Will Pakistan-India relations improve in Imran Khan's tenure as PM?

[MenInG]

There is some hope that this could happen but are the underlying issues so intractable that a change in Govt (on both sides) will have no effect?

 

[MenInG]

Judging by the Sidhu visit reaction - not much will change.

 

[slipcatch]

No!

India has taken a turn toward extremism, political and socially.

Elected leaders ran their important part of campaign to preserve radical extremists version of Hinduism, and to make that part of the campaign affective they needed a boogeyman in the form of Muslims of India and Pakistan.

Obviously, Indian media had and continue to play an important role marching its ordinary citizens towards having a soft corner for extremists version of Hinduism and make it somewhat acceptable.

 

[PakLFC]

They will get worse because Imran Khan won't be doing what's right by India like Nawaz was. IK will not be making any personal invitations either at the blink of an eye. The days of Jindal or Modi just dropping by for a cup of tea have gone.

 

[Syed1]

India have their version of Zia ul Haq ruling these days so things wont change for the better till he is there

 

[Tusker]

Judging by the Sidhu visit reaction - not much will change.

and here is the reason why (the Cartoon in the link below conveys the message that cannot be told in 1000s of words ):

https://www.nayadaur.tv/2018/07/why-is-foreign-media-after-imran-khan/

Pakistani Army Generals enjoy being the Kingmakers and running the show ... and nobody is soo naive in this world to give up that position of Power. While I dearly wish Imran fixes this but reality is a bit different and this is no Cricket match.
[MENTION=142162]Napa[/MENTION]

 

[PakLFC]

No matter what IK does he will always be accused of being an army puppet. The west and India would be lauding the Pak elections if they had their man sitting in Islamabad. Then Pakistan would have been a free country where everything is heading towards the right direction. The PPP and PML-N analysts and supporters in Pak are having a very hard time in accepting reality that IK is the new PM.

 

[MenInG]

Judging by the Sidhu visit reaction - not much will change.

Actually there seems to be some chance

 

[Gabbar Singh]

Attempts will be made to change things for the better but not until after the Indian general election on/before May next year.

Say what you want about Modi but:

1. He is a pragmatist and;

2. Just like most world leaders he has a big ego. He won’t miss an opportunity to try and go down in the history books as the man who helped improve Indo-Pak relations. He took a risk flying in to visit Sharif on Xmas day a few years back and won’t be scared to do something similar again.

As for Imran, I don’t doubt his intentions but just how much control will he have when it comes to foreign policy?

 

[yasir]

Attempts will be made to change things for the better but not until after the Indian general election on/before May next year.

Say what you want about Modi but:

1. He is a pragmatist and;

2. Just like most world leaders he has a big ego. He won’t miss an opportunity to try and go down in the history books as the man who helped improve Indo-Pak relations. He took a risk flying in to visit Sharif on Xmas day a few years back and won’t be scared to do something similar again.

As for Imran, I don’t doubt his intentions but just how much control will he have when it comes to foreign policy?

That visit was the beginning of end of NS... NS is in Jail for mainly his rift was Military on foreign and trade policies.

IK will not try to go there, he has no authority in talking about foreign, trade, budget, well all important policy matters. That is still and will remain for foreseeable future in the hand of ME. I expect no change what so ever..As they say in Pakistan, it’s all up to Army !!.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Unless and until Pakistan stops supporting a violent terrorist movement in India,there will be no further movement.

There was a time when for the west any significant deal with India was done keeping Pakistani sensitivities in mind.Those days are now long gone. So the need to start peace talks because the West is putting pressure isnt there.

India has also realised that until the Pak Army is onboard all these talks are of no use. So until the Pak PM has complete authority on the Army.

Right now as an Indian the best scenario will be that IK provides a strong corruption free govt in Pakistan which develops Pakistan and brings peace.

Once that happens then IK will cement his place as a leader even the army cant mess with.Then we can likely hope for improved relations.

 

[saeed5646]

Unless and until Pakistan stops supporting a violent terrorist movement in India,there will be no further movement.

There was a time when for the west any significant deal with India was done keeping Pakistani sensitivities in mind.Those days are now long gone. So the need to start peace talks because the West is putting pressure isnt there.

India has also realised that until the Pak Army is onboard all these talks are of no use. So until the Pak PM has complete authority on the Army.

Right now as an Indian the best scenario will be that IK provides a strong corruption free govt in Pakistan which develops Pakistan and brings peace.

Once that happens then IK will cement his place as a leader even the army cant mess with.Then we can likely hope for improved relations.

same apply to india

 

[cricketjoshila]

same apply to india

So which terrorist wanted in Pakistan is in India?

Which province of Pakistan does Indian govt as an official policy wants to separate from Pakistan?

Which Pakistani separatist movement is based in India?Which Indian organisations are solely formed to help a separatist movement in Pakistan?

Where in India do you see rallies and funding drives to fund "Jihad" in a pakistani province?

All these accusations againist India hold little water to anyone around the world.They are solely an attempt to deflect. An attempt thats has failed miserably.

 

[PetroDollars]

Till India stops supporting and sponsoring cross-border terroism, no way and no chance.

 

[slipcatch]

India won’t stop supporting terrorist in Afghanistan
India won’t stop supporting terrorists in Balouchistsn
Indian government won’t stop anti-Muslim and anti-Pakistan narrative because it sells in India and helps them get elected.
In other words, India isn’t ready for peace, and Easy way for them to get out of any peace talk by current extremists government is by saying Pak army,
India isn’t ready for peace and won’t be ready for quite sometime.

 

[Syed1]

India won’t stop supporting terrorist in Afghanistan
India won’t stop supporting terrorists in Balouchistsn
Indian government won’t stop anti-Muslim and anti-Pakistan narrative because it sells in India and helps them get elected.
In other words, India isn’t ready for peace, and Easy way for them to get out of any peace talk by current extremists government is by saying Pak army,
India isn’t ready for peace and won’t be ready for quite sometime.

Just see the reaction of Indian media to Sidhu visiting.

