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KSA funding Madrassah's is an 80's concept. Maybe even early 90's. Moreover, funding Madrassah's and Charities has nothing to go with the government. Not sure what point you're trying to make here but you couldn't be more wrong.
The only valid point you've made is regarding the remittances. However, I don't expect that to change regardless of the stance of the government.
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Time to update your knowledge. Not just 90s, but noughties as well. Didn't you follow wikileaks?
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No he is not. The Army completely backed his statement otherwise he would have been sacked.
The relationship has been changing as now Iran is the Saudis biggest enemy, and Pakistan wants to remain neutral in there feud.
The only thing that Pakistan needs to make sure is that relations dont go bad, as millions of Pakistanis work there.
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Not taming, but he is not going there to repair relations either. In Pakistan foreign policy right now is under joint control of civilians and Army. If Querishi said something the Army did not want said, then he would have been sacked.
They used Querishi as "bad cop", and now Bajwa will be "good cop" and say the same thing that Querishi said in a different manner.
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Saudis are rattled. There ambassador in Pakistan is busy meeting with irrelevant politicians from the government.
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In early 2000's KSA had criminalized terrorist financing and restricted the overseas flow of funds from Saudi-based charities. Moreover, during the same time Pakistan also complied with FATF regulations in establishing oversight and enforcement mechanisms for NGO's to ensure NGO's that were financing terrorist organisations don't get any funding. We are still on the FATF grey list primarily due to the deficiencies in the anti-money laundering decree.
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LAHORE: Minister for Railways Sheikh Rashid Ahmed has said that that issues with Saudi Arabia after the recent statement of Foreign Minister Shah Mehmood Qureshi have almost been settled as the chief of army staff and the director general of the Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) would visit the kingdom on Sunday (today) and resolve, if any, the rest of the problem.
“Saudi Arabia is our real brother and close to our heart. The misunderstandings that emerged recently are over now. Since Army Chief Gen Qamar Javed Bajwa and ISI Director General Lt Gen Faiz are going there on Sunday, the rest of the issues (if still exist) would also be settled,” he told a press conference here on Saturday.
Mr Rashid termed the army and the Imran Khan-led government two wheels of the same vehicle.
“This time, the Pak army and the government of Imran Khan are at the same line and length. They are two wheels of the same vehicle. They give suggestions to each other,” he added.
Rashid says PML-N, PPP want to get an ‘NRO’ by using JUI-F chief
He said both the main opposition parties (the PML-N and the PPP) and Maulana Fazlur Rehman wanted to use one another on the pretext of the anti-government movement.
Criticising the opposition, he advised Maulana Fazl to stay vigilant while taking decisions about any joint anti-government movement.
“In fact, the opposition wants an NRO and it thinks that it may get that by using the JUI-F chief. But on the other hand, the maulana would use the kids (opposition) politically against the government. So nothing will happen,” he said. “But I urge the maulana to remain vigilant as the opposition just wants to get rid of cases, NAB, etc and is not interested in the anti-government movement,” Mr Ahmed said.
He criticised Maryam Nawaz for being responsible for creating issues for her father.
“It was Maryam who brought her father to this situation. And now she is after Shahbaz Sharif. The scene she created outside NAB Lahore office recently was aimed at diverting attention of the anti-corruption watchdog from her case about purchase of 200 acre land,” he said.
He made it clear that Punjab Chief Minister Usman Buzdar was safe as the PM was standing by him. “He (Buzdar) is not going anywhere. And he will be there until Imran Khan keeps standing by him,” he maintained.
https://www.dawn.com/news/1574641/issues-with-saudi-arabia-almost-settled-minister
“Saudi Arabia is our real brother and close to our heart. The misunderstandings that emerged recently are over now. Since Army Chief Gen Qamar Javed Bajwa and ISI Director General Lt Gen Faiz are going there on Sunday, the rest of the issues (if still exist) would also be settled,” he told a press conference here on Saturday.
Mr Rashid termed the army and the Imran Khan-led government two wheels of the same vehicle.
“This time, the Pak army and the government of Imran Khan are at the same line and length. They are two wheels of the same vehicle. They give suggestions to each other,” he added.
Rashid says PML-N, PPP want to get an ‘NRO’ by using JUI-F chief
He said both the main opposition parties (the PML-N and the PPP) and Maulana Fazlur Rehman wanted to use one another on the pretext of the anti-government movement.
