That maybe so but in the last IND pak game, the ball was coming on beautifully when India was playing.
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That maybe so but in the last IND pak game, the ball was coming on beautifully when India was playing.
Wasn't loosing a world cup (in the first round) a few months back was supposed to a blessing in disguise for this world cup? I thot that ignominious exit was supposed to 'change our approach' and 'bring in some fresh faces' etc etc. Yet here we are with more excuses so not sure it makes much sense to be optimistic. I can very well see a thread in nov 22 after we loose the world cup on how it would be the catalyst for us to win 2023 world cup!
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The ball swung in England. Thats why BK did well. T
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I was talking about the team overall. Not just about any individual performer
Our bowling is atrocious to say the least. BK is not a weapon when the ball is not swinging. He goes for plenty and could not be trusted at the death. Chahal is a terrible bowler. One match winning spell every 6 or 7 matches is not enough. The rest of the matches, he goes at over 9 an over.
Pant should be dropped to immediate effect from T20 squad. His hacking does not work in T20's.
India needs to blood in new talent even if it means losing a few. The likes of Rohit, Kohli are on their last legs.
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Official prediction: India will win the T20WC. You heard it here first, folks.
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The team needed changes which ofcourse the team management and selectors defiantly ignored. They kept picking failures.
There is no world where the continued selection of players like Ashwin Axar Bhuvi Thakur Chahar etc can be justified.
The top two Indian spinners in IPL 2022 were Yuzi and Kuldeep. But selectors picked Axar Ashwin.
The top pacers in terms of wickets and Econ were Mohsin Khan, Shami, Umran. They weren't picked. The second line was Avesh Prasidh Natarajan.
Nowhere was Thakur or Chahar or Bhuvi anywhere in the wickets column.
Now coming another interesting pick, Harshal Patel. The guy was a journeyman cricketer.
Suddenly last two IPLs he has done well.. What changed?
The 2020-2021 IPL was played in UAE. His balls were gripping and slowers were excellent.
2022 IPL: In the 1st half he was largely unsuccessful. But as all league matches were played in 3 venues, wickets slowed and his performance was excellent in the 2nd half.
The only good pick was Arshdeep. Who was excellent in the IPL in the death overs
Can you tell me the justification of picking the players the team picked and ignoring others?
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Pant is not a hack. He is a proper batsman. He needs to play in top 4
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Which one?
The one in which they enter as underdogs.
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Asia Cup exit is a good wakeup call
He is man. His shots are predictable and hence he struggles in T20's. Just bowl wide of offstump with a bit of bounce and the man struggles to score. He is a legside hack as of now.
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Clarity in selection is the need. Right now due to the awesome bench strength the selectors are confused. They should pick their preferred XI and stick to it rather than changing it match over match in a tournament. I think DK and Ashwin might be done
Till the time we would trust the trundlers over players like Shami, we deserve to lose. The genuine pacers from IPL cease to become a fast medium bowler once they start representing India. Its heartening to see Pakistan brings fresh crop of speedsters, who are way ahead of India's young bowlers who are touted as the next big thing. In batting, we have a middle order who are confused about their roles. To top it all, no death ball skill. We should be knocked out in T2WC pretty early, unless miracle happens
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Leg side hacks dont score test centuries in England South Africa and Australia.
And the last world cup exit a few months back, wasn't? I think Indian fans also need a wakeup call, that wud be a good start. First stop believing the media and Cricinfo that India is some super great team itself, it ain't and it never was in the last few years regardless of whatever the commentators fed into your ears all day long.
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Ok thanks.
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For all his brilliance in Tests, Pant has been a failure in t20is. He has played around 60 t20is and hasn't done justice to the talent he has. If he doesn't perform in wt20, then he should be axed from t20is as a wake up call that he has played enough to start showing the results.
Bhuvneshwar should be dropped in all seriousness. The guy has regressed a lot since his peak.
Bhuvneshwar should be dropped in all seriousness. The guy has regressed a lot since his peak.
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That's a solid team right there with a lot of variety in bowling. I will replace Axar with Deepak Chahar/Bishnoi depending on the conditions.
That's a solid team right there with a lot of variety in bowling. I will replace Axar with Deepak Chahar/Bishnoi depending on the conditions.
I think I should be chief selector.
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But our today's performance KL Rahul has cemented his place in the team.
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Honestly, these are not blessings. It’s just that the team keeps getting exposed each time. India has had a weak LOI team for many years now and I have no idea how even the test team manages surprise away wins every now and then.
Personally don’t care at all about the T20 WC. My favorites memories in cricket have been and will remain the ODI world cups. The team is still heavily dependent on Sharma and Kohli and that’s not good given their ages. Hopefully they have some gas left in their tanks to win the entire thing next year.
Personally don’t care at all about the T20 WC. My favorites memories in cricket have been and will remain the ODI world cups. The team is still heavily dependent on Sharma and Kohli and that’s not good given their ages. Hopefully they have some gas left in their tanks to win the entire thing next year.
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The World Cup exit was a true blessing . The batting has dramatically improved . We won a lot of games in a row after that
Few factors - mainly bumrah and jadeja not being there and Shami not selected have affected the bowling group this asia cup . Selectors also want to give Arshdeep and bhuvi extended run along with avesh . Things will only improve
As an indian fan , way we bat first now is refreshing and that was our biggest weakness . T20 in dubai is chasing friendly - so two narrow losses don’t mean much except bad luck . But I would have been worried if we were making 140 and 150 batting first .