Chotay log

 

[slipcatch]

Just see the reaction of Indian media to Sidhu visiting.

Chotay log

Exactly.

These radicals extremists in current Indiangovernment need anti-Muslim and anti-Pakistani narrative to full fill their prophecy and building of temples in place of Mosques, to kill innocents in Kashmir and to keep control in Kashmir.
The best and only way to avoid any peace talk or discussion is by saying “Army”. Don’t let you fool you.

 

[PakLFC]

Pak is not at all desperate for talks to continue with India, it is India who goes on about resuming talks far more then Pak does. Yesterday's comments by IK and the general about talks were protocol nothing else. India must stop terrorism in Pak's Baluchistan and KPK through Afghanistan if anything good is to come out of it. Those wanting names of Indian terrorists I say to them Kulbushan Yadav, Sarbjeet Singh, Surjeet Singh and now another one caught in Peshawar yesterday were not in Pak for a holiday! The thing is Pak captures them so there is no reason to ask India to hand them over to us nevertheless since Indian's are so "doodhe ke dhulle log" they can prove that by punishing the perpetrators of the Samjhauta Express attacks.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

It is not in Imran Khan's hands, the power as always, lies with the nation with more military and financial muscle. Which of the two countries would fit that description?

 

[cricketjoshila]

Pak is not at all desperate for talks to continue with India, it is India who goes on about resuming talks far more then Pak does. Yesterday's comments by IK and the general about talks were protocol nothing else. India must stop terrorism in Pak's Baluchistan and KPK through Afghanistan if anything good is to come out of it. Those wanting names of Indian terrorists I say to them Kulbushan Yadav, Sarbjeet Singh, Surjeet Singh and now another one caught in Peshawar yesterday were not in Pak for a holiday! The thing is Pak captures them so there is no reason to ask India to hand them over to us nevertheless since Indian's are so "doodhe ke dhulle log" they can prove that by punishing the perpetrators of the Samjhauta Express attacks.

When did you last hear India talk about any talks with Pakistan? India's answer is simple, Pakistan has to stop terrorism for that.

India simply has no reason to take the initiative. We are doing pretty well.

 

[cricketjoshila]

India won’t stop supporting terrorist in Afghanistan
India won’t stop supporting terrorists in Balouchistsn
Indian government won’t stop anti-Muslim and anti-Pakistan narrative because it sells in India and helps them get elected.
In other words, India isn’t ready for peace, and Easy way for them to get out of any peace talk by current extremists government is by saying Pak army,
India isn’t ready for peace and won’t be ready for quite sometime.

Let Afghanistan speak for themselves. They are complaining about Pakistani sponsored terrorism on Afghan soil. So are the americans.

It is Pakistan that is on FATF list for terror financing.

Pakistan was where OBL was caught. Pakistan was where Taliban chief was killed.
Pakistan is where UN sanctioned terrorists are roaming around freely.

So your narrative doesnot wash with most non pakistanis.

We do not need to talk to a nation thats funding,training,arming a terrorist movement in India. We do not gain anything.

 

[slipcatch]

Let Afghanistan speak for themselves. They are complaining about Pakistani sponsored terrorism on Afghan soil. So are the americans.

It is Pakistan that is on FATF list for terror financing.

Pakistan was where OBL was caught. Pakistan was where Taliban chief was killed.
Pakistan is where UN sanctioned terrorists are roaming around freely.

So your narrative doesnot wash with most non pakistanis.

We do not need to talk to a nation thats funding,training,arming a terrorist movement in India. We do not gain anything.

Here you go again with your repeated and cowardly defense when you can't defend Indian sponsored terrorism in Pakistan. A way for you to get out of discussion, well most of the extremists radical hindus, too.

UN has imposed many sanction on many countries for not so obvious reasons.

e.g Iran is sanctioned for not making nuclear weapon and Indian isn't. It is cute when you Indian come up with this defense. lol

So this argument is as weak as Kashmiri supporting Indian Army in Indian occupied Kashmir.

This is between India and Pakistan, not the rest of the world.

Current Indian government can not and will not want peace with Pakistan because it promote their narrative of radicalized extremists version of Hindu and for that they need boogeyman in the form of Muslims of India and Pakistan to replace Mosques with temple and to stay in Power.

Between I know quite a few Indian Muslims who are tired of Radicalized Extremists Hindus in government. So, it does wash with lots of Indian unless you are radicalized extremists hindu.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Here you go again with your repeated and cowardly defense when you can't defend Indian sponsored terrorism in Pakistan. A way for you to get out of discussion, well most of the extremists radical hindus, too.

UN has imposed many sanction on many countries for not so obvious reasons.

e.g Iran is sanctioned for not making nuclear weapon and Indian isn't. It is cute when you Indian come up with this defense. lol

So this argument is as weak as Kashmiri supporting Indian Army in Indian occupied Kashmir.

This is between India and Pakistan, not the rest of the world.

Current Indian government can not and will not want peace with Pakistan because it promote their narrative of radicalized extremists version of Hindu and for that they need boogeyman in the form of Muslims of India and Pakistan to replace Mosques with temple and to stay in Power.

Between I know quite a few Indian Muslims who are tired of Radicalized Extremists Hindus in government. So, it does wash with lots of Indian unless you are radicalized extremists hindu.

Muslims of India or Mosques and Temples are not Pakistan's concern.

Whenever a rubbish point needs to be pushed, Pakistanis on PP suddenly know few Indians who agree with that. .

No Indian govt will be arm twisted by Pakistan to do anything unless Pakistan stops its activities in Kashmir. Something they are doing for more than 60 years.

Why should India be sanctioned? So that it satisfies Pakistanis like you?

Terrorism emanating from Pakistani soil is having an affect on not just India. Various countries have suffered.

 

[Angrez Pakistani]

No.

 

[Angrez Pakistani]

Muslims of India or Mosques and Temples are not Pakistan's concern.

Whenever a rubbish point needs to be pushed, Pakistanis on PP suddenly know few Indians who agree with that. .

No Indian govt will be arm twisted by Pakistan to do anything unless Pakistan stops its activities in Kashmir. Something they are doing for more than 60 years.

