Will there be riots in the USA? [George Zimmerman found not guilty!]

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George Zimmerman found not guilty of murder despite the fact he chased a young black boy and shot him in the chest.

Full case details can be found here
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Trayvon_Martin

I wonder if any riots will take place after this shocking verdict. Black people will feel aggrieved and hurt at the continuous contempt shown to them by the justice system.
 
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Highly doubt it having observed the black community over the past few years.

Theres going to be some outrage from the minorities and the liberals over the media and internet and a few token demonstrations and that will be that

secondly anyone with a passing knowledge of the american judicial system could have called it months ago so no surprise there really
 
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nah there won't be anything

at worst some people will protest

it isn't a watershed case, and most people will move on from it
 
A poignant tweet by Dwayne Wade

'How do I explain this to my young boys????'
 
In my opinion the Travyon martin teeam tried to make it a race issue and thus gain public sympathy and make it sort of a media trial

to begin with, Geroge zimmerman is not white. his mother is latino
 
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Will there be riots in the USA?

This was no case. Trayvon was young but had a troubled past, an eye witness tesrimony corroborated what Zimmerman had maintained from the start. It was unfortunate but he was killed in an act of self defense.

The prosecutors handled the case incorrectly but they didn't have a strong case to begin with
 
Will there be riots in the USA?

Rioting won't get them any where . All it leads to is the destruction of peoples own homes and towns . Not worth it . As for the case I don't know much about it could someone give me a link to a balanced article . Thanks
 
Will there be riots in the USA?

There is all ready peaceful protests going on . Wonder how long they will stay peaceful for .
 
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does this mean you can do what Zimmerman did and get away with it???

hmmmm. interesting. (opens a can of worms)
 
Will there be riots in the USA?

There won't be any zimmermans. His life as he knows it has changed. He knows he is a hated man. He can never be in a law enforcement position again. He has to relocate and live under a different identity if he is sensible. And he will still always be I set the threat of a really disgruntled brotha looking to put a cap in his ass, and ice dat foo! (To use the more popular gangsta terminology)

In other words, he knows his bori is ready and all if takes is for him to be at the wrong place at the wrong time when runs into a disgruntled, unworried about his own future kind of a dude to come along and "right" the "wrong"

There won't be any more zimmermans. People will think twice about reaching for their gun in such circumstances and will try not let it get as far as it did in this case!
 
So the lesson from this case is if you dont like the way someone looks, you can follow him and shoot him dead. And then you can manufacture whatever story you want to because the other party is dead and no one is there to catch your BS.
 
So the lesson from this case is if you dont like the way someone looks, you can follow him and shoot him dead. And then you can manufacture whatever story you want to because the other party is dead and no one is there to catch your BS.

He'll of an inference without knowing all the facts and evidence of the case. I guess the 6 member jury don't know crap but you do seem to know a lot!
 
He'll of an inference without knowing all the facts and evidence of the case. I guess the 6 member jury don't know crap but you do seem to know a lot!

Yup sure, just like OJ's jury knew everything about how he did not kill the 2 victims, while everyone else did not
 
There was a case in Texas recently where a man shot and killed an escort for not having $@#$ after paying her 150$, the jury found him innocent as well, though 9 out of 10 judges would have found him guilty
In the US, jury members can be very thick; which is why just because a jury finds someone guilty or not guilty does not really mean anything in most cases.
 
Zimmerman Acquitted...

So Zimmerman has been acquitted...

That's US Justice for you...Zimmerman was deemed to be using PROPORTIONATE force...what a joke of a country but then this is hardly surprising...

Such a straightforward rule to manipulate if you have the correct pigmentation...

Somehow I think the next black man with a hoodie who sees Zimmerman and shoots him in self defence pre-emptively wouldn't be afforded the same verdict...this despite Zimmerman's penchant for hunting and murdering black people and even if Zimmerman was armed...

The US applying rules its used abroad at home :) ...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-23304198
 
Here is what is supposed to have happened

GZ suspected the black kid of being a robber so he followed him with a gun.
When he confronted the kid, a fight broke out, and as GZ was losing , he shoots him.