Criticising the opposition, he advised Maulana Fazl to stay vigilant while taking decisions about any joint anti-government movement.
“In fact, the opposition wants an NRO and it thinks that it may get that by using the JUI-F chief. But on the other hand, the maulana would use the kids (opposition) politically against the government. So nothing will happen,” he said. “But I urge the maulana to remain vigilant as the opposition just wants to get rid of cases, NAB, etc and is not interested in the anti-government movement,” Mr Ahmed said.
He criticised Maryam Nawaz for being responsible for creating issues for her father.
“It was Maryam who brought her father to this situation. And now she is after Shahbaz Sharif. The scene she created outside NAB Lahore office recently was aimed at diverting attention of the anti-corruption watchdog from her case about purchase of 200 acre land,” he said.
He made it clear that Punjab Chief Minister Usman Buzdar was safe as the PM was standing by him. “He (Buzdar) is not going anywhere. And he will be there until Imran Khan keeps standing by him,” he maintained.
https://www.dawn.com/news/1574641/issues-with-saudi-arabia-almost-settled-minister
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The good cop/bad cop routine is used by people with leverage and authority on suspects that are nervous and seem under pressure .. not on regional behemoths like Saudi Arabia who pays your bills and is a de facto godfather to the Pak state.
The truth is Imran took a punt and it backfired massively. You’ll have to do as you are told by the saudis. If MBS is in a good mood, he’ll let you off lightly with a warning to the visiting general.
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What is the requirement of good cop, bad cop though in this scenario?
Its just putting the countries together against one cause.
No one is taking out any confrontation. It's ok to stand on either side.
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As in what Querishi publicly said, Bajwa will privately say. Either raise the Kashmir issue in the OIC, or Pakistan will have other Muslim countries (like Turkey, Iran, Malaysia) host a summit on Kashmir.
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On this issue Pakistan has leverage. Pakistan wants a summit on Kashmir in the OIC, which the Saudis are blocking. Other Muslim countries are willing to host one for Pakistan outside the OIC. So Pakistan does not need Saudi Arabia in this regard.
So thats the message Bajwa will give the Saudis.
What can the Saudis do? Take their loan back, and end the deferred payment for oil. Not a problem for Pakistan. They needed the loan in 2018, they dont need it now.
The only thing they could do to hurt Pakistan, would be to stop using Pakistani labor, as Pakistan needs the remittances. But they did not stop when Pakistan refused to support Saudis in the Yemen war, so its unlikely that they will be that mad to stop it now.
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That seems very unlike where Pakistan can start a rebel against KSA among muslim community. Not to mention, the silence of Pakistan in case of China won't go well. It may portray Pakistan as voice only on selective issues and goes missing when it is time to voice against "friends". Intetion of Pakistan will be in more doubt than KSA.
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Any information/source for the bolded part?
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According to almost every article, your army chief is going to Riyadh to soothe the frayed feathers.
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Malaysia has already kicked out Mahathir and the new govt worked overtime to restore economic ties with India.
What influence Iran or Turkey have over India?What leverage do they have?
India is one of the few countries still putting some money in Iran.
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Saudis are rattled, thats why your army chief is running to Riyadh.?
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Pakistan is still on IMF bailout. It desperately needs money.
Which countries are going to support pakistan on Kashmir? What leverage do they have over India?
Saudis have a lot of religious and economic leverage over pakistan.
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Dynamics of Pakistan-Saudi/gulf ties are way different than what is generally perceived by outsiders.
These things cannot be viewed in isolation. Few months ago, there were reports of a coup attempt against MBS from within family which was defused by Pakistan army troops there. Raheel Shareef is not playing bantay there. He is a well respected figure there who is heading an army of multiple nations. Pakistan's military is the most reliable and loyal force in ME that has protected many rulers of different kingdoms in gulf. Neither Israel nor America can provide what Pakistan can to these rulers and they respected that in the past hence all the economic assistance to Pakistan.
But the current westernized Sheikhs, these MBS types need a reality check which is why Bajwa is visiting.
Indians generally have zero idea of the affairs of middle east and Afghanistan. They keep parroting lines from Times now etc 'BAJWA RUNS TO KSA', 'MASTERS ARE NOT HAPPY'
. Your opinions on these matters means zilch.
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Care to explain this leverage ?
