Will there be riots in the USA? [George Zimmerman found not guilty!]

[LongHorn]

GZimmerman had the gun

GZ followed (despite police told him not to) after Trayvon

GZ confronted Trayvon

GZ shot and killed Trayvon

if this is self defense......then i'm Santa Clause.

All this is irrelevant to the GZ brigade, instead all they care about is Trayvons "past" and how he was a wannabe gangster and how GZ was an innocent God fearing person about to be killed for no reason when he shot in self defence

 

[LethalSami]

if they are worried about Trayvons "past"...they'd be SHOCKED by GZ's past...

anyways past is overrated...present we're living in....especially important is what happened THAT night


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[Gilly]

Some people are just so desperate to make this a black v white case, disregard all the facts and just look at the color of who was involved.

 

[bin_pendi_ka_lota]

Some people are just so desperate to make this a black v white case, disregard all the facts and just look at the color of who was involved.

Nope. Now I understand why my point isnt going across. You are totally missing the point here .For most people atleast on this thread its all about Blacks, Black's treatment, Blacks taboo and Black's right , incorrect law , guns and so on.
Its not about whites at all. Whites word is just used to show disparity and inconsistency in the eyes of law

 

[Robert]

All this is irrelevant to the GZ brigade, instead all they care about is Trayvons "past" and how he was a wannabe gangster and how GZ was an innocent God fearing person about to be killed for no reason when he shot in self defence

What about the bruising to the back of GZ's head? There was evidence of a fight between the two. What we don't know is who started the fight.

I agree that GZ is an aggressive character but I don't think there was sufficient evidence for conviction on a murder charge. Perhaps the prosecutors should have gone for Manslaugher instead. Then he would have served some time.

As it stands, GZ will face a civil charge now, likely be found in fault on balance of probability and be financially ruined like OJ was.

 

[bin_pendi_ka_lota]

What about the bruising to the back of GZ's head? There was evidence of a fight between the two. What we don't know is who started the fight.

I agree that GZ is an aggressive character but I don't think there was sufficient evidence for conviction on a murder charge. Perhaps the prosecutors should have gone for Manslaugher instead. Then he would have served some time.

As it stands, GZ will face a civil charge now, likely be found in fault on balance of probability and be financially ruined like OJ was.

Yes, Agree with that. There wasnt any established motive.
However If he was convicted of murder the police wouldn't have had any room to justify why it let him go.

 

[Gilly]

Nope. Now I understand why my point isnt going across. You are totally missing the point here .For most people atleast on this thread its all about Blacks, Black's treatment, Blacks taboo and Black's right , incorrect law , guns and so on.
Its not about whites at all. Whites word is just used to show disparity and inconsistency in the eyes of law

So how do you explain Daniel Adkins death then. Same situation but colors reversed and the outcome exactaly the same. Where is the disparity and inconsistency in the eyes of law.

 

[bin_pendi_ka_lota]

^ The Black guy is at fault. Its a classic case against "GUN" and against the "Stand your Ground" law. Their also I dont believe that anyone would have died if the Gun wasnt at there...

However here the context is much more different, Row between the two didnt start by accident. And victim is a kid. And he went into police files as Suspect.

 

[USaqaf]

GZimmerman had the gun

GZ followed (despite police told him not to) after Trayvon

GZ confronted Trayvon

GZ shot and killed Trayvon

if this is self defense......then i'm Santa Clause.

The evidence flies in the face of your logic.

Firstly it is not unlawful to carry a gun.

There should be an equitable reaction to provcation, if GZ confronted him with words TM should reply with words NOT punch him in the face.

POLICE did not tell not to follow, a 911 dispatch did, he's not law enforcement first of all, secondly the 911 dispatch guy Shawn was brought to the stand where he testified that in addition to telling him not to follow he ALSO asked George in which direction TM was walking. So on one hand he tells him to stop to which George says OK , and on the other he sort of tells him to continue following.
Clear Santa?

Expect the following:

Lawsuit against NBC
Lawsuit against ABC
Lawsuit against the State of FL and probably disbarment of Angela Corey for her shameful unethical conduct after the verdict.

 

[USaqaf]

Too bad GZ succeeded this time, but next time someone fights and possibly kills him, we will hear lessons on how vigilantes should not follow people with guns just because you dont like how they look

People are all too happy to use TM's youtubes against him, but they conveniently ignore that GZ had a number of run-ins with the law including shoving police officers, stalking a man littering on the road, was fired from a job for over aggressive behavior and had complaints for his over the top behavior as a watch scout

In addition people are not aware of George's service to Blacks, he tutored 2 black kids even after funding was cut, he organised protests for a homeless black man who was shot and killed by police.
Well TM's family should consider themselves lucky , police found pictures of unaccounted for jewelry and electronics on Trayvons phone. Not to mention numerous texts highlighting his nefarious nocturnal activities.