What Trevor did is something quite a few people would do when they are confronted by a short, fat man with a gun.

GZ was a coward and wimp, he wanted to scare Trevor, then when he was getting beaten up, he shot him.

So the lesson is if you ever are in a fight, you can always shoot the other person if he is winning
 
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In the US its ok for a white person to kill a black guy, whereas if you black the death sentence is immediately put on the cards. This was even discussed on CNN a while back.
Stats show white on black killing leads to fewer death penalties as compared to black on white.

Before you reply with an insipid remark that "blacks do most of the killing", the survey was done based on the percentage of whites convicted and how many of them got the death penalty instead of an X amount of years to life in prison.

I've always said America is immoral as a country and bunch of hypocrites
 
Why are people so clueless

Zimmerman is not white! Far from it! he's latino mixed race

some black people and minorities in genral have a severe victimization complex
 
Why are people so clueless

Zimmerman is not white! Far from it! he's latino mixed race

some black people and minorities in genral have a severe victimization complex

Black life is cheap in AMerica. It doesn't matter if the shooter isn't fully white.

The Jury didn't see the stalking and killing of a black man as murder. Shame on America.
 
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^ LOL

its funny to see people jumping on US's justice system

the decision was given on facts and evidence and not on compassion and social media support
 
Hispanic is a nonse classification, the guy is white period. America is too obsessed with race categories. Even black americans describe themselves as "African American" what am i then? "African South African"?
 
not sure if you guys know this or not but the kid attached zimmerman first at which point zimmerman shot him while the kid was on top of him, attacking.
 
Hispanic is a nonse classification, the guy is white period. America is too obsessed with race categories. Even black americans describe themselves as "African American" what am i then? "African South African"?

Do you live in the US? Sounds like you dl don't know crap!

Hispanics are the biggest minority in US, bigger than African Americans, race relations here are different between whites, blacks, Asians, Latinos and others.

In case of Zimmerman, ignorance of state laws in Florida, actual circumstances and evidence of the case are resulting in all the people here blaming this on racism.

I suggest you guys google stand your ground law and spend a little time reading up on the case.

Also people comparing this with OJ, don't be childish. It's comparing apples and oranges. Oj claimed he never killed her. Zimmerman never claimed he didn't shoot Martin. It was the circumstances under which he shot him that are the key here.

Not saying what happened was right but the justice system here did the right thing. End of story.
 
No 1 will ever know the truth.

End of the day people have to accept the verdict, the jury did deliberate for a long time but most likely the evidence was not strong enough for a conviction - hence not guilty.
 
Fact is if this was a black man shooting a white dude he would be found guilty NO DOUBT about it. Even whites know this, I know apologist will justify the verdict by saying that he is not white he is half this and that but the reality remains if the tables were turn the verdict would categorically be different.

The reason black are presucated throughout their history is because they never take a stand against injustice and the same thing will happen now a few speechess and demos and than all is forgotten. They have been programmed to fight and kill one another to really care about what happens outside their hood.
 
trigger happy gun owners, are loving this verdict, pick a minority~chase him~start a fight~let him hit you~ shoot him a..k.a stand your ground.

Have you lot even seen the pic of trevorn when he was shot dead, by listening to media-they typically stereotyped him,
he was wearing like skinny jeans and a normal hoodie - not even a baggy one
 
Fact is if this was a black man shooting a white dude he would be found guilty NO DOUBT about it. Even whites know this, I know apologist will justify the verdict by saying that he is not white he is half this and that but the reality remains if the tables were turn the verdict would categorically be different.

The reason black are presucated throughout their history is because they never take a stand against injustice and the same thing will happen now a few speechess and demos and than all is forgotten. They have been programmed to fight and kill one another to really care about what happens outside their hood.

OJ killed a white woman and her white boyfriend and got away with it!
 
How can you be "standing your ground" when you follow someone based on a baseless suspicion?

If you think someone is up to no good shouldn't you call the cops?