Why should India be sanctioned? So that it satisfies Pakistanis like you?

Terrorism emanating from Pakistani soil is having an affect on not just India. Various countries have suffered.

Beating around the bushes.

 

[PakLFC]

When did you last hear India talk about any talks with Pakistan? India's answer is simple, Pakistan has to stop terrorism for that.

India simply has no reason to take the initiative. We are doing pretty well.

No! India has to stop terrorism in Pak otherwise no talks on anything at all. Your attempts to blackmail Pak through Bollywood and the IPL have totally failed. I see Indian media mentioning talks with Pak regularly on your political shows. The Indian terrorists I have mentioned caught in Pak are enough evidence as are the Samjhauta Express bombings. We don't need you at all.

 

[PakLFC]

It is not in Imran Khan's hands, the power as always, lies with the nation with more military and financial muscle. Which of the two countries would fit that description?

How do you know what is or is not in IK's hands? If he were to obey India you'd be happy as Larry telling us how free and brilliant a country Pakistan is? Such things coming from a country with a terrorist PM don't sound very good. IK has been elected by Pak people. The awaam has spoken!

 

[saeed5646]

So which terrorist wanted in Pakistan is in India?

Which province of Pakistan does Indian govt as an official policy wants to separate from Pakistan?

Which Pakistani separatist movement is based in India?Which Indian organisations are solely formed to help a separatist movement in Pakistan?

Where in India do you see rallies and funding drives to fund "Jihad" in a pakistani province?

All these accusations againist India hold little water to anyone around the world.They are solely an attempt to deflect. An attempt thats has failed miserably.

Which terriost
We already have and alot other are still doing proxy war like kulbhsaan yadav
Which seperate
Bolachistan and PTM
Jk is niether indian property niether pakistan so jihad will be put to end if india do give freedom to them
I know you are trying to be smart but every body knows what is india doing in afghanistan ,and terriorist activity and how dangerous they are increasing proxy war .

 

[cricketjoshila]

No! India has to stop terrorism in Pak otherwise no talks on anything at all. Your attempts to blackmail Pak through Bollywood and the IPL have totally failed. I see Indian media mentioning talks with Pak regularly on your political shows. The Indian terrorists I have mentioned caught in Pak are enough evidence as are the Samjhauta Express bombings. We don't need you at all.

Lol. Why do you think India needs Pakistan? We do not care.

The Aman ka Bewakoofi idiots are on both sides and thankfully we dont listen to them.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Which terriost
We already have and alot other are still doing proxy war like kulbhsaan yadav
Which seperate
Bolachistan and PTM
Jk is niether indian property niether pakistan so jihad will be put to end if india do give freedom to them
I know you are trying to be smart but every body knows what is india doing in afghanistan ,and terriorist activity and how dangerous they are increasing proxy war .

Kulbhushan Yadav's case is in the ICJ. Let them decide.

I havent seen the Afghan govt complain about India doing anything? Rather they and NATO and US are complaining about Pakistan.

So if Kashmir isnt Pakistani property why us Pakistan interfering there?

Pakistan can keep supporting terrorists in India and we will keep raising your costs on the LoC. As i said we simply do not cars unless Pakistan stops its activities in J and K.

Balochistan or PTM leaders are not in India.

 

[enkidu_]

There are more pressing issues for Imran Khan than "peace" with India, and there will never be peace between these two nations, more chance of Israel reconciling itself with the Arab world, there'll always be an issue or the other, such are the contradictory ideologies governing both states.

 

[saeed5646]

Kulbhushan Yadav's case is in the ICJ. Let them decide.

I havent seen the Afghan govt complain about India doing anything? Rather they and NATO and US are complaining about Pakistan.

So if Kashmir isnt Pakistani property why us Pakistan interfering there?

Pakistan can keep supporting terrorists in India and we will keep raising your costs on the LoC. As i said we simply do not cars unless Pakistan stops its activities in J and K.

Balochistan or PTM leaders are not in India.

What is kulbushan doing in pakistan you should ask iran
Did you hear anything similar from china or just too much blind to see why would usa and afghanistan will say something against there alley
India can keep support terror attack in pakistan but they want peace in j&k very smart
I think england is not in pakistan were indian sponsor compagin was run in favor of balochistan and ptm

 

[slipcatch]

Muslims of India or Mosques and Temples are not Pakistan's concern.

It becomes Pakistan's concern when elected radicalized extremists hindu politician and radicalized extremists hindu tells Muslims of India or some peace loving hindu to move to Pakistan whenever any topic related to Pakistan is discuss, you can find quite a few example, try google.

Whenever a rubbish point needs to be pushed, Pakistanis on PP suddenly know few Indians who agree with that. .

There are quite a few people on PP who are bless to live in countries where they make friends from all walk of life from different nationality and race and a good thing about being muslims that we (different race and nationality ) get together in musjid, bite to eat or other events, something you don't get to do it in India, especially if you ascribe to extremists view, and it is understandable why most Muslims are scared to openly speak in India, even celebrities of India are scared to speak their mind.next time before you make comment like this, i suggest you to "think", so you won't make fool out of yourself.

No Indian govt will be arm twisted by Pakistan to do anything unless Pakistan stops its activities in Kashmir. Something they are doing for more than 60 years.

Pakistan isn't arm twisting, PM of Pakistan has said, take one step and we will take two steps, stop denationalized comments in order to defend your delusional comments, A well known defense of yours when you can't defend, make a comment that has nothing to do with original comment and go sit back in your corner.

Why should India be sanctioned? So that it satisfies Pakistanis like you?
Like I have said, you running away from comment tactic, read my comment what I said and where I did not that India should be sanctioned to satisfies Pakistani, are you really that delusional? Tell me where have i said that?

Terrorism emanating from Pakistani soil is having an affect on not just India. Various countries have suffered.
May have, but this discussion is about India and Pakistan and it has to do with peace between India and Pakistan, no other country is interfering.

