Will you take the vaccine for Covid-19?

[Arsal_AK]

I have no idea if you are who you claim you are and from this post it doesn't seem to be the case.

Stats shows 312k deaths out of a population of 7 billion. To say it kills normal people in a generlised way is simply a lie.



Thanks but I know this information.

Its less of a gamble for me to be infected and gain immunity, im a fit , strong , healthy man with no health issues and a stong immune system.





I rarely get ill, so why change my rountine?

Again

312K deaths so far out of 7 billion people on the planet. Even if 1 Million die, the percentage of people who die will be a very small percentage overall.

This virus has been vastly overblown by WHO, world governments.

Because they want to enslave you because they know people are fools, sheep and idiots.


New question to all.

If the vaccine has a digital identifiction, will you still take it?

Dont bother, the same people will still take it. Even if the vaccine may kill them, they will still take and give it to their children, brainwashed, scared humans who really shouldn't be on the planet anyway. Its because of fools like this, Iraq was destroyed based on lies.

Good Luck to all.

You don't want to take the vaccine, apart from telling you why it is the wrong approach, why you have almost next to zero risk from a vaccine, even less so if you are healthy, why it would be better for the community as a whole if you did, I can't do much.

The problem I have is when you post rubbish like the vaccine doing more harm that the virus, or the fact that it will have long term consequence. Or maintain that catching the virus will be better, assuming that it will have none, especially if your view is that a vaccine which has a weakened version or in most cases either inactivated or no virus at all. You really shouldn't talk about stuff you have clearly very little idea about.

[MENTION=7774]Robert[/MENTION] really put it best, If you can handle the full blown virus, you can handle a weakened version. There will be no harmful side effects especially if the full blown version, you are so confident about, has none. I'll even take it further, how about a vaccine that has no coronavirus at all.

The second half of your post says it all really. You have no clue whatsoever about what you are saying. They are making a big deal out of it because it is a big deal, lives are worth saving. Making it a big deal has bought us time so that we are better prepared.

The ironic thing here is that you of all people are calling those who back researched, tested and peer reviewed science, brainwashed sheep, while you are the one maintaining some conspiracy laden, illogical view about vaccination without even a shread of evidence to support your claims. I hope it's not lost on you.

Just think about it for a second:

A global pendamic killing millions is no big deal. But a vaccine which will give a few hundreds at best some mild side effects is.

When all else failed, you have invented a fictional scenario about vaccines killing people, when it is the single greatest preventive tool we have ever invented.

A designed and extensively tested vaccine with years of science to build on, can have side effects, but a novel virus with no design, no safety protocols won't have them.

Then the idea that a vaccine having digital identification, please read something better which atleast puts forward logical objections. At this point this idea is so ludicrous, it's not even worth addressing.

 

[KingKhanWC]

He is a prime example of the Dunning-Kruger phenomenon.

Unfortunately in a global pandemic, such individuals can cause significant harm.

You claim to be in the medical proffesion but believe this kills 'NORMAL' people. This was an outright lie, which is why you can't back up this claim.

If you want to bring a Iraq into it - only a million people died out of six billion so by your criterion no big deal right? Wrong. All lives are worth preserving.

Sadly the Internet age has made people more ignorant of scientific truth. Anyone can make a conspiracy video which looks credible to people who have not studied science, and so they are misled.

There is no “vaccine digital identification”. Please stop looking at conspiracy sites and start reading science. New Scientist and Nature magazines are good places to start. Then you will have more understanding, and start asking serious questions.

Iraqis were brown foriegners, which is why you may have missed my point. The same people who are ruling you now are the same people who told you Iraq was a danger, so lets go blow up their children, something which you have tried to defend and justify.

Tracking from mobile phones is already in use. Bill Gates disagrees with you , unless you think he is making up conspiracy theories. If so , go protest as he funds the WHO.

 

[KingKhanWC]

He is a prime example of the Dunning-Kruger phenomenon.

Unfortunately in a global pandemic, such individuals can cause significant harm.

If you want to bring a Iraq into it - only a million people died out of six billion so by your criterion no big deal right? Wrong. All lives are worth preserving.

Sadly the Internet age has made people more ignorant of scientific truth. Anyone can make a conspiracy video which looks credible to people who have not studied science, and so they are misled.

There is no “vaccine digital identification”. Please stop looking at conspiracy sites and start reading science. New Scientist and Nature magazines are good places to start. Then you will have more understanding, and start asking serious questions.

You don't want to take the vaccine, apart from telling you why it is the wrong approach, why you have almost next to zero risk from a vaccine, even less so if you are healthy, why it would be better for the community as a whole if you did, I can't do much.

The problem I have is when you post rubbish like the vaccine doing more harm that the virus, or the fact that it will have long term consequence. Or maintain that catching the virus will be better, assuming that it will have none, especially if your view is that a vaccine which has a weakened version or in most cases either inactivated or no virus at all. You really shouldn't talk about stuff you have clearly very little idea about.

[MENTION=7774]Robert[/MENTION] really put it best, If you can handle the full blown virus, you can handle a weakened version. There will be no harmful side effects especially if the full blown version, you are so confident about, has none. I'll even take it further, how about a vaccine that has no coronavirus at all.

The second half of your post says it all really. You have no clue whatsoever about what you are saying. They are making a big deal out of it because it is a big deal, lives are worth saving. Making it a big deal has bought us time so that we are better prepared.

The ironic thing here is that you of all people are calling those who back researched, tested and peer reviewed science, brainwashed sheep, while you are the one maintaining some conspiracy laden, illogical view about vaccination without even a shread of evidence to support your claims. I hope it's not lost on you.

Just think about it for a second:

A global pendamic killing millions is no big deal. But a vaccine which will give a few hundreds at best some mild side effects is.

When all else failed, you have invented a fictional scenario about vaccines killing people, when it is the single greatest preventive tool we have ever invented.

A designed and extensively tested vaccine with years of science to build on, can have side effects, but a novel virus with no design, no safety protocols won't have them.

Then the idea that a vaccine having digital identification, please read something better which atleast puts forward logical objections. At this point this idea is so ludicrous, it's not even worth addressing.

Lovely essay for primary school.

Prove to me the vaccine will do less harm than the virus? A poster mentioned vaccine manufacturers have a clause in their patent which means they cannot be sued if the vaccine kills people. You are more confident than those who will produce it? lol

 

[Taaya]

You claim to be in the medical proffesion but believe this kills 'NORMAL' people. This was an outright lie, which is why you can't back up this claim.

I'm going to keep it real simple for you - so you can understand it. Young and healthy people CAN and DO die from COVID19 due to various complications such as massive cytokines storms, ARDS, strokes, blood clots etc. Older individuals with chronic illnesses are the most susceptible and their mortality rate is much higher with the virus. This does not mean a younger, healthy individual has ZERO chance of dying like you claim.

The other argument is that no matter your age or health status, you are just as likely to spread it to someone that is more vulnerable. That is also YOUR responsibility.