What this Zimerman did is completely unacceptable which ever way you look at it. I wonder if he shot a white guy who he thought was "suspicious" we'd have the same verdict.

And someone asked a good question above which no one had the balls to answer.
HOW MANY BLACKS WERE ON THE JURY (if any)?
 
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Am I right in saying that any black person can shoot this guy in self defence even if Zimmerman isn't armed?...

Seems you can be in imminent danger even if you are the one doing the stalking...

You can be judged as using proportionate force even if the person you shoot is armed with skittles and iced tea...

How anyone can defend this verdict is beyond me...
 
How can you be "standing your ground" when you follow someone based on a baseless suspicion?

If you think someone is up to no good shouldn't you call the cops?

What this Zimerman did is completely unacceptable which ever way you look at it. I wonder if he shot a white guy who he thought was "suspicious" we'd have the same verdict.

And someone asked a good question above which no one had the balls to answer.
HOW MANY BLACKS WERE ON THE JURY (if any)?

http://www.cnn.com/2013/06/20/justice/florida-zimmerman-trial
 
Gary Younge's removed Guardian Article

Open season on black boys after a verdict like this



Calls for calm after George Zimmerman was acquitted of murdering Trayvon Martin are empty words for black families

Let it be noted that on this day, Saturday 13 July 2013, it was still deemed legal in the US to chase and then shoot dead an unarmed young black man on his way home from the store because you didn't like the look of him.

The killing of 17-year-old Trayvon Martin last year was tragic. But in the age of Obama the acquittal of George Zimmerman offers at least that clarity. For the salient facts in this case were not in dispute. On 26 February 2012 Martin was on his way home, minding his own business armed only with a can of iced tea and a bag of Skittles. Zimmerman pursued him, armed with a 9mm handgun, believing him to be a criminal. Martin resisted. They fought. Zimmerman shot him dead.

Who screamed. Who was stronger. Who called whom what and when and why are all details to warm the heart of a cable news producer with 24 hours to fill. Strip them all away and the truth remains that Martin's heart would still be beating if Zimmerman had not chased him down and shot him.

There is no doubt about who the aggressor was here. The only reason the two interacted at all, physically or otherwise, is that Zimmerman believed it was his civic duty to apprehend an innocent teenager who caused suspicion by his existence alone.

Appeals for calm in the wake of such a verdict raise the question of what calm there can possibly be in a place where such a verdict is possible. Parents of black boys are not likely to feel calm. Partners of black men are not likely to feel calm. Children with black fathers are not likely to feel calm. Those who now fear violent social disorder must ask themselves whose interests are served by a violent social order in which young black men can be thus slain and discarded.

But while the acquittal was shameful it was not a shock. It took more than six weeks after Martin's death for Zimmerman to be arrested and only then after massive pressure both nationally and locally. Those who dismissed this as a political trial (a peculiar accusation in the summer of Bradley Manning and Edward Snowden) should bear in mind that it was politics that made this case controversial.

Charging Zimmerman should have been a no-brainer. He was not initially charged because Florida has a "stand your ground" law whereby deadly force is permitted if the person "reasonably believes" it is necessary to protect their own life, the life of another or to prevent a forcible felony.

Since it was Zimmerman who stalked Martin, the question remains: what ground is a young black man entitled to and on what grounds may he defend himself? What version of events is there for that night in which Martin gets away with his life? Or is it open season on black boys after dark?

Zimmerman's not guilty verdict will be contested for years to come. But he passed judgement on Trayvon that night summarily.

"****ing punks," Zimmerman told the police dispatcher that night. "These ********. They always get away."

So true it's painful. And so predictable it hurts.
 
The more I read about it the sadder I feel. What a tragic waste of life. I know if somebody was following me to my house when I was 17 and I thought I could take him I would go for it just like the kid did.
 
So you can follow someone armed with a gun and shoot him dead, not be arrested for weeks and then walk away innocent in court

And this is called justice?
 
Reading about the case, it seems both men were in the wrong place and the wrong time. This community had a history of crime and a neighbourhood watch team was set up to tackle this issue which had raised tensions considerably in this place.