 

[USaqaf]

What about the bruising to the back of GZ's head? There was evidence of a fight between the two. What we don't know is who started the fight.

I agree that GZ is an aggressive character but I don't think there was sufficient evidence for conviction on a murder charge. Perhaps the prosecutors should have gone for Manslaugher instead. Then he would have served some time.

As it stands, GZ will face a civil charge now, likely be found in fault on balance of probability and be financially ruined like OJ was.

He will get immunity from Civil charges because this time unlike the criminal case, he will invoke SYG.If you read the law it's clear, he will get it.
Once said immunity is granted , TM's family will have to pay all costs associated with the case and unfortunately will ruin them more.

Secondly , in FL there are no shades of manslaughter like other states, therefore, he wouldnt have been found guilty under manslaughter either, self defense is self defense especially when deadly use of force is utilized when there's no option to retreat.

 

[mooz]

What about the bruising to the back of GZ's head? There was evidence of a fight between the two. What we don't know is who started the fight.

I agree that GZ is an aggressive character but I don't think there was sufficient evidence for conviction on a murder charge. Perhaps the prosecutors should have gone for Manslaugher instead. Then he would have served some time.

As it stands, GZ will face a civil charge now, likely be found in fault on balance of probability and be financially ruined like OJ was.

GZ was also found not guilty of manslaughter( in addition to not guilty of 2nd degree murder). How he was acquitted of manslaughter I really can't understand.

Re: your first point. There was a struggle between GZ and TM, TM was winning and GZ shot him dead. Its clear the GZ started it by following TM while armed with a gun. He had no business going after TM, he only followed him because he was a black kid. I am sure he was emboldened by having a gun. Lucky for him TM was not a criminal armed with a gun.

Likely outcome is a civil suit, maybe GZ loses that. He will be OK financially, he will make millions off a book deal, maybe a movie also.

 

[mooz]

He will get immunity from Civil charges because this time unlike the criminal case, he will invoke SYG.If you read the law it's clear, he will get it.
Once said immunity is granted , TM's family will have to pay all costs associated with the case and unfortunately will ruin them more.

Secondly , in FL there are no shades of manslaughter like other states, therefore, he wouldnt have been found guilty under manslaughter either, self defense is self defense especially when deadly use of force is utilized when there's no option to retreat.

Where do you come up with this stuff?
He was also tried for manslaughter and he was found not guilty.

 

[USaqaf]

Where do you come up with this stuff?
He was also tried for manslaughter and he was found not guilty.

Seriously?


Voluntary and involuntary manslaughter are the 2 types (shades). FL doesn't have these it just has manslaughter and the instruction to convict on this is also pretty clear.

 

[OZGOD]

George Zimmerman found not guilty of murder despite the fact he chased a young black boy and shot him in the chest.

Full case details can be found here
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Trayvon_Martin

I wonder if any riots will take place after this shocking verdict. Black people will feel aggrieved and hurt at the continuous contempt shown to them by the justice system.

Personally I'm tired of hearing about this case though. CNN, MSNBC and FOX are all showing this 24/7. There are so many people dying in the world and even in the US. Did you know that when the coup in Egypt happened CNN only briefly cut to it because they wanted to get back to Zimmerman's lawyer droning on about something or other in the courtroom? What about Malala's speech to the UN? The Asiana airlines crash?

Clearly the bloke got off very lightly for shooting someone, but the problem is with a) the Stand Your Ground law in Florida and other states that make it legal for you to shoot someone if you feel they are threatening you; and b) the prosecution who should have tried him for manslaughter instead of 2nd degree murder.

That said, hundreds of people are shot in Chicago every day, where are the riots for them? Where is the TV coverage for them? Stuff is happening all over the world but when I check my CNN/MSNBC or FOX channel all I hear are armies of experts and talking heads talking endlessly about this case. They are interviewing jurors, friends of jurors, friends of those friends of jurors, friends of the lawyers...yada yada. It's pathetic.

I had to change my CNN edition from CNN US to CNN International, I couldn't bear hearing it anymore.

 

[OZGOD]

So Zimmerman has been acquitted...

That's US Justice for you...Zimmerman was deemed to be using PROPORTIONATE force...what a joke of a country but then this is hardly surprising...

Such a straightforward rule to manipulate if you have the correct pigmentation...

Somehow I think the next black man with a hoodie who sees Zimmerman and shoots him in self defence pre-emptively wouldn't be afforded the same verdict...this despite Zimmerman's penchant for hunting and murdering black people and even if Zimmerman was armed...