No Saudi leader can remove a single Pakistani soldier guarding Macca and Medina. I am sure you and many Indians are surprised to hear this given that you have been fed this master slave narrative.
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Statement of SMQ means Pakistan had some info about ISRAEL-UAE Deal and intended audience were the Pro-Palestine Muslim Countries.
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Just a few weeks ago you were telling me that Pak doesn't recognize Israel because you need saudi money. Now you say they don't matter. You are more confused than Imran Khan.
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Dynamics of Pakistan-Saudi/gulf ties are way different than what is generally perceived by outsiders.
These things cannot be viewed in isolation. Few months ago, there were reports of a coup attempt against MBS from within family which was defused by Pakistan army troops there. Raheel Shareef is not playing bantay there. He is a well respected figure there who is heading an army of multiple nations. Pakistan's military is the most reliable and loyal force in ME that has protected many rulers of different kingdoms in gulf. Neither Israel nor America can provide what Pakistan can to these rulers and they respected that in the past hence all the economic assistance to Pakistan.
But the current westernized Sheikhs, these MBS types need a reality check which is why Bajwa is visiting.
Indians generally have zero idea of the affairs of middle east and Afghanistan. They keep parroting lines from Times now etc 'BAJWA RUNS TO KSA', 'MASTERS ARE NOT HAPPY'
Source of your information?
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https://www.thenews.com.pk/print/625769-coup-plot-suspected-saudi-arabia-arrests-king-s-brother-two-princes
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/03/mbs-crackdown-prompted-arrest-saudi-royals-200311143707752.html
You have to take my word on our army's role in these matters.
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Saudis can and will remove every Pakistani from saudia if they are deemed a threat to the regime.
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Dynamics of Pakistan-Saudi/gulf ties are way different than what is generally perceived by outsiders.
These things cannot be viewed in isolation. Few months ago, there were reports of a coup attempt against MBS from within family which was defused by Pakistan army troops there. Raheel Shareef is not playing bantay there. He is a well respected figure there who is heading an army of multiple nations. Pakistan's military is the most reliable and loyal force in ME that has protected many rulers of different kingdoms in gulf. Neither Israel nor America can provide what Pakistan can to these rulers and they respected that in the past hence all the economic assistance to Pakistan.
But the current westernized Sheikhs, these MBS types need a reality check which is why Bajwa is visiting.
Indians generally have zero idea of the affairs of middle east and Afghanistan. They keep parroting lines from Times now etc 'BAJWA RUNS TO KSA', 'MASTERS ARE NOT HAPPY'
Lol. Every respected media outlet has reported that Bajwa has gone to Saudi to soothe the frayed feathers.
Pakistan has provided services in return of economic assistance. If the regimes so decide that keeping Pakistan involved is detrimental to them they will go the other way.
Arab oil states have plenty of money to buy protection. Plus any attempt to remove a pro American regime will bring US into play and Pakistan is in no position to go to war with US.
The Saudis, the Emiratis etc have too many allies for Pakistan to even think of doing anything.
The only opinion that matters is that of the saudis. Not pakistanis.
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Again you are parroting the same old narrative. It is usually a waste of time to engage with Indians on these issues so I will pass.
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Or may be we dont take your word on these matters and trust respected media outlets more.
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You left out the last part of my post.
If they ban Pakistanis working from working in Saudi Arabia, it will destroy the economy as Pakistan get Billions of remittances.
However Pakistan does not need a loan from them right now. And they can live without the deferred oil payments.
I dont think they would expel 3 million Pakistanis for this issue. I dont see how it hurts them if Pakistan raises the Kashmir issue with other Muslim countries.
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Heh? Your words only?
So all these posts are based upon your imaginations only?
If I want to watch a drama, I'll switch on the TV lol. Good material for a novel, but hey, your words have no credibility. I don't even know you who you are. You are just a random person in a random forum. Why I'll trust you?
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I would never expect an Indian to trust me anyways. Enjoy your dramas on NDTV.
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Yes thats true. However the articles also say things like this:
"“This time, the Pak army and the government of Imran Khan are at the same line and length. They are two wheels of the same vehicle. They give suggestions to each other,” he added."
https://www.dawn.com/news/1574641/issues-with-saudi-arabia-almost-settled-minister
And this:
However, he added that with the changing world order every country makes policies to protect its interests. “Pakistan will follow same policy which will protect its interest.”
https://tribune.com.pk/story/225905...with-suspicion-not-in-countrys-interest-faraz
So this statement by Querishi was not an accident. The Army has been part of every foreign policy decision by the PTI government. So unless he is sacked this was intentional.