Martin has a troubled youth but there is no evidence that Martin was about to commit any criminality. Zimmerman was being a paranoid hothead who acted against the advice of police who told him to stay in his car and not pursue Martin who clearly was confused as to why this guy was following him. I can understand Zimmerman being concerned because of previous break ins in the community and it must also be said that he did not raise Martin's race until he was prompted. Florida's stand your ground laws also must be looked at.

The racial issue seems overstated and I can totally understand the precarious state of race relartions in the US but the prosecution didn't seem to make a sufficient case.
 
We all know about US 'justice' just look at the stain on that Country's consciousness with the prevalence of Guantanamo Bay and continued extra-judicial killing of innocents by drone strikes.
 
Latinos are Caucasians, Zimmerman has( ? had) 2 Caucasian parents.
I never thought Zimmerman should be found guilty of 2nd degree murder, but he should have been guilty of man-slaughter. I don't know or care for all the facts. All I know is that if Zimmerman had not racially profiled and gone after TM, TM would have not died that night.
 
Martin has a troubled youth but there is no evidence that Martin was about to commit any criminality.

Funnily Trayvons "past" is being used as justification, direct or indirect for George to shoot him

But what all the George Z Fanboys never mention is the wonderful record of their hero:

He has fought with police officers and has beaten his fiancee. Had been fired from a security job for over-aggressive behavior including injuring a patron, and was complained against for stalking people as part of his vigilante role “It was also made known that there had been several complaints about George Zimmerman and his tactics" in his neighborhood watch role.

I am sure they can get a better poster boy than a short, fat man who beats women and stalks anyone he does not like.
 
Latinos are Caucasians, Zimmerman has( ? had) 2 Caucasian parents.
I never thought Zimmerman should be found guilty of 2nd degree murder, but he should have been guilty of man-slaughter. I don't know or care for all the facts. All I know is that if Zimmerman had not racially profiled and gone after TM, TM would have not died that night.

Why did Zimmerman went after TM?

I still wonder how Zimmerman was overpowered by Tryvone (IF anything, one on one , Zimmerman looks stronger)?

If Zimmerman didnt had a gun, would their have been a death?

If everything was lawfull then law needs to be changed to send Zimmerman to prison.
 
Why did Zimmerman went after TM?

I still wonder how Zimmerman was overpowered by Tryvone (IF anything, one on one , Zimmerman looks stronger)?

If Zimmerman didnt had a gun, would their have been a death?

If everything was lawfull then law needs to be changed to send Zimmerman to prison.

Well said.
 
Meanwhile, a Floridian black woman turns a gun on her wife-beater husband, misses him and shoots the wall, and gets 20 years for attempted murder.

My country 'tis of thee
sweet land of bigotry.
 
Being black is a crime in the home of freedom and democracy even though they have a black president.

This is the country that is the worlds police :facepalm:
 
2 facts from the case

1.Zimmerman was following trayvon, following someone is not against the law unless zimmerman was harassing or impeding on trayvons ability to move or function, which their is no proof that zimmerman was doing.
2. Zimmerman was getting his butt kicked and shot trayvon.

pretty hard to get a 2nd degree charge based on this. Prosecution over charged from the start.

Zimmermans past criminal record or trayvons texts bragging about beating people up and wanting to be a gangster are irrelevant.
 
Being black is a crime in the home of freedom and democracy even though they have a black president.

This is the country that is the worlds police :facepalm:

In spite of all these mind boggling judgements, USA is still better than any of our 3rd world countries.

USA is not perfect. But it is still the closest to equal rights for all citizens in this entire world.
 
This is the link to the case you mentioned. No criminal background, guy hitting her, she shoots a warning shot. No one gets hurt. And bam, send to 20 years prison for being black.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/19/marissa-alexander-gets-20_n_1530035.html

I haven't looked closely at this case but it seems more complicated than what certain people are making it out to be.

At some point during the altercation, Alexander went into the garage. She claims she could not flee because the garage door was not working and she did not have the keys to her car. Alexander grabbed her handgun from inside the glove compartment and went back into the house. She fired a single shot at Gray, who was standing in the living room with his sons, ages nine and 13. The shot missed.

