Will Khalistan ever get its independence?

[JaDed]

Also sometime this year or previous year, it was decided that the sanitation workers in chandigarh be given free gps enabled watches, so that their location can be monitored. The workers went on strike saying that the watch causes vomiting and irritation of skin, and demanded it to be removed. The municipalities have 100s of sanitation workers, but the cities are still unclean. The reason is they don't work and started protesting when their work was going to be monitored. Just one of those indian things.

) omg do you have a link for that

 

[JaDed]

) omg do you have a link for that

Got it thanks!

 

[CricketCartoons]

Didnt know about IT companies, I guess the bias in me tells that atleast they create jobs, Air India there were rumors that their employees wanted to buy?

https://www.ch-aviation.com/portal/news/98158-209-employees-to-bid-for-air-india

I grew up in bengal and saw every factory close down one by one. Poonjiwadi (capitalist) was a slur. Every monday or friday would be a bengal bandh. Now there are no jobs, and people migrate to other states in search of livelihood. When there were factories, the trade unions would not let them work.

My hometown was built during the british era, and the hospital, bungalows, polo ground, club were all built during british time. The roads were well maintained when I was a kid, and big bollywood stars would come to perform in that small little town no one knows about anymore. The factory, which was the lifeline of the town closed, and it is a ghost town now, and now youtubers are making vlogs on those abandoned british time bungalows as haunted.

 

[JaDed]

I grew up in bengal and saw every factory close down one by one. Poonjiwadi (capitalist) was a slur. Every monday or friday would be a bengal bandh. Now there are no jobs, and people migrate to other states in search of livelihood. When there were factories, the trade unions would not let them work.

My hometown was built during the british era, and the hospital, bungalows, polo ground, club were all built during british time. The roads were well maintained when I was a kid, and big bollywood stars would come to perform in that small little town no one knows about anymore. The factory, which was the lifeline of the town closed, and it is a ghost town now, and now youtubers are making vlogs on those abandoned british time bungalows as haunted.

I completely believe in free markets, unfortunately US is also not free anymore but atleast there are many Libertarians around fighting for it, the only Libertarian party in India i think is Swarna Bharat party lol.

Guess Bengalis love theory and not practicals, cant believe they gave into socialism.

 

[CricketCartoons]

I completely believe in free markets, unfortunately US is also not free anymore but atleast there are many Libertarians around fighting for it, the only Libertarian party in India i think is Swarna Bharat party lol.

Guess Bengalis love theory and not practicals, cant believe they gave into socialism.

I support socialism, my fees were waived off in school, including the school bus fees, although not because of any govt scheme, but the christian brothers ( a local goon who beat up the school principal is a big minister in mamata banerjee's govt now). It should go to the weaker sections. But this blanket imagery of evil capitalist led to changing west bengal from an industrial hub to waste bengal. Now my neighbours who enjoyed a good life but loved doing strikes, are working as security guards in far off states.

 

[JaDed]

I support socialism, my fees were waived off in school, including the school bus fees, although not because of any govt scheme, but the christian brothers ( a local goon who beat up the school principal is a big minister in mamata banerjee's govt now). It should go to the weaker sections. But this blanket imagery of evil capitalist led to changing west bengal from an industrial hub to waste bengal. Now my neighbours who enjoyed a good life but loved doing strikes, are working as security guards in far off states.

Lol, that is definition of Libertarian Education where its upto the institute.

Education and Healthcare is still where am
not decided entirely but no thanks for socialism on anything else.

 

[CricketCartoons]

Lol, that is definition of Libertarian Education where its upto the institute.

Education and Healthcare is still where am
not decided entirely but no thanks for socialism on anything else.

In 2003, the steel factory was shut down by trade unions and the officers who spread the rumours that if workers dont take voluntary retirement, they will lose all their provident fund as well. So all workers including my father took voluntary retirement, while all their money was divided among the local politicians and officers. So because of these cholbe na goons, we had no money and no future, and my father became an invalid because he could never get over losing his provident fund and some more years of work which he would have got if the local trade unions and politicians didnt force it to close down.

 

[JaDed]

In 2003, the steel factory was shut down by trade unions and the officers who spread the rumours that if workers dont take voluntary retirement, they will lose all their provident fund as well. So all workers including my father took voluntary retirement, while all their money was divided among the local politicians and officers. So because of these cholbe na goons, we had no money and no future, and my father became an invalid because he could never get over losing his provident fund and some more years of work which he would have got if the local trade unions and politicians didnt force it to close down.

Sorry to know.

 

[nextover666666]

Would be interesting to see if they ever to get their independence what sort of cricket team they would have, I would imagine it would be a good one. At the same time if Khalistan became a country and wanted its own Team, Would ICC allow it, since they are controlled by BCCI.

 

[BreadPakoda]

Would be interesting to see if they ever to get their independence what sort of cricket team they would have, I would imagine it would be a good one. At the same time if Khalistan became a country and wanted its own Team, Would ICC allow it, since they are controlled by BCCI.

Well, BCCI / ICC allows Pakistan to have their own team and even hold matches at their home grounds at times.

 

[nextover666666]

Well, BCCI / ICC allows Pakistan to have their own team and even hold matches at their home grounds at times.

Pakistan had its team since a long time ago, its not really the same thing if a new team is to come into play, and its a country that used to be part of India, would they truly allow it.

 

[PakLFC]

With Modi having pleased the protesting farmers the Khalistan movements is dead for the foreseeable future. The Sikh's will returning to their mud huts from Saturday.

As Sikh's are few in numbers it will take their entire population to fight for Khalistan. Currently I would say not even half of the Sikh people want it.

 

[SpiritOf1903]

It's capital will be Lahore. Rawalpindi it's soul. Pakistan playing proxy politics lol.

 

[PakLFC]

It's capital will be Lahore. Rawalpindi it's soul. Pakistan playing proxy politics lol.

Not possible when there are hardly any Sikh's in Lahore or Rawalpindi. Much more likely Pak will take over the entire Indian Punjab making Sikh's our loyal subjects.

 

[SpiritOf1903]

Not possible when there are hardly any Sikh's in Lahore or Rawalpindi. Much more likely Pak will take over the entire Indian Punjab making Sikh's our loyal subjects.