Here are some links that keep it simple without medical jargon for you to understand:

https://www.vox.com/science-and-health/2020/4/8/21207269/covid-19-coronavirus-risk-factors

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...-die-of-coronavirus-covid-19-genes-viral-load

https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/entry...severe-coronavirus_l_5e9eea72c5b6a486d07f3485

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/04/24/strokes-coronavirus-young-patients

https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/coron...can-attack-a-healthy-person-s-lungs-1.4872716

 

[KingKhanWC]

I'm going to keep it real simple for you - so you can understand it. Young and healthy people CAN and DO die from COVID19 due to various complications such as massive cytokines storms, ARDS, strokes, blood clots etc. Older individuals with chronic illnesses are the most susceptible and their mortality rate is much higher with the virus. This does not mean a younger, healthy individual has ZERO chance of dying like you claim.

The other argument is that no matter your age or health status, you are just as likely to spread it to someone that is more vulnerable. That is also YOUR responsibility.

Here are some links that keep it simple without medical jargon for you to understand:

https://www.vox.com/science-and-health/2020/4/8/21207269/covid-19-coronavirus-risk-factors

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...-die-of-coronavirus-covid-19-genes-viral-load

https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/entry...severe-coronavirus_l_5e9eea72c5b6a486d07f3485

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/04/24/strokes-coronavirus-young-patients

https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/coron...can-attack-a-healthy-person-s-lungs-1.4872716

Anyone can die if they have a damaged or weak immune system but these cases are as rare as people dying from peanut allergies. Posting links wont change this. Less than 1% die of this virus in total, out of those less than 10% are young people and they have weak immune systems.

I advise a new career if you're peddling false generalised nonsense such as 'normal people are dying', you know this is not true. Accept your blatant false statement and move on from this thread.

 

[Robert]

Lovely essay for primary school.

Prove to me the vaccine will do less harm than the virus? A poster mentioned vaccine manufacturers have a clause in their patent which means they cannot be sued if the vaccine kills people. You are more confident than those who will produce it? lol

No. People in the U.K. are covered under the Health and Safety at Work Act.

You are asking us to prove to you that something that doesn’t exist is less dangerous that something that kills people.. Of course it is less dangerous! It doesn’t exist! Things that don’t exist can’t hurt you. You do get that, right?

 

[miandadrules]

Anyone can die if they have a damaged or weak immune system but these cases are as rare as people dying from peanut allergies. Posting links wont change this. Less than 1% die of this virus in total, out of those less than 10% are young people and they have weak immune systems.

I advise a new career if you're peddling false generalised nonsense such as 'normal people are dying', you know this is not true. Accept your blatant false statement and move on from this thread.

I think it’s very evident that you are an erudite individual who has researched this in far more detail than the rest of us, who don’t have your intellectual ability.

Can you please share all the material you’ve researched, so we can all be woke?

 

[Taaya]

Anyone can die if they have a damaged or weak immune system but these cases are as rare as people dying from peanut allergies. Posting links wont change this. Less than 1% die of this virus in total, out of those less than 10% are young people and they have weak immune systems.

I advise a new career if you're peddling false generalised nonsense such as 'normal people are dying', you know this is not true. Accept your blatant false statement and move on from this thread.

Weak immune systems? How are you quantifying an immune system? What makes yours strong and others weak? This is an illusory concept you have created in your head because of anecdotal data of your own life. You have no idea what you are talking about. Sometimes its better to keep your lid shut when that is the case.

Dunning-Kruger described individuals like you best. There is no use of wasting anymore of my time with you, you don't have the capacity to learn any further. All the best.

 

[KingKhanWC]

No. People in the U.K. are covered under the Health and Safety at Work Act.

You are asking us to prove to you that something that doesn’t exist is less dangerous that something that kills people.. Of course it is less dangerous! It doesn’t exist! Things that don’t exist can’t hurt you. You do get that, right?

Show me the part in the act where UK residents are covered?

Various vaccines have caused suffereing including in children. Yes it doesnt exist, thanks for this great revalation, when it does exist, you seem confident it wont cause harm, not sure how you know this?

 

[KingKhanWC]

Weak immune systems? How are you quantifying an immune system? What makes yours strong and others weak? This is an illusory concept you have created in your head because of anecdotal data of your own life. You have no idea what you are talking about. Sometimes its better to keep your lid shut when that is the case.

Dunning-Kruger described individuals like you best. There is no use of wasting anymore of my time with you, you don't have the capacity to learn any further. All the best.

lol, I have no idea but you do claiming normal people are dying, they are not. Stop defending your false claim. Of course you want to run away after this shocking claim. Weak immune system isn't an illusionary concept its a medical issue. You can read about this or better still go back to college. I rarely suffer from the common cold or any type of virus because of my diet, exercise and general lifestyle. Move on and better still move proffesion.

 

[KingKhanWC]

I think it’s very evident that you are an erudite individual who has researched this in far more detail than the rest of us, who don’t have your intellectual ability.

Can you please share all the material you’ve researched, so we can all be woke?

Give your opinion on the subject since you are the expert. There seems to nothing you can add to give confidence to those who are not sure of taking the vaccine.

 

[miandadrules]

Give your opinion on the subject since you are the expert. There seems to nothing you can add to give confidence to those who are not sure of taking the vaccine.

I’ll take that as a no then.

 

[miandadrules]

Weak immune systems? How are you quantifying an immune system? What makes yours strong and others weak? This is an illusory concept you have created in your head because of anecdotal data of your own life. You have no idea what you are talking about. Sometimes its better to keep your lid shut when that is the case.

Dunning-Kruger described individuals like you best. There is no use of wasting anymore of my time with you, you don't have the capacity to learn any further. All the best.

He’s well aware of dunning-Kruger.

At least for the last 5 years.

 

[Robert]

Show me the part in the act where UK residents are covered?

Various vaccines have caused suffereing including in children. Yes it doesnt exist, thanks for this great revalation, when it does exist, you seem confident it wont cause harm, not sure how you know this?

http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1974/37/section/3 Hospitals and GP surgeries are therefore prohibited from exposing persons not in their employ from risks to health. That is to say you and I.

Doctors are sworn to First Do No Harm.

The Human Medicines Act 2012 requires that medicines be safe. https://www.health-ni.gov.uk/articles/legislation-covering-medicines

You can look all this stuff up, you don’t need me to find it for you.

Vaccines do not cause suffering in children. Please, please stop reading such conspiracy rubbish and start reading science, then you will be armed with the truth rather than be prey to the peddlers of nonsense.

 

[KingKhanWC]

http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1974/37/section/3 Hospitals and GP surgeries are therefore prohibited from exposing persons not in their employ from risks to health. That is to say you and I.

Doctors are sworn to First Do No Harm.

The Human Medicines Act 2012 requires that medicines be safe. https://www.health-ni.gov.uk/articles/legislation-covering-medicines

You can look all this stuff up, you don’t need me to find it for you.

Vaccines do not cause suffering in children. Please, please stop reading such conspiracy rubbish and start reading science, then you will be armed with the truth rather than be prey to the peddlers of nonsense.

The health and safety at work act is for employers, nothing to do with saving you from the side effects of vaccines, not sure what you're smoking tbh.

Eighteen babies and toddlers have died following childhood vaccinations in just four years, a secret Government report reveals.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uk...s-18-child-deaths-following-vaccinations.html

According to you a government report is a cons theory? Try opening your mind because you still defend the Iraq war so you defending this is no surprise.

 

[miandadrules]

How anyone can be so flippant about endangering the lives of others is beyond me.

 

[miandadrules]

The health and safety at work act is for employers, nothing to do with saving you from the side effects of vaccines, not sure what you're smoking tbh.





https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uk...s-18-child-deaths-following-vaccinations.html

According to you a government report is a cons theory? Try opening your mind because you still defend the Iraq war so you defending this is no surprise.