Alexander's family claims she was an experienced shooter and the trajectory of the bullet proves she was not aiming to kill or injure anyone. But Corey disputed these claims, with photographs showing bullet holes in walls at near "adult-height".

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/may/17/stand-your-ground-marissa-alexander

She goes to her garage grabs a gun then walks into her living room and shoots toward a man with with his 2 young sons in the living room and then claims self defense? Kind of different than Zimmerman who according to the evidence shot trayvon while his head was being banged into the ground.

And I am not saying that Zimmerman or the husband weren't wrong but in the court of law only facts matter.
 
In spite of all these mind boggling judgements, USA is still better than any of our 3rd world countries.

USA is not perfect. But it is still the closest to equal rights for all citizens in this entire world.

I think the UK is pretty high up too in fact I believe it is better than the US in that aspect .
 
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In spite of all these mind boggling judgements, USA is still better than any of our 3rd world countries.

USA is not perfect. But it is still the closest to equal rights for all citizens in this entire world.

On a side note, saw Michael Moore's 'Sicko' last night so I can't agree with the above statement.
 
"Stand-your-ground law" what kind of joke of law is that. Enroll to neighbourhood watch scheme, Peep through your window and see a black teen walking. Come out with your gun in the street and call him a theif. He is a teenager he will be rash. He punches you and you shoot him to death...

I am sorry, Even if it is standing your ground how can you expect to justify against a 17 year old kid and provocation.
 
On a side note, saw Michael Moore's 'Sicko' last night so I can't agree with the above statement.

European social democracies > American laissez-faire capitalism

Europe actually takes care of its own.
 
Quoting one of the replies:

There is a difference between gang violence and a case when a man stalks a guy with a gun, and when challenged shoots his dead, and then is not arrested by police.

What do you mean by stalking, and who challenged who?.

I ask these questions because the witnesses to this seem to have a different opinion to you.
 
Not much evidence coming out about this.

One of the six female jurors who acquitted the Florida neighbourhood watch leader George Zimmerman of murdering Trayvon Martin has revealed that three of the panel originally wanted to convict him.

The middle-aged woman, who is white and has grown-up children, said she and her fellow jurors believed that Martin, an unarmed black 17-year-old, threw the first punch in the fatal confrontation, leaving Zimmerman in fear of his life. That, she said, was the determining factor in why the three changed their minds.

The woman, with her face blacked out and identified only as juror B-37, insisted that justice had been served. "George Zimmerman is a man whose heart was in the right place, but just got displaced by the vandalism in the neighbourhood and wanting to catch these people so badly that he went above and beyond what he really should have done," she told CNN's Anderson Cooper on Monday night.

"It just went terribly wrong," she said. "Things just got out of hand. I think he's guilty of not using good judgment."

The panel deliberated for more than 16 hours before all of them accepted that Zimmerman acted in self-defence, she said. In their first poll, one juror thought he was guilty of second-degree murder and two of manslaughter.

"It was just so confusing what went with what and what we could apply to what," she said. "There was a couple of them in there that wanted to find him guilty of something. And after hours and hours and hours of deliberating about the law and reading it over and over and over again, we decided there's just no way or other place to go.

"Because of the heat of the moment and stand your ground, he had a right to defend himself. If he felt threatened his life was going to be taken away from him or he's going to have bodily harm then he had a right. That's how we read the law, that's how we got to the point of everybody being not guilty."

She pointed to two pieces of evidence that were key to the case: the screams heard on a recording of a 911 call made by a resident of Sanford's Retreat at Twin Lakes gated community on 26 February last year, and the instructions of a police dispatcher whom Zimmerman called on a non-emergency line to report a "suspicious male".

"It was George Zimmerman's. Because of the evidence that he had gotten beaten," she said when Cooper asked her whose voice the jury believed it was. She said the conflicting testimony of Martin's mother, Sybrina Fulton, and Gladys Zimmerman each claiming it was their son cancelled the other out.

