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Australia (474 & 234) hands India (369 & 155) an 184-run defeat in the 4th Test to take a 2-1 lead in the 5-match series

Dr_Bassim said:
One thing is for sure.

I wouldn't be surprised if Indian fans burn effigies of umpire Sharifodoulla

He might need to be in a "witness protection programme" after today to save his life.

A new identity would be needed.

He might never officiate BCCI matches anymore.

Let's see how BCCI reacts and uses its power this time.
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As long as no one assaults him, burning effigies is fine. 👍
 
Bumrah and Jaiswal have enhanced their reputations after this tour.
 
Lol @ the meltdown going on here.

There is a series that can still be saved yet Indians are flooding up.

I think @ Amjid was right.

THE ENTIRE nation is crybabies.

Itna tow Pakistani nahin rotay.
 
MMHS said:
What a Game!!! Hope it ends the sickening idea of 4 Day Test. In fact Test matches should be scheduled for 6 days with one rest day after day 3. If weather interruption in first 3 days cost more than say 75 overs, that rest day should be used as a regular day to make up the time….
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Unfortunately not a good game from Indian side, Jaiswal dropping dollies, Rohit and Kohli being passengers, Pant getting aggressive for no reason. Sundar not keeping strike, pretty poor overall for us.
 
A real credit to Australia's fielding too.

They took so many high-pressure catches.
 
Champ_Pal said:
Bro, enough with cheating. We did not deserve to win or draw.
Pant and Jais tried. But not enough to ward off unrelenting Aus attack.

We at least won the Perth Test. Not returning empty handed 👍
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Our cricket teams onfield performance has nothing to do with blatant cheating.

I am sorry I cant let that go so easily. BCCI must step in.
 
Dr_Bassim said:
Lol @ the meltdown going on here.

There is a series that can still be saved yet Indians are flooding up.

I think @Amjiwas right.

THE ENTIRE nation is crybabies.

Itna tow Pakistani nahin rotay.
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Nah, it's just a few. Others have acknowledged the correct decision was made and Aus were deserving winners.
 
Rajdeep said:
He trusted the same snicko against Akashdeep couple of over later to over rule onfield umpire again.

Maybe a new umpire but he wasn't consistent.
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Both Akashdeep and Jaiswal were out. Aussie players knew it too. Great decisions by 3rd umpire. Did you think Smith catch was not clean either?
 
This Australia win should hurt Pakistan team very much.
Again 8 wickets down and Australia showed how to knock down last 2 wickets in style against a superior side.
 
Dr_Bassim said:
Lol @ the meltdown going on here.

There is a series that can still be saved yet Indians are flooding up.

I think @ Amjid was right.

THE ENTIRE nation is crybabies.

Itna tow Pakistani nahin rotay.
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I honestly don't know what they are crying about.

There wasn't any umpiring error. All 10 were fair dismissals.

How come they are blaming the umpire and not Kohli, Rohit etc.?
 
Romali_rotti said:
What exactly happened with the Jaiswal decision? I missed it
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Given not out, Aus reviewed, snicko showed nothing and third umpire gave him out on a visible glove deviation to the keeper.

There's a thread on it here.
 
Well done Australia for the win considering the other sides chucker giving advantage and having to adopt the PC attitude
 
Australia vs South Africa Final in England will certainly be a sight to watch. Hope South Africa wins something for a change.
 
Aman said:
Bumrah and Jaiswal have enhanced their reputations after this tour.
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Only 3 or 4 players out of 11 came to play. The rest are tourists and drama queens.

Jaiswal, Bumrah, KL, Reddy came to play. Jadeja, Sundar were alright. The rest are jokers.
 
sweep_shot said:
I honestly don't know what they are crying about.

There wasn't any umpiring error. All 10 were fair dismissals.

How come they are blaming the umpire and not Kohli, Rohit etc.?
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It's easier to blame someone else rather than accept that the team isn't good enough.

Indian fans were under the delusion that they are world class.

It takes some time before the medication works and delusions stop.
 
sweep_shot said:
I honestly don't know what they are crying about.

There wasn't any umpiring error. All 10 were fair dismissals.

How come they are blaming the umpire and not Kohli, Rohit etc.?
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Only a couple of emotional fans. The rest know who the series ka Mujrim are 👍
 
Dr_Bassim said:
One iffy decision is NOT cheating.
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Imagine if those decisions went in favour of India? How big of an injustice that would have been to team Australia who fought tooth and nails this game. Indians will never accept they were beaten fair and square. If Jaiswal was given out earlier, the match would have been wrapped up way sooner.
 
