Will IPL now demand 2 slots in every year?

[Major]

IPL has been postponed, and I think this is really bad news for cricket as BCCI might be asking for another window in the cricket calendar.

Another window means, we will be having another 2 months where international cricket would be postponed.

If BCCI pulls a second window, they might try to propose the idea of having a double window IPL every year.

Do you think it could lead to this?

 

[Gullycricket]

There is a chance this happens but this will be death of world cricket. BCCI had been eyeing that September October slot

 

[Rana]

This is what all cricket fans want don’t they?

El Classico (Mumbai Indians v CSK) 8-10 times in the year

 

[Mamoon]

We need to understand that the IPL window is not for IPL but for the protection of international cricket.

BCCI can hold IPL any month and all the top players will desert their national teams to participate in IPL.

It is necessary to have a window in order to avoid embarrassment for national teams and to protect the top players from choosing between IPL and international commitments.

So yes, if IPL is not completed in its designated window, it will require another window in the future.

99% of the players in the world will choose IPL over representing their countries. Heck, even Pakistani players will choose IPL over Pakistan national team and their PSL contracts if they are offered the type of money the top overseas players make in IPL.

Everyone has a price and IPL knows the price of these players well. Hence, it is not possible to hold IPL without a window.

 

[Ab Fan]

International T20 format should be shelved. There is no point having world tournaments for T20s.

West Indies have won two World T20s but still people consider them minnows. Their success in T20s doesn't help them in uplifting their stature as one of top cricket playing nations.

Teams like Australia haven't won World T20 and it will not affect their stature either. Neither do I feel that T20 cricket should be considered as the benchmark of national pride in cricket. It will always be Test Cricket and 50-overs World Cup.

Hence, for the best of everyone including the game, T20 international format should be shelved and franchise leagues like IPL, PSL etc should be given the allocated windows for the cricketers and everyone around to be financially secure and at the same time provide the reqd. entertainment to the fans which is basically the only deal with this format.

National pride in cricket comes with success in Test Cricket and 50-overs World Cup in my honest opinion.

 

[Rana]

International T20 format should be shelved. There is no point having world tournaments for T20s.

West Indies have won two World T20s but still people consider them minnows. Their success in T20s doesn't help them in uplifting their stature as one of top cricket playing nations.

Teams like Australia haven't won World T20 and it will not affect their stature either. Neither do I feel that T20 cricket should be considered as the benchmark of national pride in cricket. It will always be Test Cricket and 50-overs World Cup.

Hence, for the best of everyone including the game, T20 international format should be shelved and franchise leagues like IPL, PSL etc should be given the allocated windows for the cricketers and everyone around to be financially secure and at the same time provide the reqd. entertainment to the fans which is basically the only deal with this format.

National pride in cricket comes with success in Test Cricket and 50-overs World Cup in my honest opinion.

Another great post.

World T20 should be scrapped as it is meaningless. I guess PCB should simply disband it’s T20i side now that it will serve no purpose?

 

[shaz619]

International T20 format should be shelved. There is no point having world tournaments for T20s.

West Indies have won two World T20s but still people consider them minnows. Their success in T20s doesn't help them in uplifting their stature as one of top cricket playing nations.

Teams like Australia haven't won World T20 and it will not affect their stature either. Neither do I feel that T20 cricket should be considered as the benchmark of national pride in cricket. It will always be Test Cricket and 50-overs World Cup.

Hence, for the best of everyone including the game, T20 international format should be shelved and franchise leagues like IPL, PSL etc should be given the allocated windows for the cricketers and everyone around to be financially secure and at the same time provide the reqd. entertainment to the fans which is basically the only deal with this format.

National pride in cricket comes with success in Test Cricket and 50-overs World Cup in my honest opinion.

Only the Indian would spew such nonsense and drivel, scrap an entertaining and high calibre world class T20 tournament to pander to Mr.Deepak and Mr.Varun in Mumbai and Chennai with geniuses like these, who needs to worry about the growth of international cricket

 

[Ab Fan]

Another great post.

World T20 should be scrapped as it is meaningless. I guess PCB should simply disband it’s T20i side now that it will serve no purpose?

PCB should tell them to either hone their skills to succeed in ODIs and Tests or live a govt. job type life by restricting themselves to PSL which is T20 format and that is what their game is suited to.

 

[Ab Fan]

Only the Indian would spew such nonsense and drivel, scrap an entertaining and high calibre world class T20 tournament to pander to Mr.Deepak and Mr.Varun in Mumbai and Chennai with geniuses like these, who needs to worry about the growth of international cricket

What nonsense? I am a test purist and I don't consider T20 format as relevant enough. It is not a benchmark for national pride.

The entertaining and high calibre world class tournament that you are claiming has been won by West Indies twice but you guys still consider them minnows. That tells us how much entertaining and high calibre the tournament is.

Whenever any team has a bit of decline, the saying is " This team is the next West Indies now". So, how is T20 tournament world class when it doesn't uplift their stature even by a bit?

For me, the equivalent of T20 format is basically playing Pito and Luka Chuppi. It is not a national pride. I am a test purist and I look forward to world test championship while you can continue looking ahead to the next T20 series Vs Zimbabwe or Bangladesh or whoever you want.

 

[Rana]

PCB should tell them to either hone their skills to succeed in ODIs and Tests or live a govt. job type life by restricting themselves to PSL which is T20 format and that is what their game is suited to.