Is that what you’ve based your decision on?

You’ve obviously researched this. So why not show it us so we can make an informed decision.

Like you said, the medical professionals on here need to go back to school. As you’re clearly more informed than the professionals I would think it is your civic duty to share your knowledge.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Is that what you’ve based your decision on?

You’ve obviously researched this. So why not show it us so we can make an informed decision.

Like you said, the medical professionals on here need to go back to school. As you’re clearly more informed than the professionals I would think it is your civic duty to share your knowledge.

I find you boring because you only question and not offer anything else, so conintue quoting me but you wont ever get a reply again.

 

[miandadrules]

I find you boring because you only question and not offer anything else, so conintue quoting me but you wont ever get a reply again.

No problem.

You should have said you can’t provide any answers at the start. Would have saved 90+ posts.

To summarise your posts.

1. Covid threat is overblown

2. Your immune system is “strong”

3. Nobody will be harmed by your actions.

4. You will isolate when you have the virus. As you will be able isolate when you have it, even if you don’t have symptoms.

5. Vaccines kill people

6. This vaccine will have digital identification

7. You’ve researched this extensively. Know more than professionals but will not share, other than telegraph article.

So, you want to behave recklessly but don’t have the courage of your convictions, to state that you will accept responsibility if your actions lead to the death of others.

 

[Robert]

The health and safety at work act is for employers, nothing to do with saving you from the side effects of vaccines, not sure what you're smoking tbh.





https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uk...s-18-child-deaths-following-vaccinations.html

According to you a government report is a cons theory? Try opening your mind because you still defend the Iraq war so you defending this is no surprise.

If you read the Act S3 you will see that it prohibits employers (such as hospitals) from endangering non-employees (i.e. you and I) from the work activities such as treatment. So I answered your question reasonably but you didn’t bother to read the link properly, instead you applied your own incorrect understanding of the law.

See, this is your problem, you don’t make an effort to read and understand properly. You decide on a belief and reject any legislative and scientific evidence contradicting it. Critical thinkers look at evidence then decide what they believe.

Can’t read that Telegraph article as it is behind a paywall.

 

[KingKhanWC]

If you read the Act S3 you will see that it prohibits employers (such as hospitals) from endangering non-employees (i.e. you and I) from the work activities such as treatment. So I answered your question reasonably but you didn’t bother to read the link properly, instead you applied your own incorrect understanding of the law.

See, this is your problem, you don’t make an effort to read and understand properly. You decide on a belief and reject any legislative and scientific evidence contradicting it. Critical thinkers look at evidence then decide what they believe.

Can’t read that Telegraph article as it is behind a paywall.

No you didn’t . I read the link , this doesn’t protect you against vaccines because vaccine manufacturers make it clear it can cause serious illness . I don’t think you understand what you posted here .

You don’t need to open that link . Babies have died , search for the government report which you called a conspiracy theory. As long as you’re learning now , I will continue with you .

 

[Robert]

No you didn’t . I read the link , this doesn’t protect you against vaccines because vaccine manufacturers make it clear it can cause serious illness . I don’t think you understand what you posted here .

You don’t need to open that link . Babies have died , search for the government report which you called a conspiracy theory. As long as you’re learning now , I will continue with you .

As a health and safety professional I understand the law better than most. Hospitals must so far as reasonably practicable prevent harm to patients under HSWA section 3 and other law. That means they can only apply treatments which are proven to be effective and do not harm patients.

Of course some medicines have side effects but the Doctors must explain these to the patients before administering the treatments.

I searched for the alleged government report you allude to and found none. I bet you haven’t seen such a thing either, else you would post the alleged link.

A quick search reveals no direct evidence that vaccines damage children. There is an association between pertussis vaccine and SIDS in infants but no causal link has been established. Americans vaccinate children with DTaP very young - about two months old - but in the UK we wait - children get MMR at 12-18 months. And that’s why kids don’t die of measles any more. Perhaps the medical professionals here can advise?

Anyway you are not a baby so what is your problem with a putative COVID-19 vaccine delivered to adults?

 

[Shazzam]

I pretty sure the latest research has shown that this virus attacks more places than the lungs. Once you recover from it the damages done to your body remain. Not sure why anyone would wanna deal with that instead of taking a vaccine. But hey I gotta applaud the OP’s bravery in these hard times. He is truly fighting this virus like a cheetah.

 

[KingKhanWC]

As a health and safety professional I understand the law better than most. Hospitals must so far as reasonably practicable prevent harm to patients under HSWA section 3 and other law. That means they can only apply treatments which are proven to be effective and do not harm patients.

Of course some medicines have side effects but the Doctors must explain these to the patients before administering the treatments.

I searched for the alleged government report you allude to and found none. I bet you haven’t seen such a thing either, else you would post the alleged link.

A quick search reveals no direct evidence that vaccines damage children. There is an association between pertussis vaccine and SIDS in infants but no causal link has been established. Americans vaccinate children with DTaP very young - about two months old - but in the UK we wait - children get MMR at 12-18 months. And that’s why kids don’t die of measles any more. Perhaps the medical professionals here can advise?

Anyway you are not a baby so what is your problem with a putative COVID-19 vaccine delivered to adults?

Sorry Robert but this isn't the case.

1. UK government have their own website for Vaccine Damage Payments.

" Overview

If you’re severely disabled as a result of a vaccination against certain diseases, you could get a one-off tax-free payment of £120,000. This is called a Vaccine Damage Payment."

https://www.gov.uk/vaccine-damage-payment

2. The UK government has paid out £3.5 million in damages but keep such records secret. You have to obtain information through the freedom of information act. Government will also hide which vaccines and what the damage to the person was.

"The government has paid out £3.5m to patients left disabled by vaccinations since 1997, it has been revealed."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/4356027.stm

3. There has been research which suggests those who took the flu jab are upto 5 times more likely get coronavirus.

Im surprised you didn't know this being a health and safety proffesional.

 

[KingKhanWC]

I pretty sure the latest research has shown that this virus attacks more places than the lungs. Once you recover from it the damages done to your body remain. Not sure why anyone would wanna deal with that instead of taking a vaccine. But hey I gotta applaud the OP’s bravery in these hard times. He is truly fighting this virus like a cheetah.

This virus will do nothing to me, no need to fight it, my immune system will take care of but I believe it already has . In December I had a temprature, which is very rare for me, it wasnt severe and only lasted 24hrs. My advice is build your immune system but eating natural foods, honey, fruit, nuts and exercise daily. But if you want to sit back and wait for a vaccine to save you, good luck to you.

 

[HitWicket]

Sorry Robert but this isn't the case.

1. UK government have their own website for Vaccine Damage Payments.

" Overview

If you’re severely disabled as a result of a vaccination against certain diseases, you could get a one-off tax-free payment of £120,000. This is called a Vaccine Damage Payment."

https://www.gov.uk/vaccine-damage-payment

2. The UK government has paid out £3.5 million in damages but keep such records secret. You have to obtain information through the freedom of information act. Government will also hide which vaccines and what the damage to the person was.

"The government has paid out £3.5m to patients left disabled by vaccinations since 1997, it has been revealed."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/4356027.stm

So you're significantly more likely to die once you get the coronavirus than you are to develop a disability as a result of a vaccination...?