Except that's never happened and the most dominant empire in Punjab was sikh misl. Kartarpur is the corridor if they want to ever surge

 

[PakLFC]

Except that's never happened and the most dominant empire in Punjab was sikh misl. Kartarpur is the corridor if they want to ever surge

What? Of course the Sikh's were under the Mughals. Even many Sikh Guru's were killed by the Mughal's not that I am condoning that. Once again there are hardly any Sikh's in the entire Pakistan so any silly dreams and the Sikh's will be put in their place very easily. They can see their temples then return home to India or Khalistan if there ever is one.

There current state is being thrown out of Afghanistan and begging for jobs in the UAE.

 

[SpiritOf1903]

What? Of course the Sikh's were under the Mughals. Even many Sikh Guru's were killed by the Mughal's not that I am condoning that. Once again there are hardly any Sikh's in the entire Pakistan so any silly dreams and the Sikh's will be put in their place very easily. They can see their temples then return home to India or Khalistan if there ever is one.

There current state is being thrown out of Afghanistan and begging for jobs in the UAE.

They were borne out of Mughal oppression but once they created a solid identity and centralised in Punjab, it was the start of the misl which peaked with the brutality of ranjit.If the British never defeated them, there'd be no Pakistan in its current guise; not the country it is with the vast Islamic heritage. Yet still large parts of India have greater Islamic heritage but much of the iconic landmarks are in what became Pakistan.

 

[PakLFC]

They were borne out of Mughal oppression but once they created a solid identity and centralised in Punjab, it was the start of the misl which peaked with the brutality of ranjit.If the British never defeated them, there'd be no Pakistan in its current guise; not the country it is with the vast Islamic heritage. Yet still large parts of India have greater Islamic heritage but much of the iconic landmarks are in what became Pakistan.

Not sure what you are on about here? Pakistan was created by Jinnah and Iqbal, it has nothing to do with the Sikhs. If the British had not defeated the Moghul's the Sikh's and Hindu's would still have been subjects of Moghul India. In conclusion, we know that the Moghuls lost power to the Brits not the Sikh's then later on Pak was formed on the land that the Sikh's consider as being holy.

What exactly is your point here? Back to the issue there is no Khalistan and most likely if it ever came in to existence Pakistan and the Muslims will play a major part in it's creation. For now the Sikh's have returned to their little mud huts on their tractors happy that they have defeated Modi.

The skyline of the entire subcontinent is dominated much more by minarets then Sikh temples. They should first liberate themselves from the yolk of Brahmins before anything else. I have seen many Sikh decry how they do not have a country of their own.

 

[Cover Drive Six]

Independence in dreams..

 

[Napa]

Not sure what you are on about here? Pakistan was created by Jinnah and Iqbal, it has nothing to do with the Sikhs. If the British had not defeated the Moghul's the Sikh's and Hindu's would still have been subjects of Moghul India. In conclusion, we know that the Moghuls lost power to the Brits not the Sikh's

Your knowledge of history is embarrassingly poor. The Mughals ceased to exist as the dominant power long before the British acquired power. Aurangzeb died in 1707 and by 1719 the Maratha army had reached Delhi.

The Mughals were utter failures in protecting Delhi when Nader Shah ransacked it in 1739.

British rule first began in a part of India with their victory in the Battle of Plassey. At that time the strongest military force was that of the Maratha Confederacy.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maratha_Empire

I really have to wonder where you learned such distorted history.
[MENTION=76058]cricketjoshila[/MENTION] [MENTION=151383]Local.Dada[/MENTION] [MENTION=134505]rhony[/MENTION]

 

[Napa]

Battle of Plassey was fought in 1757

Read this also:
“Capture of Delhi (1771)”
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capture_of_Delhi_(1771)

 

[PakLFC]

Your knowledge of history is embarrassingly poor. The Mughals ceased to exist as the dominant power long before the British acquired power. Aurangzeb died in 1707 and by 1719 the Maratha army had reached Delhi.

The Mughals were utter failures in protecting Delhi when Nader Shah ransacked it in 1739.

British rule first began in a part of India with their victory in the Battle of Plassey. At that time the strongest military force was that of the Maratha Confederacy.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maratha_Empire

I really have to wonder where you learned such distorted history.

[MENTION=76058]cricketjoshila[/MENTION] [MENTION=151383]Local.Dada[/MENTION] [MENTION=134505]rhony[/MENTION]

Sure your rubbish of India being one big happy family before the Mughal invasion is your comfort zone. I don't need any lectures from ignorant and mislead Indian people on history. You lot hate being challenged don't you??

Mughal's were not one big happy family either as you seem to suggest. There were many factions to them and internal disputes during their entire rule. It is shocking to see how brainwashed you people are by the Hindutva family, i am sure you believe the subcontinent was a big Hindu success under the likes of Ashoka who probably never existed in the first place.

Keep your boring Wikipedia links to yourself. My sources are much more mature and trustworthy. I did not say that the Mughal rule was hundreds of years of massive success. I always stand by what I believe in as you should know from my previous posts.

 

[PakLFC]

Back to the subject of this thread. Khalistan only looks good in Canada or Birmingham, UK. Most Sikh's I know have very little interest in it. Yeah sure every now and again you will see some parade with a party atmosphere. Once it is over everyone returns home to normal life forgetting all about it.

Quaid Jinnah was absolutely correct when calling the Sikh's "politically immature". What the Sikh's lack is leadership to get the job done.

 

[Napa]

Sure your rubbish of India being one big happy family before the Mughal invasion is your comfort zone. I don't need any lectures from ignorant and mislead Indian people on history. You lot hate being challenged don't you??

Mughal's were not one big happy family either as you seem to suggest. There were many factions to them and internal disputes during their entire rule. It is shocking to see how brainwashed you people are by the Hindutva family, i am sure you believe the subcontinent was a big Hindu success under the likes of Ashoka who probably never existed in the first place.

Keep your boring Wikipedia links to yourself. My sources are much more mature and trustworthy. I did not say that the Mughal rule was hundreds of years of massive success. I always stand by what I believe in as you should know from my previous posts.

A wise man once said "if you are in a hole, stop digging" )

 

[PakLFC]

A wise man once said "if you are in a hole, stop digging" )

That quote applies to people like you who only understand history through Indian news channels

 

[Napa]

That quote applies to people like you who only understand history through Indian news channels

Yes, Encyclopedia Britannica and Wikipedia are Indian news channels.

