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Will Yasir Shah ever recover from the hammering he has received in Australia?

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This is like a batsman getting a pair in all three test matches. It must be confidence shattering and I doubt any cricket can ever rise back from this, have never seen any bowler gets destroyed like this.
 
He'll regain his confidence in WI and whenever he bowls again in the UAE.
 
jog_1 said:
He'll regain his confidence in WI and whenever he bowls again in the UAE.
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its one thing having a poor series its another where you are annihilated pummeled to the ground this is a slaughter Yasir has been humiliated destroyed here.
 
Xoib said:
its one thing having a poor series its another where you are annihilated pummeled to the ground this is a slaughter Yasir has been humiliated destroyed here.
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He's a positive lad. Even when he's being taken to the cleaners, dude has a smile. Pretty sure he'll bounce back mentally once he gets wickets on more favorable pitches.
 
even after this Yasir has 8 wickets@ 80 at 4.4 these figures are terrible even Amir has poor figures but atleast when he bowls Aus shows respect to him Yasir is just a punching bag for them.
 
Dunno

Anyways it's done irreparable damage

England tour was a good one for him even if statistics don't show it

This has been a bloodbath
 
He should definitely go to a therapist as soon as the tour is over for him.
 
11 overs, 92 runs ! This is some serious thrashing. Should thank Wahab for scalping Warner, or the figures would look much worse.
 
and I have a genuine question everybody bashed hafeez since he is a liability away from UAE then why should Yasir get a free pass?
 
Xoib said:
and I have a genuine question everybody bashed hafeez since he is a liability away from UAE then why should Yasir get a free pass?
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Sample size and all, plus Hafeez didn't win us a match at Lord's and The Oval.

Bizarre comparison.

This is reminding me of Tahir in Australia, though.
 
Xoib said:
but do we need a bowler who is a liability on our away tours its like having a bowling equivalent of Hafeez.
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Dhoni would have dropped him for the third Test and would have played Asghar.

Hafeez would average around 35-38 with the ball in these 4 places.
 
Xoib said:
and I have a genuine question everybody bashed hafeez since he is a liability away from UAE then why should Yasir get a free pass?
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Because Yasir is a match winner in Tests. He's having awful away tours like most spinners, but in the SC he will be a beast like we've seen. Hafeez was good in the SC as long as he could bowl too, but since his ban he became a liability in Tests.
 
[MENTION=57576]MRSN[/MENTION]

Remember when I said he will get the Tahir treatment in Australia and you used it as your signature to mock me. :klopp

Now, [MENTION=81]Monsee[/MENTION] finds himself in this awkward situation. Time to change your signature I guess.

Jokes aside, this is very, very concerned. Yasir has been brutalized beyond belief.
 
Watching the Aussies play him, reminds me of the first time i watched the first hostel movie
 
Yasir will either learn to bowl in bounce pitches or won't be selected for outside Asia games (barring certain tracks).

Humiliation is not always bad. Sometimes its what is needed to develop your game.

Psychological, its hard to deny this won't affect him but if you look at the bright side, if he comes out of this fiasco, he will become mentally stronger.
 
It is critical for Yasir to succeed in ODI and T-20 Cricket, so far he looks clueless and has no idea what to do when the batsmen just go after him ruthlessly, this is the only way he will know what to do in test matches when the batsmen are ultra aggressive against him.
 
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Zak_Fan said:
11 overs, 92 runs ! This is some serious thrashing. Should thank Wahab for scalping Warner, or the figures would look much worse.
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Smith,khawaja even now handscomb is hammering him all over the park

The guy dosn't have a second plan apparently....the more he stick on the same line again and again the better will be for batsman's
 
Carnage.

He is finished for me.

No point being a spinner if you can't keep it tight even if you don't pick up wickets.

If he plays the ODI's Australia will decimate him.
 
AlphaFighter said:
It is critical for Yasir to succeed in ODI and T-20 Cricket, so far he looks clueless and has no idea what to do when the batsmen just go after him ruthlessly, this is the only way he will know what to do in test matches when the batsmen are ultra aggressive against him.
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Was thinking the same.

Needs to work on his ODI bowling. Modern day tests needs that.
 
Yasir Shah the greatest leg spinner needs to call it a day. He has been chewed, eaten and spat out like he is nothing, this guy is not international cricket material...........
 
The inferiority complex runs strong.
Just have a look at the top ten spinners in Australia. Absolute carnage, some of those guys were on repeat tours.
 
Pete Rose said:
The inferiority complex runs strong.
Just have a look at the top ten spinners in Australia. Absolute carnage, some of those guys were on repeat tours.
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Exactly. Yasir isn't a timid character and proof of that is the fight he's shown with the bat and the effort he's put in his fielding. He'll be okay once this tour ends.