3. There has been research which suggests those who took the flu jab are upto 5 times more likely get coronavirus.

There's no study that suggests anything like this for the current SARS-CoV-2.

 

[Robert]

Sorry Robert but this isn't the case.

1. UK government have their own website for Vaccine Damage Payments.

" Overview

If you’re severely disabled as a result of a vaccination against certain diseases, you could get a one-off tax-free payment of £120,000. This is called a Vaccine Damage Payment."

https://www.gov.uk/vaccine-damage-payment

2. The UK government has paid out £3.5 million in damages but keep such records secret. You have to obtain information through the freedom of information act. Government will also hide which vaccines and what the damage to the person was.

"The government has paid out £3.5m to patients left disabled by vaccinations since 1997, it has been revealed."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/4356027.stm

3. There has been research which suggests those who took the flu jab are upto 5 times more likely get coronavirus.

Im surprised you didn't know this being a health and safety proffesional.

That’s a clinical risk issue, outside my experience, I do industrial risk.

Ok, that’s a 2005 article talking about the period 1997-2005, and doesn’t say what the alleged injuries were or how many injuries or what vaccines were involved. DoH presumably settled out of court as this is not public record.

So still no Government report that you allude to and no evidence that babies have been damaged by vaccines - merely evidence that maybe the DoH settled out of court for some undisclosed matter or matters.

A jab to prevent you getting flu makes you more likely to get a completely different virus? How?

Are you seriously telling me that you never had BCG and polio vaccination? Shocking if so. I had those, plus measles, mumps and rubella jabs in childhood, then a second BCG, tetanus and Hepatitis C as an adult due to the industry I worked in. It was necessary for me to have those, to demonstrate that my employer had satisfied the requirements of the Health and Safety at Work Act.

 

[Robert]

This virus will do nothing to me, no need to fight it, my immune system will take care of but I believe it already has . In December I had a temprature, which is very rare for me, it wasnt severe and only lasted 24hrs. My advice is build your immune system but eating natural foods, honey, fruit, nuts and exercise daily. But if you want to sit back and wait for a vaccine to save you, good luck to you.

COVID-19 didn’t emerge until January. You probably had a winter cold.

 

[KingKhanWC]

That’s a clinical risk issue, outside my experience, I do industrial risk.

Ok, that’s a 2005 article talking about the period 1997-2005, and doesn’t say what the alleged injuries were or how many injuries or what vaccines were involved. DoH presumably settled out of court as this is not public record.

So still no Government report that you allude to and no evidence that babies have been damaged by vaccines - merely evidence that maybe the DoH settled out of court for some undisclosed matter or matters.

A jab to prevent you getting flu makes you more likely to get a completely different virus? How?

Are you seriously telling me that you never had BCG and polio vaccination? Shocking if so. I had those, plus measles, mumps and rubella jabs in childhood, then a second BCG, tetanus and Hepatitis C as an adult due to the industry I worked in. It was necessary for me to have those, to demonstrate that my employer had satisfied the requirements of the Health and Safety at Work Act.

That’s a clinical risk issue, outside my experience, I do industrial risk.

Ok, that’s a 2005 article talking about the period 1997-2005, and doesn’t say what the alleged injuries were or how many injuries or what vaccines were involved. DoH presumably settled out of court as this is not public record.

So still no Government report that you allude to and no evidence that babies have been damaged by vaccines - merely evidence that maybe the DoH settled out of court for some undisclosed matter or matters.

A jab to prevent you getting flu makes you more likely to get a completely different virus? How?

Are you seriously telling me that you never had BCG and polio vaccination? Shocking if so. I had those, plus measles, mumps and rubella jabs in childhood, then a second BCG, tetanus and Hepatitis C as an adult due to the industry I worked in. It was necessary for me to have those, to demonstrate that my employer had satisfied the requirements of the Health and Safety at Work Act.

I only had jabs at school because I was too young to understand what a vaccine was. Since then never.

You are ignorning my points. Please address them.

1. Why does the UK government have Vaccine Damage Payments?

2. Ingore the dates, why did they pay out £3.5 million? Are you saying no payments have been made since 2005?

3. Try this one. "40 deaths linked to child vaccines over seven years"

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/40-deaths-linked-to-child-vaccines-over-seven-years-5xwhd9jtprr

Ill find the research on the flu jab insreasing your risk or getting coronavirus symptoms. But please address each point.

 

[KingKhanWC]

COVID-19 didn’t emerge until January. You probably had a winter cold.

in December, a recent study by researchers at University College London and the University of Reunion Island, found COVID-19 may have made the jump from its initial host to humans at some point between October 6 and December 11.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1...er-december-china-wuhan-pandemic-ons-data-spt

 

[miandadrules]

This virus will do nothing to me, no need to fight it, my immune system will take care of but I believe it already has . In December I had a temprature, which is very rare for me, it wasnt severe and only lasted 24hrs. My advice is build your immune system but eating natural foods, honey, fruit, nuts and exercise daily. But if you want to sit back and wait for a vaccine to save you, good luck to you.

Absolutely! Great advice. I can tell this was thoroughly researched.

But you forgot to mention that if you rub your tummy and tap your head at the same time it will cover you from developing diabetes too.

 

[Robert]

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1...er-december-china-wuhan-pandemic-ons-data-spt

So you were in Wuhan then?

 

[KingKhanWC]

So you were in Wuhan then?

lol. There are dozens of reports it arrived in France in December and reports of it arriving in the UK in December too, which makes sense.

Im glad I have opened your eyes to the dangers of vaccines, the UK governments payouts.

We can discuss this further when the vaccine comes out, if it does. You're one of the best posters who actually will debate and a good person too. Wish you the best of health for you and your wife but please dont rush to take the vaccine until you have all the information available to you.

 

[miandadrules]

lol. There are dozens of reports it arrived in France in December and reports of it arriving in the UK in December too, which makes sense.

Im glad I have opened your eyes to the dangers of vaccines, the UK governments payouts.

We can discuss this further when the vaccine comes out, if it does. You're one of the best posters who actually will debate and a good person too. Wish you the best of health for you and your wife but please dont rush to take the vaccine until you have all the information available to you.

But you have all the information yet you won’t share.

I have to agree with you. I think [MENTION=7774]Robert[/MENTION] should put the safety of his family in your hands. You’ve made such a compelling case.


And if things don’t work out, I know you being a man integrity, morality and exceptional intelligence will stand up acknowledge the blood on your hands.

Won’t be much good then but hey sorry about trying to make you feel “guilty”.

 

[Robert]

I only had jabs at school because I was too young to understand what a vaccine was. Since then never.

You are ignorning my points. Please address them.

1. Why does the UK government have Vaccine Damage Payments?

2. Ingore the dates, why did they pay out £3.5 million? Are you saying no payments have been made since 2005?

3. Try this one. "40 deaths linked to child vaccines over seven years"

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/40-deaths-linked-to-child-vaccines-over-seven-years-5xwhd9jtprr

Ill find the research on the flu jab insreasing your risk or getting coronavirus symptoms. But please address each point.

1. I don’t know, the article does not say what vaccine or vaccines were involved.

I read that one MMR vaccination in a million results in childhood encephalitis. But that must be weighed against the one measles case in 5000 that results in encephalitis.