Aman said:
Given not out, Aus reviewed, snicko showed nothing and third umpire gave him out on a visible glove deviation to the keeper.

There's a thread on it here.
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What thaaa ????? That is blunt cheating.....

Benefit of the doubt has to go to the batsmen if the snicko shows no sound...

But

Still glad India lost though, I so want Kohli and Sharma's test career to end. 😁
 
Romali_rotti said:
What thaaa ????? That is blunt cheating.....

Benefit of the doubt has to go to the batsmen if the snicko shows no sound...

But

Still glad India lost though, I so want Kohli and Sharma's test career to end. 😁
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Nah, it was like obvious he gloved it to the keeper.
 
JaDed said:
Unfortunately not a good game from Indian side, Jaiswal dropping dollies, Rohit and Kohli being passengers, Pant getting aggressive for no reason. Sundar not keeping strike, pretty poor overall for us.
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Pant actually lost this Test. Had they survived for just about 30 nine minutes, we would have seen Aussies preserving fast bowlers for SCG & Head, Marsh, Labus passing time.

Faisal played well, but he was extremely lucky for his last 50 runs - numerous times randomly went for needless attacking shots until his luck ran out and got out to probably one of the worst ball of this Test. This guy Sunder is a real deal - he’ll become a feared lower order batsman who makes his wicket hard earned every time.

3-1 I guess, had this game ended in draw, Aussies would have played safe at SCG to make sure India doesn’t cross them in points table … now Aussies will go after 3-1 to seal the deal as even 2-2 doesn’t elevate India above them.
 
Romali_rotti said:
What thaaa ????? That is blunt cheating.....

Benefit of the doubt has to go to the batsmen if the snicko shows no sound...

But

Still glad India lost though, I so want Kohli and Sharma's test career to end. 😁
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So let me get this straight.

Batsmen edges a ball and for some reason "snicko" doesn't show the deflection even though it goes to 1st slip.

Everyone hears the edge.

You would say sorry no snicko not out?
 
Dr_Bassim said:
So let me get this straight.

Batsmen edges a ball and for some reason "snicko" doesn't show the deflection even though it goes to 1st slip.

Everyone hears the edge.

You would say sorry no snicko not out?
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So let me get this straight

Onfield umpire gives it not out

And

Umpire in the booth finds no snicko, which proves even more that the onfield umpire was correct.

But

We should take the word of the fielder ??


Right dr bro..

Understood..
 
MMHS said:
Pant actually lost this Test. Had they survived for just about 30 nine minutes, we would have seen Aussies preserving fast bowlers for SCG & Head, Marsh, Labus passing time.

Faisal played well, but he was extremely lucky for his last 50 runs - numerous times randomly went for needless attacking shots until his luck ran out and got out to probably one of the worst ball of this Test. This guy Sunder is a real deal - he’ll become a feared lower order batsman who makes his wicket hard earned every time.

3-1 I guess, had this game ended in draw, Aussies would have played safe at SCG to make sure India doesn’t cross them in points table … now Aussies will go after 3-1 to seal the deal as even 2-2 doesn’t elevate India above them.
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This. Well said.

Another 5 to 7 overs of dead bat batting and Aus would’ve saved up their main guns for next test. Part timers would have bowled.

India had themselves to blame. Poor thinking and execution and team selection with selectors lacking courage to make bold decisions. They played it safe and went by past laurels.

India deserved to lose the test and series.👍
 
@Devadwal bhai...chin up. We just lost on final hour of 5th day and that too due to poor umpiring.

Nothing to be ashamed off. We come back to fight again in Sydney and look to draw this series and keep BGT at home.

Logging off. Take care.

:kp
 
Romali_rotti said:
To be fair I was surprised how such a poor 3rd world country like Pakistan that is bankrupt was giving South Africa a run for their money. It really shows Pakistan has so much talent just need a little bit of finance and I reckon they would be a top 3 side.
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Well Indian team has shown that you can be competitive in sports despite being a poor 3rd world nation. Something to learn from them
 
Romali_rotti said:
So let me get this straight

Onfield umpire gives it not out

And

Umpire in the booth finds no snicko, which proves even more that the onfield umpire was correct.

But

We should take the word of the fielder ??


Right dr bro..

Understood..
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Irrelevant.

Snicko is supposed to help make a decision.

If there is a "clear deflection", "sound" or "irrefutable proof" that the batsmen touched the ball, it doesn't matter what the snicko thinks.