India does not want peace, India can't not and will not go for peace for the obvious reason, Current Indian government fuel is not just economy but also radicalized extremists hindus and for that narrative to work they need a bogeyman in the form of Muslims and Pakistan you can deny and twist the words in any way you want but it is true, people have elected who are openly extremists and openly talk about eliminating or marginalized the Muslims of India.

Go on with my my India our rule, lol

 

[cricketjoshila]

What is kulbushan doing in pakistan you should ask iran
Did you hear anything similar from china or just too much blind to see why would usa and afghanistan will say something against there alley
India can keep support terror attack in pakistan but they want peace in j&k very smart
I think england is not in pakistan were indian sponsor compagin was run in favor of balochistan and ptm

Where kulbhushan was and what was he doing everything will be clear in the ICJ.

China who? Are they the Afghan govt or are they fighting Taliban? If the Afghan govt has no problems with India in Afghanistan who is Pakistan to object?

A number of countries voted to put Pakistan in the FATF list.

Pakistan has been interfering in J and K since 60 plus years. Terrorism there is a Pakistani state policy.

Campaign was run in UK. Right? So tske up the matter with UK govt.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

When did you last hear India talk about any talks with Pakistan? India's answer is simple, Pakistan has to stop terrorism for that.

India simply has no reason to take the initiative. We are doing pretty well.

And there you have it, straight from the horse's mouth. This is the real reason that all the talk about peace will always be pie in the sky, the major player is India, and their mentality is reflected well in this reply. It is a political version of their IPL policy where they won't allow Pakistan players because they don't want to see Pakistani players prosper. Same goes for their international policy where their main concern is Pakistan as a nation doesn't prosper either. Pakistan is anathema to the Indian nation, But at the same time a blessing as well. Like Bangladesh it has drawn off large chunks of the Muslim population which gives the Hindutvas more power in what remains.

 

[PakLFC]

Lol. Why do you think India needs Pakistan? We do not care.

The Aman ka Bewakoofi idiots are on both sides and thankfully we dont listen to them.

Where did I say that India needs Pak? As I said that it is your news channels that keep on going about "talks". I have hardly ever seen Pak news channels give a damn about talks. Aman ki Asha can take a hike as well!

 

[Minnowbasher]

Unless and until Pakistan stops supporting a violent terrorist movement in India,there will be no further movement.

There was a time when for the west any significant deal with India was done keeping Pakistani sensitivities in mind.Those days are now long gone. So the need to start peace talks because the West is putting pressure isnt there.

India has also realised that until the Pak Army is onboard all these talks are of no use. So until the Pak PM has complete authority on the Army.

Right now as an Indian the best scenario will be that IK provides a strong corruption free govt in Pakistan which develops Pakistan and brings peace.

Once that happens then IK will cement his place as a leader even the army cant mess with.Then we can likely hope for improved relations.

Here we go again

 

[Tusker]

And there you have it, straight from the horse's mouth. This is the real reason that all the talk about peace will always be pie in the sky, the major player is India, and their mentality is reflected well in this reply. It is a political version of their IPL policy where they won't allow Pakistan players because they don't want to see Pakistani players prosper. Same goes for their international policy where their main concern is Pakistan as a nation doesn't prosper either. Pakistan is anathema to the Indian nation, But at the same time a blessing as well. Like Bangladesh it has drawn off large chunks of the Muslim population which gives the Hindutvas more power in what remains.

Is that why they hire Waz, Tahir, Rambo ?

 

[cricket4all]

As long as modi and his likes are there then there will be no change.

 

[Tusker]

As long as modi and his likes are there then there will be no change.

As long as Pakistani army tries to behave like this is 12th century when Muslim army commanders ran the show then it does not matter which govt is in power in India the end result will be the same.

 

[enkidu_]

As long as Pakistani army tries to behave like this is 12th century when Muslim army commanders ran the show then it does not matter which govt is in power in India the end result will be the same.

You have 200 millions of Muslims (with a pop. rapidly rising through fertility rate/love jihad) and I'm sure you won't dare talk to them like that irl out of sheer fear.

This whole "invader" insecure narrative and rhetoric you guys keep it to the 'net arena. There are +170 places in India named after the pious Aurangzeb so much vilified in Hindu nationalist historiography, including a major city in Maharasthra (the region of his arch-rivals the Marathas) which hosts the world known Ajanta/Ellora caves, yet nothing happens.

The "Hyder" (brave/lion) of Hyderabad Akbaruddin Owaisi insults Hindu gods openly, and even defies Hindus for a fight, yet he still roams free.

 

[cricketjoshila]

As long as modi and his likes are there then there will be no change.

Relations with Pakistan are on the downslide since mumbai 2008. 6 years among them was not under Modi.

No Indian govt is going to be friendly with Pakistan unless Pakistan changes it violent ways.

 

[cricketjoshila]

India does not want peace, India can't not and will not go for peace for the obvious reason, Current Indian government fuel is not just economy but also radicalized extremists hindus and for that narrative to work they need a bogeyman in the form of Muslims and Pakistan you can deny and twist the words in any way you want but it is true, people have elected who are openly extremists and openly talk about eliminating or marginalized the Muslims of India.

Go on with my my India our rule, lol

Isnt Pakistan the homeland of all SC muslims according to M A Jinnah? Or is that plan junked now? I hear Sharif being called a Indian stooge all the time, so should India start interfering in Pakistan? Since more than a 1000 pakistani hindus seek refuge in India every year should India start interfering there?

As i said this nonsense of suddenly knowing Indians who support the view of Pakistani posters on PP is a oft repeated story.Find a new one.

No need to take two steps. Take oone and stop supporting terrorism and separatism in India.

Discussion is how India Pakistan relations can improve. And the point is simple. It cannot till Pakistan stops supporting terrorism.

Indian muslims can very well deal with any problem they face. They rejected Pakistan in 1947. They havent changed their mind since.

Worry about your own country its economy and security situation.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Highly unlikely. India has an extremist government in power. A right wing Hindutva government which has become a lackay of the Zionists. They dont care about peace but want to further their own warped agenda.