The police dispatcher, she said, was also at fault. "[Zimmerman] shouldn't have gotten out of that car. The operator kind of egged him on. He should have said, 'Stay in your car,' not 'Can you see where he's gone?'."

She insisted that the race of the two parties – Martin was black, Zimmerman of mixed white-Hispanic parentage – never came up in the jury room.

"The circumstances caused George to think he might be a robber or do something bad because of what had gone on," she said, referring to a recent series of burglaries in the development.

"If there was another person, Spanish, white, Asian, if they came in the same situation Trayvon was in, I think George would have reacted in the exact same way. We never had this discussion. I think he just profiled him because he was the neighbourhood watch, he profiled anyone who came in who did something strange."

Several other statements the juror made highlighted the difficulties of processing so much information to try to reach a verdict. She referred several times to a 911 call that she said Zimmerman made, even though his call was to a police non-emergency line.

She was confused when asked who she thought was the most credible witness. "The doctor, and I don't know his name," she replied. "He was awe-inspiring, the experience he had over in the war, I never thought somebody could recognise somebody's voice yelling, a terrible, terror voice."

Cooper asked if she meant a friend of Zimmerman's, a man named John Donnelly who served as a combat medic in Vietnam and who testified that he recognised the defendant's voice on the tape. The juror, however, said no, she was referring instead to the "defence medical examiner". That witness, Dr Vincent DiMaio, gave evidence about Martin's gunshot wound, not the recording.

The woman concluded the interview in tears as she recounted the emotional toll of the experience. "It's just hard thinking that somebody lost their life and nothing else can be done about it," she said. "Both of them could have walked away, it just didn't happen. I feel sorry for them both.

"I wanted people to know that we put everything into everything to get this verdict. We thought about it for hours and cried over it afterward."
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jul/16/george-zimmerman-jurors-trayvon-martin
 
What do you mean by stalking, and who challenged who?.

I ask these questions because the witnesses to this seem to have a different opinion to you.
Their are two issues
1. The law is being misused to hide the mistaken killing or killing in a fit or killing just because you had the gun and other one didnt....

Read the case. Zimmerman thought that this black kid was potential thief hence went after him.

Now after that till police is called no one knows what Zimmerman said or what the kid said. But its very easy to figure out possible direction of conversation and why the kid would have punched him.
If you want to simulate the scenario just call a 17 year old a thief and start asking stupid question. See how many times you receive the punch....

2. Racism....

Zimmerman claims he would have gone after any other person if he raised his suspicion and would have behaved exactly same way.
Question is what raised suspicion? Black kid in the neighborhood???? Would he have the balls to kill a white kid otr his brain would have profiled the white kid walking as a theif.
 
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Their are two issues
1. The law is being misused to hide the mistaken killing or killing in a fit or killing just because you had the gun and other one didnt....

Read the case. Zimmerman thought that this black kid was potential thief hence went after him.

Now after that till police is called no one knows what Zimmerman said or what the kid said. But its very easy to figure out possible direction of conversation and why the kid would have punched him.
If you want to simulate the scenario just call a 17 year old a thief and start asking stupid question. See how many times you receive the punch....

2. Racism....

Zimmerman claims he would have gone after any other person if he raised his suspicion and would have behaved exactly same way.
Question is what raised suspicion? Black kid in the neighborhood???? Would he have the balls to kill a white kid otr his brain would have profiled the white kid walking as a theif.

Was there any conversation between the kid and Zimmerman, according to evidence there was no conversation. According to Zimmerman he was king hit by Martin, that seems to be backed up by a witness.

Racism, why is it racism, just because one is Hispanic and one is black alone is not reason to call it racism.
 
Was there any conversation between the kid and Zimmerman, according to evidence there was no conversation. According to Zimmerman he was king hit by Martin, that seems to be backed up by a witness.

Racism, why is it racism, just because one is Hispanic and one is black alone is not reason to call it racism.

:facepalm: King hit.