According to you the truth is that if it were not for the British, the Mughals would have continued ruling Hindus, Sikhs, Muslims etc. in India. Indian News channels apparently invented the story that in 1719, an army of Marathas marched to Delhi after defeating Sayyid Hussain Ali, the Mughal governor of Deccan, and deposed the Mughal emperor. Indian News channels invented the story that Maharaja Ranjit Singh defeated his enemies and created the Sikh Empire in Punjab which had once been under Mughal rule. The list goes on...

Do continue living in your world of delusion, but no more replies from me.

 

[PakLFC]

Yes, Encyclopedia Britannica and Wikipedia are Indian news channels.

According to you the truth is that if it were not for the British, the Mughals would have continued ruling Hindus, Sikhs, Muslims etc. in India. Indian News channels apparently invented the story that in 1719, an army of Marathas marched to Delhi after defeating Sayyid Hussain Ali, the Mughal governor of Deccan, and deposed the Mughal emperor. Indian News channels invented the story that Maharaja Ranjit Singh defeated his enemies and created the Sikh Empire in Punjab which had once been under Mughal rule. The list goes on...

Do continue living in your world of delusion, but no more replies from me.

They are anti Muslim and western channels you are referring too. No wrong again as always! According to me all empires come to an end and the Mughal one would have fallen sooner or later as well. Where do people like you go when so many independent sources question your nonsense of Indi being eternal? What on earth does that even mean tell me that?

So what if the Mughal's were defeated during their rule in some wars when they did rule India for centuries. Within that period they did lose some wars yet remained the dominant force in the region no doubt about it.

Yeah better not to reply any further instead runaway like you always do when the heat in the kitchen is getting too much for you. Don't even start on the stupidity that are the Indian news channels.

 

[hoshiarpurexpress]

A lot of wishful thinking and pipe dreams from Pakistanis to see Punjab split from India.
It is never going to happen.
As I am typing currently from my home town, Hoshiarpur right now and meeting my friends and old peeps, no one here thinks about splitting from India, no government in power has ever spoken about this movement and supported the Khalistanis.
Punjab, WAS, IS, and WILL remain and integral part of INDIA. No power in the world can change that.
People of my land are serving in the Army, have given our blood and tears for independence of India and will not let these idiot Khalistanis represent us. They are just guns for hire, a splinter group which has been shut down for good in India, and is surviving with money from ISI abroad. They can go to hell.

 

[NishanKonar]

A lot of wishful thinking and pipe dreams from Pakistanis to see Punjab split from India.
It is never going to happen.
As I am typing currently from my home town, Hoshiarpur right now and meeting my friends and old peeps, no one here thinks about splitting from India, no government in power has ever spoken about this movement and supported the Khalistanis.
Punjab, WAS, IS, and WILL remain and integral part of INDIA. No power in the world can change that.
People of my land are serving in the Army, have given our blood and tears for independence of India and will not let these idiot Khalistanis represent us. They are just guns for hire, a splinter group which has been shut down for good in India, and is surviving with money from ISI abroad. They can go to hell.

There is a strong pro Khalistan sentiment in places like Southall ( UK ), Brampton and Surrey ( Canada ) and Yuba City ( California ) which often colors the perception of many Pakistanis. Its creates that perception that Khalistan sentiment must be equally strong in Indian Punjab

So its hard for many Pakistanis to believe that there is actually little pro Khalistan sentiment on the ground.

 

[hoshiarpurexpress]

There is a strong pro Khalistan sentiment in places like Southall ( UK ), Brampton and Surrey ( Canada ) and Yuba City ( California ) which often colors the perception of many Pakistanis. Its creates that perception that Khalistan sentiment must be equally strong in Indian Punjab

So its hard for many Pakistanis to believe that there is actually little pro Khalistan sentiment on the ground.

Yeah i mean they always seem to find Indian friends who agree with their world viewpoint.
I grew up in Hoshiarpur, Have lived close to 25 years here for my education and now i visit my family yearly for a month or so. No one here even thinks of Khalistan and there is no statement from local politicians as well. There were 2-3 idiots, which you will find anywhere in the world, who used to idolise Bhindrawalan, especially but they are absolute minority.

For us, the Punjabi and Indian identity is just seamless.

 

[Napa]

There is a strong pro Khalistan sentiment in places like Southall ( UK ), Brampton and Surrey ( Canada ) and Yuba City ( California ) which often colors the perception of many Pakistanis. Its creates that perception that Khalistan sentiment must be equally strong in Indian Punjab

So its hard for many Pakistanis to believe that there is actually little pro Khalistan sentiment on the ground.

Surrey, Brampton, Southall and Yoba City would make a great Khalistan.

 

[silentkiller187]

There is a strong pro Khalistan sentiment in places like Southall ( UK ), Brampton and Surrey ( Canada ) and Yuba City ( California ) which often colors the perception of many Pakistanis. Its creates that perception that Khalistan sentiment must be equally strong in Indian Punjab

So its hard for many Pakistanis to believe that there is actually little pro Khalistan sentiment on the ground.

i live not too far from southall and saw lots of protesters on a regular basis during the weekends, with their tractors out etc, a lot of them were chanting anti indian slogans to modi etc, however speaking to actual indians it seems the same feeling amongst sikhs in india is different , could it be the sikh expats have more of a gripe for khalistan then the ones actually living in the territory?

 

[NishanKonar]

i live not too far from southall and saw lots of protesters on a regular basis during the weekends, with their tractors out etc, a lot of them were chanting anti indian slogans to modi etc, however speaking to actual indians it seems the same feeling amongst sikhs in india is different , could it be the sikh expats have more of a gripe for khalistan then the ones actually living in the territory?