Pakistan should just not worry about bettering relations while the BJP are in power. It has done well to stop indian proxy terrorism & should continue to ensure this remians while limitimg indias influence in Aghanistan.

 

[Arham_PakFan]

ISLAMABAD: Newly-appointed Foreign Minister Shah Mehmood Qureshi on Monday said Indian Prime Minister Narendar Modi called for dialogue in a letter to Prime Minister Imran Khan.

"Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi has written a letter to PM Imran Khan in which he indicated the beginning of talks between the two countries," Qureshi said while speaking at the Foreign Office shortly after being sworn-in as a member of Prime Minister Imran Khan's cabinet.

"India and Pakistan have to move forward keeping realities before them," he asserted.

The foreign minister stressed, "There is a need for continued and uninterrupted dialogue with India."

Qureshi also directly addressed his Indian counterpart, Sushma Swaraj, and said, "I want to tell the Indian foreign minister that we are not just neighbours; we are atomic powers. We have a lot of common resources. We have long-standing issues, both of us know these problems. But we have no other option but to engage in dialogue. We cannot afford adventurism."

"These issues are complicated and we may face hurdles in resolving them, but we must engage. We will have to admit that we are facing problems, we must admit that Kashmir is a reality. The Islamabad declaration is a part of our history," he added.

"We may have a different approach and line of thinking, but I want to see a change in how we behave," the newly-appointed foreign minister said.

Qureshi also said he intends to contact his Afghan counterpart and pay a visit to Kabul. "I want to go with a solid message for the people of Afghanistan. The two countries share a future and geography, and we have to work together and begin our long journey."

Further, the foreign minister said his party "supports the China-Pakistan Economic Corridor (CPEC)".

"CPEC is a long-term project, a game changer and our party supports it," he maintained.

'Want equality-based relations with US'

Regarding the US, Qureshi said, "I have worked with the US in the past and I have worked with Richard Holbrooke, Hillary Clinton and Condoleezza Rice."

"I know about their concerns and their priorities. I will speak to them in a straight forward manner, I will tell them that we too have our priorities, our nation has some aspirations. I will tell them that bilateral relations will operate on the basis of equality," he said.

"We know that there will be obstructions and hurdles in our way, but we are determined," the foreign minister continued.

The foreign minister also shared, "An important event is coming up; the UN assembly where I will be representing Pakistan and where we have to present Pakistan’s case to the world."

Qureshi further stressed, "We have to bridge the trust deficit and put forward Pakistan’s trust deficit. We will do all of this with full consultation with PM Imran."

"The west has some pre-concerned ideas of where the foreign policy of Pakistan is made. Let me make it very clear it will be made at the FO," he clarified.

'New direction for Pakistan's foreign policy'

The newly-appointed foreign minister also said, "We need to change the direction of our foreign policy,"

Stating that Pakistan’s foreign policy will be reviewed afresh, the foreign minister said, "We want peace and stability in the region."

"Our foreign policy will begin and end at Pakistan," he asserted and added that they are determined to resolve the challenges faced by the country.

"We will make sure that Pakistan is respected worldwide and for that we will have to set our priorities and move forward," Qureshi added.

The newly-appointed foreign minister reveled, "Some forces have been trying to run Pakistan into isolation and marginalisation. And why wouldn’t they do it? Your country didn’t have a foreign minister, who is meant to be your chief diplomat. This gives your opponents open playing fields."

However, Qureshi vowed to not allow Pakistan to be isolated.

Further, Qureshi said, "I realise that very competent officers are working in the FO and I will consult them.

"I will also approach former officials and others for guidance, including former foreign ministers Hina Rabbani Khar and Khawaja Asif," he said.

Responding to a question regarding austerity measures announced by PM Imran, he said they would keep in line with the government's policies. "There will be no unnecessary expenditures on foreign missions and appointments will be made on the basis of merit."

https://www.geo.tv/latest/208099-need-to-change-direction-of-foreign-policy-fm-qureshi

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Is that why they hire Waz, Tahir, Rambo ?

Those are commentators who will earn a relative pittance. I was talking about IPL and Pakistan players, I don't know why you brought those three up unless you think they should come out of retirement and put on the pads again.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Those are commentators who will earn a relative pittance. I was talking about IPL and Pakistan players, I don't know why you brought those three up unless you think they should come out of retirement and put on the pads again.

Can you tell me why PCB refused to send players for IPL 2009?

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Can you tell me why PCB refused to send players for IPL 2009?

No, it was 9 years ago, it is now 2018. PCB changed it's stance years ago in any case so 2009 is no longer relevant.

 

[cricketjoshila]

No, it was 9 years ago, it is now 2018. PCB changed it's stance years ago in any case so 2009 is no longer relevant.

Any reason why Bcci must act according to the whims of PCB?

Rather than having a unreliable partner its better to not have it.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Any reason why Bcci must act according to the whims of PCB?

Rather than having a unreliable partner its better to not have it.

My reference to IPL wasn't really an invitation to divert the thread to sport, it was to demonstrate the similarity with Indian peace process in that India has no desire for it because as you said yourself, India doesn't need or want good relations with Pakistan. Hostile relations suit you better, and your govt and media naturally reflect this.

 

[cricketjoshila]

My reference to IPL wasn't really an invitation to divert the thread to sport, it was to demonstrate the similarity with Indian peace process in that India has no desire for it because as you said yourself, India doesn't need or want good relations with Pakistan. Hostile relations suit you better, and your govt and media naturally reflect this.

You tried to mention IPL as an attempt to stop Pakistani players from prospering. But now think its a diversion because its been mentioned that it was PCB that started the process.

Coming to hostilities, Pakistan started it by supporting a armed terrorist movement in J and K. I am not going into the wars Pakistan started. So until such hostile action is stopped, there is no reason for India to start any engagements.

 

[Darkrai]

India treats their own Muslims like dirt, i'm not sure they even want good relations.

First India should deal with racism. If those particular people don't change their ******** behavior then it will be difficult.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

You tried to mention IPL as an attempt to stop Pakistani players from prospering. But now think its a diversion because its been mentioned that it was PCB that started the process.