Rachel Jeantel, 19, says she was on the phone with Trayvon right before he was killed and that George Zimmerman stared at and then came after the young man who tried several times to run away. She was one of three state witnesses Wednesday who painted Zimmerman as the aggressor in the deadly confrontation that later sparked racial controversy and protests around the country.

"A man was watching him," Jeantel said. "He (Trayvon) told me he was going to try to lose him."

Just someone was another shade of white doesnt mean that he can never be classed as racist.
 
:facepalm: King hit.



Just someone was another shade of white doesnt mean that he can never be classed as racist.

But if you are going to class him as racist then you need to provide the evidence to support that claim.

Just because the victim is black does not make it racism. 37 days after this incident there was a similar case but both were white and there still has been no charges but there is not the same amount of media coverage because the victim was not black.

Have a read of this case.
http://www.chicagonewsreport.com/2012/04/daniel-adkins-killer-claims-self.html
 
^ Gilly... I am saying their are two individual issues here. The misuse of "Stand your Ground"... In Zimmermans case he was aspiring to become a policeman. He knew exactly how to build the case. If you check initial interviews you can see how meticulous and careful he was with his words.




Regarding racism... My comment is only reason Zimmerman went after the black kid in the neighbourhood was that he was black.
I also think he would have thought twice before shooting a white boy even if he would reacted the exact same way.

Honestly, I think he probably wanted to become a Hero in the community by taking the law in his hands and it all became a big mess
 
^ Gilly... I am saying their are two individual issues here. The misuse of "Stand your Ground"... In Zimmermans case he was aspiring to become a policeman. He knew exactly how to build the case. If you check initial interviews you can see how meticulous and careful he was with his words.




Regarding racism... My comment is only reason Zimmerman went after the black kid in the neighbourhood was that he was black.
I also think he would have thought twice before shooting a white boy even if he would reacted the exact same way.

Honestly, I think he probably wanted to become a Hero in the community by taking the law in his hands and it all became a big mess

You have made a lot of assumptions which by the way are completely different to the conclusions that the jury came to. I know the next thing is now to say the jury must be racist because they came to a different conclusion to you.

It wouldent matter if he was innocent or if it was just a crime the result was never going to be different, whatever happened whoever did what Zimmermen was going to be called racist and the justice system was going to be labelled racist simply because Martin was black. Martin didn't deserve to die and Zimmerman should be held accountable for his actions but that will never happen because no matter what happened its not about the facts its about color.
 
You have made a lot of assumptions which by the way are completely different to the conclusions that the jury came to. I know the next thing is now to say the jury must be racist because they came to a different conclusion to you.

It wouldent matter if he was innocent or if it was just a crime the result was never going to be different, whatever happened whoever did what Zimmermen was going to be called racist and the justice system was going to be labelled racist simply because Martin was black. Martin didn't deserve to die and Zimmerman should be held accountable for his actions but that will never happen because no matter what happened its not about the facts its about color.
Just because TM isn't alive to counter the so called Zimmerman claims doesnt necessarily make it all fact. Its just lack of evidence to refute the claims in court of law. Dont blame me or millions others for applying common sense.

I dont call the jury suspect at all. However I suspect the inefficeicy of police in all this.
 
Was there any conversation between the kid and Zimmerman, according to evidence there was no conversation. According to Zimmerman he was king hit by Martin, that seems to be backed up by a witness.

Racism, why is it racism, just because one is Hispanic and one is black alone is not reason to call it racism.

As per the jurors they believed that Martin was on top of Zimmerman.... Not King Hit? Where did you find the king hit theory?

Even juror didnt believe the The Zimmerman claim that TM was reaching for Zimmermans Gun as correct. He portrayed himself a "wannabe Policeman" and TM a "Suspect"

Any more evidences you need that Zimmerman successfully fabricated a case.
 
This is a just verdict.

GZ was never guilty of the charges. If ever there was a case of self defense this was it!

For the spin meister basketball and hip hop stars asking what they should tell their children?
Very simple, tell them NOT to start fights and then expect to be treated with kid gloves.

TM attacked GZ plain and simple, GZ's voice was on that 911 call, after all how often will a person bashing someone else's skull on concrete cry for help. Thats a ludicrous insinuation to begin with.