Expat Sikhs can say anything bcoz thy wont face any consequences. In India Sikhs know a return to those dark days of 80s is not something anybody wants. It will again start a cycle of wanton violence that will wreck another generation of Punjab. Not to forget there are millions of Sikhs living outside Punjab and doing very well. Many of India's leading business tycoons, military general and Bollywood stars are Sikh. why create unnecessary violence and ruin your future

By and large most Sikhs understand that this Khalistan thing will just destroy another generation. So better stay away from it

 

[nextover666666]

A lot of wishful thinking and pipe dreams from Pakistanis to see Punjab split from India.
It is never going to happen.
As I am typing currently from my home town, Hoshiarpur right now and meeting my friends and old peeps, no one here thinks about splitting from India, no government in power has ever spoken about this movement and supported the Khalistanis.
Punjab, WAS, IS, and WILL remain and integral part of INDIA. No power in the world can change that.
People of my land are serving in the Army, have given our blood and tears for independence of India and will not let these idiot Khalistanis represent us. They are just guns for hire, a splinter group which has been shut down for good in India, and is surviving with money from ISI abroad. They can go to hell.

just because YOU say it will not happen does not mean it is the reality. One day the Sikhs will have their own land and be free, and they deserve it.

 

[gani999]

just because YOU say it will not happen does not mean it is the reality. One day the Sikhs will have their own land and be free, and they deserve it.

Yes, the Sikhs will one day re-establish Maharaja Ranjit Singh's Sarkar -e-khalsa with Lahore as capital.

 

[nextover666666]

Yes, the Sikhs will one day re-establish Maharaja Ranjit Singh's Sarkar -e-khalsa with Lahore as capital.

Make all the jokes you like, Khalistan capital will be Chandigarh

 

[hoshiarpurexpress]

just because YOU say it will not happen does not mean it is the reality. One day the Sikhs will have their own land and be free, and they deserve it.

I am a Sikh.I grew up in Punjab. Once again a delusional statement.
So you will tell me the reality of my people lol…

 

[hoshiarpurexpress]

just because YOU say it will not happen does not mean it is the reality. One day the Sikhs will have their own land and be free, and they deserve it.

We Sikhs already have our land as part of our India. It is called State of Punjab, Part of the Indian Union.
We know what we deserve. Take care of your own people in your country first before thinking about us.

 

[nextover666666]

We Sikhs already have our land as part of our India. It is called State of Punjab, Part of the Indian Union.
We know what we deserve. Take care of your own people in your country first before thinking about us.

Not all sikhs will want freedom from India, or not all sikhs realize it yet why its important, only with time you will realize what I am saying brother, its nothing bad i promise you, its for your own people. At the end of the day if the sikhs are free or not, it does not change anything for me personally. If you want to stay with India, and their are other sikhs who want to stay that is no issue at all, But you do not speak for ALL the SIKHS of India, believe me their is a lot who want to have freedom

 

[hoshiarpurexpress]

Not all sikhs will want freedom from India, or not all sikhs realize it yet why its important, only with time you will realize what I am saying brother, its nothing bad i promise you, its for your own people. At the end of the day if the sikhs are free or not, it does not change anything for me personally. If you want to stay with India, and their are other sikhs who want to stay that is no issue at all, But you do not speak for ALL the SIKHS of India, believe me their is a lot who want to have freedom

Lol again with the trope. People living in Punjab don’t speak about this. I mean I am currently here in my homeland and I don’t know and you know better. What kind of delusional thinking is this?
Khalistanis do not represent us.

 

[Technics 1210]

Yes Khalistan will gain independence. Pretender Sikhs sitting on India’s side of the border of this generation can say otherwise, but operation Blue Star is well and truly ingrained in the memories of real Sikhs for generations to come.

India is destined to be carved up into pieces. 3 pieces already, 4th impending.

 

[SpiritOf1903]

Yes Khalistan will gain independence. Pretender Sikhs sitting on India’s side of the border of this generation can say otherwise, but operation Blue Star is well and truly ingrained in the memories of real Sikhs for generations to come.

India is destined to be carved up into pieces. 3 pieces already, 4th impending.

If they do get a state It'll be as powerful as Israel. Per capita amongst the most billionaires of any group and millionaires two a penny.

How Pakistanis think it is in their interest is beyond delusional

 

[nextover666666]

Lol again with the trope. People living in Punjab don’t speak about this. I mean I am currently here in my homeland and I don’t know and you know better. What kind of delusional thinking is this?
Khalistanis do not represent us.

So you speak for all Sikhs, you know what ever single Sikh is thinking or what they wish for, Now who is being delusional. You might know 100 sikhs, or even 1000 sikhs in your city who agree with your thinking, but again that Does not speak for all the Sikhs in India, or across the world.

 

[nextover666666]

If they do get a state It'll be as powerful as Israel. Per capita amongst the most billionaires of any group and millionaires two a penny.

How Pakistanis think it is in their interest is beyond delusional

This has nothing to do with Pakistan interest, at the end of the day if Khalistan becomes a country or not it does not change much for Pakistan, this is for the sikhs who are asking for freedom from India.

 

[Technics 1210]

If they do get a state It'll be as powerful as Israel. Per capita amongst the most billionaires of any group and millionaires two a penny.

How Pakistanis think it is in their interest is beyond delusional

The capital of Punjab will always be Lahore. It was Sikhs who relocated the Golden Temple. And Yes Sikhs are millionaires, mostly outside of ' Incredible' India. Hmmm wonder why.

 

[street cricketer]

If they do get a state It'll be as powerful as Israel. Per capita amongst the most billionaires of any group and millionaires two a penny.

How Pakistanis think it is in their interest is beyond delusional

Most of the holy Sikh sites I heard were actually in Pakistan rather than India, minus the Golden temple. And of course, historically Sikhs ruled a good chunk of what's Pakistani Punjab today, so I've no idea why some Pakistanis are passionate to kick start a non existent Khalistani insurgency in India when it only exists outside India among British and Canadian Sikhs and not inside it.

 

[Giannis]

Most of the holy Sikh sites I heard were actually in Pakistan rather than India, minus the Golden temple. And of course, historically Sikhs ruled a good chunk of what's Pakistani Punjab today, so I've no idea why some Pakistanis are passionate to kick start a non existent Khalistani insurgency in India when it only exists outside India among British and Canadian Sikhs and not inside it.

Lol Indians are so delusional, your statement is the most oft repeated ones Indians make about the Khaalistan movement - they think it's only a diaspora phenonomeon, yet why do fresh off the boat Sikhs from India not identify as Indian, why are so many Sikh international students in America pro-indepdence/autonomy and are really critical of the Indian govt? This is not a fringe movement, a significant number of Indian Punjabi Sikhs don't identify with India, they're just not outrightly pro-separation for pragmatic reasons.