He needs to develop his googly. It's critical for a spinner to spin it both ways, just like it's critical for a pacer to move the ball both ways. There are obvious exceptions however.
 
Bilal7 said:
Exactly. Yasir isn't a timid character and proof of that is the fight he's shown with the bat and the effort he's put in his fielding. He'll be okay once this tour ends.

He needs to develop his googly. It's critical for a spinner to spin it both ways, just like it's critical for a pacer to move the ball both ways. There are obvious exceptions however.
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Yeah, I think it's telling that Aussie batsmen have found Azhar ali a little more challenging to face than yasir.
 
Pete Rose said:
The inferiority complex runs strong.
Just have a look at the top ten spinners in Australia. Absolute carnage, some of those guys were on repeat tours.
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In retrospect, how bloody impressive were Mushtaq and Saqlain averaging 33 and 34 against an unforgiving lineup, particularly on their home soil.
 
There is no inferiority complex here.

There is carnage and there is carnage carnage.

Averages are one thing. Lack of control another.

Nothing wrong in some fans expressing disappointment over how Yasir has fared.
 
Chief Destroyer said:
In retrospect, how bloody impressive were Mushtaq and Saqlain averaging 33 and 34 against an unforgiving lineup, particularly on their home soil.
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I am not too worried about yasir tbh. He will find his groove. But having said that his action doesn't allow for sidespin. Might need to work more on the overspin. In England despite his poor average, the deliveries were rushing off the pitch
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
There is no inferiority complex here.

There is carnage and there is carnage carnage.

Averages are one thing. Lack of control another.

Nothing wrong in some fans expressing disappointment over how Yasir has fared.
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To be fair to Yasir, he's been bowling with injuries and fatigue from being overbowled. He's also lost the consistency in his action ever since Mushy left the camp.
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
There is no inferiority complex here.

There is carnage and there is carnage carnage.

Averages are one thing. Lack of control another.

Nothing wrong in some fans expressing disappointment over how Yasir has fared.
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Carnage leading to predictions of what will happen is inferiority complex if not illogical. Some of the more illustrious spinners destroyed in Australia went on to have atg careers.
 
Pete Rose said:
I am not too worried about yasir tbh. He will find his groove. But having said that his action doesn't allow for sidespin. Might need to work more on the overspin. In England despite his poor average, the deliveries were rushing off the pitch
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He's gotta go work with Mushy again.

Yes, his action's too front-on and arm too high to impart a great deal of sidespin which is why he's never gonna turn the ball big. Even Azhar gets the ball to turn more. He can't afford to lose his action like he has on this tour. Overspin requires the same arm trajectory as sidespin and a side-on action. What he's got to master is flight so he can slide in the faster ones on the same line.
 
Chief Destroyer said:
To be fair to Yasir, he's been bowling with injuries and fatigue from being overbowled. He's also lost the consistency in his action ever since Mushy left the camp.
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Yeah, he may not have been 100% in this tour.

Pete Rose said:
Carnage leading to predictions of what will happen is inferiority complex if not illogical. Some of the more illustrious spinners destroyed in Australia went on to have atg careers.
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Its not about extrapolating one bad tour and predicting the future. Anyone can have a bad tour/tours. In fact, I would say such bad performances is what gets mentally strong players to make changes and raise their game.

The issue is some worrisome trends reg Yasir.

Bounce is hurting Yasir big time.

He averaged 100+ in England on tracks where there was more bounce. This was at the back of his peak level performance when everything was going fine. Even in Oval first innings, he was smashed for most part. Now in Aus, he averages 100+.

Apart from Tahir, no other spinner got smashed like this in Aus. Yes, other spinners averaged crap but they exerted a certain amount of control. Yasir just doesn't have that.

Now its not the end of the world as he has time to rectify it but he has to do it pronto if he wants to play outside Asia in all games.
 
i dont think anyone expected Yasir to win games for us consistently in Aus but you'd expect him to be able to hold up one end and keep it dry and control the scoring at least. Yasir lacks variations which is why hes been poor in ODIS and in Aus at times hes needed to.go into ODI mode and dry the runs up but he couldnt he kept getting smashed. If Yasir averaged 35 but average under 3 id say he did a decent job but this has been brutal. yasir is a happy go lucky character but this will dent his confidence a lot after such a disastrous showing but i back him.to recover still our best bowler a matchwinner in Asia and if he gets the right conditions outside Asia he can win games too.
 
Sadly, Yasir is finished and you will ALSO see that he is also finished against any decent team even in the UAE. Any leg spinner worth his salt( Kumble was the exception because of his height) will have a sharply spun leg break.
 
Happens to everyone not an issue he will bounce back he seems not 100% fit at the moment.
 