I understand it’s a tough day for you guys, but I would still try to be a bit more humble at this point. It isn’t the PCB’s fault that the BCCI couldn’t get the job done. Stop venting your frustration on PCB and making unrealistic demands such as the ICC should scrap one of its global events because the BCCI have been a shambles

 

[Ab Fan]

I understand it’s a tough day for you guys, but I would still try to be a bit more humble at this point. It isn’t the PCB’s fault that the BCCI couldn’t get the job done. Stop venting your frustration on PCB and making unrealistic demands such as the ICC should scrap one of its global events because the BCCI have been a shambles

I have been demanding this from quite some time now. It has nothing to do with IPL getting postponed. Actually, I was one of those people who wanted this year's IPL to get suspended ASAP.

 

[shaz619]

What nonsense? I am a test purist and I don't consider T20 format as relevant enough. It is not a benchmark for national pride.

The entertaining and high calibre world class tournament that you are claiming has been won by West Indies twice but you guys still consider them minnows. That tells us how much entertaining and high calibre the tournament is.

Whenever any team has a bit of decline, the saying is " This team is the next West Indies now". So, how is T20 tournament world class when it doesn't uplift their stature even by a bit?

For me, the equivalent of T20 format is basically playing Pito and Luka Chuppi. It is not a national pride. I am a test purist and I look forward to world test championship while you can continue looking ahead to the next T20 series Vs Zimbabwe or Bangladesh or whoever you want.

I have’t called them minnows I highly rate the West Indian team and have a soft spot due to my links with Jamaica, if anything they are under rated; if the West Indies are minnows, what does that say about India who have not won the tournament since 2007 despite the IPL etc maybe that’s why you don’t rate it, otherwise any international tournament victory is to be cherished, the other issue is you would scrap this over Pito and Luka Chuppi IPL which doesn’t make any sense at all, the IPL is not the holy grail of T20’s, it will always be superseded by the WT20 in terms of quality/competition. Test purists don’t like T20’s all that much so it’s funny how you still dance in streets over the IPL and are prepared to have people die for it quiet literally.

 

[TheNightWatchman]

I have been demanding this from quite some time now. It has nothing to do with IPL getting postponed. Actually, I was one of those people who wanted this year's IPL to get suspended ASAP.

I can vouch for this. [MENTION=2016]Rana[/MENTION] is on a bit of a high horse right now that IPL got cancelled lol.
Even though I disagree with your point. I think International T20 is just as important. It's still the tournament that will rake in a lot of viewership especially the casual fan( which is the majority of cricket fans today whether we like it or not) and is the best option for international expansion of the game. It's my least favourite format but you cannot deny it has it's moments and is here to stay.

 

[Rana]

I can vouch for this. [MENTION=2016]Rana[/MENTION] is on a bit of a high horse right now that IPL got cancelled lol.
Even though I disagree with your point. I think International T20 is just as important. It's still the tournament that will rake in a lot of viewership especially the casual fan( which is the majority of cricket fans today whether we like it or not) and is the best option for international expansion of the game. It's my least favourite format but you cannot deny it has it's moments and is here to stay.

High horse? I am begging for this IPL to finish in this window

 

[Ab Fan]

I can vouch for this. [MENTION=2016]Rana[/MENTION] is on a bit of a high horse right now that IPL got cancelled lol.
Even though I disagree with your point. I think International T20 is just as important. It's still the tournament that will rake in a lot of viewership especially the casual fan( which is the majority of cricket fans today whether we like it or not) and is the best option for international expansion of the game. It's my least favourite format but you cannot deny it has it's moments and is here to stay.

I really really really want to know what is the importance of having T20 format and how exactly it is relevant in improvement of the game?

With the evolution of T20 cricket, we can see that test matches nowadays are completed in a matter of 2-3 days. Most of the modern era batsman techniques are fragile and all we end up watching is the usual whining of pitches.

Subcontinent players struggle to deal with the swing, seam, pace and variable bounce outside Asia while SENA players look clueless against spin or reverse swing whenever they come to subcontinent.

Moreover, with the presence of WT20 format, the players also start prioritizing domestic leagues in the name of host country being hosting the world tournament and often start giving it more value than Test Cricket.

Franchise leagues include IPL, PSL, BBL and all other leagues and I am not talking only about IPL, the administrators are respective boards and what they are doing is their thing. But to prioritize Tests and ODIs, ICC can certainly shelve international T20s as it will also ensure that foreign players don't prioritize the T20 franchise leagues because ultimately, there will be no world tournament in that format to make an excuse about.

 

[UzmanBeast]

I really really really want to know what is the importance of having T20 format and how exactly it is relevant in improvement of the game?

With the evolution of T20 cricket, we can see that test matches nowadays are completed in a matter of 2-3 days. Most of the modern era batsman techniques are fragile and all we end up watching is the usual whining of pitches.

Subcontinent players struggle to deal with the swing, seam, pace and variable bounce outside Asia while SENA players look clueless against spin or reverse swing whenever they come to subcontinent.

Moreover, with the presence of WT20 format, the players also start prioritizing domestic leagues in the name of host country being hosting the world tournament and often start giving it more value than Test Cricket.

Franchise leagues include IPL, PSL, BBL and all other leagues and I am not talking only about IPL, the administrators are respective boards and what they are doing is their thing. But to prioritize Tests and ODIs, ICC can certainly shelve international T20s as it will also ensure that foreign players don't prioritize the T20 franchise leagues because ultimately, there will be no world tournament in that format to make an excuse about.

Whereas that is true, most playing nations who are doing well in the T20I format would disagree with this because any trophy, despite the format, is still a trophy for them.

So far, we haven't really seen players openly abandon their own countries to play IPL (as in, one or two players have done this but I am yet to see like half of the England team refuse to play for the nation at a time).

I agree with you about T20 leagues dominating nowadays because if you look at it logically, you've got a T20 League in every single time of the year. These leagues offer good money and if you're a big name, you'll easily get a contract.