2. Can’t tell from the link you posted. But https://fullfact.org/online/vaccine-damage-fund/ suggests that there have been 941 successful claims since 1978. We don’t know what for so we can’t compare harm done by a given vaccination programme against the harm prevented by the same programme.

3. “Linked”. So presumably no causal relationship established, just a statistical correlation. It’s behind a paywall so I can’t read it.

 

[Robert]

lol. There are dozens of reports it arrived in France in December and reports of it arriving in the UK in December too, which makes sense.

Im glad I have opened your eyes to the dangers of vaccines, the UK governments payouts.

We can discuss this further when the vaccine comes out, if it does. You're one of the best posters who actually will debate and a good person too. Wish you the best of health for you and your wife but please dont rush to take the vaccine until you have all the information available to you.

The first COVID-19 case in the UK was 29 January. You had a cold.

 

[miandadrules]

1. I don’t know, the article does not say what vaccine or vaccines were involved.

I read that one MMR vaccination in a million results in childhood encephalitis. But that must be weighed against the one measles case in 5000 that results in encephalitis.

2. Can’t tell from the link you posted. But https://fullfact.org/online/vaccine-damage-fund/ suggests that there have been 941 successful claims since 1978. We don’t know what for so we can’t compare harm done by a given vaccination programme against the harm prevented by the same programme.

3. “Linked”. So presumably no causal relationship established, just a statistical correlation. It’s behind a paywall so I can’t read it.

No problem.

I know @KKWC has subscription to The Times and read the article in full before he posted it.

I’m sure he’ll post the article in full.

He will soon post some scholarly articles to truly solidify his point.

 

[miandadrules]

The first COVID-19 case in the UK was 29 January. You had a cold.

Nope it was Covid.

But his immune system was so strong he submitted it within two hours.

The virus was ashamed is demoted itself to the common cold.

 

[Taaya]

It's almost as if the long list of diseases eradicated by vaccines never existed. Me no see, me no care!

Threads like these are frightening - you get to see whats really out there roaming around. I really hope countries make this vaccine mandatory.

 

[Robert]

However [MENTION=43583]KingKhanWC[/MENTION] you have convinced me that vaccination is not 100% safe.

Ten million vaccinations result in ten cases of childhood encephalitis. But not doing ten million vaccinations results in 4000 cases of childhood encephalitis, and 5000 deaths.

 

[KingKhanWC]

The first COVID-19 case in the UK was 29 January. You had a cold.

I dont get colds, its only a high temperature but sure it could have been anything. But France did have Covid19 cases in December and it's not crazy to suggest UK did too, as we have thousands coming in from France every week. Tbh I dont actually care what it was because im never ill for more than 24 hrs and this has been the case for the last 15 years.

However @<a href="http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/member.php?u=43583" target="_blank">KingKhanWC</a> you have convinced me that vaccination is not 100% safe.

Ten million vaccinations result in ten cases of childhood encephalitis. But not doing ten million vaccinations results in 4000 cases of childhood encephalitis, and 5000 deaths.

Thanks. It wasn't to convince you but to bring another view to the table. It's important people do their own research before putting anything into their bodies. It just shocks me we have people claiming to be doctors or other health proffesionals who feel vaccines are 100% safe, they are not. I never suggested vaccines are all dodgy.

This is a great interview with an experienced Doctor, not cowboys on the internet. It's balanced and he is only saying what I suggested, nothing more.

 

[miandadrules]

I dont get colds, its only a high temperature but sure it could have been anything. But France did have Covid19 cases in December and it's not crazy to suggest UK did too, as we have thousands coming in from France every week. Tbh I dont actually care what it was because im never ill for more than 24 hrs and this has been the case for the last 15 years.



Thanks. It wasn't to convince you but to bring another view to the table. It's important people do their own research before putting anything into their bodies. It just shocks me we have people claiming to be doctors or other health proffesionals who feel vaccines are 100% safe, they are not. I never suggested vaccines are all dodgy.

This is a great interview with an experienced Doctor, not cowboys on the internet. It's balanced and he is only saying what I suggested, nothing more.

Sure, that all you’re saying.


So, whose been posting all that nonsense under your username in this thread?

 

[Taaya]

The lack of logic on this thread is shocking.

Lets use the example of heart disease. When an individual is diagnosed with coronary artery disease, they are put on several medications, in order to prevent a potentially catastrophic heart attack. These medications include a baby aspirin, statins, and potentially a few others depending on other underlying illnesses. ALL these medications have minor side effects (with a very low chance of having a major adverse event, but still possible). Regardless, every sane individual will take these medications, because the consequence of not taking them greatly outweighs the risks of taking them. This is essentially what clinical trials establish.

There is an inherent risk to everything that enters your body (for example, even the water you drink could be infected, the air you breathe could be polluted). With vaccines, the side effects are minor and relatively rare. The benefit greatly outweighs the benefits, and it is not even close. Anybody that argues otherwise is simply arguing against facts and statistics.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Sure, that all you’re saying.


So, whose been posting all that nonsense under your username in this thread?

The lack of logic on this thread is shocking.

Lets use the example of heart disease. When an individual is diagnosed with coronary artery disease, they are put on several medications, in order to prevent a potentially catastrophic heart attack. These medications include a baby aspirin, statins, and potentially a few others depending on other underlying illnesses. ALL these medications have minor side effects (with a very low chance of having a major adverse event, but still possible). Regardless, every sane individual will take these medications, because the consequence of not taking them greatly outweighs the risks of taking them. This is essentially what clinical trials establish.

There is an inherent risk to everything that enters your body (for example, even the water you drink could be infected, the air you breathe could be polluted). With vaccines, the side effects are minor and relatively rare. The benefit greatly outweighs the benefits, and it is not even close. Anybody that argues otherwise is simply arguing against facts and statistics.

Cowboy doctors on the internet. One saying no risk , you are to blame for leading others to deaths ,even thought MOST will not take the vaccine. The other saying NORMAL people are dying.

Scary both of you are actually responsible for the lives of human beings.

 

[miandadrules]

Cowboy doctors on the internet. One saying no risk , you are to blame for leading others to deaths ,even thought MOST will not take the vaccine. The other saying NORMAL people are dying.

Scary both of you are actually responsible for the lives of human beings.

Who said there is no risk?

Quick question.

Why should people put more faith in what you say as opposed to these cowboy doctors?

How can one differentiate between the ignorant babble from an uneducated, prejudiced raddled, narrow minded blowhard who has probably never read a book in his life and a highly educated individual such as yourself?

Thank you in advance.

 

[Taaya]

Cowboy doctors on the internet. One saying no risk , you are to blame for leading others to deaths ,even thought MOST will not take the vaccine. The other saying NORMAL people are dying.

Scary both of you are actually responsible for the lives of human beings.

Yes, doctors that actually see patients with this virus daily are lying, and it is you preaching the truth with your armchair PhD.

Yes, young and healthy individuals CAN die from the virus. There were numerous sources with data provided to you but you said "no links can convince you". So data can't convince you, the word of frontline health care workers can't convince you. This just means you are a lost cause.

Get a grip on yourself, and open your eyes to the facts. I suggest you stop embarrassing yourself over and over again.

 

[Robert]

Cowboy doctors on the internet. One saying no risk , you are to blame for leading others to deaths ,even thought MOST will not take the vaccine. The other saying NORMAL people are dying.

Scary both of you are actually responsible for the lives of human beings.

All people are normal people.