3rd umpire had enough deflection to overrule.

Even Taufel agreed it was out and he probably knows the rules better than us.
 
Champ_Pal said:
This. Well said.

Another 5 to 7 overs of dead bat batting and Aus would’ve saved up their main guns for next test. Part timers would have bowled.

India had themselves to blame. Poor thinking and execution and team selection with selectors lacking courage to make bold decisions. They played it safe and went by past laurels.

India deserved to lose the test and series.👍
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Indians didn't deserve to win this match, no way in hell, they started with the negative Nancy attitude trying to block it for a draw with 3 absolute buffoons who can't get bat on ball Sharma, Gohli, and Rahul aka Mr I give an Oscar winning shocked reaction everytime I am given OUT.

If Goalee & Nohit are playing the next match then we know for sure that teams are not picked on merit but favouritism.....

So hope Aus takes the series with a 3-1 in Sydney
 
psyoptica said:
Well Indian team has shown that you can be competitive in sports despite being a poor 3rd world nation. Something to learn from them
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Yeah but what's more impressive is Pakistan is begging for survival and they have put together a great performance in South Africa...
 
Dr_Bassim said:
If there is a "clear deflection", "sound" or "irrefutable proof" that the batsmen touched the ball, it doesn't matter what the snicko thinks.

3rd umpire had enough deflection to overrule.
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IF that's the case then I agree.

I don't know much about the rule, can you show me where it says a 3rd umpire can over rule a decision without snicko and just deviation?
 
sweep_shot said:
I also think they may shun him just like they did to Bucknor.

They have a track record of being petty.
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Buckner was horrible man. He was good initially. But in his last few years of his career, he was atrocious. We have enough videos on YouTube about his howlers. Good riddance to that dude.
 
Australia claim epic Boxing Day Test win over India in thrilling final hour finale

Pat Cummins' side open up a 2-1 series lead and close in on a second consecutive appearance in the World Test Championship Final after a thrilling victory over India.

The Boxing Day Test in Melbourne has come to a thrilling climax as Australia clinched an exciting 184-run victory over India in the last hour of the final day on Monday.

The final Indian wicket fell with less than 14 overs remaining in the day, with Nathan Lyon dismissing Mohammed Siraj to send the MCG crowd in excess of 74,000 into raptures as an epic contest between the two arch-rivals came to an end.

It means Australia now holds a 2-1 series lead over India in the five-match Border-Gavaskar series and can win the trophy back by avoiding defeat in Sydney. The reigning ICC World Test Championship winners are in the box seat to earn a place at next year's final at Lords.

The Aussies retain second place on the World Test Championship standings and can join South Africa in the one-off Test decider in 2025 with a win in any of their three remaining Tests this cycle.

India can still qualify for the World Test Championship Final but must win the final Test of the series against Australia in Sydney to tie the Border-Gavaskar series and then rely on the Aussies not winning a Test during their series in Sri Lanka that commences next month.

It was a strong all-round performance from Australia, with skipper Pat Cummins (3/28) leding the way on the final day with a brilliant spell prior to lunch that turned the game, before Yashasvi Jaiswal (88) and Rishabh Pant (30) gave India hope with an excellent partnership of 88 for the fourth wicket.

Pant holed out to the unlikely source of Travis Head (1/14) to swing the momentum back towards the hosts and when Jaiswal fell in strange circumstances shortly after via the TV umpire overturning the onfield decision, the Aussies could taste victory.

Lyon (2/37), who toiled hard all day, then claimed the last wicket to bring an end to one of the best Test matches seen on Australian shores in recent times.

www.icc-cricket.com

Australia claim epic Boxing Day Test win over India in thrilling final hour finale

Pat Cummins' side open up a 2-1 series lead and close in on a second consecutive appearance in the World Test Championship Final after a thrilling victory over India.
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This was supposed to be 5-0 but Australia had a catastrophic meltdown in the first innings of the first Test.

It could have come at any stage in the series, but since it happened in their very first innings, it triggered false hopes and made them believe that they could win three times in a row.

This series is a bridge too far for this Indian team just like the 2011-12 tours of England and Australia.

Take Bumrah out and it is a very poor outfit right now that would be tested by teams like like Pakistan and Sri Lanka on result-oriented pitches.
 
Romali_rotti said:
IF that's the case then I agree.

I don't know much about the rule, can you show me where it says a 3rd umpire can over rule a decision without snicko and just deviation?
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Well I mean "snicko" was always brought in to find edges that 3rd umpire missed.

Do we go to snicko for an edge to 3rd slip?

