Will Sarfaraz Ahmed make it into any other cricket team?

[PakPremi]

You aren't even listening. I don't care if Rizwan is good enough or not. He isn't a personal favourite of mine. I just want to see him given a chance because I am sick of playing with a specialist captain.


They won't get chances at domestic level because we have no clue how to develop players. That's why they should play at A level at least. If they perform they should be made back up at least.

A wicket keeper who averages 37.5 cannot be specialist captain, even if you are completely disregarding his good wicket keeping. It's easy to take averages of bad patches to malign players. It shows nothing more than a personal agenda. Even though I am not a fan of Azhar's batting. I still was against him being dropped from the team just because he had hit a bad rut. Players let me Sarfraz have served Pak wellany times and contributed in winning or saving tests so should be respected and given enough chances to prove themselves. And both have Azhar this series and Sarfraz last series with batting and keeping.

 

[Hasan123]

A wicket keeper who averages 37.5 cannot be specialist captain, even if you are completely disregarding his good wicket keeping. It's easy to take averages of bad patches to malign players. It shows nothing more than a personal agenda. Even though I am not a fan of Azhar's batting. I still was against him being dropped from the team just because he had hit a bad rut. Players let me Sarfraz have served Pak wellany times and contributed in winning or saving tests so should be respected and given enough chances to prove themselves. And both have Azhar this series and Sarfraz last series with batting and keeping.

He's averaging 26 for the last 2 years. He's in the team because he is the captain and nothing else.

 

[sjahmed23]

Right now he is doing more harm than good. Since Misbah's retirement he thinks of himself as the patriarch of the team, but his antics are contagious and when things are not going good panic spreads like wild fire.

 

[Hawkeye]

A wicket keeper who averages 37.5 cannot be specialist captain, even if you are completely disregarding his good wicket keeping. It's easy to take averages of bad patches to malign players. It shows nothing more than a personal agenda. Even though I am not a fan of Azhar's batting. I still was against him being dropped from the team just because he had hit a bad rut. Players let me Sarfraz have served Pak wellany times and contributed in winning or saving tests so should be respected and given enough chances to prove themselves. And both have Azhar this series and Sarfraz last series with batting and keeping.

Umm, how about no?

Average over a short time, say 6 months is deceiving.

Average over 2 years is the actual, real deal and a good sample size.

It means he's single handledly a huge contributor to our losses. Because of the position and influence he has.

That's reflected in results too.

You cannot continue like this.

 

[topspin]

The era part was a slightly off observation, since Healy made his debut only four years before Moin and five years before Rashid Latif. What I meant by different eras, was the fact that Moin and Rashid played well beyond the 2000s while Healy had his career cut short before the 99-00 season against India and Pakistan. Moin and Rashid were subjected to different standards than Healy, with the arrival of Adam Gilchrist. Gilchrist revolutionized the wicket-keeper role and he was the first world-class wicket-keeper batsman in the history of the game.

In comparison to Gilchrist, Moin and Rashid were mediocre. Moin infact played till 2004, when Sangakkara was also beginning to establish himself as the defacto second best wicket-keeper batsman in the world.

Also Australia started to dominate from 1998 onwards. Before that they were a strong team, but they became ATG from 98 onwards under Steve Waugh. Gilchrist was the WK remembered as part of this ATG side, not Ian Healy. I thought you used to watch cricket in the 90s?

No I've already told you I started watching the game in 2000, so never claimed to have done so whereas you have.

"Australia ATG team of the 90s had one world-class keeper, and you very well know his name (it certainly is not Ian Healy)"

This statement is so wrong. Ian Healy was the only world class wicket keeper for Australia throughout that decade until October 1999 when he retired. You assumed it was Gilchrist but he actually debuted in November 1999, so I find it concerning that you claimed to have watched cricket in the 90s but have got this completely wrong...

Also the Pakistani duo did not retire "well beyond the 2000s". Latif and Moin Khan played their last games for the national side in 03 and 04 respectively. So no they were not subject to different standards when they were in their last few years.

70-80% of Healy's playing years coincided with Moin and Rashid, so no they did not play in seperate eras either.

So makes me wonder if you actually watched the game back then?

 

[Rishta Aunty]

This is potentially the best ever era of Wicket keeper batsmen. England have Bairstow and Buttler, India have Pant and Saha, SA have De Kock, NZ have Watling, BD have Mushfiqur and even SL have Dickwella who is half-decent though Chandimal can keep too. Sarfaraz doesn't compare positively to any of them in current form. Needs to buck up and quickly!

I'd argue both Paine and Sarfaraz have to do more with the bat to be considered certs in their respective teams.

 

[SportsWarrior]

Even at his peak he wouldn't have made it into India(Dhoni), BD(Mushi) among Asian teams. He wouldn't have got into Aus/NZ teams as he doesn't have game for their home grounds. SA(DE Kock) England (Butler /Baristow) are out of question. May be he would have got into SL, WI, AFG Teams. He is a pretty average player who had a good purple patch early in his career. He will have a long decline

 

[giri26]

To be frank no. There are some good wicket keeping batters around the world. So he will find it difficult to make it to any side. Probably Zimbabwe? If Taylor is keeping wickets then no there as well.

 

[giri26]

That has to be funniest comment. Even at his peak he wouldn't have made it into India(Dhoni), BD(Mushi) among Asian teams. He wouldn't have got into Aus/NZ teams as he doesn't have game for their home grounds. SA(DE Kock) England (Butler /Baristow) are out of question. May be he would have got into SL, WI, AFG Teams. He is a pretty average player who had a good purple patch early in his career. He will have a long decline

England have embarrassment of riches as far as keeping is concerned. They have 3 world class keeper-batsman. Buttler, Bairstow and Foakes. People are forgetting Foakes who did brilliantly in SL recently.