Mrs Robert developed a dry cough in late March and I felt fatigued for several days. It is possible that we were exposed to C19. Or maybe we both caught a cold. Yet two healthy and strong friends of mine required intensive care.

 

[Abdullah719]

Exclusive: A quarter of Americans are hesitant about a coronavirus vaccine - Reuters/Ipsos poll

(Reuters) - A quarter of Americans have little or no interest in taking a coronavirus vaccine, a Reuters/Ipsos poll published on Thursday found, with some voicing concern that the record pace at which vaccine candidates are being developed could compromise safety.

While health experts say a vaccine to prevent infection is needed to return life to normal, the survey points to a potential trust issue for the Trump administration already under fire for its often contradictory safety guidance during the pandemic.

Some 36% of respondents said they would be less willing to take a vaccine if U.S. President Donald Trump said it was safe, compared with only 14% who would be more interested.

Spoiler

Most respondents in the survey of 4,428 U.S. adults taken between May 13 and May 19 said they would be heavily influenced by guidance from the Food and Drug Administration or results of large-scale scientific studies showing that the vaccine was safe.

Less than two-thirds of respondents said they were “very” or “somewhat” interested in a vaccine, a figure some health experts expected would be higher given the heightened awareness of COVID-19 and the more than 92,000 coronavirus-related deaths in the United States alone.

“It’s a little lower than I thought it would be with all the attention to COVID-19,” said Dr. William Schaffner, an infectious disease and vaccine expert at Vanderbilt University Medical Center in Nashville. “I would have expected somewhere around 75 percent.”

Fourteen percent of respondents said they were not at all interested in taking a vaccine, and 10% said they were not very interested. Another 11% were unsure.

Studies are underway, but experts estimate that at least 70% of Americans would need to be immune through a vaccine or prior infection to achieve what is known as “herd immunity,” when enough people are resistant to an infectious disease to prevent its spread.

Trump has vowed to have a vaccine ready by year’s end, although they typically take 10 years or longer to develop and test for safety and effectiveness. Many experts believe a fully tested, government-approved vaccine will not be widely available until mid-2021 at the earliest.

There are more than 100 COVID-19 vaccine candidates in development globally, including some already in human clinical trials. Earlier this week, U.S. biotech Moderna Inc announced potentially promising preliminary results from just eight individuals who took part in a safety study.

Among those respondents who expressed little or no interest in a coronavirus vaccine, nearly half said they were worried about the speed with which they are being developed. More than 40% said they believe the vaccine is riskier than the disease itself.

MISINFORMATION HURDLE
Overall, 84% of respondents said vaccines for diseases such as measles are safe for both adults and children, suggesting that people hesitant to take a coronavirus vaccine might reconsider, depending on safety assurances they receive.

For example, among those who said they were “not very” interested in taking the vaccine, 29% said they would be more interested if the FDA approved it.

Some experts have said the White House’s emphasis on speed – its vaccine effort is called “Operation Warp Speed” – could leave people worried that safety was being sacrificed for swiftness.

In addition, misinformation about vaccines has grown more prevalent on social media during the pandemic, according to academic researchers.

“It’s not surprising a significant percentage of Americans are not going to take the vaccine because of the terrible messaging we’ve had, the absence of a communication plan around the vaccine and this very aggressive anti-vaccine movement,” said Peter Hotez, dean of the National School of Tropical Medicine at Baylor College of Medicine, where he is developing a vaccine.

The poll underscores how the country’s deepening polarization has affected people’s view of the pandemic.

Nearly one in five Republicans say they have no interest in a vaccine, more than twice the proportion of Democrats who said the same.

Trump, a Republican, has offered mixed messages during the outbreak. He has at times downplayed the seriousness of the pandemic and encouraged public protests against his government’s own stay-at-home guidelines intended to slow the pathogen’s spread.

He has also urged Americans to try unproven treatments for COVID-19, such as the malaria drug hydroxychloroquine, which he said on Monday he has taken for weeks despite warnings about its use from the FDA and other health experts.

The poll responses varied among certain demographic groups. Only half of black Americans, who represent a disproportionate percentage of coronavirus deaths, said they were somewhat or very interested in a vaccine, perhaps reflecting memories of an infamous U.S. government study that left black men deliberately untreated for syphilis.

College-educated white women - a politically important demographic that has moved sharply away from the Republican Party during the Trump era - were particularly concerned about how quickly the vaccine is being developed. More than 40% said Trump’s reassurance would make them less willing to take it.

The Reuters/Ipsos poll was conducted online, in English, throughout the United States and had a credibility interval, a measure of precision, of plus or minus 2 percentage points.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...irus-vaccine-reuters-ipsos-poll-idUSKBN22X19G

 

[Superflex]

If it is voluntary, not on your nelly! If it's mandatory, can I reserve ticket no 67,852,020 in advance please...

 

[sweep_shot]

Johnson & Johnson pauses coronavirus vaccine trials after ‘unexplained illness’

Johnson & Johnson has temporarily paused its clinical trials for a potential novel coronavirus vaccine after an “unexplained illness” in a study participant, the company said Monday.

In a statement posted to its website, the company said the person’s illness is being reviewed and evaluated by the independent Data Safety Monitoring Board along with the company’s own physicians.

The company assured that such “serious adverse events” are not uncommon in clinical trials. It’s also not clear if the illness came from the vaccine candidate itself or from a placebo.

“Adverse events — illnesses, accidents, etc. — even those that are serious, are an expected part of any clinical study, especially large studies,” the company’s statement reads.

The news comes just over a month after AstraZeneca halted its own trial for a vaccine being developed with Oxford University after a “potentially unexplained illness” in the United Kingdom. The trial resumed six days later.

Johnson & Johnson’s Phase 3 COVID-19 vaccine trials, which began in late September, are one of the largest in the world so far. The company is testing the shot in 60,000 volunteers in the U.S., South Africa, Argentina, Brazil, Chile, Colombia, Mexico and Peru.

The potential vaccine, which is being developed by the company’s subsidiary Janssen in Belgium, is based on vector technology, the same used by AstraZeneca.

An early-to-mid stage clinical trial found the vaccine candidate produced a strong immune response against SARS-CoV-2, though it was unclear if older patients saw a similar result. The findings were published in late September.

No vaccine has completed Phase 3 trials yet anywhere in the world.

New vaccines or drugs go through multiple stages of trials on humans, looking first to see if they are safe and cause no serious adverse reactions. Each phase adds more people, with usually fewer than a dozen to start, rising to tens of thousands by Phase 3.

Johnson & Johnson has not yet applied for Canadian approval. AstraZeneca is the only company so far to do so, submitting its application its first scientific results on Oct. 2.

In the last two months, Public Services and Procurement Canada has signed deals with the makers of six COVID-19 vaccines, including AstraZeneca, that will see Canada spend more than $1 billion to get guaranteed access to between 20 million and 76 million doses of each one if they are approved.

The U.S., which has signed off on and championed Johnson & Johnson and other private companies’ vaccine efforts, is pushing to have a worthy candidate approved before the end of the year.

Source: https://globalnews.ca/news/7393414/johnson-johnson-coronavirus-vaccine-pause/amp/.

 

[Firebat]

'Miracle cure' trial paused

A US clinical trial testing monoclonal antibodies to treat Covid-19 has been paused for safety concerns.