 

[street cricketer]

Lol Indians are so delusional, your statement is the most oft repeated ones Indians make about the Khaalistan movement - they think it's only a diaspora phenonomeon, yet why do fresh off the boat Sikhs from India not identify as Indian, why are so many Sikh international students in America pro-indepdence/autonomy and are really critical of the Indian govt? This is not a fringe movement, a significant number of Indian Punjabi Sikhs don't identify with India, they're just not outrightly pro-separation for pragmatic reasons.

You're lumping up a lot of issues together.

"Why are Sikh international students really critical of the Indian govt?"

Indian govt is not India and you'd find even more number of Tamils and other south Indians being critical of the ruling party and Hindu fundamentalism in India - doesn't mean there's an active insurgency going on in the southern states to secede from India. Punjab is one of the few Indian states along with a few in the south where the BJP is not the ruling party, of course they'd criticise the government, especially after the farm laws.

Punjab is one of the richest states in India and if it had any actual insurgency in their state, the state would be an unstable region and have plenty of Indian soldiers on the ground like in the Kashmiri valley. The problem is a lot of Pakistanis see it as a black and white thing and imagine the Sikhs criticising India means they want to secede from India. Punjab has less insurgency in its state than Balochistan, where you have armed militants attacking the Pakistani army every now and then. How many times have you seen an armed Sikh group attacking the Indian army in India? Heck, if they didn't identify with India, they wouldn't form the bulk of our armed forces lol

 

[Giannis]

You're lumping up a lot of issues together.

"Why are Sikh international students really critical of the Indian govt?"

How you gon' edit my comment and then respond to it like that was my main argument, egghead.

Here's the full quote

"lol Indians are so delusional, your statement is the most oft repeated ones Indians make about the Khaalistan movement - they think it's only a diaspora phenonomeon, yet why do fresh off the boat Sikhs from India not identify as Indian, why are so many Sikh international students in America pro-indepdence/autonomy and are really critical of the Indian govt? "


You don't have an answer for that you don't know why Sikh students in America don't like India and choose not to identify as Indian, you don't have an answer. I could care less what tamil or whatever 12e19313 different races in India think about their govt, this thread is about Khaalistan, don't always make this about your race lmaoo.

 

[street cricketer]

How you gon' edit my comment and then respond to it like that was my main argument, egghead.

Here's the full quote

"lol Indians are so delusional, your statement is the most oft repeated ones Indians make about the Khaalistan movement - they think it's only a diaspora phenonomeon, yet why do fresh off the boat Sikhs from India not identify as Indian, why are so many Sikh international students in America pro-indepdence/autonomy and are really critical of the Indian govt? "


You don't have an answer for that you don't know why Sikh students in America don't like India and choose not to identify as Indian, you don't have an answer. I could care less what tamil or whatever 12e19313 different races in India think about their govt, this thread is about Khaalistan, don't always make this about your race lmaoo.

I didn't bother with that argument because it was beyond stupid and based on your anecdotal experience. You say "fresh off the boat" Sikhs do not identify as Indian and proceeded to give zero evidence to back up that claim - was there any survey conducted to determine what percentage of "fresh off the boat" Sikh students identify as Indian or otherwise? How would one know if it's a fact or something you pulled out of your backside in one of your juvenile crusades to 0wn an Indian online?

And then you talk about "Sikh international students" in America wanting independence. Does this body comprise exclusively of fresh off the boat Indian Sikh immigrants to America or does it include children of Sikh expats in North America as well? 2nd and 3rd generation Sikh students will of course want Punjab to secede from the Indian union.

All you need is the slightest bit of common sense to ask yourself the simple question that if there was an active insurgency running in Punjab, why are there no armed Sikh outfits fighting against the Indian state like it happens in the Kashmir valley or even some states in the north east for that matter. I suppose there's no cure to schizophrenic delusions though.

 

[JaDed]

Lol Indians are so delusional, your statement is the most oft repeated ones Indians make about the Khaalistan movement - they think it's only a diaspora phenonomeon, yet why do fresh off the boat Sikhs from India not identify as Indian, why are so many Sikh international students in America pro-indepdence/autonomy and are really critical of the Indian govt? This is not a fringe movement, a significant number of Indian Punjabi Sikhs don't identify with India, they're just not outrightly pro-separation for pragmatic reasons.

Naw it’s not, you can talk what you want though lol

 

[JaDed]

Most of the holy Sikh sites I heard were actually in Pakistan rather than India, minus the Golden temple. And of course, historically Sikhs ruled a good chunk of what's Pakistani Punjab today, so I've no idea why some Pakistanis are passionate to kick start a non existent Khalistani insurgency in India when it only exists outside India among British and Canadian Sikhs and not inside it.

It’s not actually, Pakistan just has one major, all other important locations are divided all over Northern India from Maharashtra to Bihar.

Himachal has an important one as well.

 

[street cricketer]

Naw it’s not, you can talk what you want though lol

Punjabis sikhs and hindus who have lived their life in India or living there say there's no secessionist movement, but no we have to believe there's an active insurgency happening in Punjab because a Pakistani origin American, who I doubt if he has ever set foot in the subcontinent, says so

 

[RajBan]

i live not too far from southall and saw lots of protesters on a regular basis during the weekends, with their tractors out etc, a lot of them were chanting anti indian slogans to modi etc, however speaking to actual indians it seems the same feeling amongst sikhs in india is different , could it be the sikh expats have more of a gripe for khalistan then the ones actually living in the territory?

The idea of Khalistan is an utopian dream implanted in 70s by pouring money from our the then rich neighbours and hardly resonates with the masses. The movement was not built on sentiments of social discrimination or political victimization but was manufactured.

A lot of these NRI families were on ISI money on 80s who in turn used to brainwash adventurous youth and they had to fled the country during the post Indira period. Ofcourse there are genuinely disgruntled families as well who were innocent but received inhuman treatment from the political gundas but by an large more than 50% of Sikh population in UK and 90% in US disassociates them from these sentiments. In Canada you may see pro Khalistan population more but the younger generation hardly cares.