Obviously he will recover. Far worse things have happened and players have recovered.

But needs to work on his fitness and really add more variations since he can't be an attacking option all the time and must adapt his game accordingly.
 
Did Warner recover from the string of low scores in the UAE?

Happens to all and the main thing is that he recovers soon

PCB needs to get him together with Mushtaq Ahmed asap
 
MenInG said:
Did Warner recover from the string of low scores in the UAE?

Happens to all and the main thing is that he recovers soon

PCB needs to get him together with Mushtaq Ahmed asap
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29
133
58
19

Warners string of low scores in the UAE, I'm sure he will recover from them. :)
 
MenInG said:
Did Warner recover from the string of low scores in the UAE?

Happens to all and the main thing is that he recovers soon

PCB needs to get him together with Mushtaq Ahmed asap
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Warner's scores in UAE were 133, 29, 19, 58 total 239 runs in 4 innings @60!!
 
ShoonyaSifar said:
Warner's scores in UAE were 133, 29, 19, 58 total 239 runs in 4 innings @60!!
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whoops!

Should have checked.

Am sure he did play an important role in Australia's stellar performance during that series.
 
I hope he'll learn. Trouble is he is not a leg spinner with a box of tricks. No leggie (Warne excepted) has the control of a finger spinner but they do have variations. Yasir does not have a googly that he is confident of using (and disguising), doesn't really turn the ball significantly with his stock leg spinner and tends to bowl at one pace. Points all made by Abdul Qadir in the past, but he was accused of being over critical and having sour grapes.
It's hard bowling away from home (Ashwin was awful on India's last tour of England, Qadir himself failed in Aus etc). England were awful against yasir in the last tour -- played back to straight balls and were trapped LBW or tried to slog him out of the ground (a la Root).
Let's see -- needs Mushtaq putting an arm around his shoulder. Where is he (I seem to have missed why he isn't with the squad) ?
 
Backing him to take this positively and learning front he experience and to work on his weak areas. Also hoping for PCB to learn from this experience and bring back someone like Mushtaq back in the support staff to help him out. Yasir is our best bet on away tours as well as home ones. Heck, even Abdul Qadir would be good, just get someone good to work with him.

Also, I'm not really shocked. I was sort of expecting this to happen, it was his first tour to Australia (which is always tough). Expect him to come back much stronger next time. He's been dropped from the ODI squad which will also help him to concentrate more on Tests and work on his game.
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
Yasir will either learn to bowl in bounce pitches or won't be selected for outside Asia games (barring certain tracks).

Humiliation is not always bad. Sometimes its what is needed to develop your game.

Psychological, its hard to deny this won't affect him but if you look at the bright side, if he comes out of this fiasco, he will become mentally stronger.
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u mean he can do change his game as ashwin did..if he does improve even 50% of that i will be verr happy for him..
 
Yasir Bhaee now averages37.88 with the ball outside UAE with 61 wickets at a strike rate of 65.90 in 14 Tests



1. In Australia he has this record :

3Tests 8[/SIZE] wickets at an average of 84.00 and a strike rate of 111.10


2. In England he has this record :

4Tests 19wickets at an average of 40.73 and a strike rate of 75.10
 
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HAHAHAHAHA he was hammered like some part timer, while ashwin looks like a bowler in Australia even if he didnot took wickets
 
Mamoon said:
[MENTION=57576]MRSN[/MENTION]

Remember when I said he will get the Tahir treatment in Australia and you used it as your signature to mock me. :klopp

Now, [MENTION=81]Monsee[/MENTION] finds himself in this awkward situation. Time to change your signature I guess.

Jokes aside, this is very, very concerned. Yasir has been brutalized beyond belief.
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well Yasir Shah has really got the phainty he will never forget but I still think he will be pretty good on Asian pitches. but yes the myths Yasir being good overseas have been busted after NZ,Aus tours and I don't think he bowled that well on English tour either. It was complete school level mistakes from English batsmen to lose wickets against Yasir Shah..too good otherwise we wouldn't have drawn the series.
 
DRsohail said:
u mean he can do change his game as ashwin did..if he does improve even 50% of that i will be verr happy for him..
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Anyone can change their game if they are willing to put in efforts.

Never write off anyone.

Ashwin wasn't good in Aus 2011, got humiliated in 2012 Eng home tour, got embarrassed in Joberg 2013, toiled hard in Aus 2014 before he transformed and started flighting the ball properly and getting it to drift and dip. Every one of those fiascos made him a better bowler. Even now, he has a lot to prove.

No reason why Yasir can't learn from this Aus flop and become better. But he has to feel the HURT deep inside and has to desire to get better.

Its a mental game as much as its a technical game.

