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We all know this is their goal: have India 100% non-muslim population.

But is it possible to implement this wish? India has significantly large muslim population around 200 million; thats almost same as muslims in Pakistan or Bangladesh. Thats too many and neighbouring countries would not be able to take so many refugees if India expelled them.

So how can they be removed all together from India? This wish looks like a pipe dream to me.
 
You cannot remove 180 million people from any country no matter what methods you use.

Why do you think Indian Government will kick out Muslims from India? These riots you see are just a smoke screen to hide the shortcomings of the Government. They want people to think about something else and not concentrate on economy and other pressing issues. Its a tried and tested method to divert peoples attention.
 
No Indian Muslims are as important in nation building as any other community. Sure there is a risk of the lower strata of this community being radicalized and taken advantage of by politicians and religious leaders for their own power play but doesn’t mean we ignore the contributions of the real sons of the soil.

So no. In fact this isn’t even the ideology of the most so called hardcore Hindutva group.

So not sure why the op has to even think like this? I hope this is not the kind of information people are getting to rile up their emotions. This is a dangerous trend
 
srh said:
We all know this is their goal: have India 100% non-muslim population.

But is it possible to implement this wish? India has significantly large muslim population around 200 million; thats almost same as muslims in Pakistan or Bangladesh. Thats too many and neighbouring countries would not be able to take so many refugees if India expelled them.

So how can they be removed all together from India? This wish looks like a pipe dream to me.
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I don't think removal altogether would be a goal, but you could make a case the wish is there to make them less identifiable as Muslims. So you will get mosques and Taj Mahal type structures targeted for reconstruction as temples, Ghar wapisi movements to convert to Hinduism, and erosion of Islamic laws eventually, all of which we are seeing at present.

A thought provoking topic if looked at sincerely.
 
If you talk about quantity, then it is a rubbish thread.

If you talk about influence, then one might have some replies.
 
Mesozoic said:
Really man ? You're asking for sources ?
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He made a claim. Should be able to give a source. Even biased ones would do too. Issue is OP has a habit of opening a thread and then no where to be seen.
 
The politics of majority appeasement continues and people don’t wake up, yes it’s possible over a looong period of time. But I see quite a few Indians with good sense standing up..

There is still a vast majority of brainwashed Hindutva supports though!
 
What people don’t realize is how easy it is for indian govt to refuse or deny or accept someone’s citizenship. In the genocide in Delhi, so many Muslims lost all they had, including their documents and papers. How can they now prove they are indian citizens?

This is why the whole caa and Delhi thing was orchestrated and they plan to do it in other Muslim majority areas in India as well unless the good people there stand up to stop it
 
Local.Dada said:
No Indian Muslims are as important in nation building as any other community. Sure there is a risk of the lower strata of this community being radicalized and taken advantage of by politicians and religious leaders for their own power play but doesn’t mean we ignore the contributions of the real sons of the soil.

So no. In fact this isn’t even the ideology of the most so called hardcore Hindutva group.

So not sure why the op has to even think like this? I hope this is not the kind of information people are getting to rile up their emotions. This is a dangerous trend
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https://www.orissapost.com/dec-31-2...r-christians-and-muslims-in-india-djs-leader/

Would you classify this guy as hardcore? He pretty openly claimed the goal is to rid India of Islam and Christians by 2021.

If this is what’s being said in public, who knows what the actual plan is.
 
It’s so datardly they know they can say it in public without fear of repercussions.

But hey ... it’s India’s “internal matter” .. iss liey aap chup karein.. unko apna kaam karney dein
 
Poutine said:
https://www.orissapost.com/dec-31-2...r-christians-and-muslims-in-india-djs-leader/

Would you classify this guy as hardcore? He pretty openly claimed the goal is to rid India of Islam and Christians by 2021.

If this is what’s being said in public, who knows what the actual plan is.
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Who is this guy? There are plenty of tweets or face book posts which are way worse on all sides, should we take that as credible information especially when it concerns a govt. agenda?
 
Cpt. Rishwat said:
I don't think removal altogether would be a goal, but you could make a case the wish is there to make them less identifiable as Muslims. So you will get mosques and Taj Mahal type structures targeted for reconstruction as temples, Ghar wapisi movements to convert to Hinduism, and erosion of Islamic laws eventually, all of which we are seeing at present.