Players nowadays are quite easily bought, I can guarantee you that if the PSL throws money around, the likes of AB, Pollard, Stokes, etc. will happily come to play in the league. Any source of income is what players will be looking for, so realistically, with T20 leagues springing about, a player might as well play for the national team and make a name in the international arena, and then become a T20 merchant and make probably $750,000+ in a year if they are lucky to get contracts in these major leagues.

Most people on this forum will talk about integrity and how "players owe their boards" but the simple fact is that everyone can do anything for the right amount of money.

 

[Technics 1210]

We need to understand that the IPL window is not for IPL but for the protection of international cricket.

BCCI can hold IPL any month and all the top players will desert their national teams to participate in IPL.

It is necessary to have a window in order to avoid embarrassment for national teams and to protect the top players from choosing between IPL and international commitments.

So yes, if IPL is not completed in its designated window, it will require another window in the future.

99% of the players in the world will choose IPL over representing their countries. Heck, even Pakistani players will choose IPL over Pakistan national team and their PSL contracts if they are offered the type of money the top overseas players make in IPL.

Everyone has a price and IPL knows the price of these players well. Hence, it is not possible to hold IPL without a window.

Pure nonsense.

If IPL was held in parallel to the Ashes, not a single England or Aussie player will play in the IPL.

Keep dreaming.

 

[Mamoon]

Pure nonsense.

If IPL was held in parallel to the Ashes, not a single England or Aussie player will play in the IPL.

Keep dreaming.

Don’t bet on it. As I said, everyone has a price.

The assumption that Australian and English players would give up their million dollar IPL contracts for Ashes may not hold up if they are put to test, and to ensure that they never have to make an uncomfortable choice like that, it is important for the sanctity of international cricket to have an IPL window.

IPL’s pulling power threatens to kill international cricket including Test cricket and including the Ashes. Hence, giving it a window was and is necessary to keep international cricket alive.

 

[Technics 1210]

Don’t bet on it. As I said, everyone has a price.

The assumption that Australian and English players would give up their million dollar IPL contracts for Ashes may not hold up if they are put to test, and to ensure that they never have to make an uncomfortable choice like that, it is important for the sanctity of international cricket to have an IPL window.

IPL’s pulling power threatens to kill international cricket including Test cricket and including the Ashes. Hence, giving it a window was and is necessary to keep international cricket alive.

One of the main reasons why the current IPL window is in May is to avoid the clash with the Ashes so that star players can play in the IPL.

Even if your notion is granted, and the IPL is held in parallel to the Ashes, the IPL will be featuring C/D team players from England/Oz.

A* players like Warner, Butler et al will choose Ashes over IPL. Ashes is the pinnacle for these players.

No England/Aussie player would dare choose IPL over Ashes, unless they fancy losing their central contracts.

This is precisly why IPL is held in May, and precisly why ICC approve of the window.

Otherwise IPL will feature the C/D team players from England/OZ.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

International T20 format should be shelved. There is no point having world tournaments for T20s.

West Indies have won two World T20s but still people consider them minnows. Their success in T20s doesn't help them in uplifting their stature as one of top cricket playing nations.

Teams like Australia haven't won World T20 and it will not affect their stature either. Neither do I feel that T20 cricket should be considered as the benchmark of national pride in cricket. It will always be Test Cricket and 50-overs World Cup.

Hence, for the best of everyone including the game, T20 international format should be shelved and franchise leagues like IPL, PSL etc should be given the allocated windows for the cricketers and everyone around to be financially secure and at the same time provide the reqd. entertainment to the fans which is basically the only deal with this format.

National pride in cricket comes with success in Test Cricket and 50-overs World Cup in my honest opinion.

Not your pyjama league teams though. They all line up to sign them as many as they can. Also don't act like a test purist now because you are not the one. T20Is or any other international format aren't going anywhere. They are here to stay no matter how much some greedy and arrogant fans want these formats to die.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

IPL has been postponed, and I think this is really bad news for cricket as BCCI might be asking for another window in the cricket calendar.

Another window means, we will be having another 2 months where international cricket would be postponed.

If BCCI pulls a second window, they might try to propose the idea of having a double window IPL every year.

Do you think it could lead to this?

It happened last year doesn't mean it should become a norm and allowed this year as well. BCCI got their window and they messed it up. End of the story. Why should fans from other countries and those who want to watch T20 WC suffer at the end of this year again? I am sure same fans who were dancing and enjoying during IPL when people were dying outside bio bubble would want to see another IPL later this year.

 

[Extra_Cover]

We need to understand that the IPL window is not for IPL but for the protection of international cricket.

BCCI can hold IPL any month and all the top players will desert their national teams to participate in IPL.

It is necessary to have a window in order to avoid embarrassment for national teams and to protect the top players from choosing between IPL and international commitments.

So yes, if IPL is not completed in its designated window, it will require another window in the future.

99% of the players in the world will choose IPL over representing their countries. Heck, even Pakistani players will choose IPL over Pakistan national team and their PSL contracts if they are offered the type of money the top overseas players make in IPL.

Everyone has a price and IPL knows the price of these players well. Hence, it is not possible to hold IPL without a window.

The part in bold is something I disagree with. IPL is the start of end of cricket over long run and not the other way around.

Be it cricket or any other sport in the world its existence is dependent on its global reach or audience. Cricket as a sport was limited to first world countries which expanded onto colonies of England after WWII. Cricket as a sport had a golden period in mid 90s after South Africa ended apartheid and were welcomed back into international cricket. From mid 90s till mid 2000s we saw countries like Kenya, Zimbabwe, Sri Lanka, Bangladesh, Nairobi, Netherlands and Ireland raising their games at international level. This resulted in more audience, more global reach and eventually a more popular sport.