All Pakistan is asking for is a statement on Kashmir. They are not asking any country to break off relations with India. Or put sanctions on them. Or send troops to Kashmir.
The statement wont change anything regarding Kashmir, which is precisely why it should be no big deal for the OIC to give a statement on Kashmir. And its extremely insulting to Pakistan if they wont do it.
Turkey, Iran, Qatar, Azerbaijan, sure a bunch of others.
They have no leverage on India. However Pakistan is only asking for a statement of support. They can still have great relations with India. Just on this issue Pakistan wants Muslim countries to take their side.
Yes if they and UAE threaten to expel the Pakistanis working there it will destroy Pakistan's economy, as Pakistan needs the remittances.
However that seems to be a drastic measure for a small issue. There relations with India wont be hurt with a meaningless statement from the OIC. And if they cant give a statement with the OIC they should have no problem Pakistan asking for other Muslim countries to hold some sort of conference on Kashmir.
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yeah it’s almost like some of these guy have a script they follow. I wonder if these guys think they are “hurting” Pakistan by using these juvenile phrases lol.Dynamics of Pakistan-Saudi/gulf ties are way different than what is generally perceived by outsiders.
These things cannot be viewed in isolation. Few months ago, there were reports of a coup attempt against MBS from within family which was defused by Pakistan army troops there. Raheel Shareef is not playing bantay there. He is a well respected figure there who is heading an army of multiple nations. Pakistan's military is the most reliable and loyal force in ME that has protected many rulers of different kingdoms in gulf. Neither Israel nor America can provide what Pakistan can to these rulers and they respected that in the past hence all the economic assistance to Pakistan.
But the current westernized Sheikhs, these MBS types need a reality check which is why Bajwa is visiting.
Indians generally have zero idea of the affairs of middle east and Afghanistan. They keep parroting lines from Times now etc 'BAJWA RUNS TO KSA', 'MASTERS ARE NOT HAPPY'
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Yes Pakistan is not that important to make the other Muslim countries rebel against Saudi Arabia.
But they are already fighting among themselves for various reasons which have nothing do with Pakistan. Right now Turkey, Iran, and Qatar are against the Saudis. Malaysia and Indonesia dont like the Saudis that much either.
Pakistan can get a decent amount of countries to give a statement of support on Kashmir.
This wont hurt those countries relations with India, as the statement changes nothing.
Pakistan never pretended to be an advocate for every human right issue in Planet Earth. For Pakistan Kashmir is the most important issue as far as foreign policy goes since 1947, and thats the only one i think they should talk about.
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Okay. Let me ask, which other Pakistanis trust theories based upon YOUR WORDS only?
(they can come to the same conclusions via their own channel of source. Though they may agree with you, but that doesn't mean they trust you).
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And replace them with Hindutva soldiers from India maybe? Or maybe Shia soldiers who you were advocating as acceptable Muslims in India not so long ago?
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And replace them with Hindutva soldiers from India maybe? Or maybe Shia soldiers who you were advocating as acceptable Muslims in India not so long ago?
There are plenty of muslims who are ready to defend the two holy cities and plenty of people who will be willing to work in ksa.
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Islamabad is abuzz with rumours that Pakistan foreign minister Shah Mehmood Qureshi may be replaced with the human rights minister Shireen Mazari as the government tries to mend damaged relations with Saudi Arabia over the former’s remarks.
Qureshi had accused the Organisation of Islamic Conference of dilly-dallying on the Kashmir issue in remarks that were seen by Riyadh as an attack on its leadership of the organisation.
“I am once again respectfully telling OIC that a meeting of the Council of Foreign Ministers is our expectation. If you cannot convene it, then I’ll be compelled to ask Prime Minister Imran Khan to call a meeting of the Islamic countries that are ready to stand with us on the issue of Kashmir and support the oppressed Kashmiris,” Qureshi had said on a local news channel.
On Sunday, Pakistani army chief Gen Qamar Bajwa, accompanied by the head of the Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) Lt Gen Faiz left for Riyadh to meet with the Saudi leadership in an attempt to mend damaged ties.
Human rights minister Shireen Mazari publicly criticised the country’s foreign affairs ministry, saying it had let down both the Kashmiris and prime minister Khan.