The treatment has been developed by drug company Eli Lily, and is similar to the one Donald Trump received after testing positive for coronavirus (his was from biotech company Regeneron).

The therapy involves giving patients laboratory-made antibodies that boost the immune response and block the virus from entering cells. Early results have been promising - and Donald Trump declared monoclonal antibodies a “miracle cure” after his recovery. But - and this is a big but - the treatment is still unproven, which is why it is being tested in large clinical trials and why it’s so important to do these trials properly.

Temporarily stopping a clinical trial, to properly investigate if, for example, a person has become ill, is a vital part of that process. We’ve already seen a pause with the Oxford vaccine trial, and more recently with Johnson & Johnson’s vaccine candidate - and this stop-start process is likely to happen with new treatments like monoclonal antibodies, too.

There are currently few details about the circumstances that led to Eli Lily’s trial being halted - and the duration of the stoppage would depend on how long any investigation takes. A lengthy delay would increase the time it takes to show whether the treatment is or isn’t effective - but safety must always be the priority over speed.

 

[MenInG]

So how many have taken covid-19 vaccine in a trial?

 

[MenInG]

Misinformation could turn people against COVID vaccines, study finds

Conspiracy theories and misinformation is fuelling mistrust in COVID-19 vaccines, a new study has found.

Scientists believe it could threaten the need to protect communities against the disease.

The study of 8,000 people in the two countries found that fewer people would "definitely" take a COVID-19 vaccine than the 55% of the population scientists estimate is needed to provide so-called "herd immunity".

"Vaccines only work if people take them. Misinformation plays into existing anxieties and uncertainty around new (COVID) vaccines, as well as the new platforms that are being used to develop them," said Heidi Larson, a professor at the London School of Hygiene & Tropical Medicine, who co-led the study.

Source SkyNews

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Misinformation could turn people against COVID vaccines, study finds

Conspiracy theories and misinformation is fuelling mistrust in COVID-19 vaccines, a new study has found.

Scientists believe it could threaten the need to protect communities against the disease.

The study of 8,000 people in the two countries found that fewer people would "definitely" take a COVID-19 vaccine than the 55% of the population scientists estimate is needed to provide so-called "herd immunity".

"Vaccines only work if people take them. Misinformation plays into existing anxieties and uncertainty around new (COVID) vaccines, as well as the new platforms that are being used to develop them," said Heidi Larson, a professor at the London School of Hygiene & Tropical Medicine, who co-led the study.

Source SkyNews

Which two countries were these studies taken from? It doesn't say in that snippet, and there's no link to the article.

I struggle to understand why anybody would refuse a vaccine which is being rolled out countrywide. This pandemic has crippled life as we know it, anything which gets us back to normal should be welcomed.

 

[Third_Umpire]

Given the nature of Covid, vaccines should be mandated for all. Why put the decision in the hands of village idiots who will find reasons not to protect themselves and harm others?

 

[MenInG]

Anti-vaccination content should be "stamped-out" on social media, Labour has said.

With hopes rising of a COVID-19 jab being rolled out by the end of the year, the opposition has called for emergency legislation to "stamp out dangerous anti-vax content".

 

[Robert]

Anti-vaccination content should be "stamped-out" on social media, Labour has said.

With hopes rising of a COVID-19 jab being rolled out by the end of the year, the opposition has called for emergency legislation to "stamp out dangerous anti-vax content".

I completely agree. This rubbish should not be allowed to proliferate.

 

[James]

Vaccines, like many things to do with our rights and bodies, are an individual choice imo.

I probably will end up taking the vaccine; but to be honest, I am in my early 30s, with no relevant underlying health conditions, and I have a relatively normal (slightly high) BMI. So I am at a minor risk of dying from, or even getting particularly ill with Covid.

So even if I wanted to take this vaccine, I am at a very low priority level statistically, and so I don’t think I will be offered it for many years. At which point we would know if it was safe or not. So I would be able to make a sound decision.

 

[Robert]

Vaccines, like many things to do with our rights and bodies, are an individual choice imo.

I probably will end up taking the vaccine; but to be honest, I am in my early 30s, with no relevant underlying health conditions, and I have a relatively normal (slightly high) BMI. So I am at a minor risk of dying from, or even getting particularly ill with Covid.

So even if I wanted to take this vaccine, I am at a very low priority level statistically, and so I don’t think I will be offered it for many years. At which point we would know if it was safe or not. So I would be able to make a sound decision.

They are all safe. This is the U.K. They cannot be released without exhaustive clinical trials.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

They are all safe. This is the U.K. They cannot be released without exhaustive clinical trials.

Agreed. We Brits are above monetary influence due to an innate sense of justice which those outside these green and pleasant isles could never understand.

 

[Robert]

Lovely essay for primary school.

Prove to me the vaccine will do less harm than the virus? A poster mentioned vaccine manufacturers have a clause in their patent which means they cannot be sued if the vaccine kills people. You are more confident than those who will produce it? lol

Ok, I had a bad reaction to my yellow fever jab and suffered a rotten cold for a week. But that was better than catching yellow fever and rolling the dice with bad odds of dying of liver failure.

You don’t seem to understand what ‘proof” means. Your “proof” will be the sharp and sustained drop in COVID-related deaths after the vaccine comes into use. Fifty thousand of us have died in the UK and no end in sight. The only way to return to normal functioning society is mass vaccination.

Just as TB kills mere hundreds in UK each year instead of the tens of thousands it did, measles kills almost nobody instead of taking children away in droves, and smallpox is entirely eradicated - all due to mass vaccination.

 

[Robert]

Agreed. We Brits are above monetary influence due to an innate sense of justice which those outside these green and pleasant isles could never understand.

Come on Cap, you’re better than this. Ever since the Thalidomide disaster, control over potential new treatments has been rigorous here.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Come on Cap, you’re better than this. Ever since the Thalidomide disaster, control over potential new treatments has been rigorous here.

Don't get me wrong, I would still trust a British vaccine, our standards are second to none, but I also recognise that everything is for sale these days, including the health service. We didn't have small print in the days of Thalidomide.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Ok, I had a bad reaction to my yellow fever jab and suffered a rotten cold for a week. But that was better than catching yellow fever and rolling the dice with bad odds of dying of liver failure.

You don’t seem to understand what ‘proof” means. Your “proof” will be the sharp and sustained drop in COVID-related deaths after the vaccine comes into use. Fifty thousand of us have died in the UK and no end in sight. The only way to return to normal functioning society is mass vaccination.

Just as TB kills mere hundreds in UK each year instead of the tens of thousands it did, measles kills almost nobody instead of taking children away in droves, and smallpox is entirely eradicated - all due to mass vaccination.

Well we know have Boris back in isoloation having previously tested postive. Why isnt he immune? No antibodies? Didnt he and his brainless scientists mention herd immunity is the only way?

We also now know this virus has been around since Sept 2019.

They are clueless Robert. Having a look at pfizers history, I'd rather inject myself with Dettol!

 

[Robert]

Well we know have Boris back in isoloation having previously tested postive. Why isnt he immune? No antibodies? Didnt he and his brainless scientists mention herd immunity is the only way?

We also now know this virus has been around since Sept 2019.

They are clueless Robert. Having a look at pfizers history, I'd rather inject myself with Dettol!

Either he has been infected by a different COVID strain, or (thinking more cynically) he is hiding in the knowledge that he is about to do a deal with the EU that protects the GFA / divides NI from GB / stitches up his rich party donors.