With the introduction of IPL and formation of Big 3 the greed has kicked in dismantling the global reach of this sport. Its like in a neighborhood if I have the biggest house then I should have more access or availability of the running water in that neighborhood. What we don't realise is that there is a small house in this neighborhood that survives on very limited supply of running water. Now with Big 3 running the neighborhood this small house is slowly but surely being kicked out of this neighborhood because now it doesn't have that small supply of water to keep itself in this neighborhood.

Moreover any sport's popularity is gauged by the eyeballs it can attract together with its global reach or global audience. Now IPL will surely be a glitzy event and most watched surely in cricket but does it have a global following or audience? I'm a Pakistani and die hard supporter of cricket but I don't watch IPL and I know a large chunk of Pakistani people does not watch IPL so that is a large sect of audience not tuning in. Surely there would be viewers from England and Australia but would this viewership number from these countries exceed the numbers that would watch an Ashes? Most likely not. So even though billions of Indians tune in to watch IPL daily it does not have the same reach as international cricket does. By replacing international cricket its surely killing this wonderful sport slowly.

India is the leader in sports of cricket but it does not have the vision to expand this sport. Power can be blinding and in this glitzy IPL extravaganza we have turned a blind eye to expand this sport.

 

[Amjad007]

Hope ipl starts in July during England’s season or Boxing Day during Australia’s.

 

[Colorblind Genius]

IPL has been postponed, and I think this is really bad news for cricket as BCCI might be asking for another window in the cricket calendar.

Another window means, we will be having another 2 months where international cricket would be postponed.

If BCCI pulls a second window, they might try to propose the idea of having a double window IPL every year.

Do you think it could lead to this?

They got the money. They can.
What’s the issue here?


Remember, modern day cricket is a commercialized business. And all what matters in business is money!

I won’t be surprised to see IPL even trumping the Ashes.

 

[Napa]

India is the leader in sports of cricket but it does not have the vision to expand this sport. Power can be blinding and in this glitzy IPL extravaganza we have turned a blind eye to expand this sport.

Really? Most people and certainly players would consider the IPL to be a significant expansion of the sport. As ABD said when he got first IPL contract for $300,000 that he thought an extra 0 had been added in error.

Multiple players have said that getting an IPL contract has been life-changing.

IPL generates money because people watch. So the audience wants it, the players want it, but it isn't an expansion of the sport?

 

[FastBowlingAllrounder]

Really? Most people and certainly players would consider the IPL to be a significant expansion of the sport. As ABD said when he got first IPL contract for $300,000 that he thought an extra 0 had been added in error.

Multiple players have said that getting an IPL contract has been life-changing.

IPL generates money because people watch. So the audience wants it, the players want it, but it isn't an expansion of the sport?

Expansion in the sense that it is catering to the domestic Indian cricket viewers market (which itself comprises the majority of cricket followers worldwide) but not any new countries (e.g., associate nations).

 

[CrIc_Mystique]

This is what all cricket fans want don’t they?

El Classico (Mumbai Indians v CSK) 8-10 times in the year

U might be surprised with the reality. I'm indian....I don't...
so do several 1000's.
I'd take international cricket of whoever playing whoever over IPL, Big bash or any t20 league.
Not every indian is a fan of the BCCI however to blame them for al lthatgs ill in the world of cricket is drawing too long a bow...

 

[CrIc_Mystique]

I understand it’s a tough day for you guys, but I would still try to be a bit more humble at this point. It isn’t the PCB’s fault that the BCCI couldn’t get the job done. Stop venting your frustration on PCB and making unrealistic demands such as the ICC should scrap one of its global events because the BCCI have been a shambles

Hmmm...good point.
Does'nt the same apply when u interchange BCCI and PCB in that sentence and apply it to a lot of situations, scenarios over the past decade or so?

 

[MesonK]

IPL is a circus league where foreign players gather up to make money out of Indian pockets against putting half the effort they are actually capable of. That comes with bonuses like parties, rubbing shoulders with bookies etc and what not

 

[Mamoon]

One of the main reasons why the current IPL window is in May is to avoid the clash with the Ashes so that star players can play in the IPL.

Even if your notion is granted, and the IPL is held in parallel to the Ashes, the IPL will be featuring C/D team players from England/Oz.

A* players like Warner, Butler et al will choose Ashes over IPL. Ashes is the pinnacle for these players.

No England/Aussie player would dare choose IPL over Ashes, unless they fancy losing their central contracts.

This is precisly why IPL is held in May, and precisly why ICC approve of the window.

Otherwise IPL will feature the C/D team players from England/OZ.

Actually it is the other way around.

The IPL is held in May to avoid clash with Ashes so that CA and ECB do not have to face the embarrassment of playing an Ashes series with their reserve squads.

IPL holds all the cards because it has all the money, and professional cricketers do not think like fans.

When push comes to shove, all this talk of honoring international cricket and having pride in playing for your country etc. means nothing. It is all about money.

The Ashes meant everything to the generation of Australian and English players whose heads were not swayed by IPL money.

The destruction of international cricket is not in BCCI’s interest anyway. After all, these overseas stars are recruited mainly from international cricket and Team India is a giant of a cricket team.

However, let’s not labor under the delusion that the IPL window exists to protect IPL from playing with reserve players. It is the other way around - the IPL window exists because it is essential to ensure that none of the big teams play international cricket with their reserve players.

IPL can be scheduled any time and it will be grab the bigger percentage of the best active players in the world. The window is for international cricket and not IPL.

 

[Mamoon]

The part in bold is something I disagree with. IPL is the start of end of cricket over long run and not the other way around.