A thought provoking topic if looked at sincerely.
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Lahore and Karachi have a significance going to as far as ancient Hindu texts. Lahore is in fact named after Lord Ram's son. I wonder how much Hindu identity these places have maintained?

Don't worry Taj Mahal etc will never be touched, no matter how extreme interpretation of Hinduism seeps through the ranks, it will never be Taliban destroying ancient statues etc. No matter how ridiculous a story of a Mughal Emperor having 1000 concubines + loads of wives and having reputation of hurting his own family members erecting a magnificent monument for his beloved queen sounds, the story is what sells and helps the mysticism of the Taj Mahal.

The govt may be a little stringent over those who put religion over nationality and rub it in the govt faces but that's about it. Neither the Indian Muslim is going to be affected or any place of worship.
 
Local.Dada said:
Lahore and Karachi have a significance going to as far as ancient Hindu texts. Lahore is in fact named after Lord Ram's son. I wonder how much Hindu identity these places have maintained?

Don't worry Taj Mahal etc will never be touched, no matter how extreme interpretation of Hinduism seeps through the ranks, it will never be Taliban destroying ancient statues etc. No matter how ridiculous a story of a Mughal Emperor having 1000 concubines + loads of wives and having reputation of hurting his own family members erecting a magnificent monument for his beloved queen sounds, the story is what sells and helps the mysticism of the Taj Mahal.

The govt may be a little stringent over those who put religion over nationality and rub it in the govt faces but that's about it. Neither the Indian Muslim is going to be affected or any place of worship.
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See once again a Misdirected jibe.

We always claimed to be a Muslim nation so of course you would expect that. But India always bajaing band of secularism.

Ya to phir khul ker buk do we are a hindu rashtra and muslims ain’t welcome here. Wait!!!

Ohh that’s right!!! That’s what Modi is doing right now, isn’t he? How clumsy of me!
 
Stewie said:
See once again a Misdirected jibe.

We always claimed to be a Muslim nation so of course you would expect that. But India always bajaing band of secularism.

Ya to phir khul ker buk do we are a hindu rashtra and muslims ain’t welcome here. Wait!!!

Ohh that’s right!!! That’s what Modi is doing right now, isn’t he? How clumsy of me!
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So being a Muslim nation justifies not giving equal rights to minorities? I think that is not a flattering to say if you love your religion and stand by its basic principles of being a good, secular human which any religion I would presume would state. You are doing disservice by using that as an argument.

Now coming to India, what part of minorities of all religions being welcomed didn't you understand. Key world here "minorities" . Last time I checked Muslims are not the minority in Bangladesh, Pak and Afghanistan and neither do Christians and Parsis qualify as Hindus.
 
Local.Dada said:
So being a Muslim nation justifies not giving equal rights to minorities? I think that is not a flattering to say if you love your religion and stand by its basic principles of being a good, secular human which any religion I would presume would state. You are doing disservice by using that as an argument.

Now coming to India, what part of minorities of all religions being welcomed didn't you understand. Key world here "minorities" . Last time I checked Muslims are not the minority in Bangladesh, Pak and Afghanistan and neither do Christians and Parsis qualify as Hindus.
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Non Muslims have rights.. they are allowed places of worship. They are allowed quotas in government sector.. they are free to run business own property, etc.. Pakistan even accommodates sikhs from India to come and celebrate their festivals here and perform their pilgrimage.

The government itself has not denied them any rights.. the only right I believe they do not have is one to become president or pm of Pakistan. Every country has their own laws. In the US you cannot become president if you are not a born citizen. Some will consider that discriminatory as well.

There are human rights and then there are equal rights. Yes, Pakistan does not provide for hundred percent equal rights to non Muslims in some regards.

But as far as human rights are concerned, there is no denying we have a better condition right now in Pakistan than India. You guys are defending a genocide perpetrated by your leader.
 
Stewie said:
Non Muslims have rights.. they are allowed places of worship. They are allowed quotas in government sector.. they are free to run business own property, etc.. Pakistan even accommodates sikhs from India to come and celebrate their festivals here and perform their pilgrimage.

The government itself has not denied them any rights.. the only right I believe they do not have is one to become president or pm of Pakistan. Every country has their own laws. In the US you cannot become president if you are not a born citizen. Some will consider that discriminatory as well.