 

[SportsWarrior]

England have embarrassment of riches as far as keeping is concerned. They have 3 world class keeper-batsman. Buttler, Bairstow and Foakes. People are forgetting Foakes who did brilliantly in SL recently.

I considered those who were playing approximately during Sarfarz's peak purple patch. If you consider now he won't get I to eve SL team who have excellent LOI(dickwella) and test (chandimal) keepers

 

[Sunny_majoka]

Yes only in queta gladiator

 

[shariqnoor]

Zimbabwe and Ireland for sure. And possibly Australia. Paine isn't anything special. Nor is Wade. Sarfraz on his day can score a 70-80 odd when the chips are down. Don't see any Australia keeper doing that. But apart from those two, nope.

 

[MMHS]

Zimbabwe and Ireland for sure. And possibly Australia. Paine isn't anything special. Nor is Wade. Sarfraz on his day can score a 70-80 odd when the chips are down. Don't see any Australia keeper doing that. But apart from those two, nope.

He’ll never make it to even AUS reserves just for his size & shape. Then comes batting on those Aussie wickets with his crouching & sweeping...... Tim Payne is far better WK, Captain & even batsman despite losing almost entire prime years to injury.

 

[shariqnoor]

He’ll never make it to even AUS reserves just for his size & shape. Then comes batting on those Aussie wickets with his crouching & sweeping...... Tim Payne is far better WK, Captain & even batsman despite losing almost entire prime years to injury.

Despite me being the biggest critic of Sarfraz, to be fair to him he easily beats Paine on batting. Sarfraz averages 44 in Australia across formats despite all of that crouching and sweeping. Paine is a better WK but nowadays, keepers have to better batsmen. Sarfraz's WK is enough to get in the team since his batting is superior to Paine. Paine after all these years playing in Australia has only 1 century to his name in FC cricket. Paine is a very ordinary batsman who was made to look good by Pakistan in UAE.

 

[MMHS]

Despite me being the biggest critic of Sarfraz, to be fair to him he easily beats Paine on batting. Sarfraz averages 44 in Australia across formats despite all of that crouching and sweeping. Paine is a better WK but nowadays, keepers have to better batsmen. Sarfraz's WK is enough to get in the team since his batting is superior to Paine. Paine after all these years playing in Australia has only 1 century to his name in FC cricket. Paine is a very ordinary batsman who was made to look good by Pakistan in UAE.

What Sarfraz did earlier has noting to do with his current form & fitness. Last Ashes, Paine scored 200 runs at 40 average; these days Sarfraz will need an entire year to score that amount and at half average. Paine lost most of his career to injury, otherwise he would have played over 100 Tests for Australia.

 

[shariqnoor]

What Sarfraz did earlier has noting to do with his current form & fitness. Last Ashes, Paine scored 200 runs at 40 average; these days Sarfraz will need an entire year to score that amount and at half average. Paine lost most of his career to injury, otherwise he would have played over 100 Tests for Australia.

You cannot compare current forms. At current form, Azhar Ali will not get into the WI team. But WI would happily accept Azhar into their team. Paine has just averaged 24 on his home ground over a 4 match series. Sarfraz averaged 57 in Pakistan's last tour to Australia in 2016. And how would've Paine played 100 Tests? Gilly retired in 2007 and after that Haddin played till 2015. No person on Earth can justify putting Paine ahead of Haddin. Sarfraz will easily knock Paine off based on his batting. He isn't having a good time right now and looks like a complete tailender but he still comes up with valuable and useful knocks from time to time.

 

[RyanRyan10]

Sarfaraz is getting bashed as if he is solely responsible for Pak's misery and some WKB like Adam Gilchrist are waiting in the wings

He is one of the finest WKB Pak has had

Even in this series he scored a half century

Against Aus he played a game changin knock

People are hyping up Rizwan,he is the same guy was struggling to clear 30 yard circle against Aussie bowlers in the slog overs and Adil Rashid mad enough him a bunny where he failed to read his googlies

Some wanted Rohail Nazir to replace him,the same guy failed in the u-19 Asia Cup and did horribly as captain too

Some people are so blinded by hate that they are even ready to prove WKBs of lower ranked FMs better than him who are actually not even half as good as Sarfaraz

 

[Haroon786]

Right now, I don't think many or any team would take Sarfraz over their current wicketkeepers as he's performing poorly with the bat and his keeping is not at his best either.

 

[Hawkeye]

Sarfaraz is getting bashed as if he is solely responsible for Pak's misery and some WKB like Adam Gilchrist are waiting in the wings

He is one of the finest WKB Pak has had

Even in this series he scored a half century

Against Aus he played a game changin knock

People are hyping up Rizwan,he is the same guy was struggling to clear 30 yard circle against Aussie bowlers in the slog overs and Adil Rashid mad enough him a bunny where he failed to read his googlies

Some wanted Rohail Nazir to replace him,the same guy failed in the u-19 Asia Cup and did horribly as captain too

Some people are so blinded by hate that they are even ready to prove WKBs of lower ranked FMs better than him who are actually not even half as good as Sarfaraz

It's true that we don't have better WK/bats, Rizwan is absolutely woeful.

But, he's in great form and scoring runs, we can definitely try him. Sarfraz is not undroppable.

 

[Smbhayi]

maybe Nepal.. in case of Paine actually Australia have better one (in batsmanship) but they were poor behind the stump.. here Sarfraz was bad both behind and in front of the wicket..