Her statement is being seen as a first step to replace Qureshi in a bid to pacify the Saudis.
The statement by Mazari suggests that the Imran Khan government is publicly distancing itself from the actions and statements of foreign minister Shah Mehmood Qureshi.
Earlier on Saturday, Sheikh Rasheed, a senior member of the Imran Khan cabinet, claimed in a televised statement that relations with Saudi Arabia were already on the mend and that the army chief would be visiting the Kingdom on Sunday to iron out outstanding minor differences.
https://www.hindustantimes.com/worl...o-lose-post/story-tGIzn2GCOEdBL0v492etAK.html
Qureshi had accused the Organisation of Islamic Conference of dilly-dallying on the Kashmir issue in remarks that were seen by Riyadh as an attack on its leadership of the organisation.
“I am once again respectfully telling OIC that a meeting of the Council of Foreign Ministers is our expectation. If you cannot convene it, then I’ll be compelled to ask Prime Minister Imran Khan to call a meeting of the Islamic countries that are ready to stand with us on the issue of Kashmir and support the oppressed Kashmiris,” Qureshi had said on a local news channel.
On Sunday, Pakistani army chief Gen Qamar Bajwa, accompanied by the head of the Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) Lt Gen Faiz left for Riyadh to meet with the Saudi leadership in an attempt to mend damaged ties.
Human rights minister Shireen Mazari publicly criticised the country’s foreign affairs ministry, saying it had let down both the Kashmiris and prime minister Khan.
Her statement is being seen as a first step to replace Qureshi in a bid to pacify the Saudis.
The statement by Mazari suggests that the Imran Khan government is publicly distancing itself from the actions and statements of foreign minister Shah Mehmood Qureshi.
Earlier on Saturday, Sheikh Rasheed, a senior member of the Imran Khan cabinet, claimed in a televised statement that relations with Saudi Arabia were already on the mend and that the army chief would be visiting the Kingdom on Sunday to iron out outstanding minor differences.
https://www.hindustantimes.com/worl...o-lose-post/story-tGIzn2GCOEdBL0v492etAK.html
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If Querishi is replaced as FM, it would appear that once again the Civil-Military divide is happening in Pakistan, despite the best efforts of Imran Khan to bring the Army on the board for major decisions.
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Wait.... Why Human rights department is criticizing FM? it is unprofessional to go into public criticizing another department of the same gov. There's proper channel for it and should have gone that way instead of telling everything in the media.
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Establishment could want Querishi out, so they are building a case against him.
Or it could just be internal politics in PTI, Mazari might want the FM job for herself so she is publicly attacking him.
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Army chief arrives in Saudi Arabia
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Army chief arrives in Saudi Arabia
He should have gone in looking a bit more intimidating. Don't you think?
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[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] its sad when people cant see how the job of the ambassador or foreign minister (who are appointed by the govt) is being done by not only the coas but also the dg isi.
Insulting for any democratic govt.
And yet many here think these two are there to give a befitting reply when in reaoity they are their to appease salman apologise and beg.
In the other thread you mentioned that opposition dont have to do anything as the current govt itself is crumbling. However i disagree. The opposition has to deal with the army someway to get back into power
Insulting for any democratic govt.
And yet many here think these two are there to give a befitting reply when in reaoity they are their to appease salman apologise and beg.
In the other thread you mentioned that opposition dont have to do anything as the current govt itself is crumbling. However i disagree. The opposition has to deal with the army someway to get back into power
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Opposition is dying a slow death. People have seen through the loot khasoot group and are no more willing to come out on streets for them.
Our journey towards a better, stronger Pakistan has started. Your rona dhona is punishment for supporting crooks that plundered this country.
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The opposition does not even need to strike a deal with the army. PTI has no future without Imran. Once he is gone, the soft power will fall back into the hands of PMLN and PPP.
The likes of Bilawal and Maryam only need to bide their time because they will get their turns in the future.
PTI has no succession plan. It is a disjointed, uncoordinated party with an delusional, self-appointed messiah at the top and a bunch of opportunist, failed politicians who will be absorbed by other parties in the future.