There are human rights and then there are equal rights. Yes, Pakistan does not provide for hundred percent equal rights to non Muslims in some regards.

But as far as human rights are concerned, there is no denying we have a better condition right now in Pakistan than India. You guys are defending a genocide perpetrated by your leader.
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Do you even know what genocide means?

There is currently a law and order problem happening in Delhi, sure but india is not just Delhi. In those riots even Hindu families have been hurt.

So you think Muslims are being killed in West Bengal, 4 South Indian states, North eastern states, Orissa, UP,Bihar etc etc etc?

Now coming to human rights in Pakistan improving, how many news have come out recently of forceful conversions and atrocities against Hindu Girls? This apparently in the secular PTI government. Can you imagine what might have happened under previous governments where media was controlled and the state policies themselves were against certain minorities?

Can you give me an actual tangible stat that said a certain community has been uplifted recently? Not having any news on the media leaked about human rights abuse and violations don’t count as improvement.

In India every life be it Hindu or Muslim is accountable. The very fact that People are bravely putting their opinion forward means there is a democratic government at helm. You may disagree with their policies but repeating words like genocide or Hindu Hitler a million times is not going to make it a fact.
 
Local.Dada said:
Do you even know what genocide means?

There is currently a law and order problem happening in Delhi, sure but india is not just Delhi. In those riots even Hindu families have been hurt.

So you think Muslims are being killed in West Bengal, 4 South Indian states, North eastern states, Orissa, UP,Bihar etc etc etc?

Now coming to human rights in Pakistan improving, how many news have come out recently of forceful conversions and atrocities against Hindu Girls? This apparently in the secular PTI government. Can you imagine what might have happened under previous governments where media was controlled and the state policies themselves were against certain minorities?

Can you give me an actual tangible stat that said a certain community has been uplifted recently? Not having any news on the media leaked about human rights abuse and violations don’t count as improvement.

In India every life be it Hindu or Muslim is accountable. The very fact that People are bravely putting their opinion forward means there is a democratic government at helm. You may disagree with their policies but repeating words like genocide or Hindu Hitler a million times is not going to make it a fact.
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Wow this is amazing.. how many Hindus have been hurt? Seriously? Go look everywhere.

So I guess thousands in 2002 in gujarat and god knows how many in Delhi in 2020 is a better picture for the uplifting of Muslims than Pakistan can ever offer us what you are saying? Not to mention the latest draconian laws that will rob Indian Muslims of their properties and right to vote in India? That’s what CAA is.

I do t know how many pakistani Hindus you know of jitni am personally friends with tens of Indian Muslims. So I know fully well their mindset on their condition in India. I don’t need a hindu supporter of a damned chaiwalla to tell me they are better off in India.

What a joke!
 
Apparently all neutral media outlets including bbc, times, New Yorker, and a hindu professor at Cambridge are towing the Pakistani line.. for some reason none of them believe this was “just a law and order failure”

Modi Asmaan se utera hai usski chaatey jao tum log.
Lol..
 
This is a fantasy of the RSS but then they looked in the mirror with their sticks and schoolshirts.

If WW3 ever breaks out, it will be the RSS who will be running out of India.
 
Wont happen overnight, might even take 100 years. But when there is a will, there is a way. And there is plenty of Will in India to exterminate Muslims, or should I say non-Hindus.

They’re off to a good start with Modi.
 
What a ridiculous thread! No, we will never let it happen.
 
Local.Dada said:
Who is this guy? There are plenty of tweets or face book posts which are way worse on all sides, should we take that as credible information especially when it concerns a govt. agenda?
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You might not know him but seems like he has a following and is leads a group. Anyways even if he isn’t popular, the point is he openly threatened Muslims and Christians in India without any legal repercussion. I am going to repeat my point, if guys like him are so emboldened that they can threaten genocide or mass conversion in public without any legal backlash then one can only wonder what they are planning behind closed doors.
 
Poutine said:
You might not know him but seems like he has a following and is leads a group. Anyways even if he isn’t popular, the point is he openly threatened Muslims and Christians in India without any legal repercussion. I am going to repeat my point, if guys like him are so emboldened that they can threaten genocide or mass conversion in public without any legal backlash then one can only wonder what they are planning behind closed doors.
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This my way or the highway has been the approach of abrahamics since inception. What’s your problem if dharmic people, mainly hindus, are now finally asserting their dominance that too in their own country?