I am assuming "snicko" is not the FINAL tool to decide edges and it would be a mixture of video evidence, deflections and snickos to make a final ruling.

Obviously I don't have proof.

But to say the umpire was cheating is just ridiculous.
 
Mamoon said:
Take Bumrah out and it is a very poor outfit right now that would be tested by teams like like Pakistan and Sri Lanka on result-oriented pitches.
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You are being too kind here, I feel Sri Lanka would beat them in a result orientated spinning track.
 
Mamoon said:
This was supposed to be 5-0 but Australia had a catastrophic meltdown in the first innings of the first Test.

It could have come at any stage in the series, but since it happened in their very first innings, it triggered false hopes and made them believe that they could win three times in a row.

This series is a bridge too far for this Indian team just like the 2011-12 tours of England and Australia.

Take Bumrah out and it is a very poor outfit right now that would be tested by teams like like Pakistan and Sri Lanka on result-oriented pitches.
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One can say take out RO KO and the unit becomes strong.
 
Mamoon said:
This was supposed to be 5-0 but Australia had a catastrophic meltdown in the first innings of the first Test.

It could have come at any stage in the series, but since it happened in their very first innings, it triggered false hopes and made them believe that they could win three times in a row.

This series is a bridge too far for this Indian team just like the 2011-12 tours of England and Australia.

Take Bumrah out and it is a very poor outfit right now that would be tested by teams like like Pakistan and Sri Lanka on result-oriented pitches.
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Bridge is too far that australia need a umpire's to win the test.

Nothing surprised after knowing the name of third umpire country .

:kp :qdkcheeky
 
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Mamoon said:
This was supposed to be 5-0 but Australia had a catastrophic meltdown in the first innings of the first Test.

It could have come at any stage in the series, but since it happened in their very first innings, it triggered false hopes and made them believe that they could win three times in a row.

This series is a bridge too far for this Indian team just like the 2011-12 tours of England and Australia.

Take Bumrah out and it is a very poor outfit right now that would be tested by teams like like Pakistan and Sri Lanka on result-oriented pitches.
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India actually punched above their weight category in this series. I was expecting a 5-0 humiliation. But after 4 tests, the score board reads 2-1 in favor of Australia.

Not a bad performance in spite of so many non-performers in the team.
 
Dr_Bassim said:
Well I mean "snicko" was always brought in to find edges that 3rd umpire missed.

Do we go to snicko for an edge to 3rd slip?

I am assuming "snicko" is not the FINAL tool to decide edges and it would be a mixture of video evidence, deflections and snickos to make a final ruling.

Obviously I don't have proof.

But to say the umpire was cheating is just ridiculous.
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So you are just making your claim on assumptions.

Dr this is not good, I was actually buying your arguement earlier
 
Dr_Bassim said:
Well I mean "snicko" was always brought in to find edges that 3rd umpire missed.

Do we go to snicko for an edge to 3rd slip?

I am assuming "snicko" is not the FINAL tool to decide edges and it would be a mixture of video evidence, deflections and snickos to make a final ruling.

Obviously I don't have proof.

But to say the umpire was cheating is just ridiculous.
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What if there is no deflection and snicko shows a mark and the player is caught, just asking..
 
sweep_shot said:
I also think they may shun him just like they did to Bucknor.

They have a track record of being petty.
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Lol what are they gonna argue with him? Akash was clearly OUT even confirmed by ultraedge plus you can see deflection. Jaiswal call was also spot on. It's not 3rd umpire fault Joel won't give any outs. It's Wilson that need to be booted from Elite Panel.
 
Dr_Bassim said:
But aren't Indians also making claims umpire is a cheat on assumptions?
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Well 3rd umpire had no proof.

You need to have extensive proof to over rule an onfield decision, if a snicko showed no sound then you can't overrule the onfield call.
 
Mamoon said:
This was supposed to be 5-0 but Australia had a catastrophic meltdown in the first innings of the first Test.

It could have come at any stage in the series, but since it happened in their very first innings, it triggered false hopes and made them believe that they could win three times in a row.

This series is a bridge too far for this Indian team just like the 2011-12 tours of England and Australia.

Take Bumrah out and it is a very poor outfit right now that would be tested by teams like like Pakistan and Sri Lanka on result-oriented pitches.
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Rain saved India in the 3rd test or the series would have been wrapped up by now. Still 3-1 is a great result for Australia considering how much of a mental barrier they had to beat India in home conditions.
 