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Not that I support what poster is saying but it’s hilarious how the respected international media outlets have credibility now but don’t when they lambast modi once a month
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Lol, Bhutto ab bhi zinda hai
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Met today with my brother, H.E. General Qamar Bajwa, Pakistan's Chief of Army Staff. We discussed bilateral relations, military cooperation, and our common vision for preserving regional security. <a href="https://t.co/PeDRCErx0i">pic.twitter.com/PeDRCErx0i</a></p>— Khalid bin Salman خالد بن سلمان (@kbsalsaud) <a href="https://twitter.com/kbsalsaud/status/1295454166349942788?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 17, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
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Saudis have discussed military coperation and security in the region with army chief. COAS must have put it to the Saudi's they need Pakistan more than they need India or Israel as only Pak will support them in security, which makes sense being Saudis biggest trainer of it's military and it being a military power unlike any other Muslim nation.
Not sure he can get them to be anti-India in regards to Kashmir.
Not sure he can get them to be anti-India in regards to Kashmir.
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Wake up PPP are finished, the youth of Pakistan will never vote for a bloke who cant even speak Urdu.
Time to move on, you've made enough money through corruption, let others have some justice now.
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PPP never won from Karachi, except for one area Lyari. Last time Bilawajah Bhutto went there for election campaigning he got boo'ed and heckled, had to run away. They have zero presence in Punjab now. Heck they couldn't even find candidates for Punjab seats in 2018. They are just present in interior Sindh.
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Thanks.
I never undertood why PPP were always being touted as the hope of Sindh esp Karachi. Im not much aware of the details of politics in Sindh but am I right in assuming due to Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto, people still held hope even when they knew PPP became a mafia who sucks the blood out of the population of Karachi.
Billawal is a joke, he should never be in Pakistan let alone have any belief he may one day become PM. I guess he is there to ensure the mafia money keeps rolling in and is protected via the many assets. Zardari has robbed so much, he doesnt know what to do with it any longer.
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They need to move on from Bilawal if they want a chance at a comeback. Maybe go for Aseefa. But before they launch her, they should make sure her Urdu is fluent.
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They can have a chance at a comeback if they go with Aseefa instead of Bilawal. Ultimately its good for Pakistan to have two mainstream political parties, that are popular all over Pakistan. The only two options are PTI and PPP. As much as i dislike PPP, i rather have them than ethnic parties or mullahs.
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Saudi Arabia and Pakistan: A partnership too important to fail
https://www.arabnews.com/node/1720441
Some key points from the article suggest that the Saudis are blaming Querishi for an "emotional outburst".
Querishi is too seasoned a politican to make the statement without at least some backing. So the question is did both Imran Khan and Bajwa back his comments, or just one of them?
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"Unfortunately, since then, the Foreign Ministry under Mr. Qureshi has been unable to build upon this initial success in international diplomacy on Kashmir. So, one plausible explanation for his frustrating bid to blame the OIC is to cover up his own failure in Kashmir.
By bringing such differences into the public domain, as FM Qureshi did through his emotional outburst over OIC’s position on Kashmir or the unverified media reports did on the Saudi economic support to Pakistan, we allow the forces inimical to the interests of both nations to sabotage their historic partnership.
Where does FM Qureshi’s diatribe stand after this? Will PM Imran Khan remind him to be careful in future, as any damage to our brotherly ties goes against our respective national interests and public aspirations?"
https://www.arabnews.com/node/1720441
Some key points from the article suggest that the Saudis are blaming Querishi for an "emotional outburst".
Querishi is too seasoned a politican to make the statement without at least some backing. So the question is did both Imran Khan and Bajwa back his comments, or just one of them?
From the article:
"Unfortunately, since then, the Foreign Ministry under Mr. Qureshi has been unable to build upon this initial success in international diplomacy on Kashmir. So, one plausible explanation for his frustrating bid to blame the OIC is to cover up his own failure in Kashmir.
By bringing such differences into the public domain, as FM Qureshi did through his emotional outburst over OIC’s position on Kashmir or the unverified media reports did on the Saudi economic support to Pakistan, we allow the forces inimical to the interests of both nations to sabotage their historic partnership.
Where does FM Qureshi’s diatribe stand after this? Will PM Imran Khan remind him to be careful in future, as any damage to our brotherly ties goes against our respective national interests and public aspirations?"
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Doesn't look good for the FM qureshi to be honest. He is getting criticized from right, left and even inside the party.
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If he is sacked it would be the second time as FM. He was sacked over the Raymond Davis issue by PPP, and pretty much kicked out of the party. He then joined PTI.
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He had huge differences with the Zardari government who wanted to send Raymond Davis abroad so he resigned as FM and left the party.