Coming to hostilities, Pakistan started it by supporting a armed terrorist movement in J and K. I am not going into the wars Pakistan started. So until such hostile action is stopped, there is no reason for India to start any engagements.

Basically on both topics of IPL and hostilities between the two nations, your stance is: "Pakistan started it, it's their fault". I have no intention of getting dragged into 'you did this, that's why we did that' type of circular argument which is your speciality.

No need to, you have already professed that India has no need to have good relations with Pakistan, and of course that reveals your underlying mentality and that of your govt.

 

[slipcatch]

Isnt Pakistan the homeland of all SC muslims according to M A Jinnah? Or is that plan junked now? I hear Sharif being called a Indian stooge all the time, so should India start interfering in Pakistan? Since more than a 1000 pakistani hindus seek refuge in India every year should India start interfering there?

As i said this nonsense of suddenly knowing Indians who support the view of Pakistani posters on PP is a oft repeated story.Find a new one.

No need to take two steps. Take oone and stop supporting terrorism and separatism in India.

Discussion is how India Pakistan relations can improve. And the point is simple. It cannot till Pakistan stops supporting terrorism.

Indian muslims can very well deal with any problem they face. They rejected Pakistan in 1947. They havent changed their mind since.

Worry about your own country its economy and security situation.

Unlike you, most are capable of multi-tasking and can hold opinion on multiple subject, and also do not use run awa from any discussion by stating, 'my country my rule', it is okay to discuss a country that uses other country as a tool to marginalize minority or told to move to a particular country if they belong from a particular religious group. Not every human is one dimensional as you are.

now back to that highlighted point, try to live in a civilized and a first world country and you would see, lots of Indian from all back ground live in a country where i live. And for some odd reasons extremists Hindu aren't extremists and subservient Muslims are openly criticizing the radicalized extremists hindu government. I am sure you wouldn't be able to understand this because you probably have never had the opportunity to speak to a Muslim of India who was not scare of Extremists Radicalized Hindu in India. Or are you only have friends who are radicalized extremists Hindu?

But you come off financially stable enough, try to visit a first world country where people are free to speak their mind without the fear of getting persecuted or killed for openly speaking against extremists hindus.

The only people are being terrorized on daily basis by the occupying forces are the people of Kashmir in Indian occupied Kashmir.

I can worry about two things at the same time, i am very capable of doing that.

Stay in your cave if you are scared of living in a first world country and incapable of making friends from different race or nationality and unable to hear any criticism of Extremists radicalized Hindu, it is very common in first world country to speak for the minority.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Unlike you, most are capable of multi-tasking and can hold opinion on multiple subject, and also do not use run awa from any discussion by stating, 'my country my rule', it is okay to discuss a country that uses other country as a tool to marginalize minority or told to move to a particular country if they belong from a particular religious group. Not every human is one dimensional as you are.

Clearly you have no idea of the concept of sovreign nation states.Sovereign states having their own laws is internationally accepted law. Please take care of the Hindus of Pakistan who are moving to India in 1000s every year. Seems your concern for minorities end with one religious community only.


n

ow back to that highlighted point, try to live in a civilized and a first world country and you would see, lots of Indian from all back ground live in a country where i live. And for some odd reasons extremists Hindu aren't extremists and subservient Muslims are openly criticizing the radicalized extremists hindu government. I am sure you wouldn't be able to understand this because you probably have never had the opportunity to speak to a Muslim of India who was not scare of Extremists Radicalized Hindu in India. Or are you only have friends who are radicalized extremists Hindu?

As i said,this is a oft repeated story on PP.Find a new one.

All these stories of Hindus yet,no one puts them on a terror watchlist or visa vetting lists or considers them high risk. Poor You. Please let your country's govt know about hindus.

But you come off financially stable enough, try to visit a first world country where people are free to speak their mind without the fear of getting persecuted or killed for openly speaking against extremists hindus.

I am well off enough to visit quite a few countries.I didnt see them being scared of Hindus.But they certainly had extra checks for a certain other religion as they were scared what some followers of that religion may do.

The only people are being terrorized on daily basis by the occupying forces are the people of Kashmir in Indian occupied Kashmir.

Pakistani opinion which the rest of the world has not taken seriously.

I can worry about two things at the same time, i am very capable of doing that.

You can worry about 10 things.Make sure they are yours to worry about.

Stay in your cave if you are scared of living in a first world country and incapable of making friends from different race or nationality and unable to hear any criticism of Extremists radicalized Hindu, it is very common in first world country to speak for the minority.

The world is not scared of extremist radicalized hindus.They are not on extreme vetting lists for visas.They are not responsible for killing 1000s in Newyork,London,Paris,Belgium,Mumbai,Germany,Spain etc etc.Neither are they responsible for the formation of Taliban or Al Qaida or ISIS.They are regularly called for not being able to integrate in a foreign society.

 

[MenInG]

WASHINGTON: A key US official said on Monday that the United States welcomed Prime Minister Imran Khan’s statement emphasising the importance of peace on both sides of Pakistan’s borders.

Alice Wells, who heads the Bureau for South and Central Asian affairs at the State Department, said the main objective of the Trump administration’s South Asia strategy was to restore peace and stability in Afghanistan with support from other regional states.

“We welcome the words of Prime Minister Imran Khan in which he discussed the importance of peace on both sides of Pakistan’s borders,” she said at a news briefing.

Ms Wells is expected to accompany US Secretary of State Michael Pompeo when he visits Islamabad in the first week of September for talks with the new Pakistani leadership. He is also likely to visit New Delhi and Kabul for consulting those governments on Washington’s efforts to resolve the Afghan conflict.

Ms Wells said that America’s South Asia strategy was “obviously pointed to the role India can and should play” in supporting the stabilisation of Afghanistan.

“We want to see Afghanistan stitched back into the region,” said the US diplomat while clarifying that this integration does not have to come at the expense of any other country in the region.