Be it cricket or any other sport in the world its existence is dependent on its global reach or audience. Cricket as a sport was limited to first world countries which expanded onto colonies of England after WWII. Cricket as a sport had a golden period in mid 90s after South Africa ended apartheid and were welcomed back into international cricket. From mid 90s till mid 2000s we saw countries like Kenya, Zimbabwe, Sri Lanka, Bangladesh, Nairobi, Netherlands and Ireland raising their games at international level. This resulted in more audience, more global reach and eventually a more popular sport.

With the introduction of IPL and formation of Big 3 the greed has kicked in dismantling the global reach of this sport. Its like in a neighborhood if I have the biggest house then I should have more access or availability of the running water in that neighborhood. What we don't realise is that there is a small house in this neighborhood that survives on very limited supply of running water. Now with Big 3 running the neighborhood this small house is slowly but surely being kicked out of this neighborhood because now it doesn't have that small supply of water to keep itself in this neighborhood.

Moreover any sport's popularity is gauged by the eyeballs it can attract together with its global reach or global audience. Now IPL will surely be a glitzy event and most watched surely in cricket but does it have a global following or audience? I'm a Pakistani and die hard supporter of cricket but I don't watch IPL and I know a large chunk of Pakistani people does not watch IPL so that is a large sect of audience not tuning in. Surely there would be viewers from England and Australia but would this viewership number from these countries exceed the numbers that would watch an Ashes? Most likely not. So even though billions of Indians tune in to watch IPL daily it does not have the same reach as international cricket does. By replacing international cricket its surely killing this wonderful sport slowly.

India is the leader in sports of cricket but it does not have the vision to expand this sport. Power can be blinding and in this glitzy IPL extravaganza we have turned a blind eye to expand this sport.

Not every sport is meant to have global reach. Cricket was never intended to become global and it cannot achieve that any way.

Most countries in the world are not stupid enough to be attracted to a team sport where a match goes on for 5 days and you still end up with no result. That is ridiculous.

The problem with the expansion of cricket is the existence of Test cricket. As long as this archaic format exists, cricket has zero chance of achieving global appeal.

Furthermore, if you are bringing in new countries to the fold in white ball cricket and especially T20 cricket, you are basically forever condemning them to minnow/associate status, because no country will be able to compete with the major sides in the long run without a first class architecture, and that would require interest in Test cricket which is not going to happen.

IPL may not have global appeal but it does not matter when it is watched by billions of people. At the end of the day, they bring in enough $$$ for IPL to become the most lucrative tournament in the world.

To some extent, IPL is like the sporting leagues of USA. The NFL, NBA, MLB do not have a lot of global appeal either - they do not spark interest in South Asia, Africa and to an extent Europe which means billions of people, but it does not impact them whatsoever because of the money it generations within North America.

IPL is not a threat to international cricket because it does not serve the interests of BCCI. The Indian cricket team is arguably the best all-format side in the world and the foreign stars in IPL are mostly recruited through international cricket.

I really don’t see the problem with having an IPL window. It is essential for the survival of international cricket because IPL has the money to sabotage it, but the ICC and BCCI have collectively decided against it which is why it is necessary to have an IPL window for the protection of international cricket.

As far as the Big 3 are concerned, they are used as a convenient excuse to cover up the incompetence and the administrative failures of other cricket boards.

The likes of Pakistan, West Indies, Sri Lanka, South Africa and Zimbabwe are responsible for their own demise and it has nothing to do with the big 3.

New Zealand is a fine example of the success a competent and well-run cricket board can achieve in the big 3 environment.

IPL does not stand between cricket and global appeal and neither does it stand between cricket boards and success.

It is simply a self-appointed boogeyman for people to dump all the problems on.

 

[CrIc_Mystique]

It happened last year doesn't mean it should become a norm and allowed this year as well. BCCI got their window and they messed it up. End of the story. Why should fans from other countries and those who want to watch T20 WC suffer at the end of this year again? I am sure same fans who were dancing and enjoying during IPL when people were dying outside bio bubble would want to see another IPL later this year.

that, I agree with ...so do several indian fans...so get the chip off shoulder m8...

 

[CrIc_Mystique]

Not every sport is meant to have global reach. Cricket was never intended to become global and it cannot achieve that any way.

Most countries in the world are not stupid enough to be attracted to a team sport where a match goes on for 5 days and you still end up with no result. That is ridiculous.

The problem with the expansion of cricket is the existence of Test cricket. As long as this archaic format exists, cricket has zero chance of achieving global appeal.

Furthermore, if you are bringing in new countries to the fold in white ball cricket and especially T20 cricket, you are basically forever condemning them to minnow/associate status, because no country will be able to compete with the major sides in the long run without a first class architecture, and that would require interest in Test cricket which is not going to happen.

IPL may not have global appeal but it does not matter when it is watched by billions of people. At the end of the day, they bring in enough $$$ for IPL to become the most lucrative tournament in the world.

To some extent, IPL is like the sporting leagues of USA. The NFL, NBA, MLB do not have a lot of global appeal either - they do not spark interest in South Asia, Africa and to an extent Europe which means billions of people, but it does not impact them whatsoever because of the money it generations within North America.

IPL is not a threat to international cricket because it does not serve the interests of BCCI. The Indian cricket team is arguably the best all-format side in the world and the foreign stars in IPL are mostly recruited through international cricket.

I really don’t see the problem with having an IPL window. It is essential for the survival of international cricket because IPL has the money to sabotage it, but the ICC and BCCI have collectively decided against it which is why it is necessary to have an IPL window for the protection of international cricket.

As far as the Big 3 are concerned, they are used as a convenient excuse to cover up the incompetence and the administrative failures of other cricket boards.

The likes of Pakistan, West Indies, Sri Lanka, South Africa and Zimbabwe are responsible for their own demise and it has nothing to do with the big 3.