The US applying rules its used abroad at home ...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-23304198

It's all about the lawyers. Anyone can get off any murder charge if they have a good lawyer or if the prosecution is shyte, and those lawyers can connect with the jury. Look at OJ Simpson, Casey Anthony...all good defense lawyers. Most black defendants can't afford good lawyers (other than OJ obviously).

 

[Markhor]

Getting a lot of UK coverage, one guy on Radio 5 right now making some interesting points. This case still highlights the delicate state of race relations in the US.

People keep mentioning black on black crime but forget most crime in the US is white on white but nobody racialises those cases as much as a black or hispanic case, and reinforces stereotypes about the minority race - blacks are involved in gangs, hispanic drug dealers etc etc, there is still an undercurrent of vicious discrimination and cultural stereotyping about certain races in the US. The stop and searching of black/hispanic males by police is one example. It seems only when a member of a minority community is held for a crime that the whole community gets tarnished with stereotypes.

 

[BlackThunder]

Interesting comments by Obama, don't think he would have given this address if it was still his first term but at least good to see him step out of his comfort zone.

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[DeadlyVenom]

Very surprised to hear those comments coming from a man in Obamas position. Clearly Blacks from all levels of society are hurt by this verdict.

 

[Indiafan]

This is a just verdict.

GZ was never guilty of the charges. If ever there was a case of self defense this was it!

For the spin meister basketball and hip hop stars asking what they should tell their children?
Very simple, tell them NOT to start fights and then expect to be treated with kid gloves.

TM attacked GZ plain and simple, GZ's voice was on that 911 call, after all how often will a person bashing someone else's skull on concrete cry for help. Thats a ludicrous insinuation to begin with.

BTW TM has many videos on Youtube where he officiates so called Bum fights and MMA style freestyle fights, the kid was a thug , he instigated a fight , the man shot him in self defense.

Since when is being involved in a fist fight punishable by death? If true, I would have been shot half a dozen times in my teenage

Teenage guys are full of hormones and always looking for a fight. Fist fights happen all over the world and no one dies as long as no one pulls a knife or a gun.

In no way can you casually justify the taking away of a life over a street fight and call it self defense. Truth is, life is cheap in america today

How casually you equate that the punishment for starting a fight is death! Kudos to your thinking. Just like you equated his posting few fighting videos as evidence! Heck such false bravado videos are there by the thousands on the death, by good clean kids! Death is final, there is no coming back. Kids and adults involve in fights everyday and come out unscathed and live a long and prosperous life. This kid cannot, his life was cruelly snatched away.

 

[USaqaf]

Since when is being involved in a fist fight punishable by death? If true, I would have been shot half a dozen times in my teenage

Teenage guys are full of hormones and always looking for a fight. Fist fights happen all over the world and no one dies as long as no one pulls a knife or a gun.

In no way can you casually justify the taking away of a life over a street fight and call it self defense. Truth is, life is cheap in america today

How casually you equate that the punishment for starting a fight is death! Kudos to your thinking. Death is final, there is no coming back. Kids and adults involve in fights everyday and come out unscathed and live a long and prosperous life. This kid cannot, his life was cruelly snatched away.

Since when? Since the "unarmed" teen decides to bash someone's skull multiple times on concrete.
There's a fair fight and there's murderous intoxication induced rage, 2 totally disparate things.

There's no guarantee that he was going to stop. What was Z to do, wait and watch to see if M stops pounding him and walks away? You guarantee this because you're an expert on street fights owing to the few that you've been in? How many times was your head pounded onto the concrete?

Let's see, Dr Meio testified his (Z's) head was bashed a min of 6 times could be more.Now let's assume TM continued, 10 times and the cerebrum will certainly concuss and the subject would have passed out, 15 times there's a high chance of bleeding in the brain and the subject is closer to death.
Anything more than that is certain death.

So now you know for certain that a marijuana induced TM would have stopped exactly on the 6th hit , give or take 5 hits.
Kudos to you and your bleeding heart.

 

[USaqaf]

http://abcnews.go.com/US/george-zim...torynew?id=19735432&google_editors_picks=true

 

[Markhor]

Looks like Zimmerman may be behind bars after all.

Been arrested after a domestic altercation.

 

[Abdullah719]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">George Zimmerman was acquitted in the fatal 2012 shooting of Trayvon Martin, but according to a lawsuit filed Wednesday in Florida, he believes there was a conspiracy to frame him and wants $100 million in damages <a href="https://t.co/AVFdyUsYlP">https://t.co/AVFdyUsYlP</a></p>— CNN (@CNN) <a href="https://twitter.com/CNN/status/1202487348996575238?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 5, 2019</a></blockquote>
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