“Pakistan, obviously, has a critical role to play in stabilisation of Afghanistan. And we have encouraged Pakistan to take stronger steps to ensure that the Taliban either come to the negotiating table or are expelled back into Afghanistan rather than enjoy a safe haven outside of the country,” said Ms Wells while explaining the role the United States wants Pakistan to play.

She noted that over the last several months, Pakistan and Afghanistan had embarked on efforts to improve the bilateral relationship and Washington strongly supported negotiation of a solidarity document between them.

Without mentioning China-Pakistan Economic Corridor, the US official expressed concerns over projects in countries where governments involved had not been able to sustain the repayment schedules, which “resulted in the loss of sovereignty over key infrastructures” that they have had to turn over to their lenders.

Ms Wells said that if China stopped pursuing the policy of mortgaging the future of such countries to “unrealistic and unsustainable loan terms, Washington and Beijing could work together on many issues.

“In South Asia, there are many areas where our interests overlap, peace and stabilisation of Afghanistan, both support improved Afghanis*tan-Pakistan relations,” she said. These over-lapping interests could be “basis for a good conversation to start from,” she added.

https://www.dawn.com/news/1428287/us-welcomes-imrans-desire-for-peace-with-delhi-kabul

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Clearly you have no idea of the concept of sovreign nation states.Sovereign states having their own laws is internationally accepted law. Please take care of the Hindus of Pakistan who are moving to India in 1000s every year. Seems your concern for minorities end with one religious community only.


n

As i said,this is a oft repeated story on PP.Find a new one.

All these stories of Hindus yet,no one puts them on a terror watchlist or visa vetting lists or considers them high risk. Poor You. Please let your country's govt know about hindus.



I am well off enough to visit quite a few countries.I didnt see them being scared of Hindus.But they certainly had extra checks for a certain other religion as they were scared what some followers of that religion may do.


Pakistani opinion which the rest of the world has not taken seriously.



You can worry about 10 things.Make sure they are yours to worry about.



The world is not scared of extremist radicalized hindus.They are not on extreme vetting lists for visas.They are not responsible for killing 1000s in Newyork,London,Paris,Belgium,Mumbai,Germany,Spain etc etc.Neither are they responsible for the formation of Taliban or Al Qaida or ISIS.They are regularly called for not being able to integrate in a foreign society.

This is true, the world is more scared of Muslims than Hindus, but that does not mean that the world is afraid to be critical of India. The modern first world has been very vocal in condemning India's rape culture, I can certainly produce plenty of articles to demonstrate this, so in the global age, all countries are held to account publicly regardless of being sovereign states.

 

[cricketjoshila]

This is true, the world is more scared of Muslims than Hindus, but that does not mean that the world is afraid to be critical of India. The modern first world has been very vocal in condemning India's rape culture, I can certainly produce plenty of articles to demonstrate this, so in the global age, all countries are held to account publicly regardless of being sovereign states.

Wrong. The world scared of extremist muslims. A problem that first arose during Afghan war and since then it has spread and become more aggressive. It has become acute in last 2 decades and very severe in last 10yrs. I have no idea why.

Media has criticised American Gun culture, crime againist woman in India, Islamic orthodoxy in the middle east,Chinese crackdown on its citizen's freedom.These are media opinions. No one is going to interfere in these matters of a sovereign state as these dont any affect on other countries.

 

[CricketCartoons]

India Pakistan relations can improve only if Imran Khan improves the conditions of Pakistani Hindus. Otherwise any relation will be meaningless. As a humanitarian my order of closeness is indian hindus -> pakistani hindus -> indian muslims -> pakistani muslims. can't be friendly if my brothers are not happy.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Wrong. The world scared of extremist muslims. A problem that first arose during Afghan war and since then it has spread and become more aggressive. It has become acute in last 2 decades and very severe in last 10yrs. I have no idea why.

Media has criticised American Gun culture, crime againist woman in India, Islamic orthodoxy in the middle east,Chinese crackdown on its citizen's freedom.These are media opinions. No one is going to interfere in these matters of a sovereign state as these dont any affect on other countries.

Of course the world is scared of Islamic extremism, the world would be scared of any type of aggressive extremism, but each country is rightly treated on it's own merits. Therefore mild and tolerant Islamic countries like Malaysia, Saudi Arabia and Pakistan are treated as allies by the west, and the militant ones like Syria, Iraq and Afghanistan are treated as hostile territories. It is disingenuous to treat all Muslim countries as one bloc, all of them have very different policies and ideologies.

I am not even sure why we are discussing world opinions when surely all that matters here is India and Pakistan and how they conduct their relations. When it comes to UN plebiscites on Kashmir, you don't want to discuss world opinion, when it comes to terrorism, suddenly you are writing essays on how important world opinion is.

 

[slipcatch]

Clearly you have no idea of the concept of sovreign nation states.Sovereign states having their own laws is internationally accepted law. Please take care of the Hindus of Pakistan who are moving to India in 1000s every year. Seems your concern for minorities end with one religious community only.


n
As i said,this is a oft repeated story on PP.Find a new one.

All these stories of Hindus yet,no one puts them on a terror watchlist or visa vetting lists or considers them high risk. Poor You. Please let your country's govt know about hindus.



I am well off enough to visit quite a few countries.I didnt see them being scared of Hindus.But they certainly had extra checks for a certain other religion as they were scared what some followers of that religion may do.


Pakistani opinion which the rest of the world has not taken seriously.



You can worry about 10 things.Make sure they are yours to worry about.



The world is not scared of extremist radicalized hindus.They are not on extreme vetting lists for visas.They are not responsible for killing 1000s in Newyork,London,Paris,Belgium,Mumbai,Germany,Spain etc etc.Neither are they responsible for the formation of Taliban or Al Qaida or ISIS.They are regularly called for not being able to integrate in a foreign society.

It matter to me because my opinion about rise in extremists radicalized hindus in India is formed by having long conversation with the Muslims of India, personally and after seeing evidence after evidence how they are treated in India. To you, it may not matter for the obvious reasons because it put your party and your view as extremist but for those who aren't, it matters. You can dismiss this as much as you want but you do not know me and you do not know who do i interact with on daily basis. Like I have said I am bless to live in a country where i get to interact with people from every background, and I say, Al Ahumdulilah for that.