 

[RajBan]

Naw it’s not, you can talk what you want though lol

The reason why NRPs think that way is because their interpretation of world behaviour is based on what they see happening in their home country. Just because there are some groups in FATA and Balochistan that have anti state sentiments (rightly or wrongly, helped by RAW or otherwise) , they draw equivalents in their neighbouring countries based on that understanding. In UK this limited thought process is even more because the community is relatively less integrated with rest of population and some of their worldviews are shaped by their own hype and some Punjabi brethren from this side of the border.

 

[hoshiarpurexpress]

People who have forgotten, I would like to remind them the names of the Indian brave hearts who helped in killing the Khalistan movement and wiping these A-Grade "Bhaade ke Tattoos" from our motherland :

1. Beant Singh : the man credited with breaking militancy’s choke-hold on Punjab after taking office at its peak.
2. KPS Gill : He served twice as DGP for the state of Punjab, India, where he is credited with having brought the Punjab insurgency under control.
3. Kuldip Singh Brar: The man responsible for kicking the Khalistani Terrorists out of our Holy Temple.

All of them, Proud Sikhs with great love for Mother India.

You can train/fund any number of Khalistani Terrorists, It does not matter.
Indian and Punjabi identity is pretty seamless, same as Telugu/Tamil/Marathi etc.
We may have our differences, but as a country there is no way a split is happening from Indian Union.
Pakistan will never understand that, because the Idea of Pakistan is inherently different from the idea of India.

The idea that religion can bind people together alone, was completely destroyed with Bangladesh creation.
Indian constitution does not impose any such thing. Hence, we are diverse, different but will always be part of Union of India.

 

[hoshiarpurexpress]

How you gon' edit my comment and then respond to it like that was my main argument, egghead.

Here's the full quote

"lol Indians are so delusional, your statement is the most oft repeated ones Indians make about the Khaalistan movement - they think it's only a diaspora phenonomeon, yet why do fresh off the boat Sikhs from India not identify as Indian, why are so many Sikh international students in America pro-indepdence/autonomy and are really critical of the Indian govt? "


You don't have an answer for that you don't know why Sikh students in America don't like India and choose not to identify as Indian, you don't have an answer. I could care less what tamil or whatever 12e19313 different races in India think about their govt, this thread is about Khaalistan, don't always make this about your race lmaoo.

I don't know what Sikhs you meet. All of them I have met, my friends in Melbourne, UK, Spain, USA are Proud Indian Sikhs.

 

[hoshiarpurexpress]

I didn't bother with that argument because it was beyond stupid and based on your anecdotal experience. You say "fresh off the boat" Sikhs do not identify as Indian and proceeded to give zero evidence to back up that claim - was there any survey conducted to determine what percentage of "fresh off the boat" Sikh students identify as Indian or otherwise? How would one know if it's a fact or something you pulled out of your backside in one of your juvenile crusades to 0wn an Indian online?

And then you talk about "Sikh international students" in America wanting independence. Does this body comprise exclusively of fresh off the boat Indian Sikh immigrants to America or does it include children of Sikh expats in North America as well? 2nd and 3rd generation Sikh students will of course want Punjab to secede from the Indian union.

All you need is the slightest bit of common sense to ask yourself the simple question that if there was an active insurgency running in Punjab, why are there no armed Sikh outfits fighting against the Indian state like it happens in the Kashmir valley or even some states in the north east for that matter. I suppose there's no cure to schizophrenic delusions though.

There is not an iota of truth to it. I personally live in Melbourne, and have travelled and mingled with Sikh communities abroad in UK/USA/Canada due to my friends. Went to Gurudwaras, and everyone considers themselves Indians.
2 People talking Smack about our country does not make it whole community. If that was the case, I have met lot of Pakistanis cursing Pakistan day and night and vowing to never go back there even for a visit.
Does that mean all expats are like that. No.
But here a generalisation has to be made to satisfy ones ego and distorted worldview. It is a survival mechanism.

 

[Major]

Even if it does get formed, this would become a very problem for Pakistan. Remember, Pakistan has two cities or districts that are of importance for Sikhs.

Nankana Sahib and Kartarpur. If Khalistan gets formed, than we would have another enemy that would would form in the very long run. What do you guys think, the sikhs of Khalistan won't go after Nankana Sahib or Kartarpur?

Pakistan cannot give Nankana Sahib as it is sandwiched in between. To get to Nankana Sahib you have to cross Sheikhapura. That means you could also lose sheikhapura to them if they decide to extend the borders.

Kirtapur can be given as its next to the border.

It very much depends on what the borders of Khalistan are in the Indian side, if it cuts off Kashmmir from India completely than we could fund it, in return as we get Kashmir. We can give them kirtapur and Nankana Sahib can also be given by sacrifising Kasur. Lahore and Sheikhapura are too important for us...

But its very unrealistic........

 

[PakLFC]

Most Sikh's do not want Khalistan. It's creation if possible will effect India much more then Pak. I am not worried about it at all.

 

[daytrader]

Canada says pro-Khalistan Sikhs have right to freedom of expression

TORONTO: Prime Minister Justin Trudeau’s government has said it cannot stop the Canadian Sikhs from expressing their views through the Khalistan Referendum voting as long as the process is peaceful, democratic and within the legal parameters of the Canadian laws.

Commenting on the situation that has unfolded in the wake of an attack on a Hindu temple and on the poster of a revered Khalistani Sikh leader, a Canadian govt official said that Canadian nationals have every freedom to express their views in every manner possible as long as it follows the Canadian laws on right to freedom of expression and right to free speech and assembly.

The official spoke after consistent lobbying by the Indian govt with Prime Minister Justin Trudeau’s government against the rising pro-Khalistan sentiment in Canada – home to over one million Sikhs – and a high-profile campaign for Khalistan being run by the pro-Kahlistan and pro-separatist group Sikhs For Justice (SFJ).

India has tried to apply diplomatic pressure on the Canadian govt ahead of the Khalistan Referendum voting on 18 September at the Gore Meadows Community Center in Brampton, Ontario. Hundreds of Sikhs gathered at the centre on Saturday to make preparations for the voting on Sunday – a move that is set to pitch India against the Canadian government.

The Canadian govt has said that its position on the united India and its status will not change; that it will not recognise a referendum run by the advocacy group but it has stressed that at the same time it cannot take away right of Canadians to get involved in any kind of political activity and demand their rights through peaceful and democratic means.