New Zealand is a fine example of the success a competent and well-run cricket board can achieve in the big 3 environment.

IPL does not stand between cricket and global appeal and neither does it stand between cricket boards and success.

It is simply a self-appointed boogeyman for people to dump all the problems on.

A fabulous summary, analogy, equivalence....fanstastic take on the sabotage, bogeyman factor and also on NZ's competency.

 

[Ab Fan]

I repeat it again.

Abandon T20 format and save test cricket. We do not want Test matches to get completed in 2 days where third day is generally reserved for whining of pitches.

World T20 is a joke of tournament and winners do not get their due credit. West Indies are still considered an inferior side to South Africa, Pakistan and Sri Lanka even though they won two WT20s. The WT20 win has no impact on their stature. Just abandon it. The financial perspective is also lacking here because cricketers get paid higher for test cricket than ODIs and they get paid higher in ODIs than T20s.

 

[RamLakhan]

Actually it is the other way around.

The IPL is held in May to avoid clash with Ashes so that CA and ECB do not have to face the embarrassment of playing an Ashes series with their reserve squads.

IPL holds all the cards because it has all the money, and professional cricketers do not think like fans.

When push comes to shove, all this talk of honoring international cricket and having pride in playing for your country etc. means nothing. It is all about money.

The Ashes meant everything to the generation of Australian and English players whose heads were not swayed by IPL money.

The destruction of international cricket is not in BCCI’s interest anyway. After all, these overseas stars are recruited mainly from international cricket and Team India is a giant of a cricket team.

However, let’s not labor under the delusion that the IPL window exists to protect IPL from playing with reserve players. It is the other way around - the IPL window exists because it is essential to ensure that none of the big teams play international cricket with their reserve players.

IPL can be scheduled any time and it will be grab the bigger percentage of the best active players in the world. The window is for international cricket and not IPL.

IPL is played in April-May because that's the time people have summer leisure with holidays to schools, and it has nothing to do with Ashes... September-October is the next priority (another holiday-festival season) but people's interest will be dispersed during that time and also there's chance of rain... India doesn't have major interest (cultural interest) during the December-January New Year period where the Ashes is played... They are more than happy to tour one of the SENA countries to play international cricket... Christmas/New Year celebration is more prominent in these countries compared to India where it's limited only for night-club joy and zero cultural significance, so our players would be happy to be part of it...

 

[volcyz]

Cant wait to watch more IPL

Nothing beats the pure entertainment

 

[Mamoon]

Cant wait to watch more IPL

Nothing beats the pure entertainment

True. It is the greatest spectacle in the cricket calendar along with the ICC tournaments.

 

[Extra_Cover]

Not every sport is meant to have global reach. Cricket was never intended to become global and it cannot achieve that any way.

Most countries in the world are not stupid enough to be attracted to a team sport where a match goes on for 5 days and you still end up with no result. That is ridiculous.

The problem with the expansion of cricket is the existence of Test cricket. As long as this archaic format exists, cricket has zero chance of achieving global appeal.

Furthermore, if you are bringing in new countries to the fold in white ball cricket and especially T20 cricket, you are basically forever condemning them to minnow/associate status, because no country will be able to compete with the major sides in the long run without a first class architecture, and that would require interest in Test cricket which is not going to happen.

IPL may not have global appeal but it does not matter when it is watched by billions of people. At the end of the day, they bring in enough $$$ for IPL to become the most lucrative tournament in the world.

To some extent, IPL is like the sporting leagues of USA. The NFL, NBA, MLB do not have a lot of global appeal either - they do not spark interest in South Asia, Africa and to an extent Europe which means billions of people, but it does not impact them whatsoever because of the money it generations within North America.

IPL is not a threat to international cricket because it does not serve the interests of BCCI. The Indian cricket team is arguably the best all-format side in the world and the foreign stars in IPL are mostly recruited through international cricket.

I really don’t see the problem with having an IPL window. It is essential for the survival of international cricket because IPL has the money to sabotage it, but the ICC and BCCI have collectively decided against it which is why it is necessary to have an IPL window for the protection of international cricket.

As far as the Big 3 are concerned, they are used as a convenient excuse to cover up the incompetence and the administrative failures of other cricket boards.

The likes of Pakistan, West Indies, Sri Lanka, South Africa and Zimbabwe are responsible for their own demise and it has nothing to do with the big 3.

New Zealand is a fine example of the success a competent and well-run cricket board can achieve in the big 3 environment.

IPL does not stand between cricket and global appeal and neither does it stand between cricket boards and success.

It is simply a self-appointed boogeyman for people to dump all the problems on.

I'm not going to get into debate over the argument of international cricket benefitting through IPL or not. In a nutshell, where IPL would see itself in a decade's time would be a run time of 6 months with more than 10 teams playing each other on a weekly basis much like football leagues around the world. It would then leave a 6 month window for international cricket whereby world tournaments, Ashes and other bilaterals could be conducted.

If you agree that is what IPL is aiming for then let me know is this good for international cricket?

 

[Technics 1210]

Actually it is the other way around.

The IPL is held in May to avoid clash with Ashes so that CA and ECB do not have to face the embarrassment of playing an Ashes series with their reserve squads.

IPL holds all the cards because it has all the money, and professional cricketers do not think like fans.

When push comes to shove, all this talk of honoring international cricket and having pride in playing for your country etc. means nothing. It is all about money.

The Ashes meant everything to the generation of Australian and English players whose heads were not swayed by IPL money.

The destruction of international cricket is not in BCCI’s interest anyway. After all, these overseas stars are recruited mainly from international cricket and Team India is a giant of a cricket team.