Rest is just a rant to justify Radicalized extremists hindu rise in Politics in India and in general population, again, for the obvious reasons.

Like many posters have said this is about Pakistan and India, rest of the world does not care.

About other opinions, this is the same world, which has no issue Israel and India possessing Nuclear weapon but they have issue with Iran having nuclear technology. Their opinion is subjective person to person or country to country to further their agenda.

And your hypocrisy is so obvious, in one post, you'd say my country our rule then all of the sudden opinion of other countries matter. Pick a side and stick to it.

 

[AssassinatedDevil]

I certainly hope that they improve

 

[MenInG]

Former Indian cricketer-turned-politician Navjot Singh Sidhu on Friday welcomed Pakistan's decision to open the Kartarpur corridor for Sikh pilgrims in November.

I have "no words to thank" Prime Minister Imran Khan, the former cricketer said, according to NDTV.

"They [Pakistan] are ready to open the corridor of Kartarpur Sahib on the 550 birth anniversary of Guru Nanak Ji. There can be no bigger happiness than this for the people of Punjab," Sidhu said.

The former cricketer, who recently visited Pakistan to attend PM Imran's oath-taking ceremony, also urged the Indian government to reciprocate to Pakistan's gesture.

"I plead to the Indian prime minister and the External Affairs Ministry that if they have made an effort, you should also make an effort," he said.

Navjot Singh Sidhu justifies hugging Pakistan army chief

This "is not the time for religion-based politics", Sidhu asserted.

"This is the message from Pakistan to the whole world. Don't think that anyone can oppose this noble gesture," he added.

Earlier today, Information Minister Fawad Chaudhry announced Pakistan will soon open the Kartar Singh border for Sikh pilgrims and allow them to visit Gurdwara Darbar Sahib Kartarpur without having to obtain a visa.

"A system has been formed for the pilgrims entering Pakistan," Chaudhry noted.

https://www.geo.tv/latest/210242-no...-sidhu-on-decision-to-open-kartarpur-corridor

 

[Gabbar Singh]

/\/\/\/\

Good news, hope it materialises.

 

[Gabbar Singh]

Looks like the naysayers were spot on.

It's sad that relations are where they are - India won't reverse it's article 370 decision and Pakistan won't reverse it's policy on Kashmir so it looks like we are going to have a stalemate for the next god knows how many years.

Always felt that trade and business would help bring India and Pakistan together - after all if you have an economic interest in another country you're less like to want instability in that country - however now even trade has stopped.

So what next for India-Pakistan, Modi-Khan relations?

 

[msb314]

Seems to be getting worse

 

[ReverseHit]

I think we need to move away from Modi and Imran and analyze the current status as part of a broader trend.

For a good portion of the 90s, Pakistan encouraged jihadis and lent financial support to local terrorists. Those were my very first memories of Kashmir in the news - some terrorist attack in Kashmir every few weeks.

Yet Vajpayee still decided to give peace a chance when he came across the border on the bus, and even visited Minar-e-Pakistan. Remember this was a huge symbolic move - as a common Pakistani gripe was that India has never accepted Pakistan.

What does he get back in return? Kargil. India feels stabbed in the back. Explains why we don't and won't trust the words of Pakistani PM for a long time.

Cue forward to 2001. One of the silver linings out of 9/11 was that Musharraf, probably reluctantly, had to cut off (or at least superficially pretend to cut off) the supply line of jihadis and make overtures for peace because suddenly the world was not ok with non-state actors being used to further a religious/political agenda.

Vajpayee still gave this another chance, because he genuinely wanted peace and perhaps felt he could trust his counterpart's words since they were coming from a military dictator.

The 2004-2007 period was probably one of the best periods we've seen between the two countries. We had alternate cricket series in India/Pakistan. People traveled for these matches and came back with feel-good stories of how much hospitality they were shown. The media for a change was also doing positive stories. I feel those years were probably the closest we have come, or will come, in decades to a genuine desire of peace between the Indians and Pakistanis at a people-to-people level.

Nov 2008 and Mumbai changed it all, and brought us back to square one. Indians felt again that Pakistan cannot be trusted. Even if we try to make peace overtures with genuine desires on both sides, malign elements in their establishment will always keep stabbing us in the back.

I clearly remember that change in attitude from the "hey we're the same people, why have we been fighting" to "Pakistanis are terrorists that we cannot trust. EVER." It was such a sudden shift in attitudes I saw in my Indian friends around me, in the media, and in the general mood of the population. I still recall telling my Pakistani friends in 2009/2010 that Mumbai is a game changer, and the Indian public now does not desire any peace or wants to keep any type of relationship with Pakistan.

This gave further space to the right-wing in India, who harped on Kargil, Parliament attack, Mumbai - all as a long tail of pointers that Pakistan cannot be trusted, and the only way to deal with them is sabotage them internationally and refuse to engage with them.

I still believe Manmohan was genuinely interested in talks around 2011-2013, but he couldn't do anything substantial - because the public support was now lacking after Mumbai.

Meanwhile, Pakistan went through it's own disastrous run with the TTP from 2008-2012, losing 50K+ of its population. I still remember the mayoosiat my Pakistani friends had at that time, as bombs/jihadis would blow up every few weeks in bazaars and dargahs.

Which bring us to today and the different attitudes of Modi and Imran.

Modi is a product of Mumbai - a mindset where the Indian public said that we've had enough, we don't want to talk or engage with Pakistan, because we cannot trust them.

Imran is a product of the human, social and economic cost Pakistan paid in the War on Terror. After which him, the military establishment and a good % of the Pakistani public genuinely wanted terrorism to be curtailed, and peace to prevail, so they can get back to living their lives normally.

Imran shouldn't then be surprised when he says his peace overtures were ignored by Modi. Imran's actions, and Modi's actions have been a long time in the making.

...and who knows...maybe by the time the Indians may come around, the Pakistanis may have turned, only for this cycle to continue.

 

[Afzal_K]

The guy has been reduced to Twitter. Khan