

I’m been spending my time off in Rawalpindi for the past few weeks. Was going to depart 2 days ago back to London but flight got cancelled.

I just woke up and heard 2 major sounds of blasts. Cannot confirm if it was a drone strike or air missile. But the blasts were very loud and woke us up.

The areas targeted are purely civilian areas and one military camp area.
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Stay safe man. Prayers for all civilians. Need to stop this aggression asap
 
90MPH said:
Apparently 2 Indian ballistic missiles hit th
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I'd wait , this is not on mainstream media and would be immediately. Also unlikely a jet would fly over alone and accomplish this . Blast noise may be heard in various cities across both nations. If real wll know very shortly
 
KingKhanWC said:
Stay safe bro . Keep us updated
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Thanks bro, remember us in your prayers.

As per official and locals the source of attack was missile. However, I would wait for more information in a couple of hours. Nurkhan run way has been affected and one of my cousins friends’ confirms his area has been affected with walls of houses on fire.

Either way, you can say tension has now become very serious. I have a rebooked flight for 16th May, I seem slim hope of airspace opening by then. Praying situation is deescalated.
 
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