Champ_Pal said:
India actually punched above their weight category in this series. I was expecting a 5-0 humiliation. But after 4 tests, the score board reads 2-1 in favor of Australia.

Not a bad performance in spite of so many non-performers in the team.
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Good by performance by the clouds as well. Indians need to accept that they survive the third Test due to rain.
 
Indians should be focusing on last Test.

They can still draw the series if they play good cricket.

Instead the focus is which umpire caused them to collapse like a pack of cards.
 
Romali_rotti said:
Well 3rd umpire had no proof.

You need to have extensive proof to over rule an onfield decision, if a snicko showed no sound then you can't overrule the onfield call.
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He did, which is why he overturned Joel who has been terrible today. He checked the replay million times before making decisions. I could see Jaiswal clearly gloved it even after 1 replay. Aussie players knew it too which is why they reviewed confidentially.
 
Australian Captain and player of the match - Pat Cummins in post match ceremony:

"What an amazing Test match, I reckon one of the best I've been part of. All week the crowd has been ridiculous, and it's been amazing to be part of. Marnus helped me out in that second innings big time, happy to contribute. Amazing innings from Steve, winning the toss, it wasn't easy on the first day, to get up to high 400s was terrific. We wanted to take an India victory out of the equation . We had plenty of runs to play with, and as many helmets around the bat as we could. We put a lot of work into our lower-order batting, we work a lot on how best to bowl to the opposition batters firstly, but also how we can contribute with the bat."
 
Devadwal said:
Bridge is too far that australia need a paid umpire's to win the test.

Nothing surprised after knowing the name of third umpire country .

:kp :qdkcheeky
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The irony of an Indian fan criticizing the quality of umpires from a different country.

Guess which country is number 1 at producing the worst umpires in the world?
 
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Mamoon said:
The irony of an Indian fan criticizing the quality of umpires from a different country.

Guess which country is number 1 at producing the worst umpires in the world?

Hint: the name starts with I and ends with a.
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Nitesh Menon is pretty decent and way better than Joel Wilson at least.
 
Indian Captain Rohit Sharma in post match ceremony:

"It is pretty disappointing. We went in with intent of putting up a fight till the end but we couldn't do it. We have to assess the last two sessions. If you look at the overall Test match, we had our opportunities, we had our chances. We just didn't take them. We let Australia come back into the game when we had them 91/6 but again things can get difficult and tough but that is what we are here for. I don't want to look at only one incident, we just were not good enough. I went back to my room and thought about whatever else we could have done as a team, but we tried everything that we could. We threw everything that we had but that last wicket partnership fought hard. We didn't grab our chances and that probably cost us the game. We tried everything we could, 340 wasn't going to be easy for us but we wanted to set the platform with wickets in hand and go for the runs. We wanted to go for the target. We wanted to have a positive mindset. It's just that there are ways to win games and we are falling short in ways to win games. Nitish Kumar Reddy was here for the first time and he showed a lot of character and a lot of fight. I hope he goes from strength to strength. Bumrah is absolutely brilliant. We've seen him for a number of years now, coming here and doing his job for the team. He needs a bit more support. He has been outstanding."
 
Dr_Bassim said:
Indians should be focusing on last Test.

They can still draw the series if they play good cricket.

Instead the focus is which umpire caused them to collapse like a pack of cards.
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Agree.

Rather than criticizing their own shortcomings, they are attacking the umpire (who didn't make any inaccurate decision).

These people are truly astonishing.
 
Dr_Bassim said:
Now is that a rule or just your assumption?
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Only clearly incorrect decisions are reversed: If the Third umpire's analysis is within established margins of error or is otherwise inconclusive, the on-field umpire's original call of error or is otherwise inconclusive, the on-field umpire's original call stands.

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Decision Review System - Wikipedia

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In this case there was no snicko so the onfield umpire decision stands per the the above link.
 
BDfanforever said:
He did, which is why he overturned Joel who has been terrible today. He checked the replay million times before making decisions. I could see Jaiswal clearly gloved it even after 1 replay. Aussie players knew it too which is why they reviewed confidentially.
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Proof when there was no snicko ?
 
I am glad that India lost and I hope India loses again next match if either Goalee or Nohit plays.

However BCCi needs to take out that Bangladeshi and put him into the Bucknor cage and end his career, can't have cheats like this..
 
Romali_rotti said:
I am glad that India lost and I hope India loses again next match if either Goalee or Nohit plays.

However BCCi needs to take out that Bangladeshi and put him into the Bucknor cage and end his career, can't have cheats like this..
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Next match will help spinners.
 
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