Yasir has to seek out the right people and rework on his game. There are many flaws currently. I mentioned about his strengths and weaknesses in the other Ash vs Yasir thread (the one Saj created). All of his weaknesses came into play in this tour. Has to rectify them one by one.
 
- Give him his mentor Mushi back
- A few series in the UAE

and he will be fine. It was his first time in Aussie land without his master strategist.
 
The captaincy by misbah has let him down big time that has led to his confidence being shattered. He will recover just needs a attacking captain he will be ok
 
Xoib said:
even after this Yasir has 8 wickets@ 80 at 4.4 these figures are terrible even Amir has poor figures but atleast when he bowls Aus shows respect to him Yasir is just a punching bag for them.
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Yes. Lack of wickets is understandable. But being targeted is whole different thing.
 
He's not young but that doesn't mean he is experienced. Its his first tour, so cut him some slack.

More over Leg spinner do find it more difficult to control when they are just not right in the head and more often than not go for a lot more than say an offie would. Yasir is a good bowler, perhaps the team and he himself put a lot of expectations and desperation was there to see.

Tbh with an injury lingering around, I am not even sure why was he made to bowl and so many overs at that, not like a few wickets would have made any difference to his confidence or team's chances. To me it just seemed unfair to put Yasir through that.
 
He's not fit so it's ok and for Australia they are going to look garbage in next month against India
 
When Imran Tahir can make a comeback after Adelaide (0/250 in 50 ov), surely Yasir can
 
Yasir needs to go back and play some domestic cricket. He is good but has been overworked and has lost the plot mentally. He will be fine but needs to learn on his own which I doubt he is doing at the rate Pakistan needs him to.
 
Bewal Express said:
Sadly, Yasir is finished and you will ALSO see that he is also finished against any decent team even in the UAE. Any leg spinner worth his salt( Kumble was the exception because of his height) will have a sharply spun leg break.
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For all the mock Kumble gets, he had one of the most well disguised googly at that time, he had a slider, skidder, flipper and a slightly turning leg spin, not to forget he was damn accurate as well.
 
Vayuu said:
For all the mock Kumble gets, he had one of the most well disguised googly at that time, he had a slider, skidder, flipper and a slightly turning leg spin, not to forget he was damn accurate as well.
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A Googly that so well disguised that you can tell at home that he was going to bowl because of the change in action.
 
This is an atrocious pitch.

Please do not take the runs scored or runs given by players too seriously.

Aus has given T20 pitches this series. Nothing for pacers as well as spinners.

Yasir will bounce back.
 
Should have played ASGHAR in his place at SCG... I'm sure MISBAH overrule MICKEY in choosing him for this SCG test...LYON who spins the ball and also varies his pace gets wickets, ASGHAR would have been more useful here in SCG should have tried him... YASIR without any spin and variation got humiliated...
 
troodon said:
This is an atrocious pitch.

Please do not take the runs scored or runs given by players too seriously.

Aus has given T20 pitches this series. Nothing for pacers as well as spinners.

Yasir will bounce back.
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LOL at T20 pitches,,, why pak lose 10 wickets here and play at a snails pace then,,,
 
The PSL is just around the corner and he is a worse bowler in LO than the longest format, so he will get bashed around some more in the coming days and that will be a really big tester for him.

I hope, he ignores the performances in the PSL and brushs them aside or take a break from the PSL.
 
The Aussie batsmen have done their homework on him. Credit to them and a slap in the face of the Pakistan think tank.
 
Saj said:
The Aussie batsmen have done their homework on him. Credit to them and a slap in the face of the Pakistan think tank.
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Let's be honest, all they had to do was to play him like a gentle off spinner because as I have pointed out many times, his leg spinner is non existent. For those that believe that this is a blip are in for a massive surprise. This is not a confidence issue but a technical issue.Yasir must spend time learning to spin his leg spinner because it hasn't been turning at all for decent while. My own theory is that his index and middle finger are too far apart and the ball is slipping out, hence the ball just going straight on.
 
He got thrashed because he lacks bit of intelligence unlike Ashwin. He has the abilities. It is a matter of time before he either figure out what to do or someone like Warnie, offer him advice. He'll be back. Mark my words.
 
Thivagar said:
He got thrashed because he lacks bit of intelligence unlike Ashwin. He has the abilities. It is a matter of time before he either figure out what to do or someone like Warnie, offer him advice. He'll be back. Mark my words.
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He will still take wickets of poor players but unless he goes back to the drawing board, he is finished as an effective international bowler.
 
Bewal Express said:
He will still take wickets of poor players but unless he goes back to the drawing board, he is finished as an effective international bowler.
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I think he will be effective against all teams on slower and lower bounce wickets.
 
Of course he will recover.

He will do well in Asian conditions. His record speaks for itself.
 
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