Abrahamics have destroyed the psyche of dharmic people in the subcontinent over a thousand years of invasion. ‘Sickularism’ is not the panacea, the wounds have only been festering inside. Say NO to forced secularism.

If the majority wants a Dharmic rashtra or Bharat, we will get it and no amount of whining and subterfuge from you hypocrites will stop it
 
Local.Dada said:
No matter how ridiculous a story of a Mughal Emperor having 1000 concubines + loads of wives and having reputation of hurting his own family members erecting a magnificent monument for his beloved queen sounds, the story is what sells and helps the mysticism of the Taj Mahal.
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So the historical plausibility of the above tale is less than this...

Local.Dada said:
Lahore is in fact named after Lord Ram's son.
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Well, ok then :rabada2
 
Why are Indians upset at this notion of eliminating Muslims entirely from their country? This is the popular opinion, it's what the democratically elected government is pursuing. Maybe some of you personally don't agree with it, but don't disagree that your country is in favor of a Hindu-only state.

Perhaps the gravity of the fact that RSS is inspired by Nazis has not fully sunk in, or been digested as to what that means.
 
retterimp said:
This my way or the highway has been the approach of abrahamics since inception. What’s your problem if dharmic people, mainly hindus, are now finally asserting their dominance that too in their own country?

Abrahamics have destroyed the psyche of dharmic people in the subcontinent over a thousand years of invasion. ‘Sickularism’ is not the panacea, the wounds have only been festering inside. Say NO to forced secularism.

If the majority wants a Dharmic rashtra or Bharat, we will get it and no amount of whining and subterfuge from you hypocrites will stop it
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[MENTION=151383]Local.Dada[/MENTION] You dismissed the article I posted but it seems like that guy’s view have backing even on this forum. If seemingly educated people like the guy I am quoting support the idea of forcefully converting or evicting minorities then surely there is an issue.

[MENTION=2810]retterimp[/MENTION] I am not going to bother arguing because you clearly follow an extremist ideology and don’t think I can change that. But thanks for proving my point that the views in this article are not fringe views but in fact backed by the majority at least per your claim.

https://www.orissapost.com/dec-31-2...ristians-and-muslims-in-india-djs-leader/amp/
 
Poutine said:
[MENTION=151383]Local.Dada[/MENTION] You dismissed the article I posted but it seems like that guy’s view have backing even on this forum. If seemingly educated people like the guy I am quoting support the idea of forcefully converting or evicting minorities then surely there is an issue.


[MENTION=2810]retterimp[/MENTION] I am not going to bother arguing because you clearly follow an extremist ideology and don’t think I can change that. But thanks for proving my point that the views in this article are not fringe views but in fact backed by the majority at least per your claim.

https://www.orissapost.com/dec-31-2...ristians-and-muslims-in-india-djs-leader/amp/
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Nice try. Call me an extremist when shown the mirror with your hypocrisy called out and no counter-points. To you it’s extremism, to me it’s shifting the pendulum back in equilibrium.

Unfortunately majority doesn’t hold my views. If it were then we would’ve had full population transfer at partition and become a dharmic rashtra without any baggage. This secularism/minority appeasement nonsense wouldn’t have been entertained
 
Not going to happen within the current setup. Most likely chance for it to happen is during a civil war or a 1947 like situation.

I look up to Pakistan which succeeded in virtually removing non-Muslims from their ancestral lands in 1947. Our founding father were too stupid, naive and idealistic, so we'll just have to wait for now.
 
Local.Dada said:
Lahore and Karachi have a significance going to as far as ancient Hindu texts. Lahore is in fact named after Lord Ram's son. I wonder how much Hindu identity these places have maintained?

Don't worry Taj Mahal etc will never be touched, no matter how extreme interpretation of Hinduism seeps through the ranks, it will never be Taliban destroying ancient statues etc. No matter how ridiculous a story of a Mughal Emperor having 1000 concubines + loads of wives and having reputation of hurting his own family members erecting a magnificent monument for his beloved queen sounds, the story is what sells and helps the mysticism of the Taj Mahal.

The govt may be a little stringent over those who put religion over nationality and rub it in the govt faces but that's about it. Neither the Indian Muslim is going to be affected or any place of worship.
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I counted three cases of whataboutism in that reply alone. This sort of justification just seems to bear out the notion put forward in the OP.
 
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