Canadian parliamentarian Sukhminder Singh Dhaliwal has also said that constitutional and democratic political expression cannot be stopped.

Gurpatwant Singh Pannun, the Counsel General of Sikhs for Justice and a New York Attorney, said Indian government has used every trick to paint Sikhs in a bad light before the western world but the democratic govts have refused to come under Indian pressure because they recognise that Khalistan Referendum seeks to assess the desire for an independent Khalistan and once the voting process is completed then the case will be presented before the United Nations.

The position taken by the Canadian govt on Khalistan Referendum is set to anger India which has felt perturbed at the scenes of thousands of Sikhs coming out in the Western capitals demanding freedom from India and the establishment of an independent state of Khalistan.

The Indian govt has openly accused the Canadian authorities of showing leniency towards Khalistanis in Canada.

Earlier this week, the Indian authorities launched a strong protest with the Canadian govt after BAPS Swaminarayan Mandir in Toronto was vandalised with anti-Indian and pro-Khalistan slogans written at the entrance ahead of 18 September Khalistan Referendum voting which is set to attract tens of thousands of Sikhs.

The Indian government has condemned the vandalism at the Mandir, calling on the Canadian Prime Minister to take action against the suspected Khalistani activists.

The vandalism incident comes after the local police announced it has arrested an Indo-Canadian man for tearing Sikh leader Jarnail Singh Bhindranwale’s banner in the city of Caledon, Ontario, ahead of the 18 September Khalistan Referendum. In response to the attack, over 500 Sikhs protested outside the Indian consulate in Toronto alleging that the Indian govt was behind the attack on the posters of nationalist Sikh leader Jarnail Singh Bhindranwale who is regarded as a martyr, saint and icon of Khalistan movement.

The News PK

 

[SpiritOf1903]

It will come at the expense of Pakistan who are laying it's foundations

 

[sweep_shot]

I don't think they can anytime soon. Support for this movement is not big enough.

 

[daytrader]

Over 110,000 Canadian Sikhs vote in Khalistan Referendum in power show
A large number of women and elderly stood in long queues to cast their vote in favour of Khalistan

TORONTO: In an unprecedented show of power, more than 110,000 Canadian Sikhs took part in voting for the Khalistan Referendum in Brampton, Ontario, to demand an independent state of Khalistan with Shimla as its capital.

Organised by the pro-Khalistani advocacy group Sikhs For Justice (SFJ), the voting started with a special prayer led by a religious leader Bhai Daljit Singh Sekhon, a close associate of Bhai Harjinder Singh Parha in whose name the voting centre was dedicated. Thousands were returned unable to vote at the close of the day at 5pm while queues stretched to several kilometres at the end of the day.

The first vote was cast at 9am but thousands of Canadian Sikhs had lined up since 7am to cast their votes. A large number of women and elderly stood in long queues to cast their vote in favour of Khalistan.

By noon, the queue had stretched to around five kilometres from the Gore Meadow Community Centre Brampton to the nearest highway. There was so much traffic pressure coming towards the voting centre that the Ontario police blocked the highway for all kinds of traffic, for three hours, to prevent more Sikhs from attempting to reach the venue in their cars.

By the afternoon, there was a sea of people around the centre carrying flags of Khalistan, chanting slogans demanding the creation of Khalistan, calling on India to end human rights violations of Sikhs and asking the international community to listen to the demands of millions of Sikhs in Indian Punjab and around the world. The observers confirmed that thousands had been returned at the close of voting while queues still stretched to over two kilometres.

Organisers at the Sikhs for Justice as well local observers estimated the total number of participants to be comfortably over 110,000. Deann Allison, Canada’s Member of Parliament for Niagra West for the Conservative party, said in a tweet at mid-day: “Amazing turnout at Gore Meadows community centre in Brampton where the Sikh Nation is voting for their right to self-determination. Over 50,000 votes and lines are still growing.”

The SFJ said attendance in Ontario for Khalistan voting had broken all previous records of voting in London, where over 30,000 Sikhs had taken part; Italy, where the number was just below London; Geneva where the presence was under 10,000 and UK’s cities of Slough, Birmingham, Leicester and Manchester where the numbers were significant.

The SFJ welcomed the turnout in huge numbers. Its Counsel General Gurpatwant Singh Pannun said the Sikhs have shown in Canada that they will not accept anything less than an independent Khalistan with Shimla as capital of the free Punjab. “Today, Canadians voted in the independence referendum to reclaim Shimla as the capital once Punjab is liberated from the Indian occupation. The voting in Punjab for the Khalistan Referendum will start from January 26, 2023, coinciding with India’s 74th Republic Day.”

There were more than 300 Sikh volunteers manning the community centre reserved for voting. Most of those volunteering were Canadian born Sikh youth who have shown strong connection with the Khalistan movement, initiated by their parents who were most born and raised in India.

Canada is now home to around a million Sikhs who strongly associate themselves with the Khalistani movement – an issue that has troubled the Indian govt for many years and has caused diplomatic rifts between India and Canada.

Earlier, the Canadian government refused to stop the SFJ from organising the unofficial balloting for the Khalistan Referendum. Canada’s position on the Khalistan Referendum is backed by its own laws as well as the United Nations laws that all people have a right to self-determination and freedom of speech and expression in a peaceful manner.

Participants of the referendum, on the occasion, said that the Indian Punjab will soon emerge as an independent country on the map of the world. They said that India cannot deprive the Sikh people from their right to independence at gunpoint.

The Khalistan Referendum voting campaign is being organised under the supervision of the independent Punjab Referendum Commission (PRC), which will announce the results when all phases are completed.

The News PK

 

[IamIndian]

Prominent Sikh community member challenges idea of Khalistan

EW DELHI: A UK-based prominent member of the Sikh Community has challenged Akal Takht’s recent assertion that "it is ready to accept the sovereign state of Khalistan if the Indian government makes such an offer".

Navdeep Singh, a member of the Community in an open letter to Giani Harpreet Singh, the acting Jathedar of Akal Takht asserted that not even one-fourth members of the community favour Khalistan. “We Sikhs have seen much at the time of Partition to know what it does with a natio ..