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For all its IPL billions the bowling looks threadbare outside Bumrah. The spinners are ok but wont give sleepless nights to anyone, the batters are talented but confused and they have wilted under pressure in the shorter formats. As is the nature of T20, they could still win the T20 WC but they dont look in a good place.
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Even after the Asia cup tragedy, I am still confident about this team and think that India will be top contender for Wt20.
The conditions have played a big role here, UAE conditions doesn't suit our players, this combined with selection blunders proved costly for us.
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Well we lost 2 close games in death defending in UAE, so not a total tragedy. Need to drop kl and pant and rope in another bowling all rounder, need experience in death bowling, you can't let bhuvi bowl 2 overs in death , he's not a death bowler
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Arshdeep should bowl only 1 over in pp, 1 during middle overs and 2 in last, he is getting better with Yorkers.
Would love harshal, bumrah back, our other 2 death over specialists
Would love harshal, bumrah back, our other 2 death over specialists
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For T20 you need the right combination more than super star names. India lacked finishing both with bat and ball. Every single match start was diluted by end over batting. Same way end over specialists were not available. This is the nature of the format. Finishing is very very vital especially on good batting surfaces.
Yes Arshdeep is a better death over bowler than new ball.
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Bhuvi is good with new ball but crap in death overs, same with Chahar.
Bhuvi has to bowl 3 overs within 8 overs and complete quota before 15 overs.
Bumrah/Harshal/Nattu has to bowl last 4 overs.
Arshdeep is unpredictable, I will prefer Khaleel or Moshin Khan over Arshdeep.
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India's batting in the middle overs between overs seven to 15 is the main area of concern is what emerged out of BCCI's Asia Cup Review meeting ahead of the all-important ICC T20 World Cup starting October 16. India's first match of the showpiece event is in Melbourne against arch-rivals Pakistan on October 23. On Monday, the BCCI announced the team for the marquee event along with the six T20I matches against Australia and South Africa, starting September 20.
However, apart from the squad selection, BCCI president Sourav Ganguly and secretary Jay Shah along with the national selection committee did discuss the underwhelming performance of the national team during the continental championship.
"Yes, the Asia Cup performance was discussed. But obviously, more than problems, the focus is on solutions and what are the things that needs to be improved during the T20 World Cup," a senior BCCI official privy to developments told PTI on conditions of anonymity.
While there were a few issues, all agreed in unison that India's pedestrian batting approach in the middle overs is becoming an issue against better teams and was a problem during the Asia Cup.
"There is an obvious issue with batting during the middle overs, especially between 7th to 15th where we haven't done well in the Asia Cup. Obviously, the team's think-tank is aware and we have some world class players, who can obviously change their game as per team's needs," the official said.
If one looks at India's batting, whether while setting a target or chasing, they have faltered between overs 7th to 15th.
Against Pakistan in the opening game, 59 runs were scored in those nine overs losing three wickets. Against Hong Kong, it was 62 runs, while in the Super 4s against Pakistan, it was 62 for 1.
The best performance (barring Afghanistan game) was against Sri Lanka when 78 runs came off those nine overs.
The problem has been negotiating the slow bowlers, where some of the top order players haven't been up to the mark.
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However, apart from the squad selection, BCCI president Sourav Ganguly and secretary Jay Shah along with the national selection committee did discuss the underwhelming performance of the national team during the continental championship.
"Yes, the Asia Cup performance was discussed. But obviously, more than problems, the focus is on solutions and what are the things that needs to be improved during the T20 World Cup," a senior BCCI official privy to developments told PTI on conditions of anonymity.
While there were a few issues, all agreed in unison that India's pedestrian batting approach in the middle overs is becoming an issue against better teams and was a problem during the Asia Cup.
"There is an obvious issue with batting during the middle overs, especially between 7th to 15th where we haven't done well in the Asia Cup. Obviously, the team's think-tank is aware and we have some world class players, who can obviously change their game as per team's needs," the official said.
If one looks at India's batting, whether while setting a target or chasing, they have faltered between overs 7th to 15th.
Against Pakistan in the opening game, 59 runs were scored in those nine overs losing three wickets. Against Hong Kong, it was 62 runs, while in the Super 4s against Pakistan, it was 62 for 1.
The best performance (barring Afghanistan game) was against Sri Lanka when 78 runs came off those nine overs.
The problem has been negotiating the slow bowlers, where some of the top order players haven't been up to the mark.
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The mainstays of this Indian team are decidedly past their prime. Rohit, Virat, Bhuvi, Ashwin, DK have all been tremendous players but cannot be relied upon to turn back time. I don't think anyone is afraid of this Indian team anymore.
Of course that doesn't mean they can't win--tournaments are about picking up momentum at the right time--but I wouldn't count them as favorites by any stretch of the imagination.
Of course that doesn't mean they can't win--tournaments are about picking up momentum at the right time--but I wouldn't count them as favorites by any stretch of the imagination.
Anyone starting a thread already on how todays embarassing loss will be a catalyst for next world cup
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Kishan, Samson, Jadeja, Bumrah and Malik would have surely done better than KL, Pant, Axar, Bhuvi and Shami respectively. I even mentioned some of these names in OP.
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Kishan, Samson, Jadeja, Bumrah and Malik would have surely done better than KL, Pant, Axar, Bhuvi and Shami respectively. I even mentioned some of these names in OP.
You did.
Indian haven't changed their combination from the usual 15 at all since the 152-0 and later Asia Cup.
Talk about not learning from mistakes.
Indian superstars wield a lot of power.
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