BTW TM has many videos on Youtube where he officiates so called Bum fights and MMA style freestyle fights, the kid was a thug , he instigated a fight , the man shot him in self defense.
 
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As per the jurors they believed that Martin was on top of Zimmerman.... Not King Hit? Where did you find the king hit theory?

Even juror didnt believe the The Zimmerman claim that TM was reaching for Zimmermans Gun as correct. He portrayed himself a "wannabe Policeman" and TM a "Suspect"

Any more evidences you need that Zimmerman successfully fabricated a case.



Where do you get your information?
Dr Vincent DiMeio testified that GZ's statement that TM was on top of him was consistent with the evidence.
That evidence being the position of the sweatshirt bullet hole. Also his head wound/ broken nose are consistent with being attacked by someone on top.

In fact he explained and demonstrated it perfectly.
Also on the jurors mind was the key testimony of Det Serino who told GZ he may have have some video of the encounter,upon hearing that GZ held his hands together and said "Thank God for that". Why would a liar be grateful and thankful for such a video?
 
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Meanwhile, a Floridian black woman turns a gun on her wife-beater husband, misses him and shoots the wall, and gets 20 years for attempted murder.

My country 'tis of thee
sweet land of bigotry.

Robert the woman had an altercation and then went back to the garage to get the gun.
She invoked SYG, whereas the law is very clear if you disengage then there's a cool off period where you were able to get away from the life threatening situation. The fact that she went back after going to the garage rendered SYG moot.
 
As per the jurors they believed that Martin was on top of Zimmerman.... Not King Hit? Where did you find the king hit theory?

Even juror didnt believe the The Zimmerman claim that TM was reaching for Zimmermans Gun as correct. He portrayed himself a "wannabe Policeman" and TM a "Suspect"

Any more evidences you need that Zimmerman successfully fabricated a case.

Where did I get the king hit theory, well I just read the story about the court case about what was said.

On 13 July 2013, Zimmerman was acquitted of murder by the jury of six women, five of whom were white and one Hispanic, in the Florida state court. The jury accepted Zimmerman's contention that he shot Trayvon in self-defence, believing his life to be in immediate danger. He claimed Trayvon had emerged from the darkness to break his nose with a sucker punch and smash his head on a concrete pavement.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jul/15/trayvon-martin-george-zimmerman-key-moments

Now its back to you to claim that Zimmerman was lying.
 
This is a just verdict.

GZ was never guilty of the charges. If ever there was a case of self defense this was it!

For the spin meister basketball and hip hop stars asking what they should tell their children?
Very simple, tell them NOT to start fights and then expect to be treated with kid gloves.


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Too bad GZ succeeded this time, but next time someone fights and possibly kills him, we will hear lessons on how vigilantes should not follow people with guns just because you dont like how they look

People are all too happy to use TM's youtubes against him, but they conveniently ignore that GZ had a number of run-ins with the law including shoving police officers, stalking a man littering on the road, was fired from a job for over aggressive behavior and had complaints for his over the top behavior as a watch scout
 
Where did I get the king hit theory, well I just read the story about the court case about what was said.

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Once again...Evidence please? I gave the evidence that refutes your king Hit theory.


Now its back to you to claim that Zimmerman was lying.

I gave the evidence which says jury thought Zimmerman was lying when Zimmerman claimed that TM went for his gun.
They also thought that at times Zimmerman was over exaggerating the danger... I.e. another set of lies.

However judgement of acquittal has been on only and only one logic. At that movement of time when TM was over Zimmerman, Zimmerman genuinely thought TM will kill him and he has right of defense.

This jury judgement isnt contextualized to rest of events leading to TMs death. So stop defending the context of it as that is already indefensible. Your very own jury thinks so.

And hence go back to my previous points about misuse of law and racism.
 
GZimmerman had the gun

GZ followed (despite police told him not to) after Trayvon

GZ confronted Trayvon

GZ shot and killed Trayvon

if this is self defense......then i'm Santa Clause.
 
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