Read more at:
https://economictimes.indiatimes.co...ofinterest&utm_medium=text&utm_campaign=cppst

 

[IamIndian]

Most Punjabis in Canada don’t support Khalistan: Expert

By Harpreet Bajwa
CHANDIGARH: An impression created by fringe groups in Canada — virtually a second Punjab for the Sikh community — that the country is a “bastion for Khalistanis” is incorrect, a Canadian expert, who is now in India, has said.The Khalistan issue, which made headlines during Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau’s recent India visit, has taken away much of the warmth from Indo-Canadian relations and pushed them back by at least 10 years, said Dr Shinder Purewal, Professor in the Department of Political Science, Kwantlen Polytechnic University, Surrey.

https://www.newindianexpress.com/th...da-dont-support-khalistan-expert-1798460.html

 

[IamIndian]

Majority of Sikhs in Canada denounce Khalistan referendum during popular Bassi show

BRAMPTON: The Sikh community living in Canada has outrightly denounced Khalistan referendum being held by US based Khalistani group Sikhs for Justice. The US based Sikhs for Justice led by Gurpatwant Singh Pannu is holding a Khalistan referendum in Canada on September 18.


Though few of the callers also supported the referendum, the majority of callers flayed the organisers of Khalistan referendum and also wanted the Canada government to ban the referendum

https://www.punjabnewsexpress.com/d...n-referendum-during-popular-bassi-show-181274

 

[cricketjoshila]

110000 canadians will decide the fate of an Indian state with a population of 27 million.

 

[Saj]

The sikhs have been divided according to their castes.

Until there is unity amongst them, they will achieve nothing.

 

[Hitman]

110000 canadians will decide the fate of an Indian state with a population of 27 million.

I was laughing reading the same. Some people don't realise how patriotic Sikhs in India are. As for the Sikhs in Canada, they're more than welcome to create Khalistan there.

 

[JaDed]

The sikhs have been divided according to their castes.

Until there is unity amongst them, they will achieve nothing.

Achieve what though? That’s like saying Pashtuns aren’t united but towards what goal?

 

[JaDed]

I was laughing reading the same. Some people don't realise how patriotic Sikhs in India are. As for the Sikhs in Canada, they're more than welcome to create Khalistan there.

You haven’t been to Brampton , I would love to see a referendum there as well.

Brampton banega Khalistan.

 

[Ahmad-GERMANFC]

You haven’t been to Brampton , I would love to see a referendum there as well.

Brampton banega Khalistan.

Tbh most Canadian and Californian Sikhs I’ve met were either strongly pro Khalistan (where they verbalize it or campaign for it) or are open to the idea but wouldn’t do anything about it particularly.

However it seems Indian Punjabi Sikhs are no longer enamored by the india and have accepted their fate and future under the Indian state.

 

[JaDed]

Tbh most Canadian and Californian Sikhs I’ve met were either strongly pro Khalistan (where they verbalize it or campaign for it) or are open to the idea but wouldn’t do anything about it particularly.

However it seems Indian Punjabi Sikhs are no longer enamored by the india and have accepted their fate and future under the Indian state.

It depends upon the location I’m sure in Punjab certain sections will want it as well but majority look forward to migrate to Canada/Aus/USA
The population of Sikhs in Punjab has been dwindling for a while now, also many of them are part of the defense why would they and their kin ask for Independence.

Sikhs in other parts of India obviously don’t want Independence as their Holy places are scattered across India from Himachal to Bihar to Maharashtra, these have Sikh Holy towns with majority of their population.

Sikhs do deserve justice though, the government should just recognize the genocide that did happen under Congress Leadership.

 

[rhony]

110000 canadians will decide the fate of an Indian state with a population of 27 million.

That's not the only funny part. None of these people want to live in India

 

[MenInG]

The government today cautioned Indian nationals in Canada and students heading to the country against what it called a "sharp increase in hate crimes, sectarian violence and anti-India activities" and urged them to "remain vigilant".

The Foreign Ministry said it has taken up incidents of hate crimes, sectarian violence and anti-India activities with Canada and has asked the authorities to investigate the crimes and take action. "The perpetrators of these crimes have not been brought to justice so far in Canada," said a ministry statement.

"In view of the increasing incidences of crimes as described above, Indian nationals and students from India in Canada and those proceeding to Canada for travel/education are advised to exercise due caution and remain vigilant," the statement said.

The advisory was put out in the middle of a huge diplomatic row over a so-called referendum by "pro-Khalistan" elements on a separate homeland for Sikhs.

Foreign Ministry spokesperson Arindam Bagchi had yesterday described the referendum as a "farcical exercise held by extremist and radical elements". He also said it was "deeply objectionable" that this was allowed in a friendly country.

The government urged Indian nationals and students in Canada to register with the Indian mission in Ottawa or consulates in Toronto and Vancouver. This will "enable the High Commission and the Consulates General to better connect with Indian citizens in Canada in the event of any requirement or emergency," the statement said.

Canada is home to 1.6 million people of Indian origin and non-resident Indians. They account for more than 3% of Canada's population.

NDTV

 

[ghaint]

Probably the best that can happen for the people of both punjab is open borders between east and west punjab. Khalistan is unlikely, due to small Sikh population.

 

[Ahmad-GERMANFC]

That's not the only funny part. None of these people want to live in India

Obviously they don’t want to live in india. They want to live in Khalistan…

 

[IamIndian]

Obviously they don’t want to live in india. They want to live in Khalistan…

Keep dreaming!

 

[PakLFC]

The worldwide Sikh population is too small to form an independent country. It seems to me that only the Sikh's living abroad are interested in this Khalistan thing so I say to them that if you have the guts then go and fight for your free country from within India. This is what the Quaid Jinnah did when he lead the Pakistan movement from within then British India.

The only way Sikh's will get Khalistan is if all other secessionist movements in India are successful leading to the complete break up of India. Silly feel good rap songs by these black wannabe Khalistani youths like Hard Kaur won't get them anywhere. No real inroads have been made in the movement and if they were then Modi won't hesitate to do another 1984 to save the unity of India.

Sikhs never had or will have a genius like M A Jinnah. No country can be formed with just weapons without the political work being done in earnest. Uneducated terrorist's like Bhindrawale will always meet a violent end.