“Brainless scientist” is an oxymoron - you don’t get to be a scientist unless you are super smart, and you don’t stay one without working hard.

Never mind big pharma, the Medicines and Healthcare Products Regulatory Agency will stop the vaccine entering use if it doesn’t work properly. I trust them. Way back I did a degree in a medical science subject, and this is where my confidence in the process comes from.

 

[Markhor]

Well we know have Boris back in isoloation having previously tested postive. Why isnt he immune? No antibodies?

He may be immune but he can transmit the virus to someone who doesn't have any antibodies to fight it, hence self-isolation.

Boris is an idiot, where was his mask and why wasn't he socially distancing ? What was so urgent that he needed to meet that MP face to face ? One rule for No.10, another for everyone else.

 

[Robert]

UK Gov orders 5m doses of the Moderna vaccine.

Unlike the Pfizer product it does not have to be kept at -80C making it more portable and storable.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-54957220

 

[KingKhanWC]

UK Gov orders 5m doses of the Moderna vaccine.

Unlike the Pfizer product it does not have to be kept at -80C making it more portable and storable.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-54957220

Moderna have never produced a vaccine before, they have no experience.

Both vaccine makers have stated the vaccine may only protect people for 12 months but could be as less as 3 months. This will lead to bigger problems as we will assume those vaccinated are safe but this could only be a for a short period of time.

Eventually they will use Hydrogel technology which will be a digital implant into your body.

I wont be taking any vaccine for Covid or for anything else.

 

[Robert]

Moderna have never produced a vaccine before, they have no experience.

Both vaccine makers have stated the vaccine may only protect people for 12 months but could be as less as 3 months. This will lead to bigger problems as we will assume those vaccinated are safe but this could only be a for a short period of time.

Eventually they will use Hydrogel technology which will be a digital implant into your body.

I wont be taking any vaccine for Covid or for anything else.

I’m vaxxed to the max.

You didn’t get BCG or polio vaccines?

 

[Arsal_AK]

UK Gov orders 5m doses of the Moderna vaccine.

Unlike the Pfizer product it does not have to be kept at -80C making it more portable and storable.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-54957220

Pfizer storing temperature will drop lower as well. They are currently testing it and have already reduced it to -50 C I think. Should be much lower still.

But yeah, as of now Moderna should be able to work in lot more areas such as where such storage requirements can't be met. Lower temperatures are going to be essential for developing countries.

We should get Oxford data as well this or next week. Hopefully, it's just as good. That will give us three vaccines.

 

[Robert]

Pfizer storing temperature will drop lower as well. They are currently testing it and have already reduced it to -50 C I think. Should be much lower still.

But yeah, as of now Moderna should be able to work in lot more areas such as where such storage requirements can't be met. Lower temperatures are going to be essential for developing countries.

We should get Oxford data as well this or next week. Hopefully, it's just as good. That will give us three vaccines.

Excellent- see which is the most effective and then buy more of it.

 

[KingKhanWC]

I’m vaxxed to the max.

You didn’t get BCG or polio vaccines?

Never had any vaccine. Ive dont even take paracetomal. The bodies immune system is ver resiliant but you have to eat healthy ,exercise etc. GM foods are destroying many peoples immune system, I have also been eating organic or home grown foods for a while now.

 

[miandadrules]

Never had any vaccine. Ive dont even take paracetomal. The bodies immune system is ver resiliant but you have to eat healthy ,exercise etc. GM foods are destroying many peoples immune system, I have also been eating organic or home grown foods for a while now.

Why you haven’t been admitted to an elite medical school is beyond me.

Any data to back up your claims?

 

[Robert]

Never had any vaccine. Ive dont even take paracetomal. The bodies immune system is ver resiliant but you have to eat healthy ,exercise etc. GM foods are destroying many peoples immune system, I have also been eating organic or home grown foods for a while now.

You never had BCG at school? I hope you don’t get TB. If so it will take six months to get rid of, *if* you get heavy antibiotics throughout. Won’t matter what you eat. I had BCG once as a kid and a second time as an adult when I worked in a pathology lab. It was required by the hospital before I started working there. They made me have a tetanus shot too. I offer the thought that they know more about it than you.

BTW, GM foods are banned by the EU under the Precautionary Principle, so I don’t know where you got that idea from.

 

[KingKhanWC]

You never had BCG at school? I hope you don’t get TB. If so it will take six months to get rid of, *if* you get heavy antibiotics throughout. Won’t matter what you eat. I had BCG once as a kid and a second time as an adult when I worked in a pathology lab. It was required by the hospital before I started working there. They made me have a tetanus shot too. I offer the thought that they know more about it than you.

I cant recall but I think I was screened and didnt require anything for TB.

I dont worry about it at all.

BTW, GM foods are banned by the EU under the Precautionary Principle, so I don’t know where you got that idea from.

Many animals we eat or meat of such animals have GM feed in their diets, besides I travel a lot.

Am I wrong in reading these vaccines may only protect for upto 12 months or much lesser time?

 

[Gabbar Singh]

If the vaccine is not mandatory, will you take it?

@mods Please add a poll.


I wont be taking any vaccine, I dont even take paracetamol. I will rely on my bodies own immune system to overcome this.

You?

It’s not beyond the realms of possibility that the vaccine will be linked to our ability to travel or not - for example, say you had to be vaccinated in order to travel to Pakistan or partake in Haj/Umrah would you still not take it?

http://www.bbc.com/travel/story/20200831-coronavirus-will-you-need-an-immunity-passport-to-travel

Sure it’s a bit of a “no way that can happen” idea right now but covid has already changed so much in the world (in terms of our freedoms and liberties) that you’d be stupid to rule this out completely.

 

[Gabbar Singh]

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For example, just read that proof of meningitis vaccination is required to take part in Hajj. What if Saudi Arabia and others do the same for covid?

https://www.saudiembassy.net/hajj-and-umrah-health-requirements

 

[shaz619]

To the idiots taking the moral high ground, you are criticising others for their views on a vaccine simply because you are willing to take it blindly which I find hilarious, while initial findings are positive there is no conclusive evidence that we have a vaccine which can not only tackle the virus but is also safe. This sort of hypocricy I only expect from those inbreds who have posters of Boris and Theresa May in their bedroom and those individuals who also happen to advocate the reintegration of child rapists back into society

 

[Third_Umpire]

Why you haven’t been admitted to an elite medical school is beyond me.

Any data to back up your claims?

+1. We seem to have modern medical geniuses amidst us who know better than what scientists who go through several rounds of clinical trials can know.

That we don’t have a cure for cancer is our fault; we just haven’t asked the right people.

 

[Robert]

To the idiots taking the moral high ground, you are criticising others for their views on a vaccine simply because you are willing to take it blindly which I find hilarious, while initial findings are positive there is no conclusive evidence that we have a vaccine which can not only tackle the virus but is also safe. This sort of hypocricy I only expect from those inbreds who have posters of Boris and Theresa May in their bedroom and those individuals who also happen to advocate the reintegration of child rapists back into society

That’s rather nasty and underhand of you. You’re better than this.

Vaccination has been a boon to humanity, massively reducing infant mortality, increasing lifespan and preventing people from being crippled by a trip to the swimming baths. Vaccination is safe, it has an excellent track record no matter what conspiracy theorists claim. They should take a science degree and become informed before commenting.