He didn't join PTI immediately, I think alot of persuasion must have taken place behind the scenes with JKT being the chief architect due to South Punjab connection. Little did JKT know that SMQ would later replace him as the second in command in the party.
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Benazir's own urdu wasn't that good.
Bilawal needs to take more charge and have his own party members accountable.
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my prediction is he isnt going anywhere. The outburst was not random. Saudis and pakistan will remain relatively close but the clock is now ticking and they know it. They have been given a shot across their bow. It also allows Pakistan the ability to reject pressure from saudi by saying "sure we'll do what you want after you release a statement on kashmir and call an OIC conference for it" knowing full well they cant.
This also gives Pakistan the freedom to plough their own road. AT the same time the relationship goes on through the military. But purely as more of a defence of the holy land issue.
In short Saudi has lost Pakistan. They just dont know it yet.
I hope IK doesnt succumb to the pressure and continues this brave policy.
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Bilawal needs to be arrested or exiled and the PPP disbanded or replaced. It is a traitorous rump of a party and must be eliminated to ensure the survival of Pakistan.
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Absolutely. This is a warning from Pakistan to Saudis that loyalty is a two way street, and cannot always be paid off with blood money.
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arrest him for what crime?
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Well, the general who was to be given a medal is back empty handed after being snubbed by MBS. Would be interesting to see how this plays out and could have major ramifications for the region.
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How he got snubbed by MBS?
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Breaking: Pakistan Army Chief Gen Qamar Javed Bajwa & DG ISI Gen Faiz Returned to Pakistan Without Meeting Saudi Crown Prince Mohammad Bin Salman. What happened in Kingdom? <br>Inside story with <a href="https://twitter.com/AmirMateen2?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@AmirMateen2</a> <br>
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Heh .. this looks like a badly written episode of HBO's 'The Brink. Just when everybody here was reassuring us about Pakistan's iron bond with Saudi Arabia, MBS slams the door on Bajwa. These are not good signs for Pakistan.
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Breaking: Pakistan Army Chief Gen Qamar Javed Bajwa & DG ISI Gen Faiz Returned to Pakistan Without Meeting Saudi Crown Prince Mohammad Bin Salman. What happened in Kingdom? <br>Inside story with <a href="https://twitter.com/AmirMateen2?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@AmirMateen2</a> <br>
If true, this could be humiliation for the general..
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Its not just that his Urdu is bad, he has absolutely no charisma. He has been launched numerous times, and it has not helped him at all.
He does not have the same connection with the people that ZAB and Benazir had. Since PPP will only have a head whos descendant from Bhutto, and since he is a proven failure, its best for PPP to try one of his sisters.
Aseefa seems the better of the two, but before she can be launched she should work on her Urdu. It should not take that long for someone to start to speaking fluent Urdu. All 3 of them have awful Urdu, and they need to work on it if they dont want to be mocked.
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Heh .. this looks like a badly written episode of HBO's 'The Brink. Just when everybody here was reassuring us about Pakistan's iron bond with Saudi Arabia, MBS slams the door on Bajwa. These are not good signs for Pakistan.
I listed to the entire video, and it seems good to me, that Pakistan is being neutral. If Iran, Saudi Arabia Turkey, want to fight among themselves its their problem, not Pakistan's.
Saudi Arabia has done alot for Pakistan, but Pakistan cant destroy their country by being involved in Middle Eastern feuds.
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Heh .. this looks like a badly written episode of HBO's 'The Brink. Just when everybody here was reassuring us about Pakistan's iron bond with Saudi Arabia, MBS slams the door on Bajwa. These are not good signs for Pakistan.
He never went to meet MBS lol. This trip was scheduled weeks ago with the schedule set. If anything meeting MBS would have meant things were much more precarious then it seems.
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Also this medal not being given talk.. what medal? I have searched far and wide to get some info on it and all I see is tweets post the meeting with no mention of what medal. What’s the source?
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I am confused by all the drama, Bajwa went their to meet his counterpart and did. Why would he even meet MBS?
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*there
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https://nation.com.pk/18-Aug-2020/coas-reaches-saudi-arabia-meets-military-top-brass
Doesn’t really seem like a humiliation. He went there on a scheduled visit, got a guard of honour and met the army chief. Why would he randomly meet the prince?
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The prince is also defense minister and most powerful person..COAS always meets him but this time it was denied..
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