However, let’s not labor under the delusion that the IPL window exists to protect IPL from playing with reserve players. It is the other way around - the IPL window exists because it is essential to ensure that none of the big teams play international cricket with their reserve players.

IPL can be scheduled any time and it will be grab the bigger percentage of the best active players in the world. The window is for international cricket and not IPL.

Josh Hazlewood opted out of the 2021 IPL season to prepare for Ashes.

https://www.skysports.com/cricket/n...of-ipl-to-rest-up-for-ashes-and-t20-world-cup

Jofra Archer decided to skip second half of IPL 2021 to prepare for Ashes

https://cricketaddictor.com/cricket...for-ashes-and-t20-world-cup-chris-silverwood/

Keep dreaming Mamoon.

 

[90MPH]

True. It is the greatest spectacle in the cricket calendar along with the ICC tournaments.

Nope, it’s a tamasha spectacle for domestic Indian audiences and no one else.

Fooling no one with your pro BCCI propaganda

 

[Mamoon]

I'm not going to get into debate over the argument of international cricket benefitting through IPL or not. In a nutshell, where IPL would see itself in a decade's time would be a run time of 6 months with more than 10 teams playing each other on a weekly basis much like football leagues around the world. It would then leave a 6 month window for international cricket whereby world tournaments, Ashes and other bilaterals could be conducted.

If you agree that is what IPL is aiming for then let me know is this good for international cricket?

Personally speaking, I love the IPL and prefer it to nonsense filler series between mediocre teams like Pakistan, Sri Lanka, Bangladesh, West Indies, Zimbabwe etc.

So 6 months of IPL + 6 months of ICC tournaments/Ashes/India vs Australia/India vs England/Big 3 vs NZ etc. is great for me.

And considering the fact that teams like Pakistan, Sri Lanka, Bangladesh, Zimbabwe etc. have very players in IPL collectively, so nothing is going to stop them from playing each other during IPL as well as having other leagues.

Besides, if Pakistani players are allowed to play in IPL in the future, I would rather have them play in IPL instead of playing poor quality bilateral series with teams like Sri Lanka, Bangladesh, Zimbabwe etc.

If this is the future of cricket, so be it. Cricket fans should go with the flow instead of making futile attempts to resist change, which is the only constant.

Future generations of cricket fans will grow up and love the game which will be dominated by IPL. We will not be around 50 years from now, so who cares if we don’t like it.

We do not matter and life will go on. Cricket will continue to attract billions of fans.

 

[Mamoon]

Josh Hazlewood opted out of the 2021 IPL season to prepare for Ashes.

https://www.skysports.com/cricket/n...of-ipl-to-rest-up-for-ashes-and-t20-world-cup

Jofra Archer decided to skip second half of IPL 2021 to prepare for Ashes

https://cricketaddictor.com/cricket...for-ashes-and-t20-world-cup-chris-silverwood/

Keep dreaming Mamoon.

These are just two examples. They do not represent the sentiment of their respective teams. Besides, it is not a regular occurrence anyway.

If IPL and Ashes continue to clash with each other very year, there is no doubt that Ashes will struggle because of the money that IPL has to offer.

Anyway, I don’t have to dream about this situation anyway. The IPL will never try to hurt the Ashes and other big international series. That is why it has a window to protect international cricket.

No one is stopping small teams like Pakistan, Sri Lanka, Bangladesh etc. from playing each other during IPL. It is happening already anyway.

 

[Mamoon]

Nope, it’s a tamasha spectacle for domestic Indian audiences and no one else.

Fooling no one with your pro BCCI propaganda

Tamasha spectacle where 99% of the best players play. I love such tamasha and hope to see more of it.

“Real” cricket fans can enjoy their “real” cricket such as Zimbabwe vs Pakistan and Sri Lanka vs Bangladesh Test series.

 

[Technics 1210]

These are just two examples. They do not represent the sentiment of their respective teams. Besides, it is not a regular occurrence anyway.

If IPL and Ashes continue to clash with each other very year, there is no doubt that Ashes will struggle because of the money that IPL has to offer.

Anyway, I don’t have to dream about this situation anyway. The IPL will never try to hurt the Ashes and other big international series. That is why it has a window to protect international cricket.

No one is stopping small teams like Pakistan, Sri Lanka, Bangladesh etc. from playing each other during IPL. It is happening already anyway.

One example was enough to falsify your theory, but the links prove that Eng/Oz players do rate the Ashes above money from a tamasha league.

Furthermore, if a player performs well in the Ashes, not only are they awarded bonuses, but endorsements and sponserships too, which dwarf IPL earnings.

You made the claim that the BCCI will not hold the IPL at the same time as the Ashes so that England and Australia will avoid the embarrassment of playing the Ashes with their reserve squads, well, it is you has embarrassed himself now; hardly anything new for you.

As I said, dream on, we all can see what a nightmare the last few days has been for you with the IPL canned.

While you may sell your country for a paltry price, others value their country over IPL cheerleaders.

 

[Extra_Cover]

Personally speaking, I love the IPL and prefer it to nonsense filler series between mediocre teams like Pakistan, Sri Lanka, Bangladesh, West Indies, Zimbabwe etc.

So 6 months of IPL + 6 months of ICC tournaments/Ashes/India vs Australia/India vs England/Big 3 vs NZ etc. is great for me.

And considering the fact that teams like Pakistan, Sri Lanka, Bangladesh, Zimbabwe etc. have very players in IPL collectively, so nothing is going to stop them from playing each other during IPL as well as having other leagues.

Besides, if Pakistani players are allowed to play in IPL in the future, I would rather have them play in IPL instead of playing poor quality bilateral series with teams like Sri Lanka, Bangladesh, Zimbabwe etc.

If this is the future of cricket, so be it. Cricket fans should go with the flow instead of making futile attempts to resist change, which is the only constant.

Future generations of cricket fans will grow up and love the game which will be dominated by IPL. We will not be around 50 years from now, so who cares if we don’t like it.

We do not matter and life will go on. Cricket will continue to attract billions of fans.

You are contradicting yourself massively here. In your first post the part I highlighted you argued for IPL being for protection of international cricket. In this post of yours you are submitting to the fact that IPL would replace international cricket in future. What do you truly believe in?

Moreover as you agree that you would love 6 months of IPL plus 6 months of Big 3 cricket then surely then certainly it would work best for you. For someone like me who doesn't watch IPL then surely I would start watching less and less of cricket and this would be the case in majority of second tier cricket nations. So tell me this how would this help international cricket?

Rich being richer while poor goes poorer is basically how the world works so I do not blame you for shortsightedness. I'm just making a mark here that BCCI is not visionary for cricket itself with IPL product being a visionary is different from being rich.

 

[Smbhayi]

IPL is a circus league where foreign players gather up to make money out of Indian pockets against putting half the effort they are actually capable of. That comes with bonuses like parties, rubbing shoulders with bookies etc and what not

Wow then what would be like Pollard's full capacity?

 

[Technics 1210]

England cricketers told internationals take priority over IPL duty

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2...arts-says-ashley-giles?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

Excerpt

England players are likely to be ruled out of the Indian Premier League’s mooted resumption later this year following an insistence from Ashley Giles, their team director, that international cricket now takes priority. An outbreak of Covid-19 among the IPL’s franchises forced the tournament to be indefinitely suspended last week with 31 games still outstanding and now organisers are eyeing a possible September restart ahead of the T20 World Cup a month later.

If so it would be a clash with England’s six-match white-ball tour of Bangladesh, due to depart on 20 September, and two additional Twenty20s in Pakistan on 14 and 15 October, both of which are viewed as key preparation for the global event. But while there is uncertainty over which country will host this rearranged IPL – as well as the T20 World Cup that is currently due to take place in India – Giles expects England’s white-ball players to be busy regardless.

Well well. Not only have ECB snubbed the IPL, but it wasn’t because of preparation for the Ashes, but a series vs Bangladesh, but 2 matches vs. Pakistan!

This is the auqaat of the IPL [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION]

International cricket ——- daylight ———-IPL.

 

[Mamoon]

England cricketers told internationals take priority over IPL duty

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2...arts-says-ashley-giles?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

Excerpt



Well well. Not only have ECB snubbed the IPL, but it wasn’t because of preparation for the Ashes, but a series vs Bangladesh, but 2 matches vs. Pakistan!

This is the auqaat of the IPL [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION]

International cricket ——- daylight ———-IPL.

We have seen such statements from cricket boards before, but it is ultimately the players that hold the power.

The top white ball cricketers of England will prefer to play in the IPL over playing a useless series against Bangladesh or Pakistan.

If Bairstow, Stokes, Buttler, Roy, Morgan, Archer etc. pull out of those series to play in IPL, what will the ECB do? Nothing. They cannot afford to axe these players from the setup, so they will play their reserve players and have these players back in the fold for the World T20.

IPL is simply doing what WSC did from 1977 to 1979, i.e. provide competition to international cricket by recruiting the best players in the world.

Thanks to WSC, cricketers are no longer enslaved by their respective cricket boards. They are the ones who hold the power now because you can replace cricket board executives but you cannot replace elite cricketers.

Cricket leagues are simply building on the foundation that WSC built, i.e. provide competition to international cricket by providing players with an alternative.

Perhaps if money hungry players like Imran Khan, Viv Richards, Miandad, Zaheer Abbas, Holding, Marshall, Roberts, Lloyd etc. did not turn their backs on their boards and did not get seduced by Kerry Packer’s $$$, players would not have so much power today, Test cricket would still be the premier format and tv broadcasters and investors would not be influencing the sport so much.

And the auqaat of IPL is that it has forced ICC to create a window for it. If there is no IPL window, it will sabotage international cricket because of the money it offers to the players.

 

[Technics 1210]

We have seen such statements from cricket boards before, but it is ultimately the players that hold the power.

The top white ball cricketers of England will prefer to play in the IPL over playing a useless series against Bangladesh or Pakistan.

If Bairstow, Stokes, Buttler, Roy, Morgan, Archer etc. pull out of those series to play in IPL, what will the ECB do? Nothing. They cannot afford to axe these players from the setup, so they will play their reserve players and have these players back in the fold for the World T20.

IPL is simply doing what WSC did from 1977 to 1979, i.e. provide competition to international cricket by recruiting the best players in the world.

Thanks to WSC, cricketers are no longer enslaved by their respective cricket boards. They are the ones who hold the power now because you can replace cricket board executives but you cannot replace elite cricketers.

Cricket leagues are simply building on the foundation that WSC built, i.e. provide competition to international cricket by providing players with an alternative.

Perhaps if money hungry players like Imran Khan, Viv Richards, Miandad, Zaheer Abbas, Holding, Marshall, Roberts, Lloyd etc. did not turn their backs on their boards and did not get seduced by Kerry Packer’s $$$, players would not have so much power today, Test cricket would still be the premier format and tv broadcasters and investors would not be influencing the sport so much.

And the auqaat of IPL is that it has forced ICC to create a window for it. If there is no IPL window, it will sabotage international cricket because of the money it offers to the players.

Resistance is futile Mamoon.

The remarkable aspect out of this is that ECB preferred ‘meaningless’ international games against mediocre teams, not even the Ashes.

This has got to hurt, not just you at a personal level, but also